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    Dogs : Why?

    As per title, my family wants a dog. I don't see an upside. Sell me on dogs, please.

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    I grew up with dogs (and dated a few) but as a father I'm struggling to see the attraction. Bills, excrement, bad smells and the need for exercise - all things which are against my religion.

    There are quite a few pooch owners on here though so I'm sure someone will come up with a reason (ignore Trailadvent - a dog that single-handedly rescues you from a broken neck is outside the norm )

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    They won't crash your car or need to go to college....

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    You don't have to wait 18 years to get rid of them.

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    You get to go out for a walk several times a day, rain or shine. It is good for you.

    (yes, I have a dog. Not a big one but not tiny either)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfaced Shockmaster
    As per title, my family wants a dog. I don't see an upside. Sell me on dogs, please.

    Thank you.

    they are good for kids. teaches them a bit of responsibility and dogs are very loyal, depending on what you get. i've had labs all my life but after my one died when my 2nd daughter was 1 i thought that was it. kids, less time etc. unfortunately my 2nd daughter started to develope a fear of dogs so we decided a little reluctantly to get another dog as i didn't want her growing up with that fear. turned out ok. had two more daughters, less time for the dog and i started to feel bad for her. was actually looking to give her to someoe with more time on their hands. with sports and stuff we're busy almost every night. had just about come to terms on giving her to a friend when i stumbled upon golden retriever pups while at the local farm buying eggs. got a funny feeling and took home a male pup. thought i was going crazy but it was the best thing i've ever done. the dogs are awesome together. keep each other busy, i have a decent sized yard and now the guilt of two dogs means i find the time to do more with the dogs lol.

    dogs are great for kids. my third girl is a complete animal lover and spends almost all her spare time with the dogs in the yard or on her lap in the mudroom. my 2nd daughter got over her fear in a month. funny thing was the reaction to the first pup. she was 2 and her sister was 5. when they saw the pup, one kid ran screaming with excitement towards the dog while the other ran screaming in fear the opposite direction. we laugh about that all the time.

    if you're not into dogs it might not work out though. i'm a large breed dog guy and i really think dogs are good for kids. what kind of dog are you thinking about getting? get a breed that is good with kids. labs, sheperds, retrievers are great with kids.

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    They are relatively cheap and numerous, so you can use the meat for stir-fry, stew, and many things.
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    Unlike kids (legally anyway), you can lock them in a cage when you leave the house and not have to worry about the bastards.

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    Some brilliant responses, thank you. I do worry about some of your kids...

    Qbert, would need to be child-friendly - one of my children is afraid of dogs and my wife has decided that the best way to get over it is by getting one. We have some land so exercise won't be a problem but having watched friends going through this it seems that it inevitably ends up with Dad out in the rain carrying a plastic bag picking up turds while everyone else is at home by the fire.

    I guess it feels like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to solve a smallish problem that could leave us with long-term regrets.

    I think of it like marriage - get a dog in haste, repent at leisure. Anyone ever regretted it? (Dog, that is, I'm sure we all regret marriage).

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    The Dad might love the beast more than the rest do

    My only regret is that there's other things I'd like to do, too, but the time spent with the dog takes a healthy chunk of my freetime.

    ... turds ... Depending on where you live, that might not be an issue. Leaving the droppings is a no-no on pavement and manicured lawns but, if you have any relatively wild land, you can leave it there. You don't go picking after deer, rabbits, crows etc. either, do you.

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    Don't forget the dog is laughing at you every time it sees you bending over with a plastic bag after it's just taken a crap

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    I'll skip the pros/cons lists and just note that years ago I wanted NOTHING to do with owning a dog, but it became clear that my wife needed one.

    It took 6 months, but darned it that thing didn't end up worming her way into my heart. I would now say I'm a lifetime convert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfaced Shockmaster
    Some brilliant responses, thank you. I do worry about some of your kids...

    Qbert, would need to be child-friendly - one of my children is afraid of dogs and my wife has decided that the best way to get over it is by getting one. We have some land so exercise won't be a problem but having watched friends going through this it seems that it inevitably ends up with Dad out in the rain carrying a plastic bag picking up turds while everyone else is at home by the fire.

    I guess it feels like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to solve a smallish problem that could leave us with long-term regrets.

    I think of it like marriage - get a dog in haste, repent at leisure. Anyone ever regretted it? (Dog, that is, I'm sure we all regret marriage).

    as far as crap goes, it's my daughters' job. i do occasionally do it myself, not that big of a deal. i'm in the process of putting in a crap composter.

    as far as the dog just to help your daughter, that's a tough one. ultimately if you don't want a dog, then skip it. i had dogs and knew what i was getting into and always enjoyed having a dog. if it's not something you want, then just hang out with a friend with a dog to get your daughter more comfortable with dogs. it will take much longer, but you won't be regretting it later, like you would a dog purchase.

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    If yo have to ask, you probably shouldn't get one. You don't come off as an animal person.

    I must ask, have you never encountered dogs? It seems such an odd question.
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    I have never wanted a dog. Growing up my family had a small dog. I never wanted the burden and cost of owning a dog. When all my friends in college bought one, I said "Hell no" and ran the other way. I am so glad I did.
    My wife had a dog when we married. A good dog and a great companion for sure.
    The dog lived to be over 17 years old. At the end it was very difficult to deal with. It occasionally would get bouts of Vestibular disease and we would have to carry her outside and hold her up to walk etc. This would last for weeks until the dogs inner ear stabilized.
    There were times when the dog would just cr*ap in the car on road trips. We had to make her a plastic protected pen in the house for the accidents and urinary tract infections. Her intestinal tract was old and she would gas us out all the time as well.
    In those last few years she couldn't go on hikes or bike rides. Sometimes we would try to leave her in doggie care for some trips but 24hr doggie daycare is extremely expensive since our dog needed to be administered medication. Also, the occasional emergency trip to the vet was costly as well. The last time we let a friend watch her with explicit care instructions the dog destroyed our bathroom with bloody stool.
    Last year it was just too much. Her quality of life was awful and so was ours. We waited for a sunny spring day and said our goodbye's.

    Yes there are some great times and yes they are faithful till the end. And yes you will love them but there is a cost.

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    I could give a punch list, but maybe just some thoughts on my experience will help.

    Growing up we had 2 smallish dogs that were just kind of there. I always wanted a big dog but Dad was not having it.

    When we got a house, I got my big dog. Purebred Lab. Purebred is just a couple letters off of Inbred tho. The dog was a pain in the ass, puppy-hyper for his whole 12.5 years. He destroyed a kitchen cabinet. Once ate 10 Krispy Kreme donuts and an entire pan of brownies. He also became my best friend and did as many cool things as bad. When he passed, I was crushed.

    6 mos. later my daughter talked me into adopting a rescue dog that is half retriever, half chow. Handsome dog, but he has issues. He was obviously severely mistreated previously; I have invested a lot of time in the last year working thru his fear-aggression and thought about turning him back in a few times. It is work but it is also rewarding, knowing we saved a life (I know it's corny but it's true) and helping this guy become the dog you can tell he wants to be. It's weird, like kids, you can just see their excitement when they "get it" and do what they are supposed to do.

    Another benefit, both of these dogs were loyal & protective as hell. In this day & age, I like knowing I have a large animal with sharp teeth that loves my kids as much as I do.

    Good luck with whatever you decide, but if you do get one, consider a rescue dog. There are lots of groups out there that will foster dogs for awhile and can then give you a more accurate picture of the dogs personality (good with kids for example). When you take one, they can foster & save another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slomo
    Purebred Lab. ...
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    consider a rescue dog.
    One thing to note is that "purebred" dogs tend to be bred for one thing: looks.

    That has not necessarily been good for their health. If you get a "mixed breed" dog, the health issues are less likely.

    If you decide to get a dog, do read about training a dog before you have your dog/puppy. If you have no clue, you might unintentionally reinforce any undesirable behavior that may surface.

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    Dogs are a total pain in the arse. They're a lot of work and can be expensive as hell. When they pass (often too soon), they leave a gaping whole in your life......it's not for everyone. That said, I can't imagine a time in my life where we won't have dogs going forward. My wife grew up a cat person and is now a total dog convert.

    I can't believe no one's mentioned one of the obvious bennies of riding with your dogs. My dogs (unfortunately, now just dog ) really need to get exercise several times a week and I'm not just talking about walks around the block. Without it, he basically follows me from room to room - which is very annoying.

    It's meant that I often ride (or build) with my dog when the weather's less than ideal. Living in the PNW, that's pretty often. Those are days where I could just as easily sit on the couch and drink some beers instead of getting out in the woods. Of course, it also means that I've got a riding/building partner when I can't coax my buddies out with me. I've been out in the absolute worst of conditions building and they've never once complained about being wet or cold or..... On the trail, they're the best, but definitely take a LOT of training to get to be able to ride with groups, etc. The best compliment I get from riders that haven't been with my dogs on trail is that they don't even notice they're with us.

    I think if you're not 100% committed to owning a dog, you might end up regretting it and the dog will suffer, so really consider the amount of work that goes into dog ownership.

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    P.S. Our pups have always been rescues. IMO, there are too many good dogs needing a home for me to go to puppy mills. Mutts can be the best dogs, but can also be challenging as well.

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    Mine love the trail. Each breed has it's virtues. My pointer is fast, loyal and a great mountain biking dog but dominant. My pit mix is a handful as every smell must be investigated so she stops a lot, loves swimming. The best dog I ever had was a a Belgian Teruvian. Very smart, tough and extremely loyal. Had a samoyed, dumbest and most messy but pretty. The hound I had loved trail was strong, loyal but that loud bark! Labs are great but a bit slow, never macho. German shepards are very smart but rather heavy and slow for mountain biking. Teruvians/malanois (same just different coats) are similar but smaller than large shepards.
    Never hit a dog, only teaches them fear of you. Always a friendly greeting. Be aware if you get a high energy breed they need lots of exersize, more than once a day. If you live where warm a black or dark dog needs more heat protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juan_speeder
    If yo have to ask, you probably shouldn't get one. You don't come off as an animal person.

    I must ask, have you never encountered dogs? It seems such an odd question.
    As far as I know I'm mostly human. What is "an animal person"?

    Yes, I have encountered dogs in my life. And you're right, asking that was an odd question but I'm happy to answer it for you.

    Thanks for all the responses, particularly around experiences with breeds/rescue dogs, etc. Some serious pros and cons, too.

    Probably my biggest concern is that if we get a dog I'd like a biggish one as where we live is quite remote and I can see the attraction from a security perspective. However, my wife is quite houseproud and I can see an "it's me or the dog" type conversation in the future. Which may not be a bad thing, actually - I bet a dog would fart in bed less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfaced Shockmaster
    I bet a dog would fart in bed less.


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    Bandit is a 10 week old Siberian Husky. He is a bundle of energy and loves to run. Very smart and so far very loyal, loves my 10 y/o son and my 16 y/o daughter. Must be the Alpha thing, but he will not "cuddle" with me, but he will with my wife and kids. Haven't tried the biking thing with him yet but that time is coming. As I write this he is right here at my feet, out like a light, we just got back from running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfaced Shockmaster
    As per title, my family wants a dog. I don't see an upside. Sell me on dogs, please.
    Thank you.
    Dog ownership teaches valuable lessons about the selfless side of relationships. Dogs are loyal, good natured and fully dependent on their masters. Even though they are a burden, sometimes and pain in the ass, and will always require consideration in your plans. If you are generally attentive and caring, they have a short memory of your failings and will always return to your side ... perhaps the same as "forgiveness".

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    No Dogs in ya life, man ya haven't lived this is one time to listen to the family!

    And you will find out!

    Dogs are like people ya can't judge them by the cover unlike people how ever Dog is mans best friend though this is like any relationship you get what you put in!

    and unlike people giving really is the benefit ya get from a Dog, they don't expect or ask for loyalty they give it to an owner who is worthy!

    Pickin a dog is hard thing like bikes so many choices and often easy to get wrong, I let the Dog choose me, breed so many arguments but again, look at the Dog look at the owner the apple usually is vry close to the tree often find this quite funny

    For kids its best not to have a pure breed though, and Pure breeds usually cost the money, inter breeding, breeding out of natural traits etc can cause higher costs.

    Just do it and ya will wonder what ya have missed, and the kids will have one of the best friends of there life if treated well and like a dog, they are not humans, though my Dog does get too much good life better than me, but he knows hes a dog finally don;t fed them S H I T , like people if ya give em Macca's they go fat, get sick die young and have a miserable existence feed em natural with plenty of exercise and you ya kids and they will live healthier fuller lives!

    Having a dog growing up was one of the best things eva, having a dog again now is like being a kid again! Go the Dog, Dogs rule people suck,, they're are no bad dogs either just bad people!
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    Plain and simple.

    Companionship. Your dog will always love you if you treat them right.

    I've got a 70 lb white purebred Labrador and he goes with me MTB rides and really does well at keeping up. I don't have to ride slow at all, and on the descents I'll stop at trail crossings and every so often just to make sure he's still following. He loves to run trails when I ride them. It's the ultimate time for them in nature running down a trail.

    I'm on the road all the time, so I take him with me and he stays with me in hotels. I've also got an extended cab tacoma with a dog pad in the extended cab and a full dog house set up in the camper shell which he always has access to.

    I'l always have a dog in my life!

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    What you talking bout kitfaced?

    I grew up in a family that raised show german shepherds and I can't imagine myself coming home to a yard without one of these smiling faces to greet me, it chears me up to spend some time with him on the worst of days.
    If you were to get one of these guys as a young puppy you would have a family freind and protector, bike security dog, assistant babysitter and court jester.
    The big quisical look leaning to our left pic is of him today at 105 lbs and 2 years old the day before last, the couch shot was at about 3 months, the tire pic was at about a year and the quisical leaning to our right look is at 8 or 9 months and 85 lbs; interesting to look at the two quisical mug shots and see how much he's filled out in between.
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    DOG DIARY

    8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!

    9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!

    9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!

    10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!

    12:00 pm - Lunch! My favorite thing!

    1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!

    3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!

    5:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing!

    7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!

    8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with my people! My favorite thing!

    11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!


    CAT DIARY

    Day 983 of my captivity. My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

    They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength.

    The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape.In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet.

    I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly
    demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a 'good little hunter' I am. Bastards!

    There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of 'allergies.' I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

    Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow -- but at the top of the stairs. I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded.

    The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move.

    My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe... For now...




    Sounds like Jayem might be a cat person.

    Here's my two JRT's and my daughter's German Shorthair puppy. Also my daughter riding with the pups (she's preggers).
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    look up some of the health benefits to pets (dogs especially). They are even used in hospitals to help patients get better. Nursing homes to give love and affection and a few studies have shown they even help kids learn to read (kids who struggle with reading can read to the dog since the dog wont judge or correct them).

    On a personal note, i'm much calmer when chilling with my mutt. Dogs have always added a lot to my life, but as others have said, if you have to ask then you probably wont get it right away. My wife had never had a dog and wasn't sure she'd want one. Well, now she can't stop spoiling the dog rotten. Add to that the fact that any time anyone new comes to the door our dog is right between her and whomever it is. The dog does that for the neighbor's kids, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob the Wheelbuilder
    DOG DIARY

    8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!

    9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!

    9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!

    10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!

    12:00 pm - Lunch! My favorite thing!

    1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!

    3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!

    5:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing!

    7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!

    8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with my people! My favorite thing!

    11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!


    CAT DIARY

    Day 983 of my captivity. My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

    They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength.

    The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape.In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet.

    I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly
    demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a 'good little hunter' I am. Bastards!

    There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of 'allergies.' I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

    Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow -- but at the top of the stairs. I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded.

    The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move.

    My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe... For now...




    Sounds like Jayem might be a cat person.

    Here's my two JRT's and my daughter's German Shorthair puppy. Also my daughter riding with the pups (she's preggers).
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    Dogs are great.

    You don't have to throw out garbage or wash dishes if you have a dog.

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    A true quote I recently read was

    A dog is the only creature that loves you more than it loves itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob the Wheelbuilder
    DOG DIARY

    8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!

    9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!

    9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!

    10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!

    12:00 pm - Lunch! My favorite thing!

    1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!

    3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!

    5:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing!

    7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!

    8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with my people! My favorite thing!

    11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!


    CAT DIARY

    Day 983 of my captivity. My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

    They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength.

    The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape.In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet.

    I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly
    demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a 'good little hunter' I am. Bastards!

    There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of 'allergies.' I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

    Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow -- but at the top of the stairs. I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded.

    The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move.

    My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe... For now...




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    More great responses, thank you. The pro-dog Fu is strong on this board.

    A semi-serious question - how do you deal with the smell/moulting?

    Bob, great post - we used to have cats and this is so true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfaced Shockmaster
    More great responses, thank you. The pro-dog Fu is strong on this board.

    A semi-serious question - how do you deal with the smell/moulting?

    Bob, great post - we used to have cats and this is so true!
    Brush them regular, my bud Maxxis is short haired and inside with me when I'm inside night and day, no dog smell in the house car or hair though he can leave some at some seasons of the year, just regularly vacuum, but hes a very clean Dog.

    Smell is more down to diet, poor diet like people they smell, eat S H I T smell like it look like lol Dog condition is as much about what ya feed em and its not expensive if ya stick natural, only expensive if ya buy that marketed BS in a bag or can that's crap no bags canned in the wild, feed em like a wild dog and ya will have very little if any vets bills, health issues or smells!

    Great dogs piccs guys FI that boy is a stunner as is the Shepard and Bobs family haha, I do love Shepard's and also Siberian Huskys would love one but too hot here arghh

    I suggest a short haired dog and for kids a Lab X more lad like FIs sweet looking beast in white, they also come in black brown etc browns are nice, be wary of pure breeds if ya go Pure research the breeding program and breeder to bits, PURE breeds can have many issues, not that Xs can;t but ya can have a more natural dog if ya choose wisely, PBs which is what happens with over inter breeding and trying to acquire a particular look traits again for looks like someone said above.

    Some great PBs for sure, I prefer mongrels with the right mix so no nasty inter breeding issues and they are easier to cheaper to look after imo and make great pets, PBS often not always but can be very focused on one thing. If its a family dog then its a dog not a show pony. But breed is important as is the mix to fit your family unit.

    Don't be afraid to look at adopting a good dog from a shelter either, often great dogs can be found there and good with kids they are pre checked for personalty traits as well so ya know ya getting a safe dog to start with, not an abused one that may not ness be good with kids again good research ask em heaps of questions.

    With kids often best to let Dog choose them if ya can, they will one will stand out or make its home on ya foot, like mine did, note also if choosing from a pack there will already be a hierarchical leadership established withing the mini pack, often the quietest dogs can be best and easiest to train and again with kids, son;t be put off by this, I went the other way to match my personalty, and hes madder than I am so be wary of getting a dog full of beans if ya not up to matching it.

    Dogs were domesticated from wolves this is how the first dog became semi domesticated by humans after may failure with higher ranking wolfs! Just a bit of useless info

    back in the day the big boy was mine and the little one was my mums she was an ankle bitter esp if ya wee a boy or man , never bit a girl



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    I grew up with German Shepherds but have never owned a dog. All my friends have dogs so I was/am still around them constantly. It was cool how happy they were/are to see me.

    Many years ago my buddy's dog, Buck, your basic mix of whatever, loved to go cross country skiing with us. Me and my girlfriend at the time were at his house. We looked at Buck and said "you wanna go skiing with us tomorrow?" His ears perked up...he knew what we were talking about. His tail was wagging like a sumb!tch.

    Me and Kathy had just moved into a new ground level apartment. Buck and his owner Ray had never been there. The following morning, around 6am, we hear "awoooooooooooooooo" outside our window. Buck had gotten out of his yard and found our place, where he'd never been before, and was exhorting us to get up and take him skiing.
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    I can't picture not having a dog. If you like riding I'd say there is a 99% chance you will love a dog. Just something cool as **** about it. Good riding buddy too. Train the dog though. Better for them and you IMO.
    edit: For example I just did a ride. My dog found this HUGE stick and played w/ it in a lake. She got so excited w/ this thing that she tried to run w/ it all the way back to the truck (3/4 finished w/ ride) . She couldn't handle the work so i grabbed it across my bars and rode it back for her. She was looking at me like --> awesome. Back at home & tired now but she is playing w/ it in the yard. Kind of crazy but unexpected stuff like that makes a ride even more fun for me.
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    Don't know! I have alergies and still have them. My wife evn started a akc kennel! http://www.victorybullmastiffs.com/

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    To partner with a dog is an incredibly limiting commitment. Unless you want to be like many of us and believe that 1/2 to 1 hour of time is enough for a dog. When I lived with dogs I chose: 1 not to ski on the resort cause they can't go - backcountry only. 2 not to ride a mountain bike - cause its no fun to ride when you have to stop every 1/8-1/4 mile and its easy to kills dogs on rides. So I would trail run. I also needed to live somewhere where it's ok not to pick up crap. It just seems so wrong to function as a dog's toilet (but I understand the need).

    I think few people live in a place or a way that can provide a life for a dog even close to what they deserve. Imagine living a life where you only get to do something for less than 2 hours a day and the rest of the time you are locked up in a house or a yard or even a pen

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    Well, let's see...the dog will destroy your house, eat more than one of your kids, have constant vet and other expenses, crap all over the place, smell like aforementioned crap, will be constantly looking at you to do something for it, shed all over the place, be a logistical problem every time you want to go out of town. I'm not a big fan.
    whatever...

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    Having owned several hundred dogs in my life (sled dogs, labs, mutts, even a pomeranian), I know a lot more about them than bikes. My strongest advice is to make sure you get the right dog (meaning the right breed for your needs) and be committed to giving it the life they require.

    The upsides are that, if you do it right, they'll be your absolute best friend and can be one of the most rewarding experiences you'll ever have. But they do take time and energy (they are NOT a cat or a fish). If you don't put in the time and energy they need (varies by breed), you'll end up a with a total nightmare of an experience--hence all the posts above regarding chewing, crapping, etc. If you want the right dog, you should research it more than you research your bike purchases.

    All the warnings aside, I love dogs and will always own them.

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    Friday Clown Crap (a little early -- I'm going skiing tomorrow):

    Try this experiment: Lock your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car. Come back in three hours. Let me know which one is glad to see you.

    Seriously, dogs take whatever love you give them and return it X 10.
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    Here's why:



    A dog is a friend for life... even if you don't get it now, get a dog and it'll make sense.

    and this:

    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo
    Seriously, dogs take whatever love you give them and return it X 10.

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    Because a cat won't lick the peanut butter off your balls.






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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceKilla
    Because a cat won't lick the peanut butter off your balls.

    Did I go too far with this one?
    I don't think so. This seems like the best reason to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite
    Well, let's see...the dog will destroy your house, eat more than one of your kids, have constant vet and other expenses, crap all over the place, smell like aforementioned crap, will be constantly looking at you to do something for it, shed all over the place, be a logistical problem every time you want to go out of town. I'm not a big fan.
    Spoken like a typical person who knows nothing about dogs!

    Dogs aren't expensive, don't trash ya house, don't eat more than ya kids crap or smell, and logistically this shows more to me about you or the people who think this way.

    You should not have a Dog or Kids!

    All those problems are created by people, ignorance and stupid dog owners!

    Like someone said below choosing the right dog is key and yes not all people live in a place location that is suitable for a dog especially a big dog so common sense, so if this is you then I would not have a big Dog or a dog at all if I lived in an apartment for example.

    But all the neg you raise are due to people not the dog and because of this at times places can be hard to take dogs. That is also the fault of ignorant non dog people and stupid dog owners.

    None of those comments improve that situation and is no wonder its spread to people and people!

    Ignorance and stupidity go hand in hand..
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    TA, that's all well and good but I hear Maxxis gets through a lot of peanut butter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailadvent
    Spoken like a typical person who knows nothing about dogs!

    Dogs aren't expensive, don't trash ya house, don't eat more than ya kids crap or smell, and logistically this shows more to me about you or the people who think this way.

    You should not have a Dog or Kids!

    All those problems are created by people, ignorance and stupid dog owners!

    Like someone said below choosing the right dog is key and yes not all people live in a place location that is suitable for a dog especially a big dog so common sense, so if this is you then I would not have a big Dog or a dog at all if I lived in an apartment for example.

    But all the neg you raise are due to people not the dog and because of this at times places can be hard to take dogs. That is also the fault of ignorant non dog people and stupid dog owners.

    None of those comments improve that situation and is no wonder its spread to people and people!

    Ignorance and stupidity go hand in hand..
    Calling me names does not make what I said untrue.

    I would just suggest you be careful to be objective when giving advice to others about a potential dog. You cherish your dog and that's great for you, but it's not for everybody. Saying that anyone who doesn't have a successful experience with a dog is "ignorant" or "stupid" is just misleading. Dogs can be a royal pain in the @$$, and that's not debatable.

    By the way, I happen to be an excellent parent with two exceptional teenage kids...I just don't care to expend my parenting energy on a dog. For me, there's no payoff to all the time, money, and energy pets require. I'll thank you not to advise me whether "I should have kids".
    whatever...

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    My rescued Lab mix is the most loyal companion I've ever known. I'm a General Contractor and take him to work everyday. In seven years I've never had someone not want him at there house.

    He lives to ride. If I can't take him with me I have to sneek around getting my gear ready. He can tell just by my socks alone.

    My wife and daughter love him to death.

    Although. as stated above The dog must be considered when making plans.

    Just make sure you want one before you take the plunge. I know how I'd feel if someone came and rescued me from a shelter only to put me on a chain in there yard and neglect me.

    I always say I probably wont replace mine when he's gone. It's a lie........

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite
    Calling me names does not make what I said untrue.
    Yes, but being untrue does make it untrue, moron.

    Quote Originally Posted by steadite
    I would just suggest you be careful to be objective when giving advice to others about a potential dog. You cherish your dog and that's great for you, but it's not for everybody. Saying that anyone who doesn't have a successful experience with a dog is "ignorant" or "stupid" is just misleading. Dogs can be a royal pain in the @$$, and that's not debatable.
    So can kids, your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by steadite
    By the way, I happen to be an excellent parent with two exceptional teenage kids...I just don't care to expend my parenting energy on a dog. For me, there's no payoff to all the time, money, and energy pets require. I'll thank you not to advise me whether "I should have kids".
    One man's "exceptional" is another man's "special." If you can make blanket advisements about dogs, we can do the same about your kids. The internet argument v. special olympic comparison rears it's ugly head again. You may win, but you're still exceptional, special, or whatever.
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    steadite I was poking you and apologies if you feel I was calling you names personally I was calling out to people with those ignorant and uneducated ideas for that I won;t apologies as Bob said it's untrue and causes more problems for society that are totally unnecessary because humans think they have a right to everything. We don;t and mis information from people who know nothing is even worse.

    They don't lack of knowledge and stupidity are the very reasons we have so many issues and its incenses me especially towards animals let alone with people vs people!

    Bob I loved ya post above abut the cats and Dogs that was so brilliant it gets me every time I open this thread, love it
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    Gents, I hadn't meant to start a slanging match and I'm sorry that people have become upset. We've decided to wait a few months before making any decisions as if we go for it we really want it to work for both us and more importantly the dog. Watch this space.

    To try and diffuse the tension, I appear to have become famous although these guys seem to be pronouncing my name slightly wrong - perhaps I'll write to them to clarify (NSFW).

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