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    5-Spot vs Yeti 575

    I am about to pull the trigger on a 5-Spot but because of mtbr.com, I figured I would ask the experts (especially tscheezy). I am looking for a ranking by category, albeit subjective of course, to compare these 2. For what it is worth, I will be coming off of a 2003 Tracer. I know there are obvious physical differences between bikes but am curious as to your opinions/experience. Assuming all same components, please comment on comparison of 5-Spot vs. Yeti 575 for the below categories:

    Short Technical Climbs
    Long Fireroad climbs
    Gnarly downhill misc. terrain
    Twisty singletrack
    epic rides

    Also, I am a pinch over 6'1" and would lean towards a large 5-Spot, perhaps with a setback seatpost (since my Tracer has 24" TT but a slacker seat angle). Would large be the way to go from your experience?

    Thank you so much in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I am about to pull the trigger on a 5-Spot but because of mtbr.com, I figured I would ask the experts (especially tscheezy)..... Assuming all same components, please comment on comparison of 5-Spot vs. Yeti 575 for the below categories:

    Short Technical Climbs
    Long Fireroad climbs
    Gnarly downhill misc. terrain
    Casual XC Racing
    Long distance/24 hour (team) Racing
    Twisty singletrack
    general epic rides
    other relevant categories???

    Also, I am a pinch over 6'1" and would lean towards a large 5-Spot, perhaps with a setback seatpost (since my Tracer has 24" TT but a slacker seat angle). Would large be the way to go from your experience?
    Tscheezy will be much more help and I cannot compare the two, but I would think that neither the 5 Spot nor the 575 is really the bike for XC racing or 24hr team events. While they'll be comfortable as all getout, they do tend to be a tad on the stout side. (IMO) The Spot, and I assume from Tscheezy's comments- the 575, are both all day bikes but even a 24hr race is still a race, and I wouldn't want to be facing a 5 Spot against someone on a Burner or a Truth during a race. But on an agressive rocky trail thrash either would vaporize the Truth. But then so would the Burner. (IMO...again)

    As for size, I'm 6'2" with a 38.5" true inseam and 37" shirt sleeve length. I ride a Large frame w/o a setback and am quite comfortable. This is comming off a streched out, XC racer geometry hardtail. Everyone's different but I'd recommend that you leave the setback seatpost as a last resort it really changes the weight distribution of a very well balanced bike.

    As far as size goes, if technical finesse is your primary target you might find going with the smallest fitting frame a more manuverable solution. If long hours of cranking away is your goal, a larger size could have the comfort edge. You're personal preference plays a big role in this. Consider the arrangement of your current ride if you like it's fit and strive to match the cockpit dimensions as best as you can. Unless you are planning on changing your ride style from XC to technical & agressive trail riding, in which case maybe you might consider a closer more upright arrangement.

    So if trail thrashing is your primary goal...either of your current choices are the way to go...if racing is of any real importatnce to you, (like more than once a year) then consider something in the Burner's class. (weight, travel, geometry)

    All the above is Just my opinion...I don't race...I love my 5 Spot and find it hard to believe, that in it's element, anything else can improve on it...I guess that's my opinion too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    But on an agressive rocky trail thrash either would vaporize the Truth. But then so would the Burner. (IMO...again)
    The 5 Spot is definitely quicker on the drops with its 5" travel and beefier frame, but vaporize! c'mon Zilla. My experience on the 5 Spot compared to the Truth is that it handles the bigger hits better without losing your "Mo" and control. The 5 Spot and Burner might be a bit beefier or durable, but the Truth can handle agressive rocky terrain very well-at least good enough to keep me ahead of my buddy on the 5 Spot.

    Not trying to recommend the Truth, just wanted to voice my opinion on its descending abilities compared to Turners. I would recommend the 5 spot over the 575 personally.

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    I agree.

    My friend rides a truth in some pretty rocky nasty stuff and while the main frame did break (2001 frames had a real issue) the bike has hardly "vaporiozed". It seems to be pretty good in the rough stuff as well; I don't know that it's really that much worse than my XCE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    The 5 Spot is definitely quicker on the drops with its 5" travel and beefier frame, but vaporize! c'mon Zilla. My experience on the 5 Spot compared to the Truth is that it handles the bigger hits better without losing your "Mo" and control. The 5 Spot and Burner might be a bit beefier or durable, but the Truth can handle agressive rocky terrain very well-at least good enough to keep me ahead of my buddy on the 5 Spot.

    Not trying to recommend the Truth, just wanted to voice my opinion on its descending abilities compared to Turners. I would recommend the 5 spot over the 575 personally.
    Okay it was late, I chased a few beers with some 32oz rum and Cokes... so perhaps "Vaporize" was a strong choice of words but I like to write dramatically...If you haven't notice already.

    Now subjectively:
    If you stay ahead of your buddy through the rock gardens then I respectfully stand corrected. It seems to me, that as you said keeping you Mo, you line and your control would qualify as significant.

    I ride with 3 other guys on Truths, they're great bikes and extremely effecient, perhaps it's they're riding style I see, but they tend pick their lines more carefully than the longer travel bikes. Can they hang with the misc hits yes. Would you thrash through the stones at speed, pedaling, on a regular basis? That's up to you.

    Basically I was trying to point out that the the longer travel bikes are more thrashable, not that the XC oriented bikes weren't Trailable.

    I noticed no one corrected me that the Truth or the "other" bike would be more raceable though...having you cake fellas?

    Summing it up, if he's planning on even semi-regular racing...he need not consider 5S or 575...If rocky rough trails are his main objective, then thats where the longer travel bikes will shine...but y'all knew that already right?

    (I knew there was a reason I stayed away from direct comparisons )

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    Racing bad choice for category....

    I regret mentioning the racing categories and I "take it back". I simply put those in to add to the number of categories but now realize that takes away from what I am really trying to ask:

    1) For steep technical climbs, will the 5 Spot really outperform the 575?

    2) On long fireroad, where no travel is necessary, does the 575 climb so much better given its weight? Keep in mind, I spin seated 100% of the time. Major foot surgery prevents me from standing pretty much ever.

    3) For gnarly downhill, are they both just going to be awesome?

    4) For long epic rides, not races, will the weight or other differences in the 2 bikes make a tangible difference for say 6 hour rides?

    Thanks so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightySchmoePong
    My friend rides a truth in some pretty rocky nasty stuff and while the main frame did break (2001 frames had a real issue) the bike has hardly "vaporiozed". It seems to be pretty good in the rough stuff as well; I don't know that it's really that much worse than my XCE.

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    Okay more drama from Bikezilla... (BTW I've had no riding this w/e so stand clear while I vent )

    Five paragraphs of text and the first three replies focus on one statement. I won't bother getting into another long discussion on durability. It's been overstated by too many other people and I'll leave it at that.

    "Vaporize" was not meant to say the bike would self-distruct, It was meant to point out that a stouter, longer travel bike will decend more quickly...if that wasn't so, then the 5Spot would be a DH bike.

    When the rocks make the dirt look more like tile groute than trail media, and their height start scraping bottom brackets... the distinction of a trailbike becomes much more clear.

    I the Truth is a fantastic bike, and more than enough for most riders needs, but after bombing down a point and pray section, does one think, "dam that was wild!" and head for the singletrack or "Dam, I can do that faster" and ride back up to try it again?

    There are no absolutes but if y'all feel I'm totally off base then I might as well just stay on my hardtail.

    Sorry for Thredjacking ya FoShizzle, Tscheezy will be the man who can answer your comparison questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    ...Tscheezy will be the man who can answer your comparison questions...
    I'm sure tscheezy will respond when he get to the forum next, but I don't think you need to wait to know generaly what his opinion will be. Check out these two threads: the first, Typical What Bike Post-Turner?, is here in the Turner forum where Tscheezy basically identifies his top in 5" FS bikes in order, somewhat, the second, I demoed a 575 for a day. Very nice!, is in the Yeti forum and is his review of the 575. As far as my two cents, I'm sure you were dying to know, and with what little I know of the 575 the only two benefit I can think of would be clams you could save on the frame, which is fairly significant, and the weight you save with the air shock on the rear. Other than that wait for tscheezy response.

    Bikezilla, does drinking also effect your text color selection? Magenta?!? I thought only us 5 Spot owners that rode red frames, you know the "gay color", were allowed to use magenta.

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    [QUOTE=steve3] the truth is "100%" efficient.

    You mean up to 100% efficient. For whatever that means.

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    "Not that there's anything wrong with that..."

    Quote Originally Posted by CrashTheDOG
    Bikezilla, does drinking also effect your text color selection? Magenta?!? I thought only us 5 Spot owners that rode red frames, you know the "gay color", were allowed to use magenta.
    I always thought the rainbow headbadge was the gay part... I remember that thread, good thing I didn't buy that Ferrari.

    Gotta love rum though...even if I I get so drunk I can't speak, I can still spell my favorite drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Short Technical Climbs
    Long Fireroad climbs
    Gnarly downhill misc. terrain
    Twisty singletrack
    epic rides
    First, get the large if you go with the Turner.

    I have a large Turner XCE and Spot, and demoed a medium 575. The top tube length of the medium 575 (23.4") was a touch shorter than my XCE (23.6") and noticeably shorter than the Spot (23.9"). A large 575 (24.4") would be noticeably longer than the Spot. (Those sizes are from memory- correct me if I got it wrong). The medium I demoed really reminded me of my XCE in handling: quicker and more nimble than the Spot. Both the XCE and 575 could "cut" and steer by leaning. My Spot seems more deliberate. Not slow, just not as "racy" feeling. The longer wheelbase on the Spot makes it nice for bombing the rough stuff and doing drops. Some of this was a difference in wheelbase due partly to my tall Z1 on my Spot. A tall fork on the 575 would be interesting to try. All the bikes climb very well. Assuming the stock Spot configuation is with a Romic coil and the 575 comes with a 5th air (and is generally a little quicker handling), I would say the 575 would make the better 24 hr racer/tight twisty singletrack bike. The Turner is better for really rough stuff and outright abuse. When you say epic rides, it depends on if you mean smooth but stupid-long rides, or if you mean knocking out 40+ miles on the worst Moab can dish out. The Yeti seemed a little light to me for really big riders or really hard use. This is subjective, and the ASRs seem to hold up fine, but the 575 seemed to me like a loooong travel xc bike. If you want a bike built to err on the side of stoutness, I'd grab the Turner. If you want a bike which seems to lean towards the racier end of the trailbike spectrum, the 575 is definitely nice. Personally I like the durability and rebuildability (is that a word?) of the pivots on the Turners. They have a proven record and I just trust them. The Yeti costs less and for the $$ you save you could put a Maverick fork on it and have a pretty light and sweet 6x6 bike. If cost is no object and you want a looong relationship with a stable bike, get the Turner.

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    Thank you for your time

    You must get tired of people posting and "expecting" for you to respond. I really appreciate your direct responses. It sounds like both are winners but I think the Spot is the way for me to go.

    Though money is an object to some extent, another plus with the 5 Spot is that I can get it in red and since my Tracer is also red, my wife will never even notice I got a new frame :>)

    The new Supergo that opened near my house will give me a couple hundred bucks off the frame. Other than used, I am not sure I can beat that....plus they are pretty nice folks at this new Supergo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikezilla
    Okay it was late, I chased a few beers with some 32oz rum and Cokes... so perhaps "Vaporize" was a strong choice of words but I like to write dramatically...If you haven't notice already.
    Cheers Gears and Beers!
    LOL, when I read vaporize, I was thinking Zilla must be drinking. I love to bomb thru the rocks and I know I should be on something a bit stouter, but it rides so well I fiqure I will just ride it till it breaks and then go with a burlier ride like a Foes.

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    I was in REI in Corte Madera today and saw a white, size large 575 with a Vanilla fork, Float RL Propedal shock, Hayes Mags, decent controls, and mostly XT for $2,200. I gotta say, that is tough to turn down. They new Yetis are very nice riding bikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I was in REI in Corte Madera today and saw a white, size large 575 with a Vanilla fork, Float RL Propedal shock, Hayes Mags, decent controls, and mostly XT for $2,200. I gotta say, that is tough to turn down. They new Yetis are very nice riding bikes...

    tscheezy
    I wonder if someone could use the 20% off coupon that REI is offering right now?

    edit: Nope. "Offer valid on Novara and K2 bikes only; other brands are excluded."

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    Those never apply to complete bikes. They have a few restrictions. Too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Those never apply to complete bikes. They have a few restrictions. Too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Those never apply to complete bikes. They have a few restrictions. Too bad.

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    I guess you could charge the 575 to a REI Visa card and get REI's full 10% rebate on the purchase. The only down side is that you have to wait for the 'REI bucks' until next March.

    Hey, it's better than nothing...

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    That'd just offset the sales tax

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    I was in REI in Corte Madera today and saw a white, size large 575 with a Vanilla fork, Float RL Propedal shock, Hayes Mags, decent controls, and mostly XT for $2,200. I gotta say, that is tough to turn down. They new Yetis are very nice riding bikes...

    tscheezy
    Yeah, well the large is no longer at REI...Thanks to me...

    Picked it up last night, and am very excited about seeing what it can do. It's been great being able to read all the rap you guys have laid down about the bike. I've been researching for a while and this is my first full sus. Needless to say, if it doesn't turn out to be all that, I will come after your first born... ...lol. Just kidding.

    With all this talk I've heard about the front of the bike wandering on steep climbs, how do you guys think having a Vanilla 125 up front will work. Am I gonna suffer too much while climbing without travel adjust?

    I have to say that for almost 6 inches of travel(viagra not included), this thing is FAST, and very efficient.

    Hopefully will have much more to say soon. Again thanks to all that rode the bike and posted informative reviews! Was very helpful since the bike is so new on the market.

    More to come

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride-n-True
    Yeah, well the large is no longer at REI...Thanks to me...
    Good for you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride-n-True
    Needless to say, if it doesn't turn out to be all that, I will come after your first born...
    I will trade you that bike for any children out there who are my fault in a heart-beat. Find em, keep em, and send the bike to Alaska ASAP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride-n-True
    With all this talk I've heard about the front of the bike wandering on steep climbs, how do you guys think having a Vanilla 125 up front will work. Am I gonna suffer too much while climbing without travel adjust?
    I rode the bike with a Minute 3:00 (130mm air) fork and did not feel any of that font end lifting stuff at all. The bike was very well mannered on climbs. You done good.

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    A mere four years ago.....why can't we all just get along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidybeard
    A mere four years ago.....why can't we all just get along?
    I think this statement is key:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheezy
    I will trade you that bike for any children out there who are my fault in a heart-beat
    Obviously Fo is Tscheezy's illegitimate son, and is lashing out due to his fear of rejection. This also explains all the "Fo's mom" jokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles e
    I think this statement is key:



    Obviously Fo is Tscheezy's illegitimate son, and is lashing out due to his fear of rejection. This also explains all the "Fo's mom" jokes.
    Lol, nice

    My favourite quotes are:

    Fo - "another plus with the 5 Spot is that I can get it in red and since my Tracer is also red, my wife will never even notice I got a new frame :>)"

    Fo - "3) For gnarly downhill, are they both just going to be awesome?"

    Fo - "Thank you for your time"

    Zilla - "Cheers, Beers and Gears" (What happened to this catchphrase Zilla, I think you should resurrect it )

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    Have you got bored with Heather already TB

    Why oh why did you bring up this thread, I nearly responded thinking FO was at it again..

    Lucky I looked at the dates

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