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    142+ hub in Turner Czar?

    Has anyone tried mounting a 142+ hub in the Turner Czar? The cassette sits 2mm closer to the right seatstay. I have a roval wheelset atm and considering the Czar. It would be nice to not have to change the wheelset as well. Some 142 frames clear the 142+ hub well, some don't.

    If any czar owners could take a picture from the rear of a normal hub/cassette installed, that would highly appreciated

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    I'm running the 142+ Rovals on my Czar. All I had to do was sand about 2 mm off the XT cassette lockring. Nothing rubs except the lockring. Just enough clearance for the cog and chain, so once you modify the lockring, you're good to go.

    These are the ONLY wheels I've run on the Czar, and they have been problem free since mid-May.
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    142+ hub in Turner Czar?

    Thanks for the reply. Great to hear that it works. No issues with the depth/thickness of the installation groves in the lockring either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trond View Post
    Thanks for the reply. Great to hear that it works. No issues with the depth/thickness of the installation groves in the lockring either?
    No problem. Still more than adequate thickness for engagement of removal tool, and the actual amount of threads on the lockring is not decreased at all. I'm a pretty darn strong 195 pound rider, and have been running this setup on the Czar since May, and the Sultan for well over a year.
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    Fantastic. I no longer have any excuses for not getting this bike...

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    Can't believe I found this thread: local seller has new Control SL wheelset 142+ for a screaming price and I was hoping to use in my Czar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    Can't believe I found this thread: local seller has new Control SL wheelset 142+ for a screaming price and I was hoping to use in my Czar.
    Still going strong!
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    How much clearance is there between the chain at 10T and the dropout of the Czar for those using XX1?

    I ask because my friends Bronson setup has only 1mm clearance and it eats the frame rear dropout from time to time.

    I'm afraid it may happen to my future Czar,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn View Post
    How much clearance is there between the chain at 10T and the dropout of the Czar for those using XX1?

    I ask because my friends Bronson setup has only 1mm clearance and it eats the frame rear dropout from time to time.

    I'm afraid it may happen to my future Czar,

    TIA,
    I'm running 10-speed XT, but with the 142+ rear hub, and clearance between the 11T and the dropout is not a lot. Very close. But neither the cog or chain rub the dropout, and DT mentioned that there is quite a bit of material there because, well, it's a Turner and meant to have the crap ridden out of it.

    Maybe DT will chime in on this, but with very little clearance, I've had no problem with dropout wear, and I've got about eleventy-billion hours on my Czar (I know I should keep track, but I do engineering for a living, and refuse to get sucked into data recording and crunching with my hobbies).
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    I'm still on the fence about the 142+ ghetto frame fit. Local seller has brand new Control SL Carbon 142+ and he'd probably take $900. I can grind the lock ring down, no problem, but I'm deciding whether the price is worth it vs finding 142 non-plus set.

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    I have a Czar with 1x11 gearing, and bought a Roval 142+ wheelset, not noticing the very important "+" designation. Could not get shifting to work right and took it to a very good bike shop.

    They figured out the problem - not enough space between dropout and the 10t cog. Now adjusted so it is rideable - but minus the 10t gear. Some bystanders suggested a spacer/washer outside the cassette to spread the rear triangle to get enough room for the 10t cog but I wonder what issues this might cause. Any experience out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dascmo View Post
    I have a Czar with 1x11 gearing, and bought a Roval 142+ wheelset, not noticing the very important "+" designation. Could not get shifting to work right and took it to a very good bike shop.

    They figured out the problem - not enough space between dropout and the 10t cog. Now adjusted so it is rideable - but minus the 10t gear. Some bystanders suggested a spacer/washer outside the cassette to spread the rear triangle to get enough room for the 10t cog but I wonder what issues this might cause. Any experience out there?
    I did end up trying the fit on a 1 x 11 cassette and found the same thing you did -- no dice.

    I thought about a washer, but was not that interested in spreading the rear triangle like a whishbone (though the necessary 1 mm would probably be fine.

    But what a PITA that would be when it comes to a trail-side rear wheel swap for flat repair.
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    Thanks kosmo, I am probably going to try the spacer option. The PITA about wheel removal/installation seems worth it - as long as I won't be harming the frame or pivots with a 1mm spread. It would be great to hear any experience with those issues. Turner uses bushings for pivots, so maybe more forgiving?

    The other option would be carving a little notch in the dropout, which might seem OK on metal, not sure about carbon! Thanks for any thoughts on this...

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    Called Turner and they thought a spacer would work fine - to the shop!

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    My shop put in a simple washer to make more space for the chain to fit on the 10t cog, checked wheel dish (no problem), reset limits and cable. Done in 5 minutes and the bike rides and shifts perfectly. Just have to watch that washer when I remove the wheel - small price for having a great wide rim wheelset for the Czar.

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    My kids and wife chipped in to buy me a new set of the high end Rovals 142+ for my 60th birthday from a friend of my son's who was upgrading his brand new Specialized. When I put them on my Czar, it rubbed a little, very little, but still rubbed. I don't know what it's called, but there is a little black spacer/thingie behind the plastic splined hub that the casette sits on (if I remember correctly). I took the one out of my original hub and swapped it with the one in the new Roval hub. Problem solved....no rubbing, no noticible spreading of the chain stays, shifts perfectly without any adjustment.
    I tried to buy a replacement to put it back into the wheel/hub that came on my Czar but I was unsuccessful in locating the part (I tried Turner, DT-Swiss, and a couple parts places. I was told that they are spec't with the hub by the wheel builder.

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