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    Czar Build Thread

    There are a number of them out there now, post them up!

    Bought the frame and fork through North of the Border after riding a demo back in April. First ride yesterday was awesome. Love how stable the pedaling platform is and the geometry for descending.

    Frame: Large (I am 5' 10")
    Fork: 2013 Fox Float, Kashima, 100mm, 51mm offset (bought through Turner)
    Headset: Cane Creek 110
    Stem: Thomson 90mm, 0 rise
    Seatpost: Thomson
    Seat: WTB Devo Ti
    Bars: Enve
    Shifters: XTR
    Brakes: Magura MT6, 180 Front Rotor, 160 Rear
    Grips: ODI Ruffian with Turner clamps
    Front D: XTR
    Rear D: XTR Clutch
    Chain: XTR
    Cassette: XT
    BB: Praxis - PF30 for Shimano (really happy with this choice)
    Cranks: XTR Triple
    Pedals: Time ATAC
    Wheels: Stans Arch with Stans hubs
    Tires: Conti Mountain King, Protection with Black Chili
    Cage: Lezyne
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    Looks good! I need to find out where I'm at in the queue for a large, black Czar.

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    Nice build - how do you like the mt6's? I have been using magura's for awhile but I am tempted buy the xtr's power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etanc View Post
    Nice build - how do you like the mt6's? I have been using magura's for awhile but I am tempted buy the xtr's power.
    They are getting better. After four rides they are getting stronger. The rotors were used with another brake set so it is taking some time for them to bed in with the Magura pads. I am going to give them a couple more weeks before I decide if I like them or not. If not I will be going to Shimano. You can't beat their power but the Maguras are certainly light. What model of Magura are you running? What's been your experience?

    Also... Where's all the Czar builds? You guys too busy riding?

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    I have a super long thread in the 29er forum about this but its the stock xx1 Czar with Enve xc. All I'd do is x-post a link here
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhardeman View Post
    They are getting better. After four rides they are getting stronger. The rotors were used with another brake set so it is taking some time for them to bed in with the Magura pads. I am going to give them a couple more weeks before I decide if I like them or not. If not I will be going to Shimano. You can't beat their power but the Maguras are certainly light. What model of Magura are you running? What's been your experience?

    Also... Where's all the Czar builds? You guys too busy riding?

    I have been using the Marta sl's for a long time, they are easy to work on and Magura tech support has been excellent. The modulation is outstanding but the stopping power could be better in comparison to the new Shimano's.


    Enjoy that Czar - A Czar and Flux demo will most likely result in a new frame.

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    Loving my new 2 wheeler, thanks Doug @ NOtB for talking me into it!

    My build is:

    RockShox SID RCT3 fork (normal offset)
    XX1 Drivetrain (with 168 Q Factor cranks)
    XO Trail brakes
    Stans wheels (soon to be Crank Bros Cobalt's as soon as they get the XX1 Driver for their wheels)
    Crank Bros Cobalt Stem, Bars, Seatpost, Pedals
    Chris Kink Bottom Bracket
    Cane Creek 110 Headset

    Weight with pedals and bottle cage @ just over 24 lbs. Czar Build Thread-drive-side-profile.jpg

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    I am coming off a Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon HT, so this is a dream, and outperforms on anythign but a smooth fireroad climb. Even then, i am amazed at how well the Czar does!

    I am having quite a bit of knock in the suspension, and I road another Czar yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm sure Turner will be making it right soon! Is anyone else hearing this as well? It doesn't seem to be effecting the performance, but people sure know when I am coming up behind them

    All in all, I'm a pretty stoked consumer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfn8 View Post
    I am having quite a bit of knock in the suspension, and I road another Czar yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm sure Turner will be making it right soon! Is anyone else hearing this as well? It doesn't seem to be effecting the performance, but people sure know when I am coming up behind them

    All in all, I'm a pretty stoked consumer!
    Re the suspension knock. I used a grease gun to squirt some more grease into the nipples at the BB and it solved that issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Re the suspension knock. I used a grease gun to squirt some more grease into the nipples at the BB and it solved that issue

    Thanks for the suggestion! I tried it, and rode it around the block and cycled through the travel a bunch of times. There was definately grease coming out through the other side bushings.

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    The knock is still there...
    I'll see it goes away during my next outing.

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    "I am having quite a bit of knock in the suspension, and I road another Czar yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm sure Turner will be making it right soon! Is anyone else hearing this as well? It doesn't seem to be effecting the performance, but people sure know when I am coming up behind them "




    It's probably the XX1 derailleur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfn8 View Post
    I am having quite a bit of knock in the suspension, and I road another Czar yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm sure Turner will be making it right soon! Is anyone else hearing this as well?
    Have you checked the headset and bottom bracket? Have you tried cycling the suspension with the bike in a stand? (let air out of shock) Checked the chain clearances? Is your cluster on correctly?

    Carbon acts like a megaphone for unwanted noises. When my chain slaps on a rough section it sounds like the bike snapped in two. I also had a loose headset and it sounded gawdawefull.

    Currently no knocking sounds coming from my Czar, though I am not all that sure because the I9 hub is so freakin' loud.

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    Godamn that I9 hub is starting to bug me. Otherwise the bike is perfect
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN View Post
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    "I am having quite a bit of knock in the suspension, and I road another Czar yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm sure Turner will be making it right soon! Is anyone else hearing this as well? It doesn't seem to be effecting the performance, but people sure know when I am coming up behind them "




    It's probably the XX1 derailleur.
    I've seen a number of threads about SRAM Type 2 RDs knocking, even on hardtails. Apparently regreasing the roller bearing clutch helps solve it.
    We're all on the same ship, and it's sinking.

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    Does the Czar have the ability for stealth cable routing for a dropper seatpost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG View Post
    Does the Czar have the ability for stealth cable routing for a dropper seatpost?
    Nope - routing is via mounts on underside of top tube
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    I finally received all the parts for my Czar. Black frame size large.

    Full XTR build. XTR Trail brakes and I-Spec shifters. 2014 100 MM SID RCT3 Fork.
    Race Face Next SL 2x10 26/38 cranks with RF bottom bracket.
    Eason C90 bar with Syntace stem.
    Wheels are custom built by LBS. Chinese carbon rims, Sapim carbon spokes. American Classic 225 hubs.
    Rocket Ron 2.25 tires.
    WTB Pure V saddle. Thomson Masterpiece seat post.

    22.32 Lbs.

    The Czar is incredible. I have a Tallboy Carbon which I will now be selling. I have really enjoyed the TBc but the Czar simply does everything better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfn8 View Post
    Loving my new 2 wheeler, thanks Doug @ NOtB for talking me into it!

    My build is:

    RockShox SID RCT3 fork (normal offset)
    XX1 Drivetrain (with 168 Q Factor cranks)
    XO Trail brakes
    Stans wheels (soon to be Crank Bros Cobalt's as soon as they get the XX1 Driver for their wheels)
    Crank Bros Cobalt Stem, Bars, Seatpost, Pedals
    Chris Kink Bottom Bracket
    Cane Creek 110 Headset

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    I am coming off a Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon HT, so this is a dream, and outperforms on anythign but a smooth fireroad climb. Even then, i am amazed at how well the Czar does!

    I am having quite a bit of knock in the suspension, and I road another Czar yesterday and noticed the same thing. I'm sure Turner will be making it right soon! Is anyone else hearing this as well? It doesn't seem to be effecting the performance, but people sure know when I am coming up behind them

    All in all, I'm a pretty stoked consumer!
    99% sure this is the XX1 RD and not the suspension. Known issue with them. You can lube it and it will go away for a while. No permanent fix currently. Ride faster and you won't hear it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    99% sure this is the XX1 RD and not the suspension. Known issue with them. You can lube it and it will go away for a while. No permanent fix currently. Ride faster and you won't hear it!
    Thanks SP for the suggestion, I am seeing lots of issues with this RD as well. Thankfully DT gave me some suggestions which worked for getting rid of the knock i was hearing. The 2 bolts down by the BB were dry, so I pulled them out, lubed em up with some red devil lube, and this seems to have quieted it up for now.
    Now, 200 miles later, i am getting some new creaks (similar to what i heard on the test ride bike), so the saga continues...this might be the RD since that bike had XX1 a well

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    Can anyone tell me what the size limit is for pics so I can post up the new Czar? I got them down to 37K and still would not post. Jpegs. The 2014 SID looks awesome with black stanchions on the black Czar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzydogg View Post
    Can anyone tell me what the size limit is for pics so I can post up the new Czar? I got them down to 37K and still would not post. Jpegs. The 2014 SID looks awesome with black stanchions on the black Czar.
    Some forums have issues with fileendings in capital letters, sure they are .jpg and not .JPG?

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    How is tire clearance? Webpage says 2.25 comfortably. Is this accurate? Any chance for anything bigger? Can't find any pics or discussion.

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    2.35 UST Nobby Nic on the back with room to spare.

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    Good to hear. Have an XL on order, but won't be able to build it up until the off season. Going to be a looong winter...

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    Thanks to Turner Bikes for creating such a great frame. I've been waiting a very long time to build up my ultimate XC bike.

    Bike setup:
    * Frame Size & Color: Large Czar, Clear (black uni CF)
    * Rear Shock: Fox CTD w/Kashima coat
    * Fork: RockShox SID World Cup XX
    * Brakes: Shimano XTR Race
    * Shifter: SRAM XX w/Problem Solvers Mismatch adapters
    * Cranks: SRAM X.0
    * Chainring: SRAM 38/24 w/bash
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XX
    * Pedals: Time ATAC Titan Carbon
    * Stem: Thomson X4 90mm x 10°
    * Handlebar: Easton Monkeylite XC low-rise
    * Seatpost: Thomson Masterpiece
    * Saddle: WTB Rocket V
    * Bottom Bracket: Chris King BB30, red
    * Cassette: SRAM X.0 11-36 10 speed
    * Headset: Chris King Inset 44/56, red
    * Grips: ESI Chunky
    * Front Tire: Racing Ralph 29x2.1
    * Front Rim: Enve XC
    * Front Hub: DT Swiss 240s OS w/15mm thru-axle
    * Rear Tire: Racing Ralph 29x2.1
    * Rear Rim: Enve XC
    * Rear Hub: DT Swiss 240s Centerlock

    * Future changes: Little longer stem (100mm) with zero rise, second set of wheels with wider rims and more aggressive tires

    *Rider Setup
    *Weight: 205 lbs.
    *Height: 5'10"

    The weight shown is without pedals.

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    Wow, that's an amazing build. It's crazy that you can now get a full squish 29er down to close to 23 pounds. I have a black XL on order. Hope it arrives soon. Going with Sid RCT3, building up some wheels with the Derby rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    Wow, that's an amazing build. It's crazy that you can now get a full squish 29er down to close to 23 pounds. I have a black XL on order. Hope it arrives soon. Going with Sid RCT3, building up some wheels with the Derby rims.
    Thanks. I've been acquiring the parts for the past couple of bike builds to get to this point. The thing I'm happy about is that I can feel confident that it will hold up to whatever abuse I'm capable of putting it through (which isn't much compared to a lot of people), and still be so light.

    Good call on the Derby rims. I'm thinking of building a set of those for the Sultan and setting up the Edge AM wheels that are presently on the Sultan for use on the Czar. That may be a while, since the wallet is still recovering from the beat down that it's taken from this build.

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    Exactly. You don't really have any weight weenie parts, yet still light and rugged. Jealous that you're able to ride it. I heard late fall for XLs, and by that time I'll likely be riding the fat bike. So spring it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post

    The weight shown is without pedals.
    Perfect!!

    This was mine with dropper post and pedals with almost the identical build kit. Remarkable how light these bikes can be built

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    Buddy was looking at this build thread and commented how his new Rocky Mountain Element 999RSL frame is about a pound less than the Czar. I'd talk smack to him, but he's an accomplished endurance racer and has had more bad days on the bike than I've had total days. Damn him.

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    The Czar is lightweight, but is not pushing the boundaries in terms of low frame weight. For most of us, a pound means nothing on a frame. I have not ridden a Czar yet, but I am pretty sure that pound comes in handy and is felt in the solid ride that Turners are known for.

    A frame that is really pushing is these days is the trek SF100 (sub 2kg), and from the reports I am hearing it could be stiffer. Older versions usually crack.

    I am coming from a Large Epic FSR 29 S-works (2.3ish kg), and that is one solid ride. Direct, stiff, tough. I don't think I would ride that bike any faster if it was 300 grams less.

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    Just ordered a CZAR. Very stoked about this! Probably just personal preference but I'm curious if people are building them with riser bars and stems that have some rise? I am more curious on how it might impact handling. Notice that the stock builds come with flat bars. thx for the thoughts!

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    I'm using Easton EC90 SL riser bars and a Syntace 6 degree stem to great effect. Handling is very crisp and no hand/wrist fatigue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzydogg View Post
    I'm using Easton EC90 SL riser bars and a Syntace 6 degree stem to great effect. Handling is very crisp and no hand/wrist fatigue.

    nice to hear. Seems like either way is a good choice and just comes down to preference. I am thinking I don't want to be too upright so may go flat. Maybe even invert the stem for a negative drop???

    otherwise stoked for my bike. Ordering through Chad and the good folks at Red Barn Bikes. Heard the frame may not be at the shop until later in October.

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    Just out of curiosity more than anything (I don't have my Czar frame in hand yet): I know the links and rocker are aluminum, but at the pivots are there aluminum inserts in the carbon?

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    My Czar is ordered...now it is time to sit and wait

    XX1
    Thomson Elite Stem and Seatpost
    Thomson Carbon Flat Bar
    Hope Race Evo X2 brakes with floating rotors
    Nox Composites Wheels with Industry 9 hubs (black)
    Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio Flow
    Schwalbe Rocket Ron SnakeSkin 2.25 front and rear
    Chris King Headset
    Pics soon, I hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    Just out of curiosity more than anything (I don't have my Czar frame in hand yet): I know the links and rocker are aluminum, but at the pivots are there aluminum inserts in the carbon?
    I dismantled my dw lower link and the Igus bushes appear to be pressed into an aluminium tube bonded into the carbon, which is the right way of doing it. Looks durable, the link is milled from one piece, steel thread inserts for strength. Haven't had any of the others apart yet so can't confirm but would expect the same for the main rocker.

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    Great, good to hear. Thanks

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    My Med Czar build as it sits now.

    Enve sweep bars
    Fox FIT 32 CTD
    Thomson 100 10deg Stem
    XTR pedals
    SiSl2 cranks 32 tooth xx1 ring
    King BB
    Cane Creek 110 Headset
    XX1 rear der
    Thomson masterpiece set post
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    Building my friend's up tomorrow.

    Black frame with 100mm SID RCT3, Praxis Conversion, Cane Creek hs
    Performance brand Forte Oversize stem, 100mm, 108 grams for $24!
    4ti pedals
    Whisky No. 7 740mm carbon, WCS Ergo foam grips
    XTR crank and chain, 34T WolfTooth with XX1 trigger setup
    Specialized 143 Henge ti
    2013 Roval SL wheelset
    Masterpiece post

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    Hey guys I a favour.
    Looking at my current ride, the large Czar seems to be a closer fit than the XL. I'm 6'1. Current bike (C'dale Scalpel) has a 24.3tt and I'm using a straight post with a 110stem, bar is level with saddle-which I don't like for xc racing. With the large Czar I could go with a set back post and still be in the cockpit. Can anyone post a pic of their large Czar with the saddle set at 31.5" and measure the difference between the saddle and bar height, as well as stack and reach. I've no chance to do a test ride. Thanks.

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    I have no reach and stack measurements to offer, but I'm 6'2" with short legs, long torso, and can't imagine moving down to a large frame.

    With a slammed stem, ~31" seat height, and a 6 degree negative rise stem, my bars are about 1.5" below the seat height.

    Every Turner I've owned over the years (XCE, 5 Spot, Sultan V.1, Sultan V.2, and Czar) has ridden and handled better with a straight seatpost than setback. IMO, the Czar especially, since the short stays tuck the rear wheel under you more, so you're already a bit "back" on the bike.

    Maybe the Turner guys will replace the "tbd" for reach and stack on the website soon. A reminder email probably wouldn't hurt!
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    Folks don't set their saddle fore/aft relative to the bottom bracket anymore?
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    Probably wouldn't help; my email and phone message were never returned.

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    A reminder email probably wouldn't hurt!

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    Czar Build Thread

    Frosty Czar build

    First a stick in the sand. Weight fully built.


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    Frame. Large Czar 2013 orange

    Fork. Fox Factory Series Fit CTD 100mm Kashima, 51mm

    Headset. Cane Creek 40

    Stem. Thomson x4 100mm -10 deg

    Seatpost. Thomson Masterpiece

    Seat. WTB silverado

    Bars. Ritchey WCS Carbon flat sweep

    Shifter. SRAM Gripshift 10 speed

    Brakes. Formula R1 racing 160 formula rotors

    Grips. SRAM Gripshift and eSi chunky

    Rear d. SRAM X0 10 spd, mid cage

    Chain. Dura Ace 10 speed

    Cassette. Shimano 11-36 XTR

    BB. Chris King PF30

    Crankset. SRAM X01 32, 175mm

    Pedals. Time ATAC carbon Ti

    Wheels. Stans Crest

    Tires. Specialized Fast Trax 2.0 s-work rear, 2.2 control Front, both tubeless with 1.5 cups so stans in each

    Cage. King Ti

    Other. Hope seat collar. Carbon headset spacer. Self amalgamating stay tape, E.13 xcx direct mount chain guard.



    I will post pictures soon. This bike will easily be sub 23 lbs if I trim the brake cables, go s-works fast track front, less stans, and ditch the chain guard (will when I get a XO clutch rear d).

    First big ride later today. First round the block impressions are that it is a tight build, routing etc is very nice. Feels smaller than my large Sultan. Will likely lower stem height. The suspension is will balanced. The rear feels very stiff. As does bb.

    Only thing that bugged me in the build was the cranks. The preload dial seems hard to set. It did not seem to clearly move in or out. Almost like it was threaded. I wound it out. The tried to spin it in and it seem to grab. Anyway I set it where I best thought I could but it isn't clear I have a perfect set crank. Hmmm....

    Love the Cane creek forty hs and the Chirs King BB is superior. The Fox forks seem to be lower quality than past years and models. Lots of sticktion as well. Are they made in Asia now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldass View Post
    The Fox forks seem to be lower quality than past years and models. Lots of sticktion as well. Are they made in Asia now?
    That bike, at that weight, will leave you no excuses but yourself. For me, a sometimes scary thought!

    I've had both a new Fox 100 and 120 on my Czar. The 100 was beautiful out of the box. Butter. The 120 was sticky. Turned out that the foam donuts beneath the caps were bone dry. Lubed them up with fork oil, and butter was had again.

    I've been a Fox fan for a long time, but have now gone from getting about 6 months from a crown assembly before the legs start creaking in the crown to less than 3 months. Fox has always taken care of this, but it is getting tiresome.

    But I do ride a lot, and I weigh 195, so I kind of understand this with the 32 mm forks, but I just sent back my first 34 with the same problem.............
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    Kosmo yeah it is light for a SF 29er. It is lighter than my Yeti Big Top hard tail. Think I'll be selling that with this in the shed.

    I have dripped some of the fox blue oil on the stanchions and cycled. It is working and freeing up. Still think the quality is average for a top end fork. Decals even are poor quality.

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    Still think the quality is average for a top end fork. Decals even are poor quality.
    Agreed, but you really need to pop the rubber covers up in order to saturate those (IMO) cheesy foam donuts.
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    Agreed, but you really need to pop the rubber covers up in order to saturate those (IMO) cheesy foam donuts.
    Thanks will do that now.

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    My Czar arrived today!




    XX1
    Thomson bar, stem, seatpost
    Hope Race Evo X2 brakes with floating rotors
    Nox Composites wheels with I9 hubs
    Rocket Ron Snakeskin front and rear
    Fox 100 CTD remote 51mm fork
    ESI chunky grips
    Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio Flow saddle

    23 lbs. 11oz

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    Put some air in that rear tire and go ride.

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    Having an issue with the rear tire. Air is escaping at the valve base. Going to pull the tire off and inspect the tape . I have tried two different valves, already.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    Having an issue with the rear tire. Air is escaping at the valve base. Going to pull the tire off and inspect the tape . I have tried two different valves, already. ]

    I find if this is the issue the valve hole in the tubeless tape is the problem. You likely have to re-tape and make a new cleaner hole.

    Your bike looks great. I'm engrossed in mine right now. Have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldass View Post
    I find if this is the issue the valve hole in the tubeless tape is the problem. You likely have to re-tape and make a new cleaner hole.

    Your bike looks great. I'm engrossed in mine right now. Have fun.
    Thanks, I will give that a try. Hoping to get a couple good rides in this weekend.


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    Yep, my tape around the valve hole is always the culprit. I retape and make two small diagonal slits to form a tiny X which allows the valve stem to fit through super snug. I may even put some silicon around the valve stem, but the last 4 sets haven't needed it. Then I firmly tighten the valve stem nut; in the past I've really wrenched on it and that created a leak in the tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    Yep, my tape around the valve hole is always the culprit. I retape and make two small diagonal slits to form a tiny X which allows the valve stem to fit through super snug. I may even put some silicon around the valve stem, but the last 4 sets haven't needed it. Then I firmly tighten the valve stem nut; in the past I've really wrenched on it and that created a leak in the tape.
    Yes, it was the tape. Thanks! Ready to ride this weekend.


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    these bikes are looking sick! Good work guys. I've got 750 miles on mine now, and it still amazes me. This bike absolutely rips, leaving no excuses except the motor

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    First ride on the Czar today. Still getting the position dialed in.... But, wow! Awesome bike. I was riding a Scalpel 29er that was over a pound lighter, but the Czar seems to accelerate quicker. The Czar scoots . First time riding XX1, as well. So far I am really happy. May cut the bars down a bit (currently 730mm ). Pleased with the whole build.


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    Hey mnyquist, I'm currently on a scalpel as well and have been drooling over the Czar since it was announced. Scalpel was a moderate upgrade over my TNT sultan-in regards to climbing and tight fast XC type stuff, but scalpel needs 100% attention going downhill. Had the 2nd gen Sultan but it didn't fit the role I wanted it to-crossing my fingers something fresh is coming next year. What size scalpel were you riding and what size Czar are you on now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesinmud View Post
    Hey mnyquist, I'm currently on a scalpel as well and have been drooling over the Czar since it was announced. Scalpel was a moderate upgrade over my TNT sultan-in regards to climbing and tight fast XC type stuff, but scalpel needs 100% attention going downhill. Had the 2nd gen Sultan but it didn't fit the role I wanted it to-crossing my fingers something fresh is coming next year. What size scalpel were you riding and what size Czar are you on now?
    I rode a medium Scalpel and am on a medium Czar. Using a 90mm Thomson 10 degree stem ( upside down). I always felt comfortable on the Scalpel, but it did require attention downhill.


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    I have had a half dozen rides so far and have been tweaking the whole time. A few creaks and noises. Here are my top issues, tweaks...

    1. Fox fork was sticking. Seals were almost impossible to slide up. Foam was bone dry. I ended up removing the lowers and doing a full service. Fox have lost the plot. Poor form supplying a fork so poorly prepped. Real disappointing.

    2. All the Czar pivots needed checking. The DW link bolts were set really lightly. About 5nm. One bearing seal was mis installed. I fixed the issue,reset the bolts at 15nm and greased. Poor prepping Turner. Poor QA.

    3. Ti headset compression bolt kept creaking. Gave up on it and went back to the standard cane creek bolt. Better.

    4. The Stans Crest wheels seem too flexible for such a stiff fame. Am buying new American Classic Wide Lightning anyway.

    5. Fox forks are too flexible as well. Rotor rub when out of the saddle. Did I say Fox has lost the plot.

    6. Super ride and more but more tweaking on any bike I have built up in the last ten years. Very sensitive. Compared to my sultan an effort to get set.

    7. X01 crank preload still makes no sense. I think it is set and preloaded but who and how would you know. Obvious first generation product.


    So I love the Czar but there is much to consider to get setup trouble free. I am still not sure I have settled the creaks and snaps but hope so. Far from an easy build, compounded by the obvious drop in Fox fork quality. The seals were so tight cause the assembly was so dry and the fork poorly assembled. Dry seals and foam wipers. Doubt the oil level was correct.

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    Four days and four rides on my Czar and here are a few thoughts (all rides were pretty short, roughly an hour):

    1. Nox Composites rims and I9 hubs: Spin up nicely, plenty stiff, set up tubeless easy (once I fixed the split tape on the rear), Loud-but not bothersome
    2. Hope Race Evo X2 brakes: quiet, nice modulation, look beautiful, lever feels nice, not super powerful-but they are not a limitation
    3. Descending on the Czar: after riding a Scalpel 29er for a year (and a flash 29er before that), the Czar descends awesome! I can sit on descents that I would be standing on my previous bikes. I took poor lines today on purpose, and the Czar handled them really well.
    4. Climbing: the Czar climbs on par with my Scalpel (the Scalpel was 22lbs, 6oz, Czar is 23lbs, 11oz.) This is a testament to the Czar as the Scalpel was 2x10 and lighter.
    5. Pedaling: this bike pedals great. DW link works.
    6. XX1: Quiet. I am running a 32 tooth front right now. I may be switching to a 34, as we do not have much climbing in Southeast Michigan (just some short climbs.) Didn't feel like I was holding my riding buddies back today (both of them have SRAM XX.)
    7. Wide bars: I am using the Thomson Carbon Flat bars (730mm.) I have not cut them down, yet. I was a wide bar holdout. My Scalpel had 590mm Easton Flat Bars. I am going to keep the thomsons at full width for a couple weeks. After two rides I started to like them. I notice the width in the tight and twisty stuff, but I might get used to that. i am thinking I may cut them to 700 or 680.

    The other parts on the bike are parts I am familiar with (Rocket Ron SnakeSkin, ESI grips, pedals)

    I, admittedly, was a bit of a weight weenie for the past couple years. I may still be conscious of weight, but I am on the road to recovery. When I started looking into the Czar, I was looking for a bike that was built for long rides, short hard rides, comfort, efficiency, and durability. All early indications are that this bike is going to achieve all of the above. What a fun bike.

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    An update on my build. Stiffer wheels noises eliminated.

    I have replaced the Crest wheelset with a set of Specialized Roval carbons. Wow what a change in ride quality. The stiff Czar was just too much for the light alloy Crests. Perhaps I have gained weight as well. The Rovals have stiffened things up considerably and match the Czar perfectly. This frame suits stiffer wheels.

    The Rovals came with a bag of wheel adapters. The tubeless strips were nicely installed with valves. Tires inflated with a cup of Stans. A bit of a leak at the valve but this sealed in ten seconds of shaking the wheel. Pumped to 45 psi. Then let down to about 30. Using Specialized Fast track tires so no surprise that they worked fine. The width increase is really noticeable over the crests. Should be able to run lower pressure.

    The last little creak or occasional ping I had was from the Hope seat collar. Swapped for the supplied OEM Turner one. The Hope collar never gave me an issue on the Sultan. Guess it must have set itself to that bike cause it was not a happy part on the new Czar. Seems too loose or soft. Oh well. Did apply carbon grease on the Seatpost.

    Lessened learned is that a new build sometimes needs some new parts. Starting to make the Turner built bikes seem better value.

    So now I have a a noise free bike. Smooth suspension. All that is left is to trim the Formula brake lines. Just need an olive. Then a bleed. Still about 23lbs the Rovals didn't save on the crests. A wash I would say.

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    Build Thread RULES! great to read about your set ups and how you will use your new bikes.

    Please put a photo of your bike, side view, close cropped, on the post. Not some arty angles, just straight on side view.
    Thanks!

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    Here is mine. Stopped on the trail to make some saddle adjustments.


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    Here you are Mr. Turner. One 23lb Czar. E.13 to go once I buy a type 2 rear d.

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    Amazing the differences in the orange color between pics! Which one is more realistic?

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    Mine. In real life way more burnt orange than bright.

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    I thought I had eliminated an annoying ping, pop, that was occurring through the frame when loading the rear suspension or the front when seated. It sounded like the headset. But I knew it was likely seatpost or saddle related.

    I completely disassembled the headset. Checked the top and bottom cups were seated fully, checked the crown race. Re greased and assembled. All tight, all smooth.

    My Thomson masterpiece post has a few years on it so I cleaned and checked the bolts.

    I had previously greased the post and frame with carbon assembly compound. I had swapped the clamp so ruled out this area. But.

    An observation is that the slip fit of the post into frame is pretty loose. The clamp has to be really tight to hold the post. The post noticeably wobbles in the seat tube.

    I had a Ritchey post on hand so thought I'd give that a try. It was longer at 400mm and brand new. With a liberal amount of carbon grease and a greased and tight seat clamp the ping and pop seems to have gone.

    I'll see how it goes after a ride, which will be the real test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Build Thread RULES! great to read about your set ups and how you will use your new bikes.

    Please put a photo of your bike, side view, close cropped, on the post. Not some arty angles, just straight on side view.
    Thanks!

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    Ok a few XC hours on some bouncy single track and I'm happy to say the seat post ping and pop has been eliminated. Took about 8nm on the clamp. I think the assembly paste on the clamp itself also helped.

    I'm going to try some fresh carbon installation grease - my tube is Scott brand and ancient. It seems to get worked out of the way pretty quickly. I'll buy some finish line or park today.

    Be interested to know what other have had to set their seatpost clamps at? What torque?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldass View Post

    Be interested to know what other have had to set their seatpost clamps at? What torque?

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    Same as always. Torque till it strips then back off 1/4 turn
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    I like torquing until the "crack" or "pop" is heard, then running inside with greasy hands to post scathing threads about poor QC in at least 3 forums (Turner, 29 Bikes and Passion) before contacting Turner with a Just Riding Along story.

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    Same as always. Torque till it strips then back off 1/4 turn

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    Here ya go DT

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    You guys are killing me....

    I have reinstalled the Thomson masterpiece with finish line fiber grease. It is clear and has more substantial filler than the old Scott stuff. Can't make a creak or pop in when shed. I'll see how it goes on a ride.

    I worked out my X01 crankset preload issues. The preload spacer was on backwards. Didn't check it out of the box. Lesson learned. It now works correctly. Make sure against the crank when installing. Tighten the drive side, wack with a rubber mallet to push left, dial the inner preload ring until it contacts the BB, then dial the outer ring out to set and set the 2mm screw.

    I am very impressed with the Chris King PF30 BB. I also purchased the grease purge tool. It is so easy to use to replenish and purge grease in the bearings. Then cups set tight and with the ability to service the bearings like Turner bushes. It cost more but I think payback will be worth it. It is already smooth and totally noise free.

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    Going to try the Specialized S-Works crank arms. Local shop has a demo set of arms at a "get it outta here" price with XX spider and it's already set up to accept my CNC'd XX1-compatible ring.

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    This ain't no Bolshevik...

    Really diggin' this. Built it up to be a bit more of an all-rounder rather than pure XC. So far, so good.

    Bike setup:
    * Frame Size & Color: Large Czar, Orange
    * Rear Shock: Fox CTD w/Kashima coat
    * Fork: RockShox Revelation, 120mm, 51mm offset
    * Brakes: Shimano XTR Trail
    * Shifter: SRAM XX1
    * Cranks: SRAM XX1
    * Chainring: SRAM 30T
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XX1
    * Pedals: Shimano XTR
    * Stem: Thomson X4 80mm x 0°
    * Handlebar: Thomson Flat Carbon, 730mm
    * Seatpost: Thomson
    * Saddle: WTB Rocket V
    * Bottom Bracket: Chris King PF30
    * Cassette: SRAM XX1
    * Headset: Chris King Inset 44/56
    * Grips: Ergon GA1
    * Front Tire: Nobby Nic 29x2.25
    * Front Rim: Stan's Crest
    * Front Hub: Hope Pro II, Black
    * Rear Tire: Racing Ralph 29x2.25
    * Rear Rim: Stan's Crest
    * Rear Hub: Hope Pro II Evo 142, Black
    * Weight as pictured: 24lbs 12oz

    *Rider Setup
    *Weight: 160 lbs.
    *Height: 5'10"
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    Your front wheel looks like a 26"!

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    Near Avimor outside Boise?
    *just peaked at your profile....indeed it is.
    Where'd you get the frame from? At 160 you don't find the Crest rims super flexy?

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    At 160 I dont find Crests to be bad at all
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    Yes, this is near Avimor outside Boise.
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    I've not found the Crests to be too flexy. This is my 2nd set of 29'r Crests and I've been pleasantly pleased with how durable and stiff they are.

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    Mind me asking why you didn't get the frame local in Boise? I didn't either. Two of my riding buds got their Czar through RB but mine was ordered elsewhere.

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    Hi

    I am considering the Czar and therefore read this thread. I have seen other comparable modern XC frame geometries spec'ed with 70mm short stems (for example BMC fourstroke fs01 on all frame sizes) instead of 100mm as I see most of you are using. Have any of you went for a longer/larger frame and shorter stem and what did you think about it? Furthermore, do any of you know where to find the stack and reach of the frame sizes?

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    For the Czar, I run a 90mm stem at -6 with one small spacer and a 740mm wide carbon bar. The stem and drop were done by a trusted bike fit using Retul. Frame is large, I'm 5'10" with 32" inseam and running 175mm cranks and a seat height of 72.8 with flexibility most would call "really, you're unable to touch your toes?" My 29 HT is set up identical, or damn close, and I can't believe I rode all those years with my saddle higher, further back with a longer stem. I purchased the Czar without a test ride because the geometry was near identical to my other bike; stack and reach were the important numbers as you know.

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    Curious about this myself. I would prefer to run a 70mm stem, but I am 5'11 and like a long top tube, so I might be SOL.
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    I am considering the Czar and therefore read this thread. I have seen other comparable modern XC frame geometries spec'ed with 70mm short stems (for example BMC fourstroke fs01 on all frame sizes) instead of 100mm as I see most of you are using. Have any of you went for a longer/larger frame and shorter stem and what did you think about it? Furthermore, do any of you know where to find the stack and reach of the frame sizes?
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    A lot of variables, but generally speaking with a racier bike like the Czar people will tend to run a longer stem - bit better for climbing, will get your weight a bit more forward. On a trail oriented bike a shorter stem is more common. With geometries in general getting slacker, I think this is why you are seeing shorter and shorter stems. I do like the feel of a 60mm stem with a wide bar (780) on my "do everything" bike - 29 HT. With the Czar I think I will run a 700 bar with a 80 or 90 mm stem - so a bit of a compromise.

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    Sorry - kind of realized I answered a question no one asked. But still explains why you might benefit from a longer stem on the Czar. It also seems that more and more you are seeing people favoring a slightly longer stem on a shorter frame (to combat the size of a 29er in general). See the reasoning Ibis provides for there sizing on the Ripley. Makes some sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    A lot of variables, but generally speaking with a racier bike like the Czar people will tend to run a longer stem - bit better for climbing, will get your weight a bit more forward. On a trail oriented bike a shorter stem is more common. With geometries in general getting slacker, I think this is why you are seeing shorter and shorter stems. I do like the feel of a 60mm stem with a wide bar (780) on my "do everything" bike - 29 HT. With the Czar I think I will run a 700 bar with a 80 or 90 mm stem - so a bit of a compromise.

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    Thank for you reply. David Turner posted the reach and stack for M, L, and XL. Seems like the turner sizing M, L and XL corresponds to S, M and L for many other brands.

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    It is getting closer to being done!
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    Nice ride! What kind of wheels are those?

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    Derby rims. I thought I would try some wide carbon hoops and see how they ride.

    Home, wide rims, carbon fiber rims, mountain bike rims

    Thanks hope to trim fork and take it for a ride sometime this week.
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    Nice looking bike. I just finished building up some derby rims for my incoming Czar. Very happy with how they turned out. How were they to set up tubeless?

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    Tubeless went well. I used gorilla tape and two scoops of stans and a air compressor. So far so good, except for the valve stems I got from ENVE are horrible, will replace with stans as soon as I can.
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    You might also want to check out the American Classic valves. I know it sounds weird to be fussy about a valve, but I've never been too keen on the Stan's -prone to leaking. The AC ones are really good and solid.

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    I have had AC valves breaking, I like stans much more. Looks nice with the rims!

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    Ken Dobson - what size is the frame?

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    What q-factor can be used for the frame?

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    Thanks. What did your rims weigh in at?
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    Derby rims. I thought I would try some wide carbon hoops and see how they ride.

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    Thanks hope to trim fork and take it for a ride sometime this week.
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    dickie its a med, im 5'9" and have a 31" inseam. Might be tmi but those are the details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgammel View Post
    What q-factor can be used for the frame?
    Qfactor is 166mm
    "And I shout that your all fakes and you should have seen the look on your face"

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