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    Burner Build Thread

    Just got my production Burner frame so thought I better start off first.

    The drivetrain will be coming out of my parts bin, I want to see how I like the gearing on 650b before making any changes.

    Rider: 6'2", 175lb

    Frame Size & Color: XL Rawwwww
    Rear Shock: Fox CTD, Kashima
    Fork: Fox 34 Float black 150mm
    Brakes: Avid Elixir CR Mag
    Shifter: SRAM X.0 grip
    Cranks: Shimano XTR Triple
    Chainguide: None
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X.9 medium
    Pedals: Shimano XTR
    Stem: Easton Haven 55mm
    Handlebar: Bontrager X Lite flat
    Seatpost: KS Lev 100mm drop
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom
    Bottom Bracket: Shimano XTR
    Chainring: 22-32-bash
    Cassette: Shimano XTR, 11-34
    Headset: Cane Creek 40
    Grips: Oury
    Front Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf, 2.35
    Front Rim: Stan's Arch EX
    Front Hub: Hope black 32H, 15QR
    Rear Tire: Maxxis Ardent 2.25
    Rear Rim: Stan's Arch EX
    Rear Hub: Hope black 32H, 142X12

    Weight 7.38lb for the frame, shock, seatpost clamp and rear axle.
    Build weight is just over 29lb
    Wheelbase is 47"
    BB height is 13.25"








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    Build it up man!

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    I believe (unless I missed it) that this is the first PRODUCTION Burner frame I've seen posted-looks great! I've been picking up parts all winter to add to the stuff I already have and I'm about ready to order a frame. I'll be really interested in your impressions of this bike...Congrats!

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    Build is at an impasse waiting on the fork and headset buildkit from Turner, due to be delivered today. Should have it ready this evening
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Aha - now I know why you played the "sick card" and bailed on our ride last night.

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    Sweet looking frame! Be sure to post pictures of the finished build

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    OP updated with the build complete, still working on handlebar height etc. hence the donut holder. Bar drop isn't as bad as the photos make it look, but it is nearly an inch more than I've been running on my 29ers.

    Weather isn't cooperating for a proper test this weekend...
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Central Park?

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    That's quite a parts bin! Looks like the perfect NYC commuter bike.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    OP updated with the build complete, still working on handlebar height etc. hence the donut holder. Bar drop isn't as bad as the photos make it look, but it is nearly an inch more than I've been running on my 29ers.

    Weather isn't cooperating for a proper test this weekend...
    Nice photo shoot in Central Park! I am sure you must have gotten some quizzical looks.

    Great looking bike and am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the bike in the Westchester terrain.

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    Looks like Rat Rock in Central Park- Old School (1990's) Trials Mecca!!

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    Good...Looking...Bike!

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    Man, I'd worry about getting mugged carrying that much bling around Central Park.

    If only the muggers knew how much that bike was worth.

    Nice build John. Looks great. Can't wait to hear your ride impressions.
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    good luck with the build! I'll be visiting NY in April and will be bringing my Burner so maybe we can meet up. Could you show me around some of the trails?

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    i like it. i like it lot. i'm very curious about the seemingly long wheelbase - 47 in for a 150mm bike - especially for you at 6 ft 2 in - how is the burner gonna climb? aren't you going to be super streched out to get weight over both wheels? did you have a tough call between large and XL? looking forward to your reviews and enjoy that bike!

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    After finally getting out on mine today after looking at it shiney new for a couple of weeks waiting for the weather to break I can confirm something.

    I've bought an assault weapon.

    The frame combined with the Fox 34 gives so much confidence, at speed through baby heads, or off drops I was loving it. Coming off several years only riding XC on 29ers I didn't notice any dimished rollover ability with this setup. The slacker headangle will take some getting used to on the steeper switchback climbs. But it gives sooooo much confidence pointed downhill and allowed me to hit a couple of drops I'd always skipped on previous bikes.

    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    After finally getting out on mine today after looking at it shiney new for a couple of weeks waiting for the weather to break I can confirm something.

    I've bought an assault weapon.

    The frame combined with the Fox 34 gives so much confidence, at speed through baby heads, or off drops I was loving it. Coming off several years only riding XC on 29ers I didn't notice any dimished rollover ability with this setup. The slacker headangle will take some getting used to on the steeper switchback climbs. But it gives sooooo much confidence pointed downhill and allowed me to hit a couple of drops I'd always skipped on previous bikes.

    Have you ridden a Sultan? I am curious in how it rides compared to a Sultan. I like the Sultan's ability to monster truck over obstacles, but I think I would like a bike that is more playful.
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    I spent 5 years on a TNT Sultan, demoed the original DW version in '08.

    So far I'm loving the Burner, it has the monster truck ability with the 34 and the playfulness.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Man, I'd worry about getting mugged carrying that much bling around Central Park.

    If only the muggers knew how much that bike was worth.

    Nice build John. Looks great. Can't wait to hear your ride impressions.
    So you wouldn't leave it hanging around here then?
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Got out for a solid 3 hour ride again today, giving the Burner a solid test on tech chunk and climbing in the Blue Mountain rocks, 16miles for 2350ft of climbing.

    It climbs really well, particularly on steep sharp little tech moves where if you can turn the cranks, it can climb it. I cleaned a couple of little moves I've always struggled with.


    Pedal strikes aren't a problem, just need to ratchet those cranks


    It laughs at 3ft drops.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    How do you like the Ardent 2.25 as a rear tire so far?

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    Okay as long as the ground isn't too loose, not so good on the frost heave when climbing, not so good on off camber downhill corners which are muddy But it performs how I'd expect, another HD with the bigger knobs would remove those traits but I don't think I'd want the likely increase in RR.

    Edit: I wouldn't mind trying a nobby nic on the back to see how that compares.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    So you wouldn't leave it hanging around here then?
    Not even sure I'd get off the train at that stop without an armed body guard.

    You coming out west this year? I'll likely be in Moab sometime this Spring. Let me know.
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    Was sure I'd answered your Moab question with a negative
    I was there in late 2011, so doubtful for this year.

    Longest ride yet on the Burner today, 30 miles of fun in the cold and snow. I'm loving the ability of this bike, going up and coming down. I'm clearing technical climbs that I struggled or couldn't make before and heading downhill is just point and shoot.

    A few snaps from the day

    Out on the monster trail at Blue Mountain, Peekskill, NY.

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    The odd icy patch

    I'll be dammed
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    That looks like about an 80 foot drop-off?

    Seriously though, nice bike, nice trails, beautiful nature.

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    Out at Sprain again yesterday enjoying the chunk and tech, 16.3miles, 2450ft of climbing.

    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    One in the UK (at least)

    Just finished the the build, with the frame protection and setup still to do so no real ride time yet. Build basics:
    Frame size large : Raw (originally)
    Fox 36 RC2 160mm
    Cane Creek DBair
    Stans FlowEX on Hadleys
    Hope M4 Tech
    Raceface Turbine cranks 24/36
    X0, X9 mix for shifting.
    Thomson SDG, Easton and Answer Protapers

    Probably have a long wait this week before I get some ride time in next weekend (UK weather permitting)
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    6thElement, et al- I am looking to get a dropper post for my Burner, and the KS is on my list. Do you like it? I am having trouble deciding between getting the KS now, or waiting for the release of the Thomson. Thanks for your advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Ha View Post
    6thElement, et al- I am looking to get a dropper post for my Burner, and the KS is on my list. Do you like it? I am having trouble deciding between getting the KS now, or waiting for the release of the Thomson. Thanks for your advice!
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    I have a KS Lev (125mm) on my 5Spot and love it! I've had both of Crankbother's droppers and would advise you to avoid them. I ride a large 5Spot, I'm 5'11" with a 32" inseam. Reason I tell you that is because I have enough room to run the KS LEV 150mm, and wish I did.
    I have a new frame on order and am eyeing the Thomson, but I believe its current configuration does NOT have a stationary actuation cable. If the production Thomson comes out without the stationary cable it will be a "NO-BRAINER", I will get the KS LEV 150.

    Hope this helps, best to you on your search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritPOP View Post
    Just finished the the build, with the frame protection and setup still to do so no real ride time yet. Build basics:
    Frame size large : Raw (originally)
    Fox 36 RC2 160mm
    Cane Creek DBair
    Stans FlowEX on Hadleys
    Hope M4 Tech
    Raceface Turbine cranks 24/36
    X0, X9 mix for shifting.
    Thomson SDG, Easton and Answer Protapers

    Probably have a long wait this week before I get some ride time in next weekend (UK weather permitting)
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    Them Blue Fox stickers will have to go....
    The 36 has no issues with the 27.5 wheel and HD tire?

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    Fox 36 with Hans Damf

    Enough clearance for general riding, probably too tight for very muddy conditions though. Haven't checked for crown clearance but I haven't heard of any issues, then again I've never got close to getting full travel on this fork ?!

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    Its the 2.35 HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritPOP View Post
    Enough clearance for general riding, probably too tight for very muddy conditions though. Haven't checked for crown clearance but I haven't heard of any issues, then again I've never got close to getting full travel on this fork ?!

    Its the 2.35 HD.
    Sweet looking bike BritPop. Awesome, burly build. Good to know the 36 Fox clears the wheels. How are you liking the CCDB air on that bike so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    ... Good to know the 36 Fox clears the wheels...
    Not sure I'd say that's 100% golden until we see a pic of the fork bottomed out. Have you seen any pics for crown clearance on a 36? I'd love to know if they're good to go, I'll keep my 36 if I pick up a Burner this year!

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    For some reason the Hans Dampf in that photo looks a little more appealing to me than in the other photos I'm seeing of it. I'm really impatient for a good winter tire but hesitant to buy those HD's. Hoping the boat the High Roller II's are on doesn't end up like that cruise ship

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    I think this may make it 100% golden for you Hubba..

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    KRob. can't comment much on the CCDB air on the burner as I have not got much ride time on it yet and the whole DW thing is new to me. I was converted to the CCDB air when I fitted it to my last full sus bike an SB66, it was fitted from new because as a heavier than average rider (200 lbs ++) I felt it offered a lot more 'tunability' for my weight than the std tune fox. I was very happy with my choice as damping felt VERY controlled and the adjustments work.
    PS. pinkbike seem to like the CCDB too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BritPOP View Post
    I think this may make it 100% golden for you Hubba...
    Thanks so much for the pic, SWEET!!!

    It looks as if you have as much clearance with the arch as you do with the crown. That definitely helps, I was hoping I could keep the fork for the time being to lower my new build costs.

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    I know polishing took a while but c'mon...it's raw!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    OP updated with the build complete, still working on handlebar height etc.
    First ride with a new Haven 710 carbon handlebar today, much better fit than the 660 bar I had on to start with. Just need to cut down the donut holder now.

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    All looking GOOD there BritPOP..... Is that Ye Olde English Coffin Rest your shiny Americana is leant against?! Interesting juxtaposition
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    First ride with a new Haven 710 carbon handlebar today, much better fit than the 660 bar I had on to start with. Just need to cut down the donut holder now.
    Wanted to comment on your bars earlier but thought maybe it was an illusion. I was running 785 for the first few rides on the Burner and just rode with 725's. My wife has been sharing the Burner with me and has 685's on her spot so she was happy with the 725's. Ultimately I think I will end up with flat bars cut to 740.

    Yesterday was my first good long ride on the bike, steep loose techy up, and fast down. The bike was a blast, amazing climber and ripped back down.

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    Going with a new 55mm stem and my old flat 660 bars meant my natural grip had my hands hanging over the edge by an inch each side. The 710's felt great but the trails had too much snow to give a complete conclusion, but I definitely liked my hand position more. The change in height is minimal with a spacer removed from below the stem and the low rise of the Haven bar.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Britpop, can you tell me where you got your tyres, i have a burner on order im in England , have the wheels and forks but cant find any tyres anywhere at all in 650b....

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    Got mine from r2-bike.com , a german site, prices are usualy quite good although there is a postage charge but it is usualy offset by the euro/pound exchange rate.
    You could also add the following to your seach list
    Bike24
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    Bike Components
    All got some 650B stuff.
    All german sites so watch out for varying P&P + credit card charges, shipping takes about a week compared to CRC next day though.

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    Thanks mate, did you get the 3.35 HD..?
    Ive got 2.35 Minions on the 26" and wonder if the HD is comparable in size...

    DT on a email said the 2.25 may be best all round as the HD 2.35 is huge..

    How is the bike /// ?
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    2.35 HD trailstar on the front of mine, I like big tyres. (2.35 NN pacestar on rear).
    Not sure if the 2.25 HD's are available yet as I am looking for some myself to get around a fork clearance issue on a hardtail build I am doing.
    Early days on the Burner but am full of confidence it will be a keeper, only issue I have with it is a bit of stiction in the bushings which spoils the outrite buttery feel I know that the CCDB can give.

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    Just Thought,

    Does the burner come with the rear bolt through axle included...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CragRat View Post
    Just Thought,

    Does the burner come with the rear bolt through axle included...

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    Yes! My frame should be here tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CragRat View Post
    Just Thought,

    Does the burner come with the rear bolt through axle included...

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    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    New Burner

    Size large
    Starter build kit
    Shimano XTR crank
    Shimano XTR brakes
    Shimano XTR shifters
    Shimano XTR pedals
    Specialized carbon bars 710 mm
    Easton EA 90 stem 70 mm
    Thompson Masterpiece seat post
    WTB silverado saddle
    Nobby Nic 2.25 front and rear tires
    Oury grips
    Weight: 27 lbs
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    Quick Ride Report:
    I have owned a DW 5 Spot and I also have a 2012 Turner Sultan. Both the Sultan and 5 Spot are great bikes - I have ridden a lot of mountain bikes over the last several years and I always have a Turner as one of my rides. Over the last year I have mostly been riding my Sultan.

    I have been able to take the Burner out for a couple of rides. The trails I ride are a good mix - rocky, tight turns, long gradual climbs/descents, short steep climbs/descents.

    Some initial thoughts . . .
    I was really impressed with how well this bike maneuvered on the trail compared to the Sultan. The Burner definitely has a more playful feel to it compared to the Sultan.

    In the corners, the Burner tracked just as good if not better than the Sultan. I was able to maintain speed in corners without the wheels losing traction.

    In the rock gardens, the bike held its line really good and the DW suspension worked well to soak up the bumps. Perhaps the Sultan is a little more effective in the rock gardens but not much.

    The Burner accelerated really well as would be expected compared to the Sultan.

    The Burner, similar to the Spot and Sultan, climbed incredibly well particularly on technical climbs.

    On the descents, the Burner was stable and solid - Similar to the Sultan it was easy to control and manage on the descents

    I did not have to adjust my riding style going from the 29 Sultan to the 27.5 Sultan.

    I felt more in the cockpit and lower to the ground on the Burner compared to the Sultan.

    Overall, the Burner exceeded expectations. Like many have said the Burner does a nice job of combining the advantages of a 26er and a 29er. If you are in the market for a new trail bike, I would recommend the Burner be given serious consideration.

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    Nice looking ride! and nice review.

    I have 1 main question, as I work out which bike to buy this spring.

    I am drawn to this bike, and rode it at outterbike. I liked the geo, size, raised chainstay for quiet, name and quality.
    my only issue w/ that the suspension "spiked" before bottom on square edge hits. I wasn't the only one who felt it, and we all like turner. did they work this out w/ your production bikes? is the suspension smooth without that spikey feel on quick hits?

    Thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by holiday View Post
    Nice looking ride! and nice review.

    I have 1 main question, as I work out which bike to buy this spring.

    I am drawn to this bike, and rode it at outterbike. I liked the geo, size, raised chainstay for quiet, name and quality.
    my only issue w/ that the suspension "spiked" before bottom on square edge hits. I wasn't the only one who felt it, and we all like turner. did they work this out w/ your production bikes? is the suspension smooth without that spikey feel on quick hits?

    Thx!
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    I rode some square edge hits yesterday and the spike feeling was neglible. The Burner came with the 2013 Fox Float CTD. I had it set on "Trail".

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    ^^^ Thanks for the good review vs Spot/Sultan. Nice ride.

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    As I recall the shocks for those demos came with the wrong tune leading to a noticeably harsher ride. I can say from much experience that the Burner with a properly tuned shock does not spike on square edge hits, it just eats them up and grins.

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    Thx for the feedback. I was/am hoping it was corrected. I knew the shocks were not right, and they said as much, I just hadn't heard if they fixed it.

    I was drawn to the carbine 275 and tracer 275, but tracer is a bit overbuilt for me, and carbine a little tall, burner may be the way to go w/ the shock issue fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holiday View Post
    Thx for the feedback. I was/am hoping it was corrected. I knew the shocks were not right, and they said as much, I just hadn't heard if they fixed it.

    I was drawn to the carbine 275 and tracer 275, but tracer is a bit overbuilt for me, and carbine a little tall, burner may be the way to go w/ the shock issue fixed.

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    I was interested in the Carbine 275 as well . . . I personally prefer the DW link suspension over the VPP suspension. So that was a deciding factor.

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    I think some of the demo bikes harshness is from the chain growth of the DW platform design, but the demo bikes Rock Shock suspension wasn't as dialed in as the Sultans and 5 Spots I've ridden in the past which had fox suspension so I'd point some of the blame on the non standard suspension.

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    As as been stated over and over, sadly the demos did not have the correct Rock Shox that we had spent so much time testing and were happy with. But, that said, all the frames are shipping with Fox as that is what all our dealers and distributors wanted, and those are dialed in as Soulrider can attest. I have never ridden with 1SR, but I do know where he rides, and if he says they work in the rocks then I believe him!

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    hey dt, may this is a bit premature, but i am fairly sold on the burner being my next bike, but have heard they are sold out.... wondering about the next run timing and if there are any changes to be made. ? thanks

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    I get the same few questions every time someone sees my Burner...

    Q) Are the chainstays too long?
    A) No, absolutely not. The chainstays are designed to the length that appropriately accommodates the wheel size. It's not some wonky, twitchy 26er stuffed with oversized wheels. (This is proven as we ascend any given switchback)

    Q) Is the bottom bracket too high?
    A) Nope, I think it is low enough to be aggressive and high enough to avoid strikes.

    Q) How does it handle? (Virginia local)
    A) It jumped comfortably at Fountainhead, I cleaned a lot of the rock gardens at Signal Knob. So........ very well.


    Basically, I'm super excited about it! I need to stop riding it so much and get a few GoPro videos posted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Ha View Post
    I get the same few questions every time someone sees my Burner...

    Q) Are the chainstays too long?
    A) No, absolutely not. The chainstays are designed to the length that appropriately accommodates the wheel size. It's not some wonky, twitchy 26er stuffed with oversized wheels. (This is proven as we ascend any given switchback)

    Q) Is the bottom bracket too high?
    A) Nope, I think it is low enough to be aggressive and high enough to avoid strikes.

    Q) How does it handle? (Virginia local)
    A) It jumped comfortably at Fountainhead, I cleaned a lot of the rock gardens at Signal Knob. So........ very well.


    Basically, I'm super excited about it! I need to stop riding it so much and get a few GoPro videos posted!
    sweet!
    looking at your pic, I'd ask one more question, top tube too long?
    w/ a straight O offset post, and seat run as far forward on the rails as you can get. just the way you like it?

    PS, thanks turner bikes for the answer, glad to hear you worked it out. I was stoked to ride it, and dissapointed in the issue in moab, so glad to hear things are good.

    as with gnomer, wondering on availablity as well.

    thx,
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    Quote Originally Posted by holiday View Post
    sweet!
    looking at your pic, I'd ask one more question, top tube too long? w/ a straight O offset post, and seat run as far forward on the rails as you can get. just the way you like it?

    PS, thanks turner bikes for the answer, glad to hear you worked it out. I was stoked to ride it, and dissapointed in the issue in moab, so glad to hear things are good.

    as with gnomer, wondering on availablity as well.

    thx,
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    That's actually a good one considering the pic and my setup! Per a suggestion from a friend, I started running my saddle a bit forward to achieve a more upright body position. It straightens my neck and expands the torso (helps with breathing). I've also noticed this makes for a happier bum!

    The "PREDATORS" movie poster is doing some funny illusions with the handlebar as well.

    To answer your question- No, I don't feel the top tube is too long. I'm a "spirited" 5'-6" tall and feel very comfortable on the Medium frame.

    Let me know if you have any other questions!

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    We will have the next batch of Burners in about 5 weeks. A glitch in the purchasing dept left us with a hole in the supply chain, sorry for those that are waiting. No changes planned other than figure out the burnishing for a more consistent finish with the new vendors. The last time we did the burnished thing we were using SoCal vendors, now we are using Portland vendors and the challenge is to replicate the look. The first production run we just shipped was more 'frosty' and less mirror like, although most of the riders are happy.

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    I just got my frosty frame on monday-I think it looks great!

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    Mine was just straight raw like my DHR, perfect for the low maintenance nothing to scratch look.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Thanks DT. Glad to hear more on the way. I actually like the frosty mug look, too. Any different options in the laser etching on black ano? I liked LJ's Birner with the black logo.

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    Received my "frosty burner" on Monday as well. I like it.

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    ok I'm confused - Turner's website lists only RAW, then silver, black & orange. Do TB also have a burnished finish available for the Burner? Is it an upcharge? Just curious. I have a burnished '01 RFX and love the look. Once I sort out my potential move to BC I'll pull the trigger on a Burner and would love the same finish ...

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    I think there were 3 frames sent for burnishing and they did not meet the spec.
    One of these was sold to myself and others?
    I may be wrong....
    I like it!

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    I assumed that burnished was the same as silver, no?
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    Just received medium orange Burner tonight and it looks awesome.

    Is the rear derailleur hanger a direct mount unit? I'm having problems with the derailleur sliding over the hanger.

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    Just a normal hanger as far as your derailleur is concerned. When you say sliding over the hanger, what do you mean, the b-screw tab isn't contacting properly?
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    I thought the new frames eliminated the need to run the short linkage that contacts the b-screw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    I assumed that burnished was the same as silver, no?
    The website lists silver as an anodized finish. My understanding is a burnished finish is a raw frame that has gone through a ball burnishing process which results in a polished look. It's still a raw frame but a polished one with no clear coat, so with age it can fade a little. All it takes is a few hours with some polish and the mirror finish returns easily enough.

    I'm pretty stoked to see DT selling out of a frame with orders piling up. Nice problem to have!

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    No Shimano Direct Mount hanger, not even on the horizon. You Ed are the first of our customers that has even mentioned it, you win! If lots of riders want it, and SRAM adopts it then yes we will tool up for it. Otherwise, plain old hanger spec.

    Well, ancient frames that were Ball Burnished used to be tumbled and shipped. Which means that over time they would dull. Then some years ago the Flux's and all the rears were tumbled and then clear anodized which holds up a lot better as it is sealed against oxidizing. Now the Burners today are clear ano over ball burnished, and very much silver, they just were not as shiny as we had hoped. This is not to be confused with raw as that is 'mill finish' right outa the quench and more gray aluminum and not at all shiny. So the Burner has 4 finish options for this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Well, ancient frames that were Ball Burnished ...
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    Ouch ... I know I'm riding a 2001 frame, but ancient?!?! Either way, it still rides great but my heart is leaning towards a Burner now!

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    Pics of my Burner:

    https://plus.google.com/photos/10497...KCOnoHKuvnr2gE

    Still waiting on wheels and headset to complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    Pics of my Burner:

    https://plus.google.com/photos/10497...KCOnoHKuvnr2gE

    Still waiting on wheels and headset to complete.
    Looks great, love the color! Gonna be quite a nice bike when it's done.
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    Just finished my Burner build last weekend. Can't wait to hit the trails this coming weekend. Burner Build Thread-pics-003.jpgBurner Build Thread-pics-011.jpgBurner Build Thread-pics-008.jpgBurner Build Thread-pics-005.jpgBurner Build Thread-pics-007.jpg

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    Nice looking build, which Hope brakes are you using?
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    X2 in the rear and M4 on the front. Had them on my El Bastardo, I just love the Hope brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetman46 View Post
    X2 in the rear and M4 on the front. Had them on my El Bastardo, I just love the Hope brakes.
    Looks like the levers are long enough to use comfortably with gripshifters, too! Good to know there's an option besides Avid or last gen. Shimano...

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    Getting my pre-production version dialed, couple of photos to share and want to represent for the small riders. I'm 5-4 with 29 inch inseam, this one gives a good idea what my climbing seat height looks like.


    Couple of observations, over the past few years I've got accustomed to a low front end/bar height "aggressive" position, upward changes of a little as a 1/4" have been noticeable as I try different setups. The Burner feels high in the front and does effect my aggressiveness, keeping in mind I mostly ride my DHR. This made me realize that raising the BB on the production models could be considered a good thing for this situation as it would put me above the bars more. I will be doing some measuring and comparing with the DHR and I'm keeping this in mind as I look toward a 160 fork. Most likely going to a flat bar.

    Tires. Did a few rides on the 2.35 Nevegal front and 2.2 Wolverine rear, but I need more aggro tires so now I've got the 2.3 Hans Dampf up front and the Nevegal rear and soon HD front and rear. What surprised me was their was no change in BB height or HT angle between the Nevegal Wolverine combo and the HD Nevegal combo. I'm having more fun with the HD's for sure.

    Next planned change for me is rear shock. I need suggestions for coil spring weight for 150lb rider. Final dialed build when product starts showing up is low a2c 160 fork, flat bars, coil or other cool rear shock and High Roller II's. Been hitting lot's of assorted jumps but haven't taken it down our usual DH bike trails yet. Looking forward to it when I'm confident on my tires in particular.

    Here the Burner and DHR hanging out together.

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    When running the rear brake line, is there a recommendation for routing it? My first attempt was on the inside of both of the tubes for the rear triangle. There seems to be plenty of clearance from the tire.

    I'm second guessing myself and wondering if I should move the one closest to seat tube to the outside of the tube.

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    Outside, otherwise there's a chance it can catch on the tyre. There's also a spot to cable tie it to the linkage.

    edit: rotate the cable mount in your photo on the chainstay 180deg once you've put the brake outside the upright.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    On the Burner there is enough room to run the brake hose on the inside of the upright, and as 6th says, flip the clip 180 and that will snug it against the inside of the tube. See Airwrecks photo, that hose routing looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    On the Burner there is enough room to run the brake hose on the inside of the upright, and as 6th says, flip the clip 180 and that will snug it against the inside of the tube. See Airwrecks photo, that hose routing looks good.
    Thanks. I checked some pics of demo bikes last night to confirm my method. As 6th says, the hole in the rocker seems to be designed for a zip tie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritPOP View Post
    2.35 HD trailstar on the front of mine, I like big tyres. (2.35 NN pacestar on rear).
    Not sure if the 2.25 HD's are available yet as I am looking for some myself to get around a fork clearance issue on a hardtail build I am doing.
    Early days on the Burner but am full of confidence it will be a keeper, only issue I have with it is a bit of stiction in the bushings which spoils the outrite buttery feel I know that the CCDB can give.
    BritPOP, is the tread noticeably wider on the 2.35 HD compared to the 2.35 NN? Just mounted up a 2.35 NN today and was disappointed by how skinny it was.

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    I noticed my Burner (medium) came with a 100mm stem but the specs say 90mm. Just looking for recommendations as I may upgrade to a different one.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdmtnbkr View Post
    BritPOP, is the tread noticeably wider on the 2.35 HD compared to the 2.35 NN? Just mounted up a 2.35 NN today and was disappointed by how skinny it was.
    The 2.35 HD is a large volume tire, as big as some brands 2.5. It's a meaty tire with fairly decent grip (for a Schwalbe). The HD may be the best tire choice for aggressive Burner builds at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    I noticed my Burner (medium) came with a 100mm stem but the specs say 90mm. Just looking for recommendations as I may upgrade to a different one.

    Thanks,
    I would try a shorter stem, the Burner is designed around the longer top tube, shorter stem philosophy. How tall are you and what width are your bars?

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    5'8" and running stock width Enve bars

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    5'8" and running stock width Enve bars
    I would try a 75mm stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdmtnbkr View Post
    BritPOP, is the tread noticeably wider on the 2.35 HD compared to the 2.35 NN? Just mounted up a 2.35 NN today and was disappointed by how skinny it was.
    The tyres are very similar in size, mounted on Flow EX's both at approx 28psi. The HD measures 59mm across the body of the tyre with the knobs of the tread protruding slightly wider to 60mm across, with the NN those numbers are roughly reversed.
    They do have very different appearance though with the NN you see a lot of tyre body/carcass with regular spaced out tread knobs. With the HD the appearance is more dominated by the larger and taller more aggresive knobs.
    Can't comment too much on performance as I have limited trail time so far, although I would say the HD packs with mud quicker and takes longer to clear.

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    While checking cable clearance during suspension travel, I noticed the suspension became very hard at the end of the stroke. When I looked further, the front derailleur is contacting the lower DW-Link. (see pics) It only does this when it's in the granny gear.

    Did I install something wrong or has anyone else noticed this?

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    What part # front derailleur are you using? Mine clears a Shimano FD-M786 at full suspension compression.

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    Here's some more pics. In terms of the type of derailleur, it's whatever model that came with the complete bike kit from Turner. The only option I can think to make this work is slide the derailleur up the seat tube. However, that will take it out of spec from what Shimano recommends via the the sticker they place on the guide.

    The last three pics in this album were taken this morning:

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