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    I've got the 2010 rp23 w/ boost valve and an xv air chamber on my 2010 Diamond Back Mission 2. At recommended sag I can bottom out by rolling fast up a curb without hopping. Boost valve does nothing. Less than recommended sag equals crappy ride. I'm going to try the shim, but I won't mention it to fox if I need to take advantage of the warranty at any point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srbecker
    UPDATE: So I got out and rode with the shim (135x21x1.2) and it did the trick but not to the extend i was looking. Went home, made another shim (135x24x1.2) rode it again last night, and that did the trick. Feels great, running 15 psi lower than originally, giving me more plushness and better bottoming resistance at the end of the stroke. I bottom maybe twice during the ride, and one of those was due to a 5 ft drop onto a sloped landing. Thanks DGC!
    The great thing about the mod has been the ability to make what you need. Thicker, thinner, longer, shorter, wider etc.
    I am blown away at the success this simple mod has done for so many riders.......on any make of bike. Can be made from plastic around the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    The great thing about the mod has been the ability to make what you need. Thicker, thinner, longer, shorter, wider etc.
    I am blown away at the success this simple mod has done for so many riders.......on any make of bike. Can be made from plastic around the house.

    Hi DGC. I think I missed out on the thread of your shims and the DHX-Air. I seem to cant find it in the search here. Can you direct me to it via a link here please?

    BTW, just did this mod to my RP23. Dropped 10 psi and shock just feels soooo much better now...

    cheers bro!

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    this thread

    Quote Originally Posted by emrs0414
    Hi DGC. I think I missed out on the thread of your shims and the DHX-Air. I seem to cant find it in the search here. Can you direct me to it via a link here please?

    BTW, just did this mod to my RP23. Dropped 10 psi and shock just feels soooo much better now...

    cheers bro!
    If you go to the top of this thread which is RP23 based, you will get all you need for info. The older DHX-a shock air sleeve is basically the same as the RP. I have not looked for the original thread for some time. That started back in like......2005 or 06? I have not checked a new dhx-a.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    If you go to the top of this thread which is RP23 based, you will get all you need for info. The older DHX-a shock air sleeve is basically the same as the RP. I have not looked for the original thread for some time. That started back in like......2005 or 06? I have not checked a new dhx-a.

    Alrighty... thanks DGC... cheers.

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    Hi DGC
    Do you think I could achieve the same benefits with a RP23 installed in a 2005 Flux, if so could you help me with the numbers of the shim.
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    Hi folks,

    I have recently bought a 2011 Giant Reign 2 that uses the Fox Float RP2 w/XV sleeve & boost valve. It looks the same as the RP23 and I'm curious whether I can utilise this shim mod to reduce this typical bottoming out issue?

    Daz.

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    I also have a 2011 Reign and can say that the Boost Valve does nothing. Why do us riders have to fix a $400 shock with a $5 piece of plastic? Guess I'll try the mod this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    I also have a 2011 Reign and can say that the Boost Valve does nothing. Why do us riders have to fix a $400 shock with a $5 piece of plastic? Guess I'll try the mod this week.

    $5! WTH are you gonna use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deafwish
    Hi folks,

    I have recently bought a 2011 Giant Reign 2 that uses the Fox Float RP2 w/XV sleeve & boost valve. It looks the same as the RP23 and I'm curious whether I can utilise this shim mod to reduce this typical bottoming out issue?

    Daz.
    I am quite sure the outer sleeve is the same one as found on the RP23, so it should be fine to do the mod to.
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    Good job! plastic is free

    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    I also have a 2011 Reign and can say that the Boost Valve does nothing. Why do us riders have to fix a $400 shock with a $5 piece of plastic? Guess I'll try the mod this week.
    SIV,
    In many homes, plastic is free.........any house hold flexible plastic will work. Keep the thickness to about 1 mm. CD containers have been used by some, plastic from a bucket by others, etc.

    Does your air pressure reflect the correct sag suggested by Giant? Are you having problems with mid stroke wallow? Or is the rear shock just bottoming too easy?

    Mid stroke wallow and other related first half or so of the stroke issues could be fixed with a custom damper tune from PUSH. Just bottoming, then the shim can do the trick.

    Remember what Fox does is produce huge mass amounts of shocks for the majority of suspension bike manufacturers. Think about how many different designs there are, even small differences in very similar designs. Now, consider on the RP23 there is only 3 compression tunes and 3 rebound tunes from Fox for frame manufacturers to choose from, and maybe 3 air sleeves too? That is quite limited to choose from for the amount of demand in designs the industry has to offer. That means the Fox tune on most bikes are quite generic, and in no way custom tuned to the rider.

    Thank God there companies like PUSH to take it to the next level and offer custom tuning that the shock manufacturers don't offer.

    Just shoot for a 1mm thick by 137mm long and 23mm wide piece and see what it does for you.
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    But the boost valve still does nothing at all. That seems like a broken damper problem. I see I'm not the only one with this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taletotell
    But the boost valve still does nothing at all. That seems like a broken damper problem. I see I'm not the only one with this problem.
    I rode someones bike with 2 different RP23's, same exact shock set up, except boost valve on one, pre boost valve era on the other. I could barely tell any difference in the boost valve shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    Thank God there companies like PUSH to take it to the next level and offer custom tuning that the shock manufacturers don't offer.
    I'd be thanking Him more if PUSH broadened their horizons.
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    I have a reign2 i just recently bought and having bottoming out problem. My riding weight is around 175lbs, and i found a plastic sign at work that measure 1.4mm in thickness will this workout for this type on mod for the shock I have ( RP2 ).

    I have cut 4 different witdh( 20, 21.5, 22, & 22.5 ) already but dont really know which will work the best, usual rides i takes includes DH, some 3 to 5 feet drops.

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    Just wondering if someone already tried this upgrade on RP23 BV 2010 or 2011? Are the inside parts same? is this upgrade doable on these shocks?

    I own 2011 Cube fritzz PRO with this shock and as everybody said- bottoming problem/bad SAG again. So I definitely want to try this upgrade, but wanna know if the work gonna be same as on 09 models.

    PS: sry for my english, Im from Czech republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josefista
    Just wondering if someone already tried this upgrade on RP23 BV 2010 or 2011? Are the inside parts same? is this upgrade doable on these shocks?

    I own 2011 Cube fritzz PRO with this shock and as everybody said- bottoming problem/bad SAG again. So I definitely want to try this upgrade, but wanna know if the work gonna be same as on 09 models.

    PS: sry for my english, Im from Czech republic.
    while the internals may differ slightly due to the boost valve, the outer sleeve works the same as the previous models and should produce the same results. I may be doing a similar mod to my monarch plus when it arrives...

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    I tried a shim at 137 x 20mm and it made a significant difference to the shock's performance near it's travel limit!
    I'm now able to run a little more sag and the shock will now only bottom out from a big hit or drop.
    Thanks for the advice, fellas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josefista
    Just wondering if someone already tried this upgrade on RP23 BV 2010 or 2011? Are the inside parts same? is this upgrade doable on these shocks?

    I own 2011 Cube fritzz PRO with this shock and as everybody said- bottoming problem/bad SAG again. So I definitely want to try this upgrade, but wanna know if the work gonna be same as on 09 models.

    PS: sry for my english, Im from Czech republic.
    Yes - I'm running the 'standard' size shim on a 2010 BV RP23. Like the non-BV shocks, the BV model was blowing through its travel to easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josefista
    Just wondering if someone already tried this upgrade on RP23 BV 2010 or 2011? Are the inside parts same? is this upgrade doable on these shocks?

    I own 2011 Cube fritzz PRO with this shock and as everybody said- bottoming problem/bad SAG again. So I definitely want to try this upgrade, but wanna know if the work gonna be same as on 09 models.

    PS: sry for my english, Im from Czech republic.
    I just put a shim inside a 2011 RP23 BV. Same sized air sleeve therefore no changes as far as the shim and air sleeve are concerned.
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    Thank you for responds guys. And ofc good idea about that shim DGC. So simple and (hopefuly) effective.
    I really dont understand why so many companies give this shock on their enduro models!

    Well, I think I am going to visit this forum more often now

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    How often should a shock bottom out?
    I have only ever bottomed it once - from a big landing off stairs.
    Might the shim be too large?

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    If that is the only time you are probably set for freeride. How does it feel over small bumps?

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    It seems fine on small bumps but this is my first dual suspension bike - so I don't know otherwise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    I just put a shim inside a 2011 RP23 BV. Same sized air sleeve therefore no changes as far as the shim and air sleeve are concerned.

    I have a 2011 rp2 XV with boost valve. It bottoms out quite easily and I'm thinking of doing your thing here.

    I have a few questions though if someone can answer:

    1. Does it do the trick in the rp2 or only in the rp23?
    2. That plastic thing measuring 135mm long by 20mm wide, do we stcuk it in there with glue or something else? Or just leave it there? Wont it move or go away?
    3. Do I need to change the plastic seal to a new one when I disassemble?
    4. Will I need to add any extra oil or anything?

    I am sorry for all those stupid questions but I'm new to cycling and kind of afraid to open the suspension on my new bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by giteart
    I have a 2011 rp2 XV with boost valve. It bottoms out quite easily and I'm thinking of doing your thing here.

    I have a few questions though if someone can answer:

    1. Does it do the trick in the rp2 or only in the rp23?
    2. That plastic thing measuring 135mm long by 20mm wide, do we stcuk it in there with glue or something else? Or just leave it there? Wont it move or go away?
    3. Do I need to change the plastic seal to a new one when I disassemble?
    4. Will I need to add any extra oil or anything?

    I am sorry for all those stupid questions but I'm new to cycling and kind of afraid to open the suspension on my new bike...
    They are not stupid questions.
    RP2 should use the same air sleeves as the RP23, should fit fine. Do not glue anything, you could get glue in other places and ruin the shock, or at least kill the seals and air flow from one sleeve to the other......NO GLUE....... No need to change any seals out as long as your careful. If you measure exact, and go with say 136mm-137mm long shim, it will fit so well it will snap into place and never move. If you take the entire air sleeve off exposing the main damper body, then you may need to add some float fluid, or grease.
    But if done correctly, take off only the outer air sleeve, then there is no need to add any lube inside the inner sleeve as long as it is not needing fresh lube from lack of service, other than maybe add the slightest reassembly lube on the outer air sleeve seals located at the top and bottom of the air sleeve.

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    Thanks a million DGC.

    I cut the shim today. 135*19.5*1.35. I'll make the repair this weekend and report later.

    Hope it does the trick

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    Test Results On The Rp2 Xv 2011

    Maximum travel of the indicating rubber in the suspension is 54mm


    BEFORE SHIMING

    170psi sag 25%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 44mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 52mm

    200psi (sag 11mm) 20.3%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 35mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 48mm


    AFTER SHIMING

    170psi sag 25%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 41mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 49mm

    200psi (sag 11mm) 20.3%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 30mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 46mm


    I leave the conclusions to you.
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    My bike is a Trek Remedy 2009 with an XV can. I think the inner diameter of the air can is wider compared to an HV. Did anyone try it on an XV and what is the correct length of the plastic shim? What is a good starting point of thickness and width? I am quite heavy (95kg) and bottoming out easily when riding hard.

    Thanks alot!

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    I tried it on an XV can. The 135mm were little. I'd go with 140. Maybe start with 145 see if it fits nicely or not and cut a little at a time

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    I'm guessing this mod will work with the Fox Float R? Not 100% sure if the Float R has the high volume sleeve like the RP2 and RP23. If it does not have the high volume sleeve is this mod still worthwhile for a 250lbs Clyde?

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    Well guys? Is the shim mod not relevant to the Fox Float R since there not the HV sleeves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giteart
    Maximum travel of the indicating rubber in the suspension is 54mm


    BEFORE SHIMING

    170psi sag 25%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 44mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 52mm

    200psi (sag 11mm) 20.3%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 35mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 48mm


    AFTER SHIMING

    170psi sag 25%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 41mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 49mm

    200psi (sag 11mm) 20.3%
    Drop from 30cm--> rubber moved 30mm
    Drop from 80cm--> rubber moved 46mm


    I leave the conclusions to you.
    I think that you may find yourself happier with a standard can and more sag (closer to 30%). The bike was designed with this adjustablity in mind, why not use it?!

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    I have news about 2011 RP23 BV.
    I finally had enough courage to do this upgrade today. I took plastic from big cd box. its thiner so I cut 2,5 cm x 13,5 cm. What a surprise when I found out its not long enough to fit corectly. After that I tried lenghts until it fits, final lenght was exactly 15 cm. I dont know if its because I have 200 mm shock or its because of BV. So its just info for owners of new models that you might need 15 cm long shim instead of 13,5 cm.
    Result: as graph on first page shows- results are great. At last I have proper SAG (twice bigger) and I don't bottom out. pressure 15-20 psi less than before.

    (sry for eng)
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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    I think that you may find yourself happier with a standard can and more sag (closer to 30%). The bike was designed with this adjustablity in mind, why not use it?!

    Dave

    You might be right but im in no mood and dont care that much to search and change the rear suspension at this time.

    Anyway i was thinking that FOX promotes the XV or the XXV large chambers as something good. Then us by shiming it and reducing the volume is like we undo the large volume...

    It seems like a paradox to me but it kinda works well in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonypete
    Well guys? Is the shim mod not relevant to the Fox Float R since there not the HV sleeves?

    Im guessing it will work. But its just a guess. Why not try higher pressures before shimming since you dont have a large can air volume to reduce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giteart
    You might be right but im in no mood and dont care that much to search and change the rear suspension at this time.

    Anyway i was thinking that FOX promotes the XV or the XXV large chambers as something good. Then us by shiming it and reducing the volume is like we undo the large volume...

    It seems like a paradox to me but it kinda works well in the end
    On the 5 Spot you wouldn't be undoing anything. I think it has been said a few times before in this thread, but when I designed the suspension for this bike I specifically manipulated the leverage ratio to allow for exactly the type of spring rate tunability that we are talking about here, albeit through factory FOX options, not a rider installed shim. (not that there is anything wrong with a shim IMO)

    Going into the Turner project it was no secret that the homer society is made up of more than one incessant tuner, so DT and I really wanted to accommodate that through spring rate adjustment.

    The 5Spot's dw-link is designed to work with the the standard air can (no XV sleeve at all) or the XV sleeve, or the available FOX volume reducers (exactly the same thing as adding a shim, just a factory installed option.) If you are looking for more bottom out support, go to a smaller can. If you are looking for more mid travel support, go with a bigger can. If you are looking for both, add pressure .

    Have fun!

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    I did this mod to my Fox RP23 on my Santa Cruz Butcher yesterday and road it today. All I can say is that it works and didn't cost me anything. I used a 138x27mm shim as my XV can was a lot bigger than the one on the 5 spot. I cut a few shims but I think I have got it right the first time.
    I am now running 10psi less in the shock and it feels good over the small bumps but it ramps up nicely now towards the end of the stroke and not bottoming out it sections that it shouldn't.
    Here's a tip I was struggling to find the right thickness of plastic for the shim and in the end I cut up a old water bottle witch was about 1.3mm and already curved so it sat in the can really well.
    Cheers DGC for putting it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzer
    I did this mod to my Fox RP23 on my Santa Cruz Butcher yesterday and road it today. All I can say is that it works and didn't cost me anything. I used a 138x27mm shim as my XV can was a lot bigger than the one on the 5 spot. I cut a few shims but I think I have got it right the first time.
    I am now running 10psi less in the shock and it feels good over the small bumps but it ramps up nicely now towards the end of the stroke and not bottoming out it sections that it shouldn't.
    Here's a tip I was struggling to find the right thickness of plastic for the shim and in the end I cut up a old water bottle witch was about 1.3mm and already curved so it sat in the can really well.
    Cheers DGC for putting it up!
    Good to hear it came out well for you. Sounds like a good use for old waterbottles, good thinking.
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    yes. now i have something i can do to my dhx air!
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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw View Post
    Going into the Turner project it was no secret that the homer society is made up of more than one incessant tuner, so DT and I really wanted to accommodate that through spring rate adjustment.

    More than one? I'd say based on this thread, more than one hundred! Nice work on the stock shock spec sir (if there are ~10,000 out there running w/ out shims) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Willanholly View Post
    Bloody hell, look what they are charging! DGC's mod cost a few pennies. Fox is charging $25!

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    oh yeah, velcome to FOX. we are living in world where peace of plastic cost 25 bucks

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    Looks like the Fox kit will allow you to reduce the volume of the standard, low volume air sleeve, if anyone would ever want to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Bloody hell, look what they are charging! DGC's mod cost a few pennies. Fox is charging $25!
    I have been doing this mod for many years, ....just a thought, but I wonder where they got the idea from???
    Or is it, that they take 5 years to catch on to a needed change in their air shocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC View Post
    I have been doing this mod for many years, ....just a thought, but I wonder where they got the idea from???
    Or is it, that they take 5 years to catch on to a needed change in their air shocks.
    they should be giving you a large portion of the profits, like an intellectual property rights deal. maybe if you give them a call & just bring it up real polite-like & all, they'd just say,
    ya, sure, OK
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    Just picked up a 2010 Spot so have been reading through this thread.

    I like fairly linear suspension and I'm pretty light (170 all geared up). Is this something I should think about doing?

    I guess it would be easy enough to ride it for a while without the mod then consider it. Just wondering if any other lighter riders have notice much difference with this mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Just picked up a 2010 Spot so have been reading through this thread.

    I like fairly linear suspension and I'm pretty light (170 all geared up). Is this something I should think about doing?

    I guess it would be easy enough to ride it for a while without the mod then consider it. Just wondering if any other lighter riders have notice much difference with this mod.
    Ride the bike w/stock RP23 and see what you think...

    I'd plan on doing the mod. I'm a little lighter than you and had bottoming issues off any drop over 3ft with the stock RP23. Try different size shims until you find your sweet spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN View Post
    Ride the bike w/stock RP23 and see what you think...

    I'd plan on doing the mod. I'm a little lighter than you and had bottoming issues off any drop over 3ft with the stock RP23. Try different size shims until you find your sweet spot.
    x 2. I'm 150lbs after breakfast and after trialing different shims ended up with the full size DCG shim.
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