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    Czar Fork

    Anyone run a "regular" offset Sid on a Czar? Appears as though the frame is designed around the 51mm offset fork. Wondering if the handling would be compromised much with the Sid, which I already have. I think maybe they are 46mm or something close to that. Is that enough difference to notice? Of course, the pictures on the site show the bike with the Sid, but...

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    I use the standard offset SID a lot, have one on right now. The biggest difference I feel is in the linked turns, if you have a quick combo the second turn initiation is tougher due to the larger trail # on the 46mm off set. This is mostly a problem in tight trees where there is absolute limits to turn radii. The flip side is the bike is more stable at speed and handles chunk even better. That said, once you get used to it, it really is no big deal we just adapt to what we got when we start riding. The standard Fox has even less offset and that becomes more of a pita in tighter turns, I know you were not inquiring about Fox, but I had to throw that out. If you are looking at a 120mm fork.... 51mm all the way as the longer travel/slacker HA automatically increases trail, so starting with the 51mm makes sure you don't end up way too heavy in the front end.

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    question....i would like to run a 120 on my new Czar, and it would seem a 51mm off set is the way to go. The Sid only seems to come in the 51 in a 100mm version. Is there a Sid 120 with the 51mm. Does a Fox Float 120 have that off set. Any advice would be great
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    I have a new Sid on a hardtail that was convertible from 100-120mm. I had to buy some new internals though. I ended up going 110mm for a custom geo Ti bike. It was 51mm offset.

    I have a new Fox 32 Float 29 120mm ready to be built on my XL Czar when they become available. It's 51mm offset as well. We specified it when we ordered it.

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    i would like to stick with fox, i will look intio that avenue and ask for that off set if is available. thank you.
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    I can confirm that the Czar rides really well with the Fox 120 with the 51 mm offset. I've been riding it that way for quite awhile, with two "re-tests" of the 100 thrown in for kicks. I prefer the 120 for overall riding, but the 100 has its own strong points, and would be my choice if I used my Czar only as a dedicated race bike......which I don't.
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    Thanks for the input, DT! Good info.

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    So offset and fork length aside does anybody have opinions on Rock Shox SID vs. Fox Float?

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    Probably best for the Suspension/Fork forum, but since we're here.....I feel my SID RCT3 is night and day difference than all of my newer Fox Floats. SID gets full travel, doesn't ramp up as much, the RCT actually works and makes a noticeable difference. Maintaining them is easy (not saying the Floats are difficult) and I like the SID light weight.

    I am in the process of putting SIDs on all my bikes and parting ways with the Fox 32 Float.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    I can confirm that the Czar rides really well with the Fox 120 with the 51 mm offset. I've been riding it that way for quite awhile, with two "re-tests" of the 100 thrown in for kicks. I prefer the 120 for overall riding, but the 100 has its own strong points, and would be my choice if I used my Czar only as a dedicated race bike......which I don't.
    I believe you tried 110 as well right? You didn't keep it so guess you didn't feel it gave you the best of both worlds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    I believe you tried 110 as well right? You didn't keep it so guess you didn't feel it gave you the best of both worlds?
    110 would probably be perfect. It felt great. Unfortunately, I had to put that fork back on the Camber in order to sell it, and the new Fox forks are not that easy to change travel.

    So 120 it remains, for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    110 would probably be perfect. It felt great. Unfortunately, I had to put that fork back on the Camber in order to sell it, and the new Fox forks are not that easy to change travel.

    So 120 it remains, for me.
    Cool thanks.

    I think the part is only like $50. Next time you service the fork you could swap it in.

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    A Czar with a 120 fork is at the top of a short list for my next bike, the TB2c or Ripley being the other two. Have any of you Czar owners had any issues with the Journal Bushings. I do a lot of winter ridding in the Seattle area an I would assume the Journal bushings would hold up better that bearings. A buddy with a TB2 had rusted bearings in 4 months of riding on a new frame, which SC thought might not have been greased properly when the bike was assembled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Mason View Post
    A Czar with a 120 fork is at the top of a short list for my next bike, the TB2c or Ripley being the other two. Have any of you Czar owners had any issues with the Journal Bushings. I do a lot of winter ridding in the Seattle area an I would assume the Journal bushings would hold up better that bearings. A buddy with a TB2 had rusted bearings in 4 months of riding on a new frame, which SC thought might not have been greased properly when the bike was assembled.

    Thanks, Don
    I get at least two full seasons on the lower pivots and typically infinity on the uppers. I also live in the PNW (Hood River) but honestly don't ride that much in mud. I do, however, ride a LOT.

    I've been amazed at how much range the Czar covers with a 120 fork, for an endurance racing bike.
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    Thanks Kosmo. I don't seek out mud, avoid trails that shouldn't be ridden wet, but muddy is what you get around here… hood river is a desert by comparison I should just buy the damn bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Mason View Post
    I should just buy the damn bike!
    That's what I just did!!!

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    Very cool! Did you get a complete bike? What fork did you get. Let us know what you think when you get to ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Mason View Post
    Very cool! Did you get a complete bike? What fork did you get. Let us know what you think when you get to ride it.
    I ordered a complete bike. I ordered the Czar with the XT 2 X 10 build. Stans Crest rims on the DT 350 hubs. (I'll do carbon wheels later after my wife starts talking to me again). Fox factory fork and shock, 100 mm. The Czar demo bike that I rode for three days was sooo good that there was no need for me to experiment with 120mm. I think I'll end up at 25 pounds with XT pedals. The demo bike was 22.4 pounds with 1x11, Enve, and my pedals which is pretty cool for a size large. Oddly, I wasn't a big fan of the 1x11....too much click click click click click click click. Anyway, long answer to a short question. Can't wait to get it.

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    Re: Czar Fork

    All this talk about fork lengths and offsets got me so hot and bothered that I bought a used 46mm offset 100 sid off eBay. I'll compare it against the 51mm 120 sid on the bike and keep whichever I like more.

    Hot damn I need this snow to melt so I ride more, shop less.

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    I am looking for aluminium crown 100mm SID with 51mm offset and maxlelite/15mm axle. I can only find a WC xloc version with this. Does any of you know if I can get a non-WC version with 51mm offset and maxlite/15mm axle?
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    Czar Fork

    Trying to decide on a fork for the Czar I'm building...I'm 215lbs (of solid manliness) and thinking the Sid may be a wee noodly; anyone opting for the Revelation instead? Is the A2C longer for the 120mm from one model to the next? Any info appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    Trying to decide on a fork for the Czar I'm building...I'm 215lbs (of solid manliness) and thinking the Sid may be a wee noodly; anyone opting for the Revelation instead? Is the A2C longer for the 120mm from one model to the next? Any info appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    Trying to decide on a fork for the Czar I'm building...I'm 215lbs (of solid manliness) and thinking the Sid may be a wee noodly; anyone opting for the Revelation instead? Is the A2C longer for the 120mm from one model to the next? Any info appreciated.
    At your size, I'd opt for the Fox 120 chassis (whether you ride it at 120 or reduce the travel).

    I think you'd appreciate the extra stoutness of that chassis over the 100. At 195, I've ridden both extensively, and it is noticeable.
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    Czar Fork

    I actually looked at reducing a Pike to 120mm since it's only a +80 grams weight penalty over the Float 120...I just need to figure out the A2C's for each of the options.

    Is there any difference in the chassis between the Sid and the Revelation? Appreciate the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Castigador View Post
    I actually looked at reducing a Pike to 120mm since it's only a +80 grams weight penalty over the Float 120...
    So far I'm really digging the Pike (120mm) on my Czar but I don't have anything to compare it to. I'll try to get an A2C this evening.

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    Nice, thanks dude!

    Would love to see a side shot of the Czar/Pike combo too if you can.

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    What about the Manitou Tower Pro?

    I see the 100mm version is at Axle to Crown of 510mm with an offset of 48mm. (seems ideal)

    But, their 120mm fork may be too much for the Czar at 530mm Axle to Crown with only 48mm of offset?

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    Re: Czar Fork

    Hey guys. Can I ask a silly question.. I don't understand the headset standards.

    Is this crown race the right one for a tapered sid fork and the "Cane Creek Forty" headset that came on my Czar?
    http://www.amazon.com/Cane-Creek-110...dp/B005DUUU48/

    I've ridden my Czar a few times now with the 120mm sid, and I want to try out the 100mm sid to compare. I figure I'll buy a second Crown race rather than keep moving it.

    Once I ride both I'll report back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    Hey guys. Can I ask a silly question.. I don't understand the headset standards.

    Is this crown race the right one for a tapered sid fork and the "Cane Creek Forty" headset that came on my Czar?
    Amazon.com: Cane Creek 110-Series Crown Race 52/40: Sports & Outdoors

    I've ridden my Czar a few times now with the 120mm sid, and I want to try out the 100mm sid to compare. I figure I'll buy a second Crown race rather than keep moving it.

    Once I ride both I'll report back.


    yes..that race is the alloy one for the 110 the 41/30 is the non alloy for the 40. both will work.
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    i'm thinking of changing my sultan for a czar.... what do you think about the marzocchi corsa? it's 120 mm..
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    I have two forks for my czar, both Sid RCT3: 100mm(46 offset) and 120mm(51 offset). I thought I'd share my experience so far.

    The bike came with the 120mm. I rode it and liked it. However I bought the bike to do XC racing, so I wanted a 100mm fork so I bougth one off ebay and installed it. I loved it even more. I liked the responsiveness, overall feel, and slightly improved crotch clearance. However at this point I was riding mostly smooth trails and training for XC races.

    Since then, I've gone back to riding more challenging terrain, and trying to get better at steep descents, small drops, ugly rock gardens, etc. I installed flat pedals, a dropper post, and 2.35 tires. The final change was putting the 120 back on, and man I love it this time around. I have a whole new appreciation. I'm not the best at descending and the 120's slightly slacker head angle + dropper post makes a world of difference. The increased BB height is also nice with all the rocks/trees/crap on the trails in the north-east.

    I don't notice any problems climbing with the 120. In fact, while using the 100 I experimented raising the bars up and down, and I think that actually had more of a negative impact on climbing than the fork.

    So all that said, I'm basically stating the obvious: for smooth terrain I preferred the 100. For rougher stuff I prefer the 120. Wow, who could have guessed? For now I'm sticking with the 120.

    Full disclosure: I'm not the world's most experienced mountain biker. I'm sure people with more talent than I could bomb down stuff with either of these forks. But I'm really enjoying the 120 and I like that at any time go back to 100 + rigid post if I want a dedicated racer.

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    I'll second the Sid RCT3 100m. I have been super impressed with it. Plush, stiff, great for small bumps etc. After being on Fox forks the last few years, I really do think Rockshox is pulling ahead.

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    Turner warranty is not up to 100 mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfonsote View Post
    Turner warranty is not up to 100 mm?
    100 or 120. Both approved.

    In fact, I'm pretty sure that Turner provided the Czar with a 120 mm fork for Bike Magazine's Annual Bible of Bike Tests issue, and they loved it that way.
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    I had an X-Fusion Trace set to 120mm on my Czar and love it. Ridden it hard like like I was on my longer travel Sultan or the Spot.
    The bike is very capable going down that you might even think you're riding a longer travel bike if you don't look at your top tube reading a Czar. OK, it might be an exaggeration but the point is, this bike is another very versatile bike from Turner.
    Now to tame it a little, I slap a 100mm Lefty XLR on it. The Czar rides faster and climbs even better. It weighs 23lbs now and just loving it even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    In fact, I'm pretty sure that Turner provided the Czar with a 120 mm fork for Bike Magazine's Annual Bible of Bike Tests issue, and they loved it that way.
    Correct. I know for sure because that's the Czar I purchased..

    I have the 100 on now for some xc races, and I do find myself thinking about the 120 when the going get chunky.

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    When is someone going to slap a RS1 on a CZAR . Seems to be made for it.

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    I've considered the RS1 but there is pretty much no information on it other than the first riding impressions published around. Even the weight is unclear. Some say the published weight -1666g- is with the hub- website doesn't say. A World Cup with the 15mm axle is 1575. 1485 for a QR. I'm not really a weight weenie, but that's bigish deal if you're going to pay $600 more for it.
    Seems like RS has missed with this one. Anyone ridden one yet?

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    I’m afraid I have to disagree. The RS 1 may not be the slam dunk, triple crown, out of the park hit that XX1 is, but it is a seriously nice piece of kit. Been running one for about a month now and could not be happier. 120 mil, 46 offset. I think we will see a lot of mnfg’s using this fork as OEM on their high-end models at interbike. Maybe.

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