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    explain tnt and HL

    ok, before u guys start to flame me here, i just want to know the physical diference between the new tnt and the hl... as in can someone post a pic of each and show me which one is which and how are they designed diferent?
    thanx

    I did try to search this up but got no luck
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    I hate to sound harsh, but what exactly did you search for?

    I can imagine it now...

    triphop searches for "the obliquity of the ecliptic as per the HL versus TNT debate"

    "Damn, why didn't my search return any results!?1?!?"

    Seriously man, all you have to do is search for "HL and TNT" and you will get a whole slew of results showing images, pie charts, huge graphs, whatever you want. You have to look through the results though, don't just skim through the first page of search results and say "Nope, nothing here so there must be nothing on the forum about it."

    It's all about pivot location man. Seatstay vs. chainstay.

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    No, that's not phonetic
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    The diff is where the rear pivot is placed: above the rear axle on the TNT bike and below and in front of the axle on the HL...

    HL:



    TNT:



    And before you ask, "so, what difference does it make??" I will just go ahead and tell you. NONE.
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    or better yet:
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    Whats up with this?

    Check out the links in this thread for all the info you could ever want on this subject.


    This thread offers an especially thorough discussion of the subject.

    Whats up with this?

    Also, the sticky thread at the top of the forum has lots of good stuff.
    Last edited by Twister; 03-27-2006 at 04:54 PM.

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    Try the "Advanced Search" feature near the top of the screen near the large "Search" line.
    Put TNT in the Key Word window, and set it for search titles only. Set the forum to search to "Turner" And let it rip. You'll get the whole history and nearly every discussion.

    It probably won't tell you anything more than the reviews can.
    Here's a discussion that just went by earlier: thread
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    Horst Link


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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    HL -- You want this.

    TNT -- This wouldn't exist (on Turners) if Dave Turner didn't have to pay both Specialized for the HL patent and Tony Ellsworth for the ICT patent.

    No difference? You decide.
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    thanx tscheezy thats exactly what i needed
    i read every review on them, all sorts of discussion and what not, but i saw no pics like the ones i asked for... sorry if i pissed u off but i dont need smartass replies. english is not my native language and perhaps i needed some apples and $ht ok?
    again thanx... sorry for the rest of u guys and lets just call it quits here
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    sorry man. i didnt mean to get under yer skin as i thought humor was a universal language. lighten up just a bit and join in on the fun. i do gotta say i thought it was funny as hell. apples and apples.... gawd damn im a riot!
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    No, that's not phonetic
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    No worries. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdang
    HL -- You want this.

    TNT -- This wouldn't exist (on Turners) if Dave Turner didn't have to pay both Specialized for the HL patent and Tony Ellsworth for the ICT patent.

    No difference? You decide.
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    Hey Mano! I thought my post was pretty clever!

    caliente + Horst Link

    muy caliente + TNT!

    tu' comprehendo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    sorry man. i didnt mean to get under yer skin as i thought humor was a universal language. lighten up just a bit and join in on the fun. i do gotta say i thought it was funny as hell. apples and apples.... gawd damn im a riot!
    dont sweat it man... ill just say it was ONE reply that got to my nerves... ill let u figure out wich it was... the apples where a nice touch... where did the oranges go though??
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    Quote Originally Posted by PCinSC
    Homers, this round's on me...
    Umm, he asked. I answered. If it's not PC enough for you, oh well. My opinion may not be new, like all the faux bar converts'; but it's still my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdang
    Umm, he asked. I answered. If it's not PC enough for you, oh well. My opinion may not be new, like all the faux bar converts'; but it's still my opinion.
    My post was intended to be a light-hearted response to yours, but since you brought it up:

    The OP asked -
    About the physical difference between TNT and HL
    Pics of each
    How they are designed differently

    Did I miss where you answered these questions in your original post?

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    I stand corrected. My response was my giving my opinion after the other members responded. Did I need to show the differences in pics and text after TS posted his pics. That pretty much showed the difference. I was chiming in with the pro-HL response after the others stated that there is no difference between the two.
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    No, that's not phonetic
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdang
    I was chiming in with the pro-HL response after the others stated that there is no difference between the two.
    I would be curious to hear a synopsis of your time on a TNT Turner vs a Horst Turner. I am curious as to what your experience is and why it is different from what a lot of us have seen/felt, and what the circumstances of the test were.

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    Edit: nevermind Ts has it covered.

    Triphop, maybe CC's joke was lost in translation He left out the oranges as part of the joke: not apples and oranges but apples and apples.
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    someone understands my humor! thanx zilla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I would be curious to hear a synopsis of your time on a TNT Turner vs a Horst Turner. I am curious as to what your experience is and why it is different from what a lot of us have seen/felt, and what the circumstances of the test were.

    Please 'splain.
    TS, I just shot you a PM. Check it out if you want to.

    As for the OP getting all upset over some of the posts because they're insulting... Come on! Those pics were pretty darn funny, especially the hot wings from Joker. It's probably that the American humor was lost in the translation. I hope you get over your anger and enjoy them for the funny and witty posts that they are.
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    BTW... Congrats on your new ride. You'll be more than happy when you get it built and ridden!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy

    And before you ask, "so, what difference does it make??" I will just go ahead and tell you. NONE.
    Let's see. . . Tscheezy has also said that he prefers the TNT in some respects.

    He has observed that the HL extends in the rear under rear only braking but the TNT does not. When Davide long ago observed the same thing, Tscheezy ridiculed him.

    Tscheezy has also said that he can't tell any difference from the pivot placement of any design he has tried, with the exception of high forward single pivots.
    "Don't criticize what you can't understand."

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    I guess they don't have Hot Wingz in Fraunce....

    then again, can you name any comedian that ever came from there? I still don't get Marcel Marceau.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokermtb
    I guess they don't have Hot Wingz in Fraunce....

    then again, can you name any comedian that ever came from there?
    Jerry Lewis?
    Last edited by Bikezilla; 03-28-2006 at 09:56 PM.
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