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    Convert your Kenda Nevegal from zero to HERO!

    I've been getting a few personal messages from people asking about the Nevegal mod I mentioned in a thread.

    This post shows you an awesome knob removal modification that can be done to the Kenda Nevegal to increase its cornering traction on loose surfaces.

    So far I have only done the front tire, with mind blowing results. Simply put, my modified 2.35 Kevlar Nevegal out corners both types (3c and 42a) of 2.5 DH Minions I've been running for a couple of years. Can you say laser-guided-rail-system? I was holding on for dear life my last ride. In fact it's cornering so hard now, that I have super high pressure scratches in my top tube from my leg armor, that were never there before in a year of riding the frame.

    I suggest maybe trying to remove every other knob to start and see how that feels. I went straight for all of them, so I have no idea what it would feel like if 50% of them were left on.

    Couple of reasons I think it is worth while to try this:
    - Nevegals can be bought cheap.
    - Not only are you increasing cornering traction, but making it roll faster.
    - Better mud shedding.
    - It's considerably lighter than stock.

    It might be important to note that the frame (Giant Reign X1) has a 67 degree HA and 32mm wide rims. I would imagine using a narrow rim with the same size tire and cutting the knobs would result in washing out because the outside knobs are folded out too far.

    Your mileage may vary.
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    This is the best tool to use for removing knobs. Took me about 1 hour to do 1 tire.
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    Nice tire mod. I wouldn't think a gap that big would work so well.

    I guessing turns require a decent lean for hook up?

    What kind of dirt are you riding?

    Time to take a peek at the tire pile with wandering eyes. lol.

    Also let us know how the side knobs hold up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P
    Nice tire mod. I wouldn't think a gap that big would work so well.

    I guessing turns require a decent lean for hook up?

    What kind of dirt are you riding?

    Time to take a peek at the tire pile with wandering eyes. lol.

    Also let us know how the side knobs hold up.

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    Honestly, I don't notice any drift at all before the knobs hook up. I'm running 30 psi now. That is why I mentioned the rim width though, as a narrower rim would take longer to hook up on the outside knobs. It's still better than stock though. In stock form they never really do "hook up" at all and always want to ride upright and in straight lines.

    If this tire can last more than 6 month on the front with no excessive wear, then I'm sold. I can REALLY notice the increased speed though.

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    Steve Peat ran his Nevs similar to this, except he only removed every other transition knob instead of both. I've tried his mod, worked well, may have to give this a try as well. thanks.

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    So you make a Highroller/ADvantage out of a Nevegal? Great mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_
    So you make a Highroller/ADvantage out of a Nevegal? Great mod.

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    I say it actually rides like a mix between a Minion and HighRoller.

    I personally like the Sitck-e rubber more than super tacky or 3C. The problem with the Kenda was just in the tread profile itself. Even Eric Carter mentioned somewhere I read once that the Nevegal was designed to be cut for different uses.

    If I rode more hard surfaces I would go with every other knob, but I ride in loose crap everywhere in the PNW.

    I might try every other one in the rear to see how much speed I gain, but I would be losing a lot of that stupidly amazing braking traction it gives in stock form, along with woodwork grip.

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    fyi, Decline mag had a good tire moding instructional article a couple issues ago.

    Personally I'm sceptical that a nevegal can be altered to corner as well as a minion, especially a single ply nevy. But seeing as I've got a bunch of nevy's I should give it a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    Personally I'm sceptical that a nevegal can be altered to corner as well as a minion, especially a single ply nevy. But seeing as I've got a bunch of nevy's I should give it a try.
    Like I said, your mileage may vary.

    There are a lot of factors here, mainly rider style. I'm of the sort that likes to charge every berm as fast as bloody hell and throw my body into it with no brakes if possible.

    I do notice that the Minion maintains a little more control over hard surfaces than the modded Nevegal, but then again, I'll take less hard surface support for gobs of extra loose surface hold.

    There's also the matter of weight. Obviously the cut 2.35 Kevlar Nevegal will be harder to keep on a line with cornering through rocky gnar than the DH Minion, but for regular turns with tons of loose crap, they hold their own. On top of that, the Minions can easily take much harder hits without ripping or flatting. Is a cut Kevlar Nevegal going to replace your DH Minions on the DH/FR bike? Hell no! But it will make your AM bike corner just as well or better in some cases.

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    Interesting but I fail to see the point. My nevegal knobs always came off on their own.
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    Looks like a Maxxis Ardent. They have short intermediate knobs.

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    So the concept here is to buy a tire that you don't like, on purpose, and then tear a bunch of knobs off in hopes that it will perform like a different tire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by los36
    Looks like a Maxxis Ardent. They have short intermediate knobs.

    That's was what I was going to say.

    I think the whole "knob removal" and "tire cyping" (sp?) idea is cool though if you're trying to make an already good tire better for your application.

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    Great post , thank you! I have a well worn 2.35 sticky one to try that on some day.

    Makes me wonder if I would like the Maxxis Minion Front on the rear better than the Minion Rear on the rear. Hmmmm. or perhaps cut the wider side knobs of the rear to match the narrower side knobs. I think I will try that before retiring that model.

    YoPawn; Did you ever try the Kujo? (Dated I know) Wonder your thoughts on that one. Not the most open tread. Even though I'm not the most skilled rider I liked that one for it's "tell" and stability up and down the sides of ruts at speed.

    For me at least some tires in the front like to grab the wall of a rut and jerk you right out of it. Same tires tend to have much less "tell" in the corners.

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    I have heard of folks running the Minion fr on the back. They say it hooks up well.

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    I thought that was what everyone did. I sure am, both on DH and trailbike. They are so much more preductable than the "rear" tire. Stick better both up and down on my Spot, corner better on my dh-bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    So the concept here is to buy a tire that you don't like, on purpose, and then tear a bunch of knobs off in hopes that it will perform like a different tire?
    Man, you're really stretching the old trolling line a bit far on that one.


    So you bought a frame you never liked the color of, had it stripped down with all of the components to make them match in expensive color, go around blowing your wad about it all over MTBR, and then have the retardation to claim my level of idiocy? Go suck a donkey...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen
    I thought that was what everyone did. I sure am, both on DH and trailbike. They are so much more preductable than the "rear" tire. Stick better both up and down on my Spot, corner better on my dh-bike.
    Yeah, I think the Minion DHR is garbage. I run the DHF 3C in the rear. While the braking power isn't anything great, like you said, it's mega predictable when kicking it out at 30 MPH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by los36
    Looks like a Maxxis Ardent. They have short intermediate knobs.

    I have not ridden that tire, but I hear it doesn't hook up very well does it?

    Something that stands out to me is that the transition knobs are angled out and not parallel, thus maybe increasing the chances of the tire lifting and sliding over the side knobs. Another issue I can see is that the side knobs are staggered. While this may help them brake when leaned over, I feel like it will only make the "burning" edge of the inside of the knobs, inconsistent.

    Another thing to consider is that the Nevegal mod leaves a little bit of knob left, which may be assisting in limiting the drift before hitting the burning edge of the outside knobs.

    With that said, I would still like to try an Ardent for the hell of it. Looks fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    I have not ridden that tire, but I hear it doesn't hook up very well does it?

    Something that stands out to me is that the transition knobs are angled out and not parallel, thus maybe increasing the chances of the tire lifting and sliding over the side knobs. Another issue I can see is that the side knobs are staggered. While this may help them brake when leaned over, I feel like it will only make the "burning" edge of the inside of the knobs, inconsistent.

    Another thing to consider is that the Nevegal mod leaves a little bit of knob left, which may be assisting in limiting the drift before hitting the burning edge of the outside knobs.

    With that said, I would still like to try an Ardent for the hell of it. Looks fast!
    In reality, the intermediate knobs are shorter than they appear in the linked image. I've only tried the 29er variant ... and only on the front. It is a fast roller. It hooks up much better when ridden at lower pressures. There is a noticable drift when initiating turns, although once on the edge knobs, it hooks up great. I haven't ridden it in anything other than XC trails (hardpack, sandy, XC-rocky), so take that into consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Yeah, I think the Minion DHR is garbage. I run the DHF 3C in the rear. While the braking power isn't anything great, like you said, it's mega predictable when kicking it out at 30 MPH.
    Wish they made the DHF's in a 29x2.35 version, really liked them on my RFX.

    The Ardent in the 29x2.25 does not hookup like the DHF's do.

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    The Kenda El Moco has a similar pattern to the tires mentioned here.

    Yo Pawn -

    I like you're tire cutting experiment. We ran an article about tire cutting on our blog site and how it specifically relates to Eric Carter's tire, the ExCavator. We plan to do more tire mod articles in the future.

    Thanks for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_colorado_kid


    The Kenda El Moco has a similar pattern to the tires mentioned here.

    Yo Pawn -

    I like you're tire cutting experiment. We ran an article about tire cutting on our blog site and how it specifically relates to Eric Carter's tire, the ExCavator. We plan to do more tire mod articles in the future.

    Thanks for sharing!
    Ooooo, that's a good looking tire! I will check it out next time I look into buying new tires.

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    kidwoo has been advocating doing this mod on Nev tires for awhile. I haven't been a fan of the Nevegal tire but have a set lying around and will give this a try for sh1ts and grins.

    In the meantime, I'm really digging the Ardent. BTW, the el moco does look interesting. 2.1 DTC and 2.35 Stickie in a folding bead. Might an interesting early season XC tire.

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    When you used the nipper, were you able to take one bite or did you have to nibble it away?
    It took an hour?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecoast
    When you used the nipper, were you able to take one bite or did you have to nibble it away?
    It took an hour?!
    One snip. Could have gone faster, but I didn't want to mangle my tire.

    1 hour is actually pretty fast for cutting a tire. All the other tires I ever modded took 2-3 hours each.

    Maybe that's why Steve Peat cuts just every other one? Too lazy to do the rest? Cuts into the drinking time too much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RED5
    Steve Peat ran his Nevs similar to this, except he only removed every other transition knob instead of both. I've tried his mod, worked well, may have to give this a try as well. thanks.
    Which intermediate knobs did Peat remove - the knobs tied to the middle or to the outside? Splitting hairs here but the two types of intermediate knobs are a little different. I'm all about trying Nevegal mods and want to start with the Peaty mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms
    So the concept here is to buy a tire that you don't like, on purpose, and then tear a bunch of knobs off in hopes that it will perform like a different tire?
    uh....did you forget the forum you are in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    I have not ridden that tire, but I hear it doesn't hook up very well does it?

    Something that stands out to me is that the transition knobs are angled out and not parallel, thus maybe increasing the chances of the tire lifting and sliding over the side knobs. Another issue I can see is that the side knobs are staggered. While this may help them brake when leaned over, I feel like it will only make the "burning" edge of the inside of the knobs, inconsistent.

    Another thing to consider is that the Nevegal mod leaves a little bit of knob left, which may be assisting in limiting the drift before hitting the burning edge of the outside knobs.

    With that said, I would still like to try an Ardent for the hell of it. Looks fast!
    Ardent's are my current favorite tire. Before that it was the High Rollers, but the Ardents corner much better than the MHRs. You can lean them over and corner harder.

    That said this is a very subjective assessment, which is heavily influenced on what kind of terrain one rides. I've read a lot of ppl who love the Nevys and I absolutely loathed them. They were rolly (side flex) squirmy, slow and had mediocre climbing traction at best. Worst of all they PF'ed way too easily. Note this is for me @ 230lbs on very rocky NE terrain. Some ppl love them. So, maybe the Ardents may or maynot please you as they do me.

    I'll be trying the Minions next, but I'm def a big Ardent fan. Have 2.6s on my Highline and 2.25s on my Spot. I wish they made them in UST, but the DH casing 2.6s have been bombproof and nary a PF! Not even at Whistler.

    Nip faster dude! heck it didn't take me that long to drill out a tire for studs, and only an hr to put the screws in. Of course all the ice went away right after that.

    Nice Mod work though, thx for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DireWolf
    Which intermediate knobs did Peat remove - the knobs tied to the middle or to the outside? Splitting hairs here but the two types of intermediate knobs are a little different. I'm all about trying Nevegal mods and want to start with the Peaty mod.
    Take out all of the larger ones with with horizontal cut. Not the ones with the angled cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Take out all of the larger ones with with horizontal cut. Not the ones with the angled cut.
    Cool, thanks. That's what I guessed.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Nip faster dude! heck it didn't take me that long to drill out a tire for studs, and only an hr to put the screws in. Of course all the ice went away right after that.
    You have to account for beer drinking time too. It's a 1:1 ratio to actual work done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    You have to account for beer drinking time too. It's a 1:1 ratio to actual work done.
    Clearly you lack the proper tools:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Clearly you lack the proper tools:
    I can't help but notice the small diameter of those tubes. Real beer would have a hard time flowing through those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_
    I can't help but notice the small diameter of those tubes. Real beer would have a hard time flowing through those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Clearly you lack the proper tools:

    What you can't see is that he's actually drinking his own brains, and then refilling his noggin with high quality beer.

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    Small, beer-unfriendly conduits don't appear to be a regional thing.

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    Since this thread is pretty much an atomic dust bin by now (Neds of course!)

    why not show my new biking gloves!

    The shocker!


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    Has anybody modified an Intense system 4? I remember seeing something in the forums regarding that tire, but haven't been successful in finding it.

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    OMFG YoP.... those gloves man... I can't believe sombody sat in a room w/ other ppl and floated that idea.

    "Hey how about this..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    OMFG YoP.... those gloves man... I can't believe sombody sat in a room w/ other ppl and floated that idea.

    "Hey how about this..."
    Looks like the pinky is a designated ass wiper. Kinda makes you imagine where the pink ones are supposed to go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    OMFG YoP.... those gloves man... I can't believe sombody sat in a room w/ other ppl and floated that idea.

    "Hey how about this..."
    The sad thing, is that after a full day of getting nasty, the whole fist becomes brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_
    Looks like the pinky is a designated ass wiper. Kinda makes you imagine where the pink ones are supposed to go
    Yeah I quite understood what it meant.... I was just wondering how the conversation in the design room went.
    "Let's make it look like 3rd base + a pop-fly!"


    YoP, talk about a thread going south!!! EEEEEEEUUUWWWWWW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    The shocker!
    Some people clearly didn't quite get this reference

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Ardent's are my current favorite tire. Before that it was the High Rollers, but the Ardents corner much better than the MHRs. You can lean them over and corner harder.

    That said this is a very subjective assessment, which is heavily influenced on what kind of terrain one rides. I've read a lot of ppl who love the Nevys and I absolutely loathed them. They were rolly (side flex) squirmy, slow and had mediocre climbing traction at best. Worst of all they PF'ed way too easily. Note this is for me @ 230lbs on very rocky NE terrain. Some ppl love them. So, maybe the Ardents may or maynot please you as they do me.

    I'll be trying the Minions next, but I'm def a big Ardent fan. Have 2.6s on my Highline and 2.25s on my Spot. I wish they made them in UST, but the DH casing 2.6s have been bombproof and nary a PF! Not even at Whistler.

    Nip faster dude! heck it didn't take me that long to drill out a tire for studs, and only an hr to put the screws in. Of course all the ice went away right after that.

    Nice Mod work though, thx for sharing.
    As a 200+ lb rider myself, I agree. I have to use higher pressures than normal to keep the Nevs from pinching and squirming. They came on my new Remedy 7, so maybe I'll try the mods. I have an 2.25 Ardent on the back, would like to try a 2.4 on the front. Currently have a 2.4 Conti Rubber Queen up front, that's a nice tire....
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    I modded the front tire last night and did the rear tire with a penknife waiting for my wife to catch me up on the hills today.

    special tools and an hour!

    Anyway it seems to work well so thanks for the tip.

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    Thread update: we've done the full mod to the front nevies we have, and the every other mod for the back. 2.5 sticky DH dual ply tires.

    Fycking genius. It actually makes nevegals a viable tire, just at half the price of maxxis. Thanks for posting this. i knew they had to not suck that much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by William42
    Thread update: we've done the full mod to the front nevies we have, and the every other mod for the back. 2.5 sticky DH dual ply tires.

    Fycking genius. It actually makes nevegals a viable tire, just at half the price of maxxis. Thanks for posting this. i knew they had to not suck that much!
    I was actually just about to post an update on mine.

    Working really damn well!

    Roll fast as hell, corner hard, drift predictably, just awesome.

    I used mine for the McKenzie river trail which I did on my Turner Highline. 27 miles and 5 hours of ass kicking and tons of gnarly lava rock. I blew past the XC guys on the DH and kept up just fine on the uphills.

    I also rode out at Bend, which is a little more dusty. Once again. they hooked up great, but with one problem. TOO GREAT! I was oversteering into corners pretty hard at first. Maybe I will try modding the rear too for Bend and see if that balances it out a bit.

    I ended up doing 60+ miles of riding in that 3 days, a lot of it climbing. I will never ride a different tire again for that, and man, did it ever make my Highline into an uphill shredder!

    Seriously if there was ever a lightweight tire that could compare to a DH Minion, it a modded 2.35 Nevegal. I've pinch flatted a couple of times, but that's a worthwhile trade off for being able to haul ass uphill too.


    WARNING! Don't run big tires on small rims and expect this mod to work, the tire profile will be too rounded and not hook up. I think my rims at 32 mm wide (outside width) are about as thin as I would want to go when running the modded 2.35 Nevegals. If you want to run a skinny rim, go to the 2.1 tires.

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    I am on 27mm rims and it's all good

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    I was actually just about to post an update on mine.


    I used mine for the McKenzie river trail which I did on my Turner Highline. 27 miles and 5 hours of ass kicking and tons of gnarly lava rock. I blew past the XC guys on the DH and kept up just fine on the uphills.
    Do you mean the XC track team? (sorry you must have stopped for pictures and a swim at blue pool)

    I am a geek and did the mod but to only one side of the tire so I can do a "side by side" comparison. No much of a difference so far but the dirt has been pretty good in Hood RIver. Loose dirt is coming and maybe I will notice something more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paco Finn
    Do you mean the XC track team? (sorry you must have stopped for pictures and a swim at blue pool)
    Huh? I don't know what you are trying to say here.

    Our pictures were lost IN the blue pool. I went swimming for it, but the data card and battery had popped out.

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    Who says?

    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Maybe that's why Steve Peat cuts just every other one? Too lazy to do the rest? Cuts into the drinking time too much?
    Who says you cant mod it AND do your drinking at the same time? Snip-sip-snip-sip-snip ... how many knobs are we talking about here - Is it one or two pints?

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    Digging this one up, has anybody actually tried the El Moco (The bugger) I'm curious to hear how it performs, it looks similar to the Maxxis HR, but if it has the bigger volume the Nev has, it should be a winner.

    I'm soon to be a test subject for the Navegal 2.3 mod on a narrow rim, Mavic 819, I'll cut every-other knob and see how it goes, it is a vague cornerer as it is, so I recon, I have nothing to loose. If anyone has done it and has anything good or bad to say, please. As it is, it does not hold a candle to the 2.3 HR, faster and great/better hooker... on the corners that is .

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    If anyone is buying a new tire and doesn't have a nevy sitting around, I recommend buying a Kenda Excavator. Blows away the Nevegal is just about every way. Even my modded version.

    I've ran mine in the wet and super dusty dry. stupid amount of traction.

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    I had read this thread and a couple of others on Nevegal modding. Attached are some pics that Red5 (IIRC) posted. I tried the 1/2 knob trim on the intermediate knobs. With that mod the tire still feels like a Nevegal, but now it has a hook. So you can set the outside knobs like a High Roller. It is better, but I can't help but wonder if it is just half of the improvement. I may snip the whole intermediate knobs off like the OP. Overall I have to give this mod 2 thumbs up, really makes a good tire out of a Nevegal.

    Not sure why the OP took an hour to do the mod. I think it took about 15-20min for me. My snips were similar, but had some angle to them. If it actually took an hour/tire I don't think the mod would be worth the effort
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    Looking for a good set of AM tires brought me to this thread.

    One question; If this mod is intended to get the Nev performance on par with the Minion, why not go with the 2.35 Minion?
    The weights are comparable.

    Is the performance of the 2.35 Minion that much less than the 2.5?

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    Nevegal 2.35 is a true 2.35 where the Minion and High Roller must be purchased at 2.5 to get a true 2.35-2.4 tire. So that is part of it. A Nevegal 2.35 is also a fair shake lighter than a 2.5 single ply maxxis (if you can even get one, not imported to the US). 650g vs 850-900g adds up to about a pound on the bike for both wheels.

    IMO the nevegal with this mod more closely resembles a high roller than a minion dhf. The minion is not as open in the tread, so it doesn't perform as well on the loose stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxtar
    Looking for a good set of AM tires brought me to this thread.

    One question; If this mod is intended to get the Nev performance on par with the Minion, why not go with the 2.35 Minion?
    The weights are comparable.

    Is the performance of the 2.35 Minion that much less than the 2.5?
    Minion 2.35 only comes in 60 duro. Garbage for the wet. I mean TOTAL crapola.

    One of the worst tires I've ever tried. Too small too. Hey Maxxis! Stop the BS and get your shizzle right!

    Kenda Excavator 2.35 DTC is THE best folding bead tire I have ever been on. Even puts the Nevegal mod to shame in every category except weight and rolling resistance. Modded Nevy is damn fast!

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    RE: Maxxpro 60A
    in the SE I find the maxxis rubber works respectably when things get wet. No, not going to compare to a soft compound for grip in that circumstance but IMO better than WTB, SpecialEd, and Kenda standard compounds. YMMV by location.

    Only caveat on nevegal mod is that it puts more load on the side lugs, so it is easier to shed knobs.

    YoPawn, how is the excavator for losing sideknobs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    Minion 2.35 only comes in 60 duro.
    they are available in 42d.

    Part Number Size TPI Bead Max Psi Durometer Weight (g)
    TB73550000 26X2.35 60 WIRE 65 42 825

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'size
    they are available in 42d.

    Part Number Size TPI Bead Max Psi Durometer Weight (g)
    TB73550000 26X2.35 60 WIRE 65 42 825
    I stand corrected. Now is anyone actually selling it?

    When did this come out? I looked for a folding Minion in 42 or 3c last year and could not find squat.

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    I have lost numerous knobs on the neve but have never lost a nob on my Excavators. It is a better tire than the neve hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    I stand corrected. Now is anyone actually selling it?

    When did this come out? I looked for a folding Minion in 42 or 3c last year and could not find squat.

    I've been using a Minion DHF single-ply 2.35 in 42a on the front of my TransAm for a while. Funny thing is that I'm not convinced the Minion is better for "xc" riding (I'm too old to buy into xc, vs trail, vs all mountain. If you pedal, it's xc.). The Minion IS my favorite bigbike tire, but I like the Nevegal for xc.

    I think it has to do with the fact that the Minion needs speed with aggressive leaning to do it's magic. Maybe it's just the fact that the 2.35 is tiny. For lower speed rides in the wet, with off-camber roots and stuff, I think the Nevegal wins, or at least ties the Minion. Personal preference, of course.

    Now I'd like to try an Excavator, but it it looks like it only comes in DTC? No dice. Maxxis does need to get their poo together and put out a 2.5 single-ply Minion in 3C or 42. That would probably be the winner in my book for xc front tire. No worries though, I'm perfectly happy on Nevegals.

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    I ride a 2.5 Nevegal Single ply as my everyday front tire. It weighs about 970g. The weight of the 2.5 Excavator is a no go for me. Can anyone compare the 2.35 excavator to the 2.5 Nevegal. What if I mod the 2.5?
    I ride Colorado rocky, loose, dusty, and sometimes muddy. But of course!

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    soo is there an advantage to doing the full or half mod for the rear tire? faster rolling with limited grip downside? this would be a 2.1 for the rear to match up with a 2.35 front

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltik
    soo is there an advantage to doing the full or half mod for the rear tire? faster rolling with limited grip downside? this would be a 2.1 for the rear to match up with a 2.35 front
    Advantage on the rear would be minimal. Rolling may be slower, but I kind of doubt it is perceptible. Tread would be more open, so mud shedding would be better. On the 2.1 it would help the smaller knobs dig in a bit more in the loose (my main complaint on the 2.1 vs 2.35 of this tire). I think on the rear the every other knob version of the mod would be the better bet if you were going to do it.

    I have run my half knob modded tire on the rear, I can't really say that I notice much difference over stock. Where on the front it is a big difference in cornering.
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    If you do every other knob in the front, don't modify the rear. If you do all the knobs in the front do every other one in the rear.

    Nevegal in stock form is actually an amazing rear tire because it will drift before a decent front tire and it grips to wet crap like a dream.

    I'm going to try running a Nevegal rear and Excavator front and see how that feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoPawn
    If you do every other knob in the front, don't modify the rear. If you do all the knobs in the front do every other one in the rear.

    Nevegal in stock form is actually an amazing rear tire because it will drift before a decent front tire and it grips to wet crap like a dream.

    I'm going to try running a Nevegal rear and Excavator front and see how that feels.
    Good points all around. I too have been wondering about the nev/exc combo. Spot on about the drift, an often overlooked trait that is quite helpful as a rear tire. Drift without total loss of control is a gift on a rear tire. Also the round profile grips way better for climbing that the square profile tires do (especially in shale/baby heads).
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    gonna try this...i will let you know how it works...works great on my moto. Have a ktm with a license plate and the tire looks new again after tearing it up on the street. Took 15 minutes and will make my moto tire last 5x longer...this may be another benefit
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    Let us know how the knife works. Interesting!

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    Sorry for digging up an old thread, but I have a few questions.

    1. Why do the transition knobs comprise of both an angled cut and a straight cut? (Why can't the transition knobs just be a straight cut?)

    2. Would removing the transition knobs have a drastic effect on breaking traction? If so, is it really noticeable?

    3. If I were to remove one set of transition knobs, which one should I remove (all the angled cut knobs, or all the straight cut knobs), to see an improvement in cornering traction?

    Thanks

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    1. I dunno. I think you are mixxing cuts. I used a straight angle on my 2.35 DTC on every transition knob and a entirely removed every other knob on my 2.1 UST. Pick one Or ar you asking about how the knobs are siped from the factory?

    2. Not a huge difference in braking. I suppose if you completely removed all transition knobs and ran full bore into an off-camber turn you might just notice it. But IMO removing every transition knob is a bad idea (too much open space from ctr to side knobs).

    3. I already posted a picture, what more do you want ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AL29er View Post
    I had read this thread and a couple of others on Nevegal modding. Attached are some pics that Red5 (IIRC) posted. I tried the 1/2 knob trim on the intermediate knobs. With that mod the tire still feels like a Nevegal, but now it has a hook. So you can set the outside knobs like a High Roller. It is better, but I can't help but wonder if it is just half of the improvement. I may snip the whole intermediate knobs off like the OP. Overall I have to give this mod 2 thumbs up, really makes a good tire out of a Nevegal.

    Not sure why the OP took an hour to do the mod. I think it took about 15-20min for me. My snips were similar, but had some angle to them. If it actually took an hour/tire I don't think the mod would be worth the effort
    Several year bump but I've got a Nevegal that I run sometimes on my DJ bike for pumptrack and slalom riding that I was thinking about modding since I dont like the way it rides right now and dont want to spend any money on fancy tires for a bike that gets ridden a few hours a month.

    Did you ever mod the tire by removing all of the transition knobs and if so, how did it compare to removing half of them? Thanks!

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    Remove tire....

    replace with Schwalbe Hans Dampf. Voila! Way lower rolling resistance and still cat on carpet traction. I put some on my Burner between Interbike and Outerbike and was amazed at the increase in speed and no loss of, scratch that, an increase in traction in the rocks. The Dampfs don't squirm around when off angle in bigger stretches of rock or packed clay and the Nevegals suck in sand, grabbing and wandering left and right challenging my sand riding to the point of being pissed off, and I LIKE riding the stuff.

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    Spent a few hours on my modded Nevegal the other day and love it with every other transition knob removed.

    The tire used to require faith that it would hold the line - basically meaning that it gripped like hell but didnt really provide much feedback about its grip until it would lose it all.

    Now it just hooks up and rails with a lot of good tactile feedback about how much harder you can push it. Loving it, great way to improve on a tire that I received for free a while back.

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    Does this mod make rolling resistance better or worse? Or no change?

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    I havent noticed a different in rolling resistance but I dont pedal this bike uphill either, it's a slalom bike/dirt jumper. Still rolls slow but at least I'm more confident carrying speed around the turns.

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    Talk about dragging up an old thread!

    Thankfully the difference it made (those many years ago) was significant enough that I still remember.

    Rolling resistance, probably a tiny amount, but not noticable.
    Tyre weight reduction (so faster acceleration) - surprisingly significant.

    So the bike will accelerate and corner faster and be faster up hills. On the flat in a straight line, probably not.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    I'm really diggin' the Spesh Butcher Control for a lightish trail/AM front tire. Rolls great and hooks up well in a variety of conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant View Post
    Talk about dragging up an old thread!

    Thankfully the difference it made (those many years ago) was significant enough that I still remember..
    Yep, and these tires are still specced on so many bikes that it's good to keep this thread somewhere near the top since it provides such an improvement for just 10-15 minutes time and no money spent.

    I'll never pay for Nevegals but if I can get them for free and mod them to work, I'll be running this setup for a while

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    Has anyone had any luck using the modded 2.35's on narrower rims? I am running 819's and thinking about cutting the 2.35 folding DTC I am running in the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twowheelssoar View Post
    Has anyone had any luck using the modded 2.35's on narrower rims? I am running 819's and thinking about cutting the 2.35 folding DTC I am running in the front.
    Not sure how wide the 819s are but I and many others have had terrible experiences running the wider Kendas on narrow rims. There wasnt really a happy pressure, it was either low enough to be comfortable in a straight line but folding the tire over in the turns or hard enough to keep the tire from rolling but sacrificing handling and comfort.

    Modding wont make a difference, there just isnt enough sidewall support on the Nevegal to run it on a narrow rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twowheelssoar View Post
    Has anyone had any luck using the modded 2.35's on narrower rims? I am running 819's and thinking about cutting the 2.35 folding DTC I am running in the front.
    I run mine on the front of my bike on some Black Flag Pros which are probably comparable to the 819. I believe they are 27mm wide. It works fine. I don't have problems hooking up. I do want to try the mod though. I'm used to slimy NorthWet winters and I like how the DTC hooks up during the rainy season.

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    This thread was a great find. I had a front Nev 2.35 Stick-E on a Mavic 823 that was getting pretty worn and was ready for replacement. I decided to try the mod. I removed every other transitional knob (the ones with the diagonal sipe) in about 15 minutes with a pair of wire-cutters. After four rides in SoCal loose over hardpack, sand, gravel and rock stream beds, and sandstone I noticed the following (in order of significance):

    1. tire wanders less in the shallow, loose stuff; holds a better line
    2. improved corning traction
    3. a little faster rolling
    4. straight line braking over bumps seems to be about the same (its not worse, but the tire is pretty worn on the center knobs and transitional knobs probably don't come into play much)

    For a free, 15 minute mod it bought it little extra life for an aging Nevegal.


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