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    '08 RFX or wait for '09...?

    So I was all set to wait for the '09 RFX before replacing my '02. Until I've just seen the clearout deals DT is offering. If I made use of the trade in program, I could pick up an '08 for a bit under 1/2 what an '09 would cost me in the UK, even including import taxes...

    Problem is I'm not convinced that it's *quite* the right bike. I spend roughly 50% of my time trail riding (big all day 30+ mile rides in big terrain, grinding the climbs as fast as possible to get as much DH in as I can) and 50% playbiking - FR, DH, jumping, 4x that kinda thing. I don't go enormous - biggest drops are usually in the 6-8' region (biggest I've done is the end of Clown Shoes), and gaps/doubles in the 25'+ league, providing they're nice landings.

    Now the current RFX would be perfect for the traily stuff; a Highline would be great for the FR (although none of my bits would fit - Lyrics, XT cranks, standard rear hubs), so the prospect of the '09 RFX was really appealing. Also the aim is to reduce weight, not gain it!

    Problems with the current RFX are that it's possibly a little steeply angled (would be aiming for 67° HA), and having been riding an ultimately bombproof tank for the last few years I'm slightly worried how tough the '08 is. Whilst I'm only 140lb, I do seem to ride pretty hard. I also like the 1.5 concept (being able to adjust the geo through internal or external style headsets) and the 12mm bolt through that the '09 is reputed to have.

    So whaddaya think...?


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    i think if ya want the '09, yer gonna have to wait and pony up. i cant make it any cheaper or make the '08 the bike ya want it to be, nor can anyone else. sorry man. in the end it sounds like ya need a highline.
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    Think outside the box...

    A little math here.

    So with the current sale the frames work out to be roughly half of what you were planing on spending on an '09 rfx. As I see it, that's the perfect excuse to buy both an '08 Highline AND an '08 rfx, that way you can have the perfect bike for any given day's ride.

    Anyone else on my line of thought?

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    highline.
    yes you'll need to mess with bits but i have one and don't do anything like the big stuff you're doing, yet anyway.
    love it. if i was a smaller build 16 stone of pure yorkshire love, i'd be looking at the rfx as i miss my old xce from years gone by but my riding has changed etc and i love the highline as a bike that i never get close to the limit on!

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    Depends on whether you want the DW-link or not.


    However, I'm not sure why you would even switch; the differences between the '02 and '08 is pretty small (ask FM); I'd venture to guess even smaller between the '02 and '09. The cost differential to you will vastly outweigh the performance difference.

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    I'd agree the '09 sounds like a better fit for your needs, on paper at least. Pretty hard to pass up the reality of the current prices though! And I think the '08 has some tricks up it's sleeve that you might like;

    • You can lower/slacken the angles with a 7.75x2.25 custom shock. I've done this and am very happy with it, it splits the difference between the stock '08 RFX geometry and the highline. If you go with avalanche, you'll also be significantly increasing the quality of the suspension which is a nice perk. However, an RFX on sale plus an avalanche shock does get you back up close to '08 retail.
    • A deep-insertion steel headset might help add strength to the '08.
    • You can get most hubs with a bolt-on through axle, no need to have the frame specially made. The king fun bolts did stiffen mine up noticeably.
    • The '08 will help you with the lighter thing too!


    Now, I've also got a highline and you could lighten one up with an air shock.
    However *for me* I'd be much happier with the RFX as my only bike, I think you'll find the '08 is already stiffer&lower than the '02. I *could* be happy with only my RFX, no highline, even at whistler. But that says more about my riding style and taste in trails than the bikes themselves. I'd certainly prefer a beefy RFX over a light highline. The highline's geometry and build is made for those big hits, a lighter trail-friendly build would mostly cripple the frame, sure many of us can climb on a 40lb bike but how many enjoy it? For me the highline is a shuttle/lift bike that I can happily climb on, when required.


    I'm not neccesarliy trying to steer you one way or the other, just adding my observations as an owner of both current models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    I'm not sure why you would even switch; the differences between the '02 and '08 is pretty small (ask FM);
    I dunno about that, especially as the price differrence has gotten smaller.
    The '08 is noticably lighter, and that makes it viable as an all day trailbike. The '02 was a bit much for smoother rides with lots of climbing, for me anyways.
    I feel the '08 is more technically capable, thanks to the stiffer rear end and the lower geometry.

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    absolutely

    Ted is right, you need both. For the first 50% of your listed riding the RFX is perfect! The RFX is River Runs Through It and the Highline is Clown Shoes. I have ridden them, and there is NO WAY I would even think about riding the RFX down Clown. Of course with more time to build skills maybe I would take the 09 'All Mountain Uber Trail Bike' down Clown, but probably not. Next year I am bringing a gun to a gun fight, DHR to Whistler mountain as the Highline will be gone and unless I am forced to make a true big mountain FR bike, the Highline is the end. Most Turner customers are either fast trail riders, rough trail riders, big trail riders or downhillers. Big Mountain Free Ride is a tiny little slot that can easily be handled by the DHR in the Turner line or for those on a budget a Transition or Kona. Actually the whole Big Mountain FR thing is a compromise of front derailer compatable, full straight seat tube bike that has big travel and tough as nails. Reality is that the DHR will CRUSH any BMFR bike any time you quit ascending, and since the whole point of BMFR is to descend the only reason have the BMFR is if there is no chair or truck access, so the 'market' gets smaller.

    CC is right as well. 2009 is going to be late first quarter and pricier than the pre-sale RFX. The cost of everything is going up, this ain't me getting rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I dunno about that, especially as the price differrence has gotten smaller.
    The '08 is noticably lighter, and that makes it viable as an all day trailbike. The '02 was a bit much for smoother rides with lots of climbing, for me anyways.
    I feel the '08 is more technically capable, thanks to the stiffer rear end and the lower geometry.
    Just to be clear, it was your own thoughts I was referring to on how close the '02/'08 really are after all. I don't doubt what you describe above, however I would bet the delta is much smaller than it reads. Your "full circle" comments below were in regards to you originally thinking the '08 would be substantially different from your '02. Note your money saving idea, which is really my point for this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I don't regret selling my '02, but I did end up coming full circle. I could have happily kept my '02, thrown a fox 36 and air rear shock on, and saved $1000. YMMV.
    I don't see any point in going from 1 RFX to another and thinking things will be dramatically different. Going from an RFX to a Highline is another story.

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    how wrong 1 person can be. as fm said, the diff between a 9 lb '02 and a 7 lb '07/'08 rfx is massive. if i had the geo #'s in front of me i could better explain why to anyone whos never ridden both.

    i feel exactly the same way about how they both climb. the old bike is a beast and when ridden back to back with the newer version, its clear how much it gives up when ya go up. on the way back down it also gets its ass handed to it with the lower leverage ratio on the newer frame and a bit more travel to boot.

    no offence roy but ya really missed the boat on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    Just to be clear, it was your own thoughts I was referring to on how close the '02/'08 really are after all.
    Fair game! To clarify, it is totally a money thing;

    the differences between the '02 and the '08 are definitely noticeable on the trail.

    What I was getting at, was that the '02 was still a killer bike and the $1000 I would have potentially saved at the time by keeping the '02 could have bought other weight-saving parts & upgrades.

    With the newer low prices and the trade-in, you're looking at $~700 for the '08, plus no hassle with selling & ads. Thats pretty cheap for fresh paint & new pivots, .6" more travel, stiffer rear, better cable routing, a lower BB, and 2lbs less. At that price I'd say go for it!

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    I'd spend the ~$700 on an air shock and lighter parts that would give you the flexibility to switch between ride setups. Otherwise you'll be locked into just the lighter '08 setup. JMO.

    The geo differences noticeable? Sure. Dramatic? Not so much.

    As for the weight differences - same shock on both frames: NOT 2 lbs. I remember the first apples/oranges debacle, but keep tryin' bra...

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    Stiffer rear MY ASS!
    I had some e-mail correspondence with DT a while back when I asked him just that question; is the '08 rear triangle stiffer than the '02. He said NO.
    As far as the weight and geo differences; throw a coil shock on your '08 and you are just about the same as the '02, and if you can get the lower BB/slacker HA rockers for your '02, you have about the same geo as an '08.
    My rockers mimic those rockers mentioned above. My HA is 67.5, BB height with 2.3's is 14.2, and my bike will kick your bike's ass on any descent!
    It's a fricken free-ride bike, put down the cigarrettes or the bong, get in shape, and pedal that biatch. You sea-level dwelling lard-butts should come for a ride with me.
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    Welcome back Rene time we had some nar back around here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Stiffler, rear MY ASS!
    is there somthin ya want to tell us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    is there somthin ya want to tell us?
    I'm telling YOU that you're a sea-level dwelling lard-butt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    I'm telling YOU that you're a sea-level dwelling lard-butt.
    Hes a 65 -70 kg wringing wet, sea dwelling maybe lard ass

    don't throw stones in glass houses

    Ya been missing out Rene hes built up one of those Hard core nar RFXs even out done you and got some triples up front
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    Rene I think you missed something

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    <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by Renegade
    Stiffler, rear MY ASS!
    </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by big-ted
    A little math here.

    So with the current sale the frames work out to be roughly half of what you were planing on spending on an '09 rfx. As I see it, that's the perfect excuse to buy both an '08 Highline AND an '08 rfx, that way you can have the perfect bike for any given day's ride.

    Anyone else on my line of thought?
    I smell what you are cooking. and I agree with DT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Fair game!
    With the newer low prices and the trade-in, you're looking at $~700 for the '08, plus no hassle with selling & ads. Thats pretty cheap for fresh paint & new pivots, .6" more travel, stiffer rear, better cable routing, a lower BB, and 2lbs less. At that price I'd say go for it!
    Hey FM,
    Just curious how you came up with $700? New adjusted RFX prices are at ~$1700 - $500 trade in would be ~$1200. If I can get it at that price I'm all over it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    I smell what you are cooking. and I agree with DT.


    I know what youre cooking

    We only been telling you guys for years and years, but no lightweight is where its at, oh how the wheel turns, we so far ahead of ourselves, in 6months maybe a year you all be getting rid of ya seatpost crutches too!


    Ps I predict now the HL will make a comeback
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    keep tryin' bra...


    You can compare numbers all day long, what matters is how the bikes ride.

    I always chose my hardtail over the '02 for longer all-mountain type rides, mainly due to the weight of the '02. But the '08 is perfect for those same rides. Some of it is the lighter weight, some of it is the geometry. The stock '08 was 1/2" lower than the '02 and I knocked another 3/8" off that. Don't forget the '08 has more travel too, so it sits even lower yet. So with the fork at 130mm my BB sits below 14" which makes for perfect tech-XC geometry, yet with the fork at 160 it's also slacker, lower and more travel than the '02 so it's better going down too.

    Another difference, the '08's definitely more progressive, it feels bottomless on drops and pedals better too.

    2lbs, you can't split hairs when you figure in sizing etc. All I know is that my '08 with an avy is still lighter than my '02 with an air shock. With fork technology having progressed as well, my current RFX total weight is a good 4-5lbs lighter than my old '02 and feels better pretty much everywhere.

    Sure you can shave weight with an air shock, but I want the feel of coil, and the lighter weight too, ain't gonna happen with an '02

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Stiffer rear MY ASS! It's a fricken free-ride bike, put down the cigarrettes or the bong, get in shape, and pedal that biatch. You sea-level dwelling lard-butts should come for a ride with me.
    • You call it a free ride bike. I call it a trail bike, which is what I use it for, I've got the highline for free-ride.
    • The '08's most definitely stiffer, is it the rear? could be the front traingle, the rockers, tolerances, who knows but it's definitely so, one of the first things I noticed. You can't tell me the stock '02 rockers are stiffer than the new ones.
    • You're rig's all customized, it's not truly an '02 anymore anyways.
    • It's not lard, its pure E-muscle!!!!
    So look, my point is DT keeps making them better every year, he gets to look at what worked and what didn't, why would he make the newer models more flexible or less versatile? Sucks to admit but there are classics and then there is evolution, time marches on and better products are designed & built, doesn't make the '02 any less of a great bike.

    The more I ride mine, the more I love it and the less I miss my '02, although that paint was badd-azz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyBidnezz
    Hey FM,
    New adjusted RFX prices are at ~$1700 - $500 trade in would be ~$1200. I'm just curious, because if I could get that price I would be all over it!
    Right you are, as Renegade suggested perhaps I should put down the bong!


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    FM - it appears you've come full circle, again.

    At first you were all about how dramatically different the '08 was to the '02. Then in this very thread you changed your mind and specifically point out how more similar the '02 is to the '08, followed by telling CC how he needs to change the bong water more often after trying to pawn off how the frames are 2 lbs different, when that is clearly not the case with the same shock:

    2002 RFX Marketplace and Value?

    So now the OP is up to $1200 for a frame that has subtle differences, no doubt, but dramatic? Please. That's the issue here - the frames are different, the frames are NOT dramatically different. You agreed once, maybe you'll agree again, or not.

    $1200 would come close to buying a Highline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    FM - it appears you've come full circle, again.

    That's the issue here - the frames are different, the frames are NOT dramatically different. You agreed once, maybe you'll agree again, or not.
    Correct, I am not agreeing or disagreeing, because I don't need to dislike the old version to like the new one better!


    Maybe the moderator can combine these two threads, so you can compare my posts more conveniently? There's nothing new from me in this thread and nothing which conflicts with what I posted in the previous one. Yes, an '02 with an air shock will be within a pound of the '08 with a coil, yes the '08 is lower, etc. TIME TO MOVE ON. Here's another quote from that old thread, in case you think I've somehow changed my mind:

    As for '02 vs. '08: The suspension feel, cable routing and lower BB height on the newest RFX's are great improvements, and they are really a good bit lighter. But I loved the sizing and 5" rocker option of the '02.
    Yes, the RFX has evolved, it was a great bike before and it's better now. I'm glad to have owned both, and a highline too, life is good! Of them all, the '08 rfx is the one I'd grab in a house fire.

    Speaking of going full circle, You'll be interested to know I have both an '02 and an '08 in my garage right now. Can you guess which one's going up for sale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    ...is the '08 rear triangle stiffer than the '02. He said NO.
    that is impossible...the 08 is newer and people who bought it are convinced it is the stiffest bike on the planet so you are clearly false (even though they have no data to support this of course). i am sure it is not them justifying their purchase as that would be too obvious.

    as for lard azzes...yes, 02, 08, 09, whatever year you want...most homers couldnt climb 500' gain without vomiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Stiffer rear MY ASS!
    I had some e-mail correspondence with DT a while back when I asked him just that question; is the '08 rear triangle stiffer than the '02. He said NO.
    As far as the weight and geo differences; throw a coil shock on your '08 and you are just about the same as the '02, and if you can get the lower BB/slacker HA rockers for your '02, you have about the same geo as an '08.
    My rockers mimic those rockers mentioned above. My HA is 67.5, BB height with 2.3's is 14.2, and my bike will kick your bike's ass on any descent!
    It's a fricken free-ride bike, put down the cigarrettes or the bong, get in shape, and pedal that biatch. You sea-level dwelling lard-butts should come for a ride with me.
    Rene - I'll come to CO and ride down your driveway and do some 2 foot to flats any time! seeing as you never post pics of you actually riding I assume that's all you do! (along with drinking heavily of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    ...most homers couldnt climb 500' gain without vomiting
    Seriously! Then they'd have to replace those white I-9's!

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    Personal wish list for an '09 RFX.

    Lower (~13.8 BB), slacker (~66.5), same weight, DHR style cable routing.

    This is a '04 bullit that I frankenbiked with shorter i2i and shuttle, resulted in ~13.2 BB and ~65 HA w/ 6", this geo was so awesome but was heavier than oprah and the fox RC just plain sucked. I want this bike in a lighter, better suspended package and it would be the last bike I would buy, until the next time i'd need to buy a bike.


    nothing witty here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    that is impossible...the 08 is newer and people who bought it are convinced it is the stiffest bike on the planet so you are clearly false (even though they have no data to support this of course). i am sure it is not them justifying their purchase as that would be too obvious.

    as for lard azzes...yes, 02, 08, 09, whatever year you want...most homers couldnt climb 500' gain without vomiting
    I can't climb off the couch climbing hills is for those GHEY lycra skin suited roadies with white wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Edwards
    If I made use of the trade in program, I could pick up an '08 for a bit under 1/2 what an '09 would cost me in the UK, even including import taxes..

    EDIT: Nevermind, I found the info I needed.


    Turner No Fault Replacement Policy (All Frames)

    Turner Bikes will make replacement parts available at a minimum charge in the event of a crash or other non-warranty situation. This replacement policy is good for all frames including those who have purchased their frames new or used. This policy includes a frame trade in program allowing a current Turner frame owner to send in their old frame and receive a $500 credit off of the M.S.R.P of a brand new frame. The frame trade in policy is extended to all Turner frames regardless of age or condition


    I've been considering an 08 RFX as well.

    Currently have a Spot with PUSH rockers.
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    Sigh. I give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    Sigh. I give up.
    cheers!

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    ...most homers couldnt climb 500' gain without vomiting
    no wonder yo momma smell so bad

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    I'd say just ride what you've got. Wait and see where the chips fall on the 09. The 08 will always be floating around good condition used... because people will want to switch into the 09 for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    Sigh. I give up.
    thank you.
    No, I'm NOT back!

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    Is not the DHR a downhill RACE bike and therefore built as light as possible aimed at people that are skilled racers, the BMFR bike is usually an oversized behemoth designed to be thrown off anything. The race bike will of course in the right hands be slicker fitter and quicker but in the wrong hands may appear at your warranty department fairly quickly!
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    Ye gods!

    This thread has really taken off. Thanks for all the advice & comments.

    My '02 is already running 6-pack rockers, and there's a Ti spring on the coil. I could be interested in an air shock, but I'm a little lairy because of the 3:1 leverage ratio (also I need a 190x50 shock which ain't the easiest combo ever) . I've also got the DT 10mm RWS skewer thing on the back wheel, so it's semi bolt through already.

    2 Turners just aren't an option. Between me and her we already have 9 bikes, plus literally nowhere to put any more (small London flat). Anyway, if I was going to have 2 it would be a Spot and a Highline.

    The '02 is still a killer bike. When I'm on the ball I can keep up with guys on much bigger machines downhill, and whilst slow uphill, even with a 50mm stem on, I'm usually still pedalling when all the XC lightweights have run out of traction. Certainly in mega steep technical climbs it out performs my 24lb Ti hardtail. I'm just knackered after 30+ miles of that!

    The beastie in DH spec. (only change for XC is wheels and tyres). I can lose a bit of weight here and there, but not vast amounts.

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    Just reread the thread and picked up on this comment

    The RFX is River Runs Through It

    We are talking about the same trail aren't we? Flat and swoopy, a good smattering of easy stunts? Has that weird double seesaw/drawbridge thing? That's my XC hardtail with flats on to me. Certainly the '02 was total overkill the 3 times I've ridden it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Edwards
    Just reread the thread and picked up on this comment

    The RFX is River Runs Through It
    Perhaps he means RRTI, as part of a larger loop on the westside, maybe including cheap thrills?





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    Sorry, that came across a bit p!ssy didn't it?

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that to me a 6" bike should be capable of everything a DH bike is, just not as fast (and a better climber!). Otherwise, why do you need all that travel?

    Anyhow, I'd better shut up before I dig myself any deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks
    Rene - I'll come to CO and ride down your driveway and do some 2 foot to flats any time! seeing as you never post pics of you actually riding I assume that's all you do! (along with drinking heavily of course)
    Wilks, how do you know for sure that I even do that? Since there are no pics of it......
    Sorry, I don't ride with an entourage that stops to pose at various boulders and such. I just ride, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Sorry, I don't ride with an entourage that stops to pose at various boulders and such. I just ride, thank you.
    I think that's known as Aqua-tography . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Edwards
    I guess what I'm trying to say is that to me a 6" bike should be capable of everything a DH bike is, just not as fast (and a better climber!). Otherwise, why do you need all that travel?
    Sounds about right- if it was still 2002.

    Take a cue from what fork makers are doing these days- do you think the 36 is capable of everything a 40 is? A 55 everything a 888 is? If not, then putting them on a bike designed for DH level riding means you are either severely under-forked or over-framed.
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    do you think the 36 is capable of everything a 40 is?

    Looking at how big the slopestyle guys go on 36's, Pikes, 55s etc, then frankly ultimate strength is not a terribly relevant issue.

    The more important difference is that the extra 2" of travel of the 40 let you go a hell of a lot faster. I'm not actually that fussed by the speed. Smoothness and style are more important, but over the same kind of terrain.

    I've honestly never thought "I need more travel to ride that". More travel might sometimes make me faster or more comfortable, but neither of those are important. That said, I've never actually ridden a bike with more travel than my '02 so who knows!

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    I will vouch for him..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Wilks, how do you know for sure that I even do that? Since there are no pics of it......
    Sorry, I don't ride with an entourage that stops to pose at various boulders and such. I just ride, thank you.
    Having ridden with Rennie last Friday at Keystone, I will vouch for him that he does "get sum" going downhill. Also, having ridden his '02 RFX I will also vouch for its superb handling on DH/FR terrain. Even though it has only taken him 6 years to get it dialed in, it is definitely dialed in and rides almost as good on that terrain as my Demo 8!

    A parting thought; I actually brought my camera last week, but he was carrying it in his backpack. So I will also vouch for his statement above - he doesn't stop, so there are no photos except at the bottom when we finished the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Edwards
    do you think the 36 is capable of everything a 40 is?

    Looking at how big the slopestyle guys go on 36's, Pikes, 55s etc, then frankly ultimate strength is not a terribly relevant issue.

    The more important difference is that the extra 2" of travel of the 40 let you go a hell of a lot faster. I'm not actually that fussed by the speed. Smoothness and style are more important, but over the same kind of terrain.

    I've honestly never thought "I need more travel to ride that". More travel might sometimes make me faster or more comfortable, but neither of those are important. That said, I've never actually ridden a bike with more travel than my '02 so who knows!
    Dude can you ride like those guys

    Triples will always be more stable than single crowns no matter how stiff they are, ride em side by side and you will find that out very quickly
    I had a 888 and 66. both awesome, but I'd take my 888 for DH any day, though I did do some mini DH courses on my RFX with 66, Im not sure if I was faster or not jury is out for me I think I could have been as fast on the DH bike, on a DHR definitley

    If ya suspension is updated on your 02 an setup correctly for you then it should rip!


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    The RFX is River Runs Through It

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    Hi

    Bumped into you in the line up for the lift last week,small world.
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    Jon, I think the 08 RFX does offer some improvements over the 02 that you can appreciate on both ends of the spectrum. More travel plus a lower leverage ratio is going to make it a better descender, lighter weight and RP23 rear shock improve the climbing ability. If 50% of your riding is chasing the xc guys then the 08 RFX will help with that better than the 09. From what you describe sounds like you would love the 08 version. Go for it.

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    Jon, here's another angle:
    If you have the patience to wait 6 months, try out the 09 (or read this forum for others' opinions) and then decide if its better or worse than the 08. I can only guess there will still be 08 frames out for the buying at that point.
    Uggy wise, you may feel like an idiot when the 09 comes out if you bought the 08 just before, even if in retrospect the 08 is the better bike for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof
    Bumped into you in the line up for the lift last week,small world.
    How did you do?
    Hi there! Who were you then? I saw a whole host of assorted Turners, although we did seem a bit out numbered by LaPierres, Intenses and SC Gonads.

    Me? Well I ate sh!t on my very first run and bust my wrist. Liberal doses of pain killers got me down a pre-ride of the main run, and allowed me to start my qualifier, (was holding my own, just) but it blew up near the end of the rocky section to the point where I couldn't even bear to rest my wrist on the bars. Not a happy bunny.

    I went up to watch the start of the main race (one of our group was in it), so joined the mass of cold sopping wet DHers stood under the cable car for an hour or so, before freezing my balls off (again)at the top of the hill.

    Great course, great event, great atmosphere. Need to do it again.

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    I also have an '02 RFX, and if I had extra $ burning a hole in my pocket right now I'd "upgrade" to an '08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    Jon, I think the 08 RFX does offer some improvements over the 02 that you can appreciate on both ends of the spectrum. More travel plus a lower leverage ratio is going to make it a better descender, lighter weight and RP23 rear shock improve the climbing ability. If 50% of your riding is chasing the xc guys then the 08 RFX will help with that better than the 09. From what you describe sounds like you would love the 08 version. Go for it.
    All of these are true, however the differences are far more subtle than people want to make them out to be. Are these worth another $1.2k? $1k? $700 To put it another way, if the frame retails for $2k, that's a 60% price premium; is the performance of the frame 60% different? Obviously not. Monetarily I think it's a terrible decision to pay that much for such little gain, but obviously my opinion is in the minority on this one. However it's not my money, and this is purely a subjective call so there is no right/wrong, just opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    All of these are true, however the differences are far more subtle than people want to make them out to be. Are these worth another $1.2k? $1k? $700 To put it another way, if the frame retails for $2k, that's a 60% price premium; is the performance of the frame 60% different? Obviously not. Monetarily I think it's a terrible decision to pay that much for such little gain, but obviously my opinion is in the minority on this one. However it's not my money, and this is purely a subjective call so there is no right/wrong, just opinions.
    chur...I agree. Its a bad idea to spend money on something you don't need. chur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Edwards
    Hi there! Who were you then? I saw a whole host of assorted Turners, although we did seem a bit out numbered by LaPierres, Intenses and SC Gonads.

    Me? Well I ate sh!t on my very first run and bust my wrist. Liberal doses of pain killers got me down a pre-ride of the main run, and allowed me to start my qualifier, (was holding my own, just) but it blew up near the end of the rocky section to the point where I couldn't even bear to rest my wrist on the bars. Not a happy bunny.

    I went up to watch the start of the main race (one of our group was in it), so joined the mass of cold sopping wet DHers stood under the cable car for an hour or so, before freezing my balls off (again)at the top of the hill.

    Great course, great event, great atmosphere. Need to do it again.
    Shame about that, it was a bit chilly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy
    All of these are true, however the differences are far more subtle than people want to make them out to be. However it's not my money, and this is purely a subjective call so there is no right/wrong, just opinions.
    I would be curious to know what your opinion is based on. Do you have significant time on an '08 RFX? How many rides, what sort of trails, what set-up differences etc? Just curious.

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    didnt he give up? maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactuscorn
    didnt he give up? maybe not.
    Hard to argue with someone who insists they're 100% correct. Even though DT himself says the '08 is no stiffer than the '02, FM insists it is...I do believe DT has ridden both of those models too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Hard to argue with someone who insists they're 100% correct. Even though DT himself says the '08 is no stiffer than the '02, FM insists it is...I do believe DT has ridden both of those models too.
    who cares what CactusChur, AM, and Dave Churner himself says...what does tscheezy say?

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    i dunno but ill bet it will include some big words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fochurzzle
    chur...I agree. Its a bad idea to spend money on something you don't need. chur
    esspecially if you don't ride em
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    FM insists it is...I do believe DT has ridden both of those models too.
    MY '08 RFX is noticably stiffer than my '02 was. When you mentioned this previously, you said DT mentioned a "stiffer rear" (he he). Did that include the newer, thicker 3D rockers, front triangle, thicker TNT drop-outs, relocated pivot location, or updates to pivot hardware, tolerances & fabrication processes? Of course it doesn't. To clarify, I'm talking about the whole frame, not just the rear. I can see that DT may have gone to lighter 5-spot chainstays to save weight (i.e. less stiff) but made the entire frame stiffer with these other improvements. I'm not callin' you and DT liarz, just sayin', stiffer chainstays does not mean a stiffer frame when so many other things have been refined over the years.

    Let's not forget that '02's are now 6 years old and may have developed flex over time, that you won't see on a brand new '08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    MY '08 RFX is noticably stiffer than my '02 was. When you mentioned this previously, you said DT mentioned a "stiffer rear" (he he). Did that include the newer, thicker 3D rockers, front triangle, thicker TNT drop-outs, relocated pivot location, or updates to pivot hardware, tolerances & fabrication processes? Of course it doesn't. To clarify, I'm talking about the whole frame, not just the rear. I can see that DT may have gone to lighter 5-spot chainstays to save weight (i.e. less stiff) but made the entire frame stiffer with these other improvements. I'm not callin' you and DT liarz, just sayin', stiffer chainstays does not mean a stiffer frame when so many other things have been refined over the years.

    Let's not forget that '02's are now 6 years old and may have developed flex over time, that you won't see on a brand new '08.
    Hey FM Rene, not saying either of you are wrong maybe what Rene is saying is with his 02 hes running updated suspension wheels through axles are better, lots of components which add to a greater sum of end quality compared to the same frame in 02 with 02 technology!

    So maybe on my wacky theory there's less of a difference re stiffnes, I kinda agree without riding em though that the new ratio changes in front tri which is lighter, [may also reduce some tortional stfiffness] should ride nicer in more XC/Am parts of the trail,

    Funny though I came off the same ratio 6inch travel bike which shall not be named and currently I have preffered my 06 ratio' wierd, I would love to throw a leg over the current RFX though for kicks and giggles, not that I can but still I can dream the dream!

    Just throwing that out there maybe thats where DT and Rene are coming from! All aside its kickarse that ya can update ya frame with new comps and stick have a kick ass ride, Turners rock! I do think we suffer a little from changing stuff too fast and not getting the tune right, so much more potentail to get out of a frame once ya get to know it, same goes for sus, tires ahh not that you could be accused of that FM you have that side way dialled so I don't doubt your theories etc etc!

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