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    Anything really better out there than the Spot?

    Hey guys, I've been riding a 2009 DW 5spot as my one-bike for the last 3 years, set up to be effective and enjoyable on aerobic trail rides pushing the ups as well as downs, not too XC and not too aggressive. (150mm up front, 1 degree saar angle set, triple chainrings, 2.2" tires - more aggressive in front and faster roller on the rear, etc).
    Lots has been going on during these 3 years - carbon, 27.5" wheels, etc. But for the first time ever, after replacing frames every 2 years and feeling a significant improvement each time (Horst link Spot --> TNT RFX --> DW Spot), I am really hesitant to switch to another bike - mainly fearing I will spend good money and end up with something not really any better. Its really a great bike.

    - Has anyone here got a chance to compare the new breed of 5" Carbon 26ers (Intense Carbine, Mojo SLR, Mojo HD 140 etc) to the DW 5Spot and found that direction to be worth it?
    - Has anyone here got the chance to thoroughly compare the 27.5" Burner to the 5Spot built similarly and care to share?

    Thanks for any input!
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    a 2012 5 spot would be better,just due to the geometry and stiffer rear thru axle. as far as other bikes u mentioned you are only goin on personal likes or dislikes. had ibis hd, like the the turner better,carbon hd bike weighs a little less but still like the turner feel better. obviously the slr would be lighter and different geo.

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    Burpp thanks. I am definitely looking for subjective personal thoughts of people that relate to my riding description. I am using a 1 degree angle set so I am pretty close to the updated 2012 geometry already. Just trying to figure out of there is anything out there worth a serious thought of upgrading to or not. 27.5" included.
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    Tough to say and a fear that I have as well. My DW spots are so dialed right now for what I ride. If I have to replace them with something other than another DW 5 spot I am concerned that I would be disappointed.

    I am intrigued by the Burner though. Since it is a cousin to the spot the rides should be similar. I have demoed the mach 5.7 alloy and 5.7 carbon and still like the spot better. I am geographically obligated to demo Pivots.

    In addition to the ride quality, the warranty service, mission to build bikes that last (in the US no less) and the Turner for Turner program make it a slam dunk that my next bikes will be Turners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    In addition to the ride quality, the warranty service, mission to build bikes that last (in the US no less) and the Turner for Turner program make it a slam dunk that my next bikes will be Turners.

    Bobo
    As much as I want to try other brands of bikes, this ^^^^^^ is what'll most likely keep me on a Turner. Plus, a 35 min drive up the highway, I'm at the Turner headquarters where you'll be well taken care of.

    No experience with any of the bikes you listed, so can't help you there.

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    As a mountain bike that you can ride on everything but the gnarliest DH stuff, I don't think there is another 26" bike that can compete. So no, I would say that there is nothing better than the Spot out there.

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    Unlike all of those bikes mentioned, the DW 5Spot has elevated chainstays. Nothing hanging below the BB. I had a 1st Generation Mojo and it was always catching/bottoming on rocks.

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    It might be interesting to check in with the Ibis, Pivot etc forums. Almost certainly folks there that have ridden both and preferred the non-Turner option. I am also just hitting three years on my 2010 5 Spot and still lovin' it. I picked up a discounted Flux over a year ago and have not build it up yet - love the Spot a LOT .

    One of the things that makes the Spot a very comfortable and inspiring bike for me is that I feel very comfortable throwing it around with wild abandon and don't worry about breaking it (broke my previous Burner and ('99) Titus QM frames twice each). It feels overbuilt for me and I like that comfort.

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    What got me to replace my 03 Spot with a 11 DW Spot was the steepish seat angle. I can't bring myself to get a bike with a 71-72 deg SA. I need my saddle slightly forward of centre on a straight seat post on my Spot now! In my experience a slack seat angle makes climbing steep sections very difficult.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Yep, pretty hard to beat the Spot for all-around XC-AM riding.

    I've ridden the Burner though not extensively and was pretty excited about the 650b advantages it afforded but it didn't feel sooooo different from my 2010 Spot that I had to run out and get one. If I was getting new 2013 Turner I'd be somewhat torn between the 5Spot and the Burner....but would probably opt for the Burner.

    If you want to go lighter or prefer carbon for some reason I would look at the Pivot Mach 5.7, the Blur LTc, the Mojo,and the Carbine 275 (which we really liked although we weren't that impressed with the 26" Carbine which was set up more for XC with a 32 Fox fork and light parts/wheels.)

    Not saying any of those are superior to the 5 Spot though. It's a dang good bike.

    Now if you want something a little heavier/beefier in the 160 travel range that spreads the gap between Trail and moderate FR pretty well there are some other options you might want to consider..... but that's a whole 'nuther thread.
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    edited due to wrong place to ask my question
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    A Pivot 5.7, 26" Carbine felt a lot more skittish than a 2012 Spot. I also didn't care for VPP or Pivotsapplication of the DW link. Turners have always ridden great and I always felt at home on the 5 Turner frames I owned. I am currently on a Knolly and love the 4x4 suspension and the way you have to really ride it. It's not a bike you sort of hang off the back of if that makes sense. If I was looking at a 140mm travel bike it would be a toss up between the Spot or the Endorphin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    If I was looking at a 140mm travel bike it would be a toss up between the Spot or the Endorphin.
    I'd have to respectfully disagree on that one - Spot wins hands down between those two IMO (and I love my other Knolly 160mm bike). Regardless, KRob nailed it in his reply.

    The other thing to factor into these decisions is the people standing behind the product and you'll be hard pressed to find better support & customer service than Dave Turner & Co.

    Edit: IMO, unless you have need to move to Carbon, coil shock, or 650B, I'd stick with your existing Spot. Maybe send it in for a refurb?
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    my last bike, a 09 5 spot set up with a 1 degree saar headset and a 160mm bos deville fork, is exactly as you describe yours - the best trail bike i have ever owned. Period. Foolishly i replaced it with a 2012 5 spot though, though the 09 is now my brothers bike so can take it out as much as i want when i am at home

    I've really only tried the 2012 3 times with suspension that wasn't set up properly at all (due to the lack of a shock pump, stupidly, too much pressure up front, not enough in the rear..) and at present it needs a bit of tweaking before it will be able to match the 09s eminent handling. The 1.5 degree works headset i put on it might've been overkill for the bikes all around abilities and as of now the bike doesn't feel in sync with itself. The build quality of the 2012 far surpasses the 09 though. The ano black frame is simply a work of art. As it is now the bike descends like a bat out of hell, but its lower, longer and slacker nature necessitates a bit of a style redefinition. I've also decided to give clips a try so i can be a bit more over the front As a downhiller i am more than used to slack bikes with long wheelbases, so i should adjust rapidly

    My advice to you; figure out if you really need a new bike first, and if you do - look no further than at Turners worthy steed. The 2012 has taken a step in the enduro direction as compared to the 09, but should still be a worthy upgrade for you. See if you can demo one, and if all else fails, keep the 09 as a back up I can't see myself buying any other trail bike than a 5 spot simply because it is an awesome bike made by awesome people who back their products 100%, far above and beyond what we really can expect. If you really want a carbon bike, try the HD out. My plan initially was to get the HD, but got a killer deal on the Spot and haven't regretted the move a single time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezwhip View Post
    I'd have to respectfully disagree on that one - Spot wins hands down between those two IMO (and I love my other Knolly 160mm bike). Regardless, KRob nailed it in his reply.

    The other thing to factor into these decisions is the people standing behind the product and you'll be hard pressed to find better support & customer service than Dave Turner & Co.

    Edit: IMO, unless you have need to move to Carbon, coil shock, or 650B, I'd stick with your existing Spot. Maybe send it in for a refurb?
    Opinions are like ar$eholes - everyone has one. Absolutely if you want a very capable 5" bike you would not be unhappy with a Spot. I miss mine from time to time but I don't think you need to worry about Knolly standing behind their products either.

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    Not saying Knolly doesn't support their product, just that the (new) Endo falls far short in comparison to the Spot.
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    In the 140 class you'd be hard pressed to find a better bike than the newest Spot. I rode an 09/10 Spot for 2+ years and then moved to the 2011. The 2012/13 is definitely more refined and so clean. I really like the 2011+ geometry changes over the 2009/10. The lower BB, slacker HA and slightly longer WB are great. The bike is slightly less quick handling than the 09/10 but it's so darn stiff that it just goes wherever you point it, fast. So it doesn't feel like a slow handling bike at all. I like that I can run a 160 fork now with a ZS headset and get geometry that I feel is perfect for all around riding in rocks and ledges (13.7 BB, 66.5ish HA, 44.875 WB on a large). On my 2010 I had a Revelation at 150, now a Fox 36 at 160. The bike climbs better now even with the taller fork due to what I think is the steeper STA so it's a win-win up and down.

    BTW - I tried a new Knolly Endorphin recently and it was not on the same level as my Spot going up or down, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    In the 140 class you'd be hard pressed to find a better bike than the newest Spot. I rode an 09/10 Spot for 2+ years and then moved to the 2011. The 2012/13 is definitely more refined and so clean. I really like the 2011+ geometry changes over the 2009/10.

    BTW - I tried a new Knolly Endorphin recently and it was not on the same level as my Spot going up or down, IMO.
    I think Lance's experience is what tald is trying to avoid. Not sure he will be able to though. The new bike pull is a tough thing to overcome.

    I agree on the '11 geo changes. The last two days I rode the '11 after the prior 4 rides on the '10. The '11 is just better in every way. Climbing and descending it is "faster" than the '10.

    After rolling to the house today I was thinking I should sell the '10 frame for another '11 if I could find it. Since the warranty transfers I would feel comfortable buying a used '11.

    Probably just keep riding them both until I can try a Burner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tald View Post
    Hey guys, I've been riding a 2009 DW 5spot as my one-bike for the last 3 years, set up to be effective and enjoyable on aerobic trail rides pushing the ups as well as downs, not too XC and not too aggressive. (150mm up front, 1 degree saar angle set, triple chainrings, 2.2" tires - more aggressive in front and faster roller on the rear, etc).
    Lots has been going on during these 3 years - carbon, 27.5" wheels, etc. But for the first time ever, after replacing frames every 2 years and feeling a significant improvement each time (Horst link Spot --> TNT RFX --> DW Spot), I am really hesitant to switch to another bike - mainly fearing I will spend good money and end up with something not really any better. Its really a great bike.

    - Has anyone here got a chance to compare the new breed of 5" Carbon 26ers (Intense Carbine, Mojo SLR, Mojo HD 140 etc) to the DW 5Spot and found that direction to be worth it?
    - Has anyone here got the chance to thoroughly compare the 27.5" Burner to the 5Spot built similarly and care to share?

    Thanks for any input!
    I have spent time on a lot of 5 & 6" trail bikes over the last few years, including the Carbine and Mojo HD.

    What I found was this:

    There are a lot of good bikes these days, in fact it is tough to find a really bad one.
    Two companies using the same type of suspension can have a quite different feel on the trail.
    For example: a Santa Cruz does not ride like an Intense, a Norco is not a Specialized, and the Turner DW has a different feel than a Mojo or a Pivot.

    I found I prefer the feel of Turner's use of DW better than the other two, it works better for me on the trails I ride. The Spot dressed in trail/all mountain kit just kills it on techy trails.
    The Spot's brisk feel at the pedals combined with it's attack everything attitude on the trail make for a confidence inspiring ride. The super stout frame (especially the '12 w/ the 142 rear end) is an important part of why this bike feels so good.

    I found the Carbine to feel more xc orientated, it felt higher and steeper in it's angles. While more laterally stiff than the aluminum Intense bikes I have spent time on, the Carbine was still a long ways away from what I am used to on my Spot.

    The HD was fun, but Mojo's use of DW is much less supple feeling than Turners. I felt like the rear of the bike was chopping it's way though the rocks, not really settling into it's travel and soaking up the hits.

    The one trailbike I have ridden in the last couple years that really impressed me was the Yeti SB66. I have never really cared for any of the Yetis I have ridden over the years, so I was not expecting much. The SB66 was very stout, had good feeling geo, and the suspension behavior was excellent.

    The Burner is an interesting option, I am building one now to compare with my Spot and try to find which is the better trailbike (for me anyway).

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    I'll chime in on the Mojo/HD option. The original Mojo's suspension characteristics appear to be tuned very much for cross country. The suspension couldn't deal well with big hits; it was very frustrating to setup in the way to balance pedaling and small bump performance with big high performance. It required a heavy compromise in both.

    The HD suspension is a huge improvement. It is still challenging in setup but after some time and many shocks I've settled on the medium tune Monarch RC3 and it is surprisingly awesome considering my dissatisfaction with the Monarch RT and the CCDB air (not to mention the stock Fox). The HD140 suspension characteristics are analogous to the original Mojo's, I would advise against it.

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    nothing better

    except more than one spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    except more than one spot
    I kind of agree with you freebiker. I love my Spot built heavy, and loved it built light. Kind of need 2 Spots. Genius!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezwhip View Post
    Not saying Knolly doesn't support their product, just that the (new) Endo falls far short in comparison to the Spot.
    I wouldn't say that the new Endorphin falls far short of the 5 Spot. It's just a different class of bike (despite the fact that they're both 140mm). The new Endorphin is much more XC/Trail oriented. Fast, firm, and light. More comparable to a Flux, or Mojo SL from my brief ride on it and from what others have said.

    IMO the 5 Spot really is more comparable to the Chilcotin (Maybe if LncNuvue had gone with the Chili and built it up in the 30-32lb range he'd still be riding a Knolly... who knows?). I think the Chil spreads the gap into the aggressive AM/moderate FR territory better than the Spot with it's adjustibility, extra weight, ability to take a 180 fork, and 20mm more rear travel, but with similar builds and on more average trails, they are very similar... with each having slight advantages here and there.

    Still, it is suprising how far into that relm the 5 Spot will go when built up properly despite having "only" 140mm of rear wheel travel. Not sure the new Endo will do that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I wouldn't say that the new Endorphin falls far short of the 5 Spot. It's just a different class of bike (despite the fact that they're both 140mm). The new Endorphin is much more XC/Trail oriented. Fast, firm, and light. More comparable to a Flux, or Mojo SL from my brief ride on it and from what others have said.
    My Endo was a 1/2 lighter than my Spot but pedaled like a heavier bike. It wasn't good enough on the downs to justify the lackluster climbing. The bar was set high since I was comparing it directly to my Spot, same build, etc. IMO the beauty of the DW Link as it's applied to the Spot is that there's no compromise when setting up the suspension. Dial it to bomb the downs and it still climbs like a goat without flipping any levers.

    Based on how the Endo climbed there is no way I would have liked a Chili for the trails I ride most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    I agree on the '11 geo changes. The last two days I rode the '11 after the prior 4 rides on the '10. The '11 is just better in every way. Climbing and descending it is "faster" than the '10.
    Good call on the geo changes starting 2011 - it does make a huge difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I wouldn't say that the new Endorphin falls far short of the 5 Spot. It's just a different class of bike (despite the fact that they're both 140mm). The new Endorphin is much more XC/Trail oriented. Fast, firm, and light. More comparable to a Flux, or Mojo SL from my brief ride on it and from what others have said.
    Well put. I hadn't thought about it in those terms but the Endo & the Spot really are in different classes. I suppose what's deceptive is that by looking at the travel/geo, it's easy make the assumption that its apples-to-apples.

    I'd agree that the Spot really spans the middle between the Endo & Chili - (off-topic: ) I wish we had the legendary phantom RFX & new vaporware Delirium to see how the vertical compares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    My Endo was a 1/2 lighter than my Spot but pedaled like a heavier bike. It wasn't good enough on the downs to justify the lackluster climbing. The bar was set high since I was comparing it directly to my Spot, same build, etc. IMO the beauty of the DW Link as it's applied to the Spot is that there's no compromise when setting up the suspension. Dial it to bomb the downs and it still climbs like a goat without flipping any levers.

    Based on how the Endo climbed there is no way I would have liked a Chili for the trails I ride most.
    That makes sense. I didn't realize you didn't like how the Endo climbed. Definitely sounds like a dw-link and anti-squat over 4x4/HL with more squat preference.

    I agree then, if you didn't like how the Endo climbed you would've hated the Chili (on the climbs).

    I also agree that Turner's version of the dw-link is the best out there. More plush and responsive yet still solid and firm on smooth climbs and sprints than some of the other short-mid travel iterations out there.
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    Rode the 2012 5-spot, Burner demo and Knolly Chilcotin . . .

    As someone else mentioned, Chilcotin feels more burly, free ride oriented, sweet rig with a bottomless suspension but definitely more gravity oriented.

    Burner, not to sound hackish but it does retain most qualities of 26 with the roll-ability, momentum and speed of a niner. Wasn't pinning it on this ride but grabbed 2 strava PRs so hard to argue with the end results. The only situations I noticed the larger wheel size were 4' or greater drops in which they felt a tad awkward, just my personal feeling and probably something one becomes familiar with over time. This is also only 5 seconds of 2 hour ride so one would need to prioritize.

    Love the Spot, leaning toward one as my next ride. Call me 26" grouch but I just have more fun on the smaller wheels. If I ever get serious about racing I think the times laid down on larger wheels speaks for it self though.

    Turner wins hands down on build quality. Frame welds, anodizing, the attention to detail is amazing!

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    Anything really better out there than the Spot? -- > NONE!

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    Can a spot stack up well against a nomad or an ibis hd as far as enduro racing is concerned?

    I own a spot and I love it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGavin View Post
    Can a spot stack up well against a nomad or an ibis hd as far as enduro racing is concerned?

    I own a spot and I love it!!
    As far as I can tell so far, my DW Spot stacks up against my RFX and outperforms it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGavin View Post
    Can a spot stack up well against a nomad or an ibis hd as far as enduro racing is concerned?
    The Mojo HD could take a 180mm fork, whereas the Spot could not. That is the Spots limitation, but if you where happy with a 160mm fork then maybe (from what I have read on this forum) the Spot is as good/ better.

    The power of "Internet Speculation" is very strong. I read that there is a lot of love for the Mojo HD at the moment as a defacto standard for the super enduro race scene. Prior to reading this thread I was thinking that the next logical progression from the Spot was 160mm rear travel frame, and that this pointed towards the Mojo HD, however after reading the knowledgeable comments above I now appreciate that my Spot is well, spot on. I wouldn't want to run a 180mm fork anyhow.

    My future is pointing towards another Spot or a Burner. Need a Lyrik class fork for a 27.5er first though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanopatoni View Post
    Need a Lyrik class fork for a 27.5er first though.
    +1 on this.

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    Spot. Aka. Mojohd killer

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    So many good bikes now a days. It is tough for a company like Turner. I like Turner because of the durability of them and the customer support.

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    Oh, and there's the Firebird, that too......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Delirium is.
    I own a ' 11 Delirium and an '05 Spot. I have just got my hands on a '12 Spot to replace the '05, but havent built it up yet. Im not sure you can fairly compare the 170mm Delirium with the 140mm Spot? They are a different class of bike in my opinion. Sure, you 'can' pedal the Delirium on most trails, but will it work as well as the Spot? My opinion is no. Likewise, will the Spot descend as well as a Delirium? Not in my experience.
    I believe the OP was trying to compare bikes in the same class, these two bikes are definitely different breeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Based on how the Endo climbed there is no way I would have liked a Chili for the trails I ride most.
    I have no experience on a DW 5-Spot but as you may remember from a previous thread, I spent a week in Sedona riding a Mojo HD last November. I loved the Mojo HD, I thought it was a brilliant bike and a lot of fun to ride. I knew that it wasn't as planted and stable as the Chilcotin but really appreciated the pedaling characteristics.

    In December, I went back to Arizona and this time I brought my bike, a Knolly Chilcotin. I was fully prepared to experience disappointment in the pedaling department and was hoping that the downhills would make up for it. Conditions were also much worse than in November: recent rains had left the dirt tacky but the slickrock very true to its name. Lo and behold, the Chilcotin really surprised me: not only it killed it on the downhills but it provided ridiculous traction on the climbs. I have never cleaned as much of this Highline and Hogs climbs as I did this time around. The bite out of the 4x4 suspension was truly unexpected.

    I don't know if overall I was faster on the Mojo HD or the Chilcotin. However, the difference in traction and stability was quite noticeable. The HD had a Conti TK 2.2 UST Black Chili front and rear tires and Fox 34 Float CTD/Float CTD fork and shock, while my bike had a Minion DHF 2.5/Schwalbe HD Trailstar front/rear tires, and Lyrik 170/CCDB Air fork/shock combo.

    Ultimately, I would be very happy on either bike. If I could have them both I would ride the HD one day and the Chilcotin the next. As a "big" bike, I prefer the Chilcotin and live with the slightly less crisp pedaling, which becomes a small trade-off with a well tuned quality rear shock. For a more all-round trail bike on less demanding terrain, I would probably prefer the HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    I have no experience on a DW 5-Spot but as you may remember from a previous thread, I spent a week in Sedona riding a Mojo HD last November. I loved the Mojo HD, I thought it was a brilliant bike and a lot of fun to ride. I knew that it wasn't as planted and stable as the Chilcotin but really appreciated the pedaling characteristics.

    In December, I went back to Arizona and this time I brought my bike, a Knolly Chilcotin. I was fully prepared to experience disappointment in the pedaling department and was hoping that the downhills would make up for it. Conditions were also much worse than in November: recent rains had left the dirt tacky but the slickrock very true to its name. Lo and behold, the Chilcotin really surprised me: not only it killed it on the downhills but it provided ridiculous traction on the climbs. I have never cleaned as much of this Highline and Hogs climbs as I did this time around. The bite out of the 4x4 suspension was truly unexpected.

    I don't know if overall I was faster on the Mojo HD or the Chilcotin. However, the difference in traction and stability was quite noticeable. The HD had a Conti TK 2.2 UST Black Chili front and rear tires and Fox 34 Float CTD/Float CTD fork and shock, while my bike had a Minion DHF 2.5/Schwalbe HD Trailstar front/rear tires, and Lyrik 170/CCDB Air fork/shock combo.

    Ultimately, I would be very happy on either bike. If I could have them both I would ride the HD one day and the Chilcotin the next. As a "big" bike, I prefer the Chilcotin and live with the slightly less crisp pedaling, which becomes a small trade-off with a well tuned quality rear shock. For a more all-round trail bike on less demanding terrain, I would probably prefer the HD.
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    Comparing my DW Spot to the Chili, the Spot feels like you're squirting forward as you pedal while the Chili feels like it hunkers down and claws over the chunder. While not as "crisp" as the DW, the Chili surprisingly holds its own pedaling/climbing.

    Honestly, I think the Chili is a bigger class of bike than the Spot - it's my RFX placeholder (not playing second fiddle to anything mind you as it is a stellar bike). However, if Dave ever gets an asian factory slot squared away to produce the DW RFX, I'll be ready to plunk $$$ down for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    ...I don't know if overall I was faster on the Mojo HD or the Chilcotin. However, the difference in traction and stability was quite noticeable. The HD had a Conti TK 2.2 UST Black Chili front and rear tires and Fox 34 Float CTD/Float CTD fork and shock, while my bike had a Minion DHF 2.5/Schwalbe HD Trailstar front/rear tires, and Lyrik 170/CCDB Air fork/shock combo...
    I'd venture a wager than if the HD was built up with a proper fork like the Lyrik and some meatier rubber (although the TK 2.2s aren't too shabby) you'd find it plenty more planted and stable.

    Nevertheless, I haven't ridden the Chilcotin but I'd imagine the suspension squats quite a bit on the climbs akin to the Horst Link as the additional linkage pieces control the shock rate not suspension behavior.

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    Here's a great vid showing off the HD in the wild:
    (after all, it's Friday)

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/31175717" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/31175717">Leaf Peeping on Lithium</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/whiteford">Andrew Whiteford</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    I'd venture a wager than if the HD was built up with a proper fork like the Lyrik and some meatier rubber (although the TK 2.2s aren't too shabby) you'd find it plenty more planted and stable.

    Nevertheless, I haven't ridden the Chilcotin but I'd imagine the suspension squats quite a bit on the climbs akin to the Horst Link as the additional linkage pieces control the shock rate not suspension behavior.

    _MK
    I actually enjoyed the new Fox 34 Float CTD 160 quite a bit. In the trail setting it did everything it should and was very composed. The air spring was finally on the money, gone is the super-progressive feel of every Fox air spring I have tried before and the damping was well matched to the spring.

    It's shorter than a Fox 36 or Lyrik but the steeper head angle wasn't a deal breaker. I rode several of the steeper trails in Sedona and never felt sketched out. The whole bike was incredibly precise on the steep and exposed moves, and as I said I really thought it was a brilliant bike.

    I also had a chance to try the bike shop owner's personal HD built with a Vivid Air and a Lyrik RC2 DH 170. Unfortunately the trails I took it on where not the steepest but as far as climbing goes, the HD "lite" with the shorter fork was much more sprightly and maneuverable. Downhill, the Vivid provided a more controlled and smooth ride.

    If I could only have one bike, it probably would be it. Given that I am lucky and have more dedicated frames, I chose to separate my bikes a bit more.

    The Trail King really impressed me as well, so much so that I have bought a 2.2 and 2.4 to ride on my bikes. I reached for the TK 2.2 UST in Phoenix but was not able to set it up tubeless (weak compressor at my friend's house and I did not have a rim strip with me), so on the Hans Dampf went.

    The Chilcotin pedals very differently from Turner TNT and HL bikes. It's very neutral and certainly doesn't surge with every pedal stroke like a DW link bike, but it also doesn't squat the way other 4-bar bikes I have ridden in the past. cheezwhip said it very well, it digs in and crawls over stuff without feeling sluggish.

    A big difference with the HD is frame weight. A medium Chilcotin with a CCDB Air shock is 8.2lbs if I remember correctly, so almost two pounds heavier than the HD.

    Sorry for all this HD talk, but in a thread that asks about competition for the 5 Spot, I feel that this is one of the most relevant frames. At the Whole Enchilada enduro race in Moab the two frames that recurred most frequently were the Yeti SB-66 and the Ibis Mojo HD. I saw 3 Chilcotins (me, Dusty Bottoms, and another dude), 1 DW Sultan (this is really a course made for 29ers: Kelli Emmett schooled most of the guys on her Anthem X 29) and Krispy from Go-ride on his SB-95, among other bikes.

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    Fantastic riding! And very well shot, too. Lots of camera angles and multiple perspectives really show off the skills. Makes the HD look like a hell of a ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Here's a great vid showing off the HD in the wild:
    (after all, it's Friday)

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/31175717" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/31175717">Leaf Peeping on Lithium</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/whiteford">Andrew Whiteford</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    That was a cool video!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Here's a great vid showing off the HD in the wild:
    (after all, it's Friday)

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/31175717" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/31175717">Leaf Peeping on Lithium</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/whiteford">Andrew Whiteford</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    amazing video. love that dog by the way, wish i had a trail riding companion like that
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    The cool thing about a 5 spot is that having a E stay can fit a sealed drive without modifying the frame
    I need one now!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Here's a great vid showing off the HD in the wild:
    (after all, it's Friday)

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    Great video, of an amazing bike on perfect trails. IMHO the Spot could keep up here. This is the sort of trail the Spot is designed to ride is it not?

    I'm not saying I could keep up on my Spot though as jumps scare me, but the chunk and speed suits me fine

    Thanks for posting MK_

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    During the last few years, I have been riding HL Flux, 5Spot, 6Pack, DW 5Spot and Sultan and also had the opportunity to ride the new Burner enough to have an opinion.
    I must also comment that I do not ride aggressively fast any more but gnarly stuff and a lot of climb.
    IMHO I used to think that if you can only afford one bike the Turner 5Spot is the one, if you want a bike that climb but also shuttle downhill as well, a bike that can be built to suit your needs, a bike that is burly enough not to worry about when you are facing an ugly trail, the 5Spot is the ONE.
    But and always is a but you want a light bike that perform very well only uphill, a bling bike to impress your fellow riders no matter how it performs then the 5Spot it is not the ONE.
    In the other hand I must said that I moved to the 29er pack since I feel the stability and displacement is more suited to my ride style now days, I found in the Sultan the 5Spot big brother who lead me wherever my capacities can.
    The new Burner is an excellent balance of the both worlds. A cool geometry, very good climber, fast, light and with the benefits of the bigger wheels.
    And finally if you want a bike with a name and a company behind with a superlative customer support then ANY Turner could be the one.
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