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    Anyone running a 120 mm fork on a newer Sultan?

    Planning to trade in the 2007 Spot for a Sultan. Would like to build the Sultan up in the 28-29# range (XL) so that its versatility is maximized, as climbing is something I like and do an extensive amount of here in CO. I race too, so part of me wishes I could go with the Czar, but its just too much of a premium for my needs, especially since I have a Ti hardtail which is my designated race bike. But, a 28+ Sultan would be versatile enough for some shorter, more rocky endurance type races (Leadville 50), while still being bomber for the Monarch Crest type rides. Just curious if there is any experience to share regarding compromising a little travel up front for the weight savings. Would the BB be too low. Would it feel more sluggish on the climbs? Any experience on this topic you could share would be appreciated.

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    My 2011 Sultan came direct from Turner with a 120 fork, I eventually switched to a 140, but it works great either way. I didn't notice a big change climbing, maybe a little better with the 120. It was slightly more maneuverable in tight sections with the shorter fork too. The 140 was better for aggressive descents, jumps, etc. I didn't think it was a huge change though and I wouldn't hesitate to run a 120 on a Sultan.

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    I'll be going with the Turner upgrade package, which seems to default to the Fox 34 140, but I'll ask if they could supplement with the 120, as your feedback confirms what I was hoping to hear. I'd prefer to run it a little less slack for the added agility you described. Thanks for the comments.

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    For my XC/Not So Gnar trail riding where most of my rides involve a few thousand feet of climbing, I'm perfectly happy with my 2011 Sultan with a 120mm Reba and am a little nervous about what a 140mm travel fork would do to the handling both on the steep climbs on the tight singletrack that I often find myself on. Maybe once I get a Czar, it won't matter so much.

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    I started my '12 XL Sultan with a White Brothers Loop at 140mm, but felt it wandered a bit on steep technical climbs, even though high speed downs were great- I switched to 120 and like the extra snap, and don't feel it lost too much on downs. I use 180 cranks and don't notice excess pedal hits- for me, for mostly xc riding on the front range 120mm on the front is good.

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    The current Sultan was designed around a 120 fork, and rides great with it. Probably even more so now that Fox has reinforced the 120 chassis a bit (it used to be identical to the 100).

    I put a 140 on mine, and it's OK, but a bit too "chopperish" for my tastes. I think you'll love the 120 option.
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    I've runned my '11 Sultan with several forks - 140mm Marzocchi 44 RC3Ti (29" lowers), 140mm Marzocchi MicroTi 29, Fox F29 Float 120, now I ride Fox 34 Float @130mm (10mm spacer right form Fox). As you can see I've tested both 140 and 120mm setups and choosed to stay "in between". 140mm makes Sultan e bit more enduro oriented, 120mm is a very nice trail setup.

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    I have 2 Sultans, a 2009 with 120mm Fox and 2012 with 140mm Fox, and I like the later. Even though 2012 wanders on climbs, the confidence it gives on downhill is superb. I bottom out my 2009 Sultan with 120mm and it scares me. I ride in desert rocky trail and 140mm is just perfect to my liking.

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    Thanks for all of the feedback! Initially I have decided to go with the 140, although I might certainly consider the 10mm spacer to reduce to 130mm as that does sound like it would be a sweet spot. My only intent is to reduce the wander a little for the longer climbs, without diminishing the downhill ability. Thanks again all for the comments.

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    My 2013 Sultan has a 140 Fox fork on it. We don't have a lot of serious climbing here in Michigan, but I was up in Copper Harbor last week. The most climbing I've done to date, as most of the trails would lead up to Brockway Mountain. It was about 1000' vertical for trails that were 3-4 miles long with some decently steep sections. I tried climbing in both trail mode and locked out. Not enough difference for me, so I left it in trail mode for the climbs after that first day.....then put it in max for the downhill flow trails

    BTW......mine weighs 28.6 pounds with a large frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Kid View Post
    My 2013 Sultan has a 140 Fox fork on it. We don't have a lot of serious climbing here in Michigan, but I was up in Copper Harbor last week. The most climbing I've done to date, as most of the trails would lead up to Brockway Mountain. It was about 1000' vertical for trails that were 3-4 miles long with some decently steep sections. I tried climbing in both trail mode and locked out. Not enough difference for me, so I left it in trail mode for the climbs after that first day.....then put it in max for the downhill flow trails

    BTW......mine weighs 28.6 pounds with a large frame.
    My 2010 Sultan has a Magura 120mm travel, works great.

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    I tried mine at 120, 130 and 140 and kept it at 140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    I put a 140 on mine, and it's OK, but a bit too "chopperish" for my tastes. I think you'll love the 120 option.
    Hi Kosmo et al. I am kind of opposite this thread... I have an older Sultan and would like to go 'chopper' and put a 140 fork where the 120 Fox f29 FIT 32 used to be... I got my bike in 2009 but am not sure if you'd call that a 2010 or 2009... (was there a change in the model right at that time?) It definitely has the Taco gusset.

    So my question is what spec's am i looking for in a new fork? At least in the interface with the bike? Anything i should be aware of? I like the look of the Fox 34 float 29 140 FIT CTD Remote, which comes with a 1.5" taper steerer... would that fit this ancient bike?

    There is also the Rockshox Pike or Revelation (Saw your post Kosmo, about the tighter chassis on the pike improving the height off the ground issue).. Would the Revelation be an 'upgrade' over the Fox f29 32 that I have?

    Edit: Just to explain my motives. I have a 100mm Carbon XC bike on the way, so I plan to dare-I-say Enduro'ize my Sultan... Said loosely, since I don't plan to race.
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    Do you have a 44mm headtube? You need it for the tapered fork. I think the 44 headtube was introduced in 2011 but I could be wrong..

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    I recently replaced my 140mm fork and got a Marzocchi 44 STA. It's height adjustable from 140 to 110 with the flip of a switch, works great in both modes. I didn't think I'd use the switch much but I love having the adjustability. Great to have the option on long rides with a lot of climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    Do you have a 44mm headtube? You need it for the tapered fork. I think the 44 headtube was introduced in 2011 but I could be wrong..
    from Turner's Sultan FAQ...
    Q: What size headset do I need?
    A: The 2011 or newer Sultan uses a 44mm headset size. This allows you to run a straight 1 1/8" steer tube or a tapered style steer tube. For more information on 44mm headset configurations please refer to either this Chris King 44mm Fit Guide or this Cane Creek 44mm Fit Guide.
    Pre-2011, use a 1 1/8" headset with 8mm of insertion into the head tube.



    Since my bike is definitely pre-2011, then i have 1 1/8". So? Yes to tapered I believe.

    I am currently thinking the Pike 140 Solo Air. Only bummer is it is only in black, and my bike is white. They do a white if I went up to the 150 - and with the dual air, i could have my choice of 150 or 120... but that would be pretty tall.

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    Pre-2011 means you can't run tapered, only a 1 1/8" fork.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    OK, cool... thanks for setting me straight. Well. That makes it easy... since there are almost zero options for a straight 1 1/8" in 140mm for a 29er. Perhaps I can take my winter science project energy elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoodriverlife View Post
    OK, cool... thanks for setting me straight. Well. That makes it easy... since there are almost zero options for a straight 1 1/8" in 140mm for a 29er. Perhaps I can take my winter science project energy elsewhere.
    The White Bros Loop fork is available with a straight 1 1/8" steerer with 140mm travel. You can get it in white or black.
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    Thanks, 12snap!

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    You can also find a marzocchi microti 2011 aprox with the 1 18 headtube.. i have owned one



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    +1 here. Had a 140mm Rev but too chpperish. Dropped it to 120 and now replaced with a 120mm TS8.
    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    The current Sultan was designed around a 120 fork, and rides great with it. Probably even more so now that Fox has reinforced the 120 chassis a bit (it used to be identical to the 100).

    I put a 140 on mine, and it's OK, but a bit too "chopperish" for my tastes. I think you'll love the 120 option.

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    Re: Anyone running a 120 mm fork on a newer Sultan?



    Here, s my turner sultan 2011 with marzocchi corsa sl set at 120...

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