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    Burner Build Thread

    Just got my production Burner frame so thought I better start off first.

    The drivetrain will be coming out of my parts bin, I want to see how I like the gearing on 650b before making any changes.

    Rider: 6'2", 175lb

    Frame Size & Color: XL Rawwwww
    Rear Shock: Fox CTD, Kashima
    Fork: Fox 34 Float black 150mm
    Brakes: Avid Elixir CR Mag
    Shifter: SRAM X.0 grip
    Cranks: Shimano XTR Triple
    Chainguide: None
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X.9 medium
    Pedals: Shimano XTR
    Stem: Easton Haven 55mm
    Handlebar: Bontrager X Lite flat
    Seatpost: KS Lev 100mm drop
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom
    Bottom Bracket: Shimano XTR
    Chainring: 22-32-bash
    Cassette: Shimano XTR, 11-34
    Headset: Cane Creek 40
    Grips: Oury
    Front Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf, 2.35
    Front Rim: Stan's Arch EX
    Front Hub: Hope black 32H, 15QR
    Rear Tire: Maxxis Ardent 2.25
    Rear Rim: Stan's Arch EX
    Rear Hub: Hope black 32H, 142X12

    Weight 7.38lb for the frame, shock, seatpost clamp and rear axle.
    Build weight is just over 29lb
    Wheelbase is 47"
    BB height is 13.25"








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    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Build it up man!

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    I believe (unless I missed it) that this is the first PRODUCTION Burner frame I've seen posted-looks great! I've been picking up parts all winter to add to the stuff I already have and I'm about ready to order a frame. I'll be really interested in your impressions of this bike...Congrats!

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    Build is at an impasse waiting on the fork and headset buildkit from Turner, due to be delivered today. Should have it ready this evening
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Aha - now I know why you played the "sick card" and bailed on our ride last night.

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    Sweet looking frame! Be sure to post pictures of the finished build

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    OP updated with the build complete, still working on handlebar height etc. hence the donut holder. Bar drop isn't as bad as the photos make it look, but it is nearly an inch more than I've been running on my 29ers.

    Weather isn't cooperating for a proper test this weekend...
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Central Park?

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    That's quite a parts bin! Looks like the perfect NYC commuter bike.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    OP updated with the build complete, still working on handlebar height etc. hence the donut holder. Bar drop isn't as bad as the photos make it look, but it is nearly an inch more than I've been running on my 29ers.

    Weather isn't cooperating for a proper test this weekend...
    Nice photo shoot in Central Park! I am sure you must have gotten some quizzical looks.

    Great looking bike and am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the bike in the Westchester terrain.

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    Looks like Rat Rock in Central Park- Old School (1990's) Trials Mecca!!

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    Good...Looking...Bike!

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    Man, I'd worry about getting mugged carrying that much bling around Central Park.

    If only the muggers knew how much that bike was worth.

    Nice build John. Looks great. Can't wait to hear your ride impressions.
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    good luck with the build! I'll be visiting NY in April and will be bringing my Burner so maybe we can meet up. Could you show me around some of the trails?

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    i like it. i like it lot. i'm very curious about the seemingly long wheelbase - 47 in for a 150mm bike - especially for you at 6 ft 2 in - how is the burner gonna climb? aren't you going to be super streched out to get weight over both wheels? did you have a tough call between large and XL? looking forward to your reviews and enjoy that bike!

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    After finally getting out on mine today after looking at it shiney new for a couple of weeks waiting for the weather to break I can confirm something.

    I've bought an assault weapon.

    The frame combined with the Fox 34 gives so much confidence, at speed through baby heads, or off drops I was loving it. Coming off several years only riding XC on 29ers I didn't notice any dimished rollover ability with this setup. The slacker headangle will take some getting used to on the steeper switchback climbs. But it gives sooooo much confidence pointed downhill and allowed me to hit a couple of drops I'd always skipped on previous bikes.

    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    After finally getting out on mine today after looking at it shiney new for a couple of weeks waiting for the weather to break I can confirm something.

    I've bought an assault weapon.

    The frame combined with the Fox 34 gives so much confidence, at speed through baby heads, or off drops I was loving it. Coming off several years only riding XC on 29ers I didn't notice any dimished rollover ability with this setup. The slacker headangle will take some getting used to on the steeper switchback climbs. But it gives sooooo much confidence pointed downhill and allowed me to hit a couple of drops I'd always skipped on previous bikes.

    Have you ridden a Sultan? I am curious in how it rides compared to a Sultan. I like the Sultan's ability to monster truck over obstacles, but I think I would like a bike that is more playful.
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    I spent 5 years on a TNT Sultan, demoed the original DW version in '08.

    So far I'm loving the Burner, it has the monster truck ability with the 34 and the playfulness.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Man, I'd worry about getting mugged carrying that much bling around Central Park.

    If only the muggers knew how much that bike was worth.

    Nice build John. Looks great. Can't wait to hear your ride impressions.
    So you wouldn't leave it hanging around here then?
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Got out for a solid 3 hour ride again today, giving the Burner a solid test on tech chunk and climbing in the Blue Mountain rocks, 16miles for 2350ft of climbing.

    It climbs really well, particularly on steep sharp little tech moves where if you can turn the cranks, it can climb it. I cleaned a couple of little moves I've always struggled with.


    Pedal strikes aren't a problem, just need to ratchet those cranks


    It laughs at 3ft drops.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    How do you like the Ardent 2.25 as a rear tire so far?

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    Okay as long as the ground isn't too loose, not so good on the frost heave when climbing, not so good on off camber downhill corners which are muddy But it performs how I'd expect, another HD with the bigger knobs would remove those traits but I don't think I'd want the likely increase in RR.

    Edit: I wouldn't mind trying a nobby nic on the back to see how that compares.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    So you wouldn't leave it hanging around here then?
    Not even sure I'd get off the train at that stop without an armed body guard.

    You coming out west this year? I'll likely be in Moab sometime this Spring. Let me know.
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    Was sure I'd answered your Moab question with a negative
    I was there in late 2011, so doubtful for this year.

    Longest ride yet on the Burner today, 30 miles of fun in the cold and snow. I'm loving the ability of this bike, going up and coming down. I'm clearing technical climbs that I struggled or couldn't make before and heading downhill is just point and shoot.

    A few snaps from the day

    Out on the monster trail at Blue Mountain, Peekskill, NY.

    My occasional audience

    The odd icy patch

    I'll be dammed
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    That looks like about an 80 foot drop-off?

    Seriously though, nice bike, nice trails, beautiful nature.

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    Out at Sprain again yesterday enjoying the chunk and tech, 16.3miles, 2450ft of climbing.

    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Follow the thread.

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    One in the UK (at least)

    Just finished the the build, with the frame protection and setup still to do so no real ride time yet. Build basics:
    Frame size large : Raw (originally)
    Fox 36 RC2 160mm
    Cane Creek DBair
    Stans FlowEX on Hadleys
    Hope M4 Tech
    Raceface Turbine cranks 24/36
    X0, X9 mix for shifting.
    Thomson SDG, Easton and Answer Protapers

    Probably have a long wait this week before I get some ride time in next weekend (UK weather permitting)
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    Them Blue Fox stickers will have to go....

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    6thElement, et al- I am looking to get a dropper post for my Burner, and the KS is on my list. Do you like it? I am having trouble deciding between getting the KS now, or waiting for the release of the Thomson. Thanks for your advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Ha View Post
    6thElement, et al- I am looking to get a dropper post for my Burner, and the KS is on my list. Do you like it? I am having trouble deciding between getting the KS now, or waiting for the release of the Thomson. Thanks for your advice!
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    I have a KS Lev (125mm) on my 5Spot and love it! I've had both of Crankbother's droppers and would advise you to avoid them. I ride a large 5Spot, I'm 5'11" with a 32" inseam. Reason I tell you that is because I have enough room to run the KS LEV 150mm, and wish I did.
    I have a new frame on order and am eyeing the Thomson, but I believe its current configuration does NOT have a stationary actuation cable. If the production Thomson comes out without the stationary cable it will be a "NO-BRAINER", I will get the KS LEV 150.

    Hope this helps, best to you on your search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritPOP View Post
    Just finished the the build, with the frame protection and setup still to do so no real ride time yet. Build basics:
    Frame size large : Raw (originally)
    Fox 36 RC2 160mm
    Cane Creek DBair
    Stans FlowEX on Hadleys
    Hope M4 Tech
    Raceface Turbine cranks 24/36
    X0, X9 mix for shifting.
    Thomson SDG, Easton and Answer Protapers

    Probably have a long wait this week before I get some ride time in next weekend (UK weather permitting)
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    Them Blue Fox stickers will have to go....
    The 36 has no issues with the 27.5 wheel and HD tire?

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    Fox 36 with Hans Damf

    Enough clearance for general riding, probably too tight for very muddy conditions though. Haven't checked for crown clearance but I haven't heard of any issues, then again I've never got close to getting full travel on this fork ?!

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    Its the 2.35 HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritPOP View Post
    Enough clearance for general riding, probably too tight for very muddy conditions though. Haven't checked for crown clearance but I haven't heard of any issues, then again I've never got close to getting full travel on this fork ?!

    Its the 2.35 HD.
    Sweet looking bike BritPop. Awesome, burly build. Good to know the 36 Fox clears the wheels. How are you liking the CCDB air on that bike so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    ... Good to know the 36 Fox clears the wheels...
    Not sure I'd say that's 100% golden until we see a pic of the fork bottomed out. Have you seen any pics for crown clearance on a 36? I'd love to know if they're good to go, I'll keep my 36 if I pick up a Burner this year!

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    For some reason the Hans Dampf in that photo looks a little more appealing to me than in the other photos I'm seeing of it. I'm really impatient for a good winter tire but hesitant to buy those HD's. Hoping the boat the High Roller II's are on doesn't end up like that cruise ship

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    I think this may make it 100% golden for you Hubba..

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    KRob. can't comment much on the CCDB air on the burner as I have not got much ride time on it yet and the whole DW thing is new to me. I was converted to the CCDB air when I fitted it to my last full sus bike an SB66, it was fitted from new because as a heavier than average rider (200 lbs ++) I felt it offered a lot more 'tunability' for my weight than the std tune fox. I was very happy with my choice as damping felt VERY controlled and the adjustments work.
    PS. pinkbike seem to like the CCDB too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BritPOP View Post
    I think this may make it 100% golden for you Hubba...
    Thanks so much for the pic, SWEET!!!

    It looks as if you have as much clearance with the arch as you do with the crown. That definitely helps, I was hoping I could keep the fork for the time being to lower my new build costs.

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    I know polishing took a while but c'mon...it's raw!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    OP updated with the build complete, still working on handlebar height etc.
    First ride with a new Haven 710 carbon handlebar today, much better fit than the 660 bar I had on to start with. Just need to cut down the donut holder now.

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    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    All looking GOOD there BritPOP..... Is that Ye Olde English Coffin Rest your shiny Americana is leant against?! Interesting juxtaposition
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    First ride with a new Haven 710 carbon handlebar today, much better fit than the 660 bar I had on to start with. Just need to cut down the donut holder now.
    Wanted to comment on your bars earlier but thought maybe it was an illusion. I was running 785 for the first few rides on the Burner and just rode with 725's. My wife has been sharing the Burner with me and has 685's on her spot so she was happy with the 725's. Ultimately I think I will end up with flat bars cut to 740.

    Yesterday was my first good long ride on the bike, steep loose techy up, and fast down. The bike was a blast, amazing climber and ripped back down.

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    Going with a new 55mm stem and my old flat 660 bars meant my natural grip had my hands hanging over the edge by an inch each side. The 710's felt great but the trails had too much snow to give a complete conclusion, but I definitely liked my hand position more. The change in height is minimal with a spacer removed from below the stem and the low rise of the Haven bar.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Britpop, can you tell me where you got your tyres, i have a burner on order im in England , have the wheels and forks but cant find any tyres anywhere at all in 650b....

    Ta

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    Got mine from r2-bike.com , a german site, prices are usualy quite good although there is a postage charge but it is usualy offset by the euro/pound exchange rate.
    You could also add the following to your seach list
    Bike24
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    Bike Components
    All got some 650B stuff.
    All german sites so watch out for varying P&P + credit card charges, shipping takes about a week compared to CRC next day though.

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    Thanks mate, did you get the 3.35 HD..?
    Ive got 2.35 Minions on the 26" and wonder if the HD is comparable in size...

    DT on a email said the 2.25 may be best all round as the HD 2.35 is huge..

    How is the bike /// ?
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    2.35 HD trailstar on the front of mine, I like big tyres. (2.35 NN pacestar on rear).
    Not sure if the 2.25 HD's are available yet as I am looking for some myself to get around a fork clearance issue on a hardtail build I am doing.
    Early days on the Burner but am full of confidence it will be a keeper, only issue I have with it is a bit of stiction in the bushings which spoils the outrite buttery feel I know that the CCDB can give.

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    oops double post..

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    Just Thought,

    Does the burner come with the rear bolt through axle included...

    TA

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    Quote Originally Posted by CragRat View Post
    Just Thought,

    Does the burner come with the rear bolt through axle included...

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    Yes! My frame should be here tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CragRat View Post
    Just Thought,

    Does the burner come with the rear bolt through axle included...

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    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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