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    Any blowouts on the Czar yet?

    Just wondering.

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    They haven't gotten the first batch spot ship yet...

    Are there deals on the 429 carbon, Ripley, Jet 9 RDO?

    Buehler?

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    I'm pretty sure there is a website based in Indonesia that has a screaming deal on one. YMMV.
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    There's one on my local Craigslist for tree fiddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    There's one on my local Craigslist for tree fiddy.
    I saw that one it was a Tzar though. Silly craigslisters...

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    The Czar rides so smoothly that I have not experienced "Any blowouts on the Czar, yet".

    Both tires continue to reliably hold air.

    I hope that answers your question, Jaybo.

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    Dave Turner would tell me he has a great deal on one for just shy of 3k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Dave Turner would tell me he has a great deal on one for just shy of 3k
    So would Chris Cocalis, the dudes at Ibis, Santa Cruz, Trek, Niner and every other bike company...

    Buy yours off of EBay in three years for a price that is closer to what you want to pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Just wondering.
    Why are you looking for a Czar, Does your Niner blow?
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    No my Niner doesn't blow at all which is really too bad as it would justify the cost. I am not really looking but just having a bit of fun. I am a Turner homer as their bikes have always done me well. My Niner has some weird sizing at my 5'11" size. The medium is a touch small and the large too big. I don't like internal cable routing either...

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    Carbon Rockstar for $1600. May not be in the same category but at that price it's hard for me to ignore.

    Disclaimer: I like the dw link but I don't have any issues with a well executed HL either.

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    Yaw, no kidding and save $1,400 for some awesome parts.

    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Carbon Rockstar for $1600. May not be in the same category but at that price it's hard for me to ignore.

    Disclaimer: I like the dw link but I don't have any issues with a well executed HL either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Carbon Rockstar for $1600. May not be in the same category but at that price it's hard for me to ignore.

    Disclaimer: I like the dw link but I don't have any issues with a well executed HL either.
    Uhh El Guapo was like 999 and you still spent 2400 on the chilicotin...

    Or something.

    Carbon MTBs are a problem for us bargain hunters. I can't see buying a used carbon MTB. Used Aluminum frame from a company that covers the second owner like Turner or Ventana no problem. I assume the Turner warranty on the Czar and the other carbon Turner will be the same as the Aluminum frames. I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    Uhh El Guapo was like 999 and you still spent 2400 on the chilicotin...

    Or something.

    Carbon MTBs are a problem for us bargain hunters.
    Or something...

    Yeah, I have my doubts about On One owned Titus. But, had the $899 (actually) EG's been available when I bought my used 5 Spot two years ago I would've had a hard time passing that up. Then there was the whole BB height fiasco so you gotta wonder about QC.

    But still, saving $1400-1500 on a new full carbon FS 29er from a (once) rebuttable brand would be hard to ignore for this bargain hunter. Especially for a second bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Or something...

    Yeah, I have my doubts about On One owned Titus. But, had the $899 (actually) EG's been available when I bought my used 5 Spot two years ago I would've had a hard time passing that up. Then there was the whole BB height fiasco so you gotta wonder about QC.

    But still, saving $1400-1500 on a new full carbon FS 29er from a (once) rebuttable brand would be hard to ignore for this bargain hunter. Especially for a second bike.
    Interesting. I don't consider the El Guapo and 5 Spot to be similar bikes at all. For my riding style that is. I have similar concerns about the Titus stuff but the prices are attractive.

    I wonder if the Czar will be too racy for guys on 6+ inch bikes. I think the Sultan is a better match. For me, I think the Sultan will be the same as my 5 spot but with bigger wheels. Hmmm that might be a good thing.

    Time to ride.

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    Turner is for non-technical now, which is czar _dw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    Interesting. I don't consider the El Guapo and 5 Spot to be similar bikes at all. For my riding style that is. I have similar concerns about the Titus stuff but the prices are attractive.

    I wonder if the Czar will be too racy for guys on 6+ inch bikes. I think the Sultan is a better match. For me, I think the Sultan will be the same as my 5 spot but with bigger wheels. Hmmm that might be a good thing.

    Time to ride.

    Bob
    I guess it's not exactly in same category but I wouldn't say they weren't similar at all. For instance my Spot was built up fairly burly with 160 coil fork and big tires and weighed 32 lbs. Craigstr over on the Titus board has an El Guapo built up at 27 lbs for XC and Super D racing.

    For the kind of riding I do I can see them being fairly equivalent depending on the build.

    I wonder the same thing about the Czar, but I think of the Sultan as being too much trail to really have a lot of separation from my Chilcotin. Maybe the Rockstar or Ripley would be a good compromise between the two. I suppose a light build Sultan would fit the bill too....or a light build Burner, or Sight Carbon Killer B, or..... so many options.

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    I agree that others will find them similar. I find a ton of difference between a 140mm and 160mm rear end.

    Build can do a lot to shape the "ride" of a bike. I never got comfortable with the RFX or either 5 spot with the FOX 36 on the front end. Just too "sluggish" for me.

    I like "lightness" so the Czar has me interested. Gotta ride one first though. If there was a Carbon Burner... that would be real tempting. Also have to ride that one.

    I have tried other 4 inch "racy" 29ers and they were just too "harsh" to me (Pivot 429 and Spec Epic). I wonder if the Czar will be similar. On the other hand, the 6+ inch bikes are too "spongy" (Pivot Firebird). 140mm is just right.

    As you said. Too many bikes to try and not enough time to ride them all. I probably should just buy some Enve wheels and keep riding what I have.

    Bobo

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    I have tried other 4 inch "racy" 29ers and they were just too "harsh" to me (Pivot 429 and Spec Epic). I wonder if the Czar will be similar. On the other hand, the 6+ inch bikes are too "spongy" (Pivot Firebird). 140mm is just right.

    As you said. Too many bikes to try and not enough time to ride them all. I probably should just buy some Enve wheels and keep riding what I have.

    Bobo
    I've owned a 429 and an Epic and put in a few hours on the Czar and the Czar is the most trail friendly race bike of the three. It's as plush as you'd want out of 100mm of travel without bottoming it regularly, but still pedals like a good DW Link bike should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    I've owned a 429 and an Epic and put in a few hours on the Czar and the Czar is the most trail friendly race bike of the three. It's as plush as you'd want out of 100mm of travel without bottoming it regularly, but still pedals like a good DW Link bike should.
    That is encouraging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    I've owned a 429 and an Epic and put in a few hours on the Czar and the Czar is the most trail friendly race bike of the three. It's as plush as you'd want out of 100mm of travel without bottoming it regularly, but still pedals like a good DW Link bike should.
    Completely agree (but have not owned the 429).

    My wife and two of her small-sized friends want Czars in size small (perhaps that would be best equipped with this years media-darling 650B wheels?). There is definitely a market for shorter-travel bikes that are NOT harsh, race-only machines. She currently rides a DW Flux with a 650B front wheel, and it will take a LOT to pry that out of her hands!
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    How diehard are you ?

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    Hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    I've owned a 429 and an Epic and put in a few hours on the Czar and the Czar is the most trail friendly race bike of the three. It's as plush as you'd want out of 100mm of travel without bottoming it regularly, but still pedals like a good DW Link bike should.
    Does it pedal as well the 429? Have you ever ridden a Jet 9 RDO? A recent Velo Magazine comparison said it is very plush they would not recommend it as a race bike. Can the same be said for the CZAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    Does it pedal as well the 429? Have you ever ridden a Jet 9 RDO? A recent Velo Magazine comparison said it is very plush they would not recommend it as a race bike. Can the same be said for the CZAR?
    The Czar pedals at least as well as the aluminum 429 (especially with the XX1 1x11), with the benefit of noticeably less weight and more active DW Link kinematics (i.e. it works better pedaling through rough terrain). No experience on the Jet 9 RDO. As far as suitability for XC racing goes (coming from a mid-pack 45 yo Cat 2 XC race), the Czar beats you up less than a hardtail or an Epic and would be better on rough courses IMO. DT had a pro on one at Sea Otter and he was pretty happy with it. I'm hoping to do some longer races later this summer and Fall on the Czar. I think it will do really well for that.

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