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    Good job! Garcon? 35 pounds of your finest buttah, s'il vous plait.

    Utah beats on bikes. My Tas/ETA rod came apart resulting in a tapping in my fork, my fork oil was ancient and the color and smell of the La Brea tar pits, my headset seemed to want to come loose often, both my hubs had play, I had partially torn-off knobs flapping in the breeze on my front tire, and my drivetrain was totally worn out and dipped in dust. Yes, I admit that I had done NO work on my bike prior to Utah since I figured it would all need an overhaul afterwards anyway, but things were getting grim by the end.

    I stripped the frame down to the smallest piece. All the pivots were taken apart, shafts swapped around, greased-up and loctited-down. BB out and greased, rings off, cleaned, and reinstalled with loctite, cassette and chain cleaned and lubed (I don't have a spare drivetrain just yet). Hubs totally broken down and overhauled. I changed the oil in the fork and fixed the ETA/TAS rod. It all went back together nicely, and then just sat there.

    The weather has been crap since I got home and since Barny is sans a bike right now, I have been trail running with her instead. I was probably mourning leaving Utah and did not want to ride in the rain just yet.

    Today I put an Easton Vice stem on for some token new-parts-motivation, Barny is out of town for the weekend, and while it is very wet out, the rain stopped for a few hours so out I went for a ride. HOLY FREAKING COW! It's like having a brand new bike! Pure grins on the mountain today, Up and Down. It has been said often but bears repeating, Zoke owners, change your oil! Stupid plush, scary smooth. My Z1 FR1 is still the nicest fork I have ridden. The DHX Air has come into it's own over the past two months and matches the Z1 inch for rediculously plush inch. It's like falling in love all over again.

    My loyalties drift between my 5-Spot and my 6-Pack, but right now I would not trade this bike for anything I have ever ridden, and I've ridden a few...
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    Cool, I always love the feel of a bike after an overhaul, and speaking of which mine is about due. Cables, chain, cassette. Oil in the Zoke is fresh, and feels like butter, but the rest of it could use some love. Might be needing some new meats too. And the RC could use some pushin.

    And new parts are always a good motivation to ride, and from the pictures you've posted in the past, I don't think you should need much motivation to ride, what with that purty scenery and all. Dude get out and ride this weekend, some of us aren't going to have much of a chance.

    happy trails...

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    ahmen bruthah! ride ride ride! ill get yer tail out this wekend, dont you worry.

    and cheese, no spare drivetrain? this from a man with 73 diff rotors he uses as cozys? truly hard to believe! im sure theres a entire xo group you forgot about burried under a crate of spare stems in the back room. if im wrong, ill mail ya my spare 8spd xt set op in the mornin to borrow till yer done with it. just spreadin the love pal.
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    Surprised the poo out of me too. I have about 5 spare compact chainrings in 22 and 32 sizes each, a host of 8-speed chains, a couple of 8-speed cassettes, etc, but I am dangerously low on 64/104 stuff and 9-speed junk in general. If I took all the cassettes off spare wheels and checked the wear on the extra chains laying around I could probably scrape a better looking drivetrain together than what's on the Pack presently, but until something starts sucking, I'll guess I'll ride the wheels off it.

    I have two "main" bikes and eat through about 2 drivetrains a year on each. It starts to add up...
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    so many rings, not enough spacing options.

    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I have two "main" bikes and eat through about 2 drivetrains a year on each. It starts to add up...
    wowsa! yer a freakin animal pal! dont the fish miss you with all this riding you do? got a few 175mm race lite isis cranks w/ rings i got on closeout sittin in a shop drawer. you want? im sure those will last about a day under you but the rings might go longer. yeah, im kinda light on 9 spd stuff too as ive just recently embraced it over 110 bs 8 spd stuff. these hills kick my butt! im now a compact 9spd devotee!

    just for kicks, i thought it would be cool to use some of this old crap i have layin around instead of buyin more un needed new crap. i dug and dug lookin for a way to use my 952 cranks when i found then ordered a 4 bolt 64/104 xtr spyder and a e 13 supercharger bash guard to bolt together with some almost new race lite rings for rhe SPaaNB project bike. way to use not only some spares but my noggin too! besides a stem, thats about all i HAVE to buy to get this piggy off the ground.
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    True

    Just Porcupine has cost my freinds and I a frame, 2 tires, one wheel, one helmet, a Hayes brake lever and on the last trip an XO derailer; Man a love that trail Funny one of the reasons I bought an XO is that it's rebuildable but I didn't know the parts were so expensive, the broken part was $75. So spare part to fix 2 yr old derailer or 2, X 7's?

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    I can usually get a year out of a cassette, but there is no way a chain and set of rings will go that long. Chain lube usually lasts for about 100 yards from the house. After that, water is my lube. Tis life.

    Here are current conditions:



    Here is what I have to look forward to soon:

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    Why don't you switch to trail-skiing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    IHere is what I have to look forward to soon...
    Me too... I have a whole whole winter of looking at pictures of you riding in conditions I wouldn't leave the house to get the newspaper .

    Maybe if thermals came in red
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla

    Maybe if thermals came in red
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    So that's what the weather's like up there! Man, that's pretty cold when the bike can just stand up by itself in the middle of the 'trail' like that....
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    No wonder you make such an ideal test pilot for stuff.... that's got to be brutal on parts.
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    New oil, but has anyone

    experienced an out of plumb rebound damper shaft? (insert joke here)

    From the first disassembly, the top cap has had to be convinced that it should move over enough to allow the threads to start. When it sits/stands where it wants it is about 1/4 of the area of the cap off of being where it should. Once its together, it works, but there is definitely a bind in there. I'm sure it isn't normal, but is it cause for concern?

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    Yowsa Tscheezy, now I understand why you blow up so many forks and crap. That snow kinda reminds me of South Dakota on a bad year. Haven't had that much lately though, been pretty dry, but damn cold!!
    I'll kill a chain and a cassette in a year, but I can usually pull two out of a good set of rings, I've had really good luck with the Race Face stuff. Last set I got three years out of before they started wearing out, that was almost 6000 miles, but then wee are mostly dry and dusty up here, with the occasional wet ride.

    Orangerider, definatley something I would talk to Marzocch about. They should line right up, and not bind at all.

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    It might be wet

    and it might eat your bike, but it is a beautiful place! I've always wanted to go up there.

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    hey cheese and the rest of us wet weather riders. have you ever tried rock n roll extreme in the blue bottle? the stuff is pure magic. since arriving in snowville, ive found nuthin better. its petrolium based i think, a bit messy too but if ya start with a clean drivetrain it sticks through rain, snow, hail and submersion like glue. quite possibly the perfect winter lube.
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    Yup, I've been running Rock n Roll Extreme for a couple of years now. I agree it is the best wet weather lube going. People may also now understand why brakes which don't squeal when wet are of primary concern to me.

    Clyde, the fact that the damper rod does not sit vertically could have something to do with the way the foot nut is seated at the bottom of the fork. I'd take the foot nut off, lift the whole damper out, look of unwanted debris (a metal shaving from machining) where the bottom of the rod nests in the fork lowers, and then reinstall the damper rod.
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    For what it is worth: I ran out of chain lube and just put some Dexron ATF I had laying around into a medicine dropper and it has become my main lube. Lasts for several rides (in AZ), dirty as all get out, but nicely quiets and lubes the drivechain.

    One QUART about 3 bucks. Should last my lifetime.

    I think I'm done with fancy bicycle chainlubes at 8 bucks for a little bottle. Although that Dumonde Tech smells so nice!

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    atf? lets do some math if its cool with you. more realistically, $6 for a bottle of, say krytech which will last a year and do a damn decent job of keepin things clean. $3 for a can of automotive tranny fluid which will last a lifetime acting like a glue for all that crushed granite and rock, dirt, coyote poop, etc ruining $475 woth of xt parts. yer right, stick with the car stuff. wonder how much more mileage youll get outta a tube of valvoline wheel bearing grease? not tryin to be a jerk but cummon man. wheres yer common sense? why not just lay it down in a sandy wash and heave rocks at it?
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    My answer to that is that wax based lubes don't do jack except keep your drivetrain clean.

    Oil is oil. Lightweight oil is lightweight oil. Works for me. Enjoy your squeaky drivetrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I can usually get a year out of a cassette, but there is no way a chain and set of rings will go that long.
    Do you swap between multiple chains? I've found that using two or three chains and swapping them around every 30h or so makes the whole drivetrain last way longer. Also you only need to do deep-cleaning of the chain every 90h (all three in one go).

    SRAM Power Link is a blessing when swapping around like this and they fit on Shimano chains too if that's you're prefered brand.

    We got some 4" of wet snow this weekend. Great! I was out 4h both Saturday and Sunday (no pics, it was raining/snowing both days and I did not want to soak the camera). Good times! I prefer snow in front of mud any day of the week! It just melts of and the bike is clean again, just add a little chain lube and you're good to go for the next epic! Let's just hope it stay's on reasonable amounts or trail riding get hard work!

    I'll attach some images from last winter, Swedish stylee!

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    If this happens again I'll upgrade from Nokian Extreme 296 to Freddies Revenz. In fact I intend to in any case.



    Who needs 9 spd anyway?



    That's my fluffer!



    Studded tyres recommended...



    Aaaah, clean!
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    I weighed the NEW Freddies at Interbike. Nokian put them on a huge diet!!! They went from 1250g down to about 970g! Wow. I'm going to get a set this winter for sure. I think they went away from the DH style casing to something more like the Core.

    I'm surprised you are already locked in snow. It was sunny and warm here in coastal Alaska yesterday, though the temps are threatening. That second picture is sooooo Kodiak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I weighed the NEW Freddies at Interbike. Nokian put them on a huge diet!!! They went from 1250g down to about 970g!
    Great news! Guess I'll wait another three weeks for them to reach the stores then! I was going to call around to find someone who has them in stock but almost 300 grams per tyre is well worth the wait!

    The snow... Well it's normal this time of year. It'll melt and fall again a few times during November. Then December go pitch black with almost no snow, but it'll return with a vengence around February. I just checked Google Earth and you're at 57degrees north and I'm at 60 (try "Ludvika, Sweden"). So the Gulf stream makes our climate just a tad warmer then yours despite the more northen location.

    As long as the trails are frozen and the snow stays ridable I'm happy! It's quite different to follow nordic ski trails over frozen bogs and sometimes lakes[1] (it's a narrow window when the bogs are frozen but the snow layer is to thin for skiing, don't mess with prepared ski trails). Places that can't be reached by bike in summer get both ridable and fun in winter!

    1. The lakes always freeze and I ride 'em. But not that many ski trails cross them.
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    Tscheezy:

    Your write up reminded me of my junior high days when my bikes were my life. I tore them completely down to the smallest part every few months (for no reason usually) just to make sure the grease in all the bearings was only the cleanest and choicest stuff.

    As I got more busy with other stuff, I now do this rarely to never, just addressing the stuff that needs it (squeaky wheel gets grease). Clean the chain, pump up the tires and go. Not that I wouldn't enjoy it, I just don't have the time. Luckily most bikes respond well to benign neglect.

    In your case, maintenance seems critical to any sort of forward motion.

    I was also surprised by my first visit to Moab/Goose at just how rough the trails are out there. The place has to eat lots of bikes. The local stuff is very groomed in comparison. My 5 inch XC bike seems oversuspended out here, but out there was way over it's head (except on Slickrock). It did the job, but I kept waiting for something to break.

    Thanks for the fun post, enjoy the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    My answer to that is that wax based lubes don't do jack except keep your drivetrain clean.

    Oil is oil. Lightweight oil is lightweight oil. Works for me. Enjoy your squeaky drivetrain.
    Dumonde Tech is a polymer based lube

    I can still take you on rides out here where you'll use every bit of travel and more
    We did some singletrack on mingus mtn yesterday, definite steep and rocky parts with a big pucker factor.
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