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    Strangest Klein Pulse I've Seen

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem

    I'd say the tubing looks a little thin to be a Klein...and the "internal cables" are routed on the outside?

    By '97 the Klein Pulse was a Trek-built frame with banjo-type cabling over the top tube. I'd venture a guess that this is probably not a Klein.

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    Looks Thin 'Cause Its Steel

    Deffinately not a Klein Pulse in any way, shape, or form.
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    What a scammer.

    Clearly a choromoly bike with a threaded headset to boot.

    I just HAD to ask:

    Hi there. Are you sure this bike is a Klein? It appears to have the cables running outside the frame - Kleins had them inside. It also appears to be a steel frame - Kleins are aluminium. A 1997 bike would also have a threadless, inch and an eighth head tube - your bike is one inch threaded by the looks.
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    huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sideknob
    What a scammer.

    Clearly a choromoly bike with a threaded headset to boot.

    I just HAD to ask:

    Hi there. Are you sure this bike is a Klein? It appears to have the cables running outside the frame - Kleins had them inside. It also appears to be a steel frame - Kleins are aluminium. A 1997 bike would also have a threadless, inch and an eighth head tube - your bike is one inch threaded by the looks.
    This Klein has Internal tubing very Light and Fast...what the hell does this mean?
    two six is bet-ta

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    Righto. Here's the question I asked this guy:

    "Hi there. Are you sure this bike is a Klein? It appears to have the cables running outside the frame - Kleins had them inside. It also appears to be a steel frame - Kleins are aluminium. A 1997 bike would also have a threadless, inch and an eighth head tube - your bike is one inch threaded by the look."

    And here's the answer!

    "Yes it is a Klein Pulse.It is all aluminum frame,this is special made 4 racing down hill.thanks."


    So! A VALUABLE and RARE limited Klein Pulse special downhill racer!!
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    Hmmm

    That guy is semi-local to me.

    I should borrow my buddy's Pulse II and ride over there to check that bike out in person and see what he has to say then.
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    I better check my Pinnacle to see if it's one of them special downhill models.
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    God someone's bid $152 on it. And $67 postage on top!

    Most expensive lemon I've ever seen.
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    I seriously doubt that is a '97 Klein Pulse frame....

    Here are three pics of a circa 1995 Klein Pulse frame that I happened to spot on eBay. You can clearly see the internal cable routing already in place, with the more customary Klein tubing.
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    Didn't sell

    The reserved wasn't reached. For cripes sakes, if you're scamming someone, you don't set a reserve. You take the money and run...fast! Perhaps this person really believed they had a Klein?

    I sent a message to the two highest bidders and pointed them out to this thread. One said something seemed fishy, the other was surprised he could have been fooled.

    I told him that a lot of people didn't groove on people exploiting someone regarding older Kleins, but if it had been a Cannondale scam...eh, who cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    The reserved wasn't reached. For cripes sakes, if you're scamming someone, you don't set a reserve. You take the money and run...fast! Perhaps this person really believed they had a Klein?

    I sent a message to the two highest bidders and pointed them out to this thread. One said something seemed fishy, the other was surprised he could have been fooled.

    I told him that a lot of people didn't groove on people exploiting someone regarding older Kleins, but if it had been a Cannondale scam...eh, who cares.

    Penguin
    There was just too much that was too obvious. From the frame tubing to the component spec, it just SCREAMED "scam"...

    What I found hilarious was when the seller stated in an earlier post to "Sideknob" that the bike was "especially made for racing downhill". I guess the seller thinks he's John Tomac, too

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Machine
    There was just too much that was too obvious. From the frame tubing to the component spec, it just SCREAMED "scam"...

    What I found hilarious was when the seller stated in an earlier post to "Sideknob" that the bike was "especially made for racing downhill". I guess the seller thinks he's John Tomac, too
    Nah, no Tioga Tension Disc in sight......
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    You can spot a Klein right away by the "micro" rear entry dropouts.
    This bike is crap.

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    "Crap" is an understatement....

    It's a real POS. And the guy is a J@ckass for scamming.

    While we're scrutinizing for discrepancies, check out the chainstays on the Silver Pulse pics. I've owned 5 Kleins over a 15 year period, and IMO, the square-to-circular chainstay design still remains one of the sexiest frame details ever .

    ...I guess the "special downhill frame" used conventional chainstays with off-the-shelf dropouts complete with braze-ons for a bike rack.

    Yep...that guy's selling one special Klein all right.

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    Up to $152 now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideknob
    Up to $152 now.
    It seems that the bidding has ended for that auction...boy, I hope the poor guy who bid the $152 looked elsewhere for his rig.

    However, that frame looks eerily similar to a steel 1996 Specialized Hardrock. I have one of those bikes as a beater, and if you remove the clearcoat and decals, you'd have a dead ringer right down to the dropouts for that "Klein-terfeit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Machine
    I hope the poor guy who bid the $152 looked elsewhere for his rig.
    It didn't reach reserve and the two high bidders, once alerted, weren't going any higher.

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    It's back and even better than before!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem

    Yep, "Klein Pulse" has made a return and it's even better than before. This time it even says "Klein Pulse" on it. It wasn't there on the first posting but it's there now. It says it's a Pulse, so who are we to pontificate, arrogantly pontificate, and say, "It's not a Pulse."

    Previously, one could (I say could, it's a stretch, but work with me) have come to the conclusion that it was an ignorant seller. Now it's blown way past that into outright fraud. The least the guy could do is to try a little harder, you know, honor among thieves sort of thing.

    Heh-heh.

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    Now the bike is relisted, and it magically has Klein logos on the frame.

    Check it out:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem

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    Quote Originally Posted by john2006
    Now the bike is relisted, and it magically has Klein logos on the frame.

    Check it out:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem
    That would be like me scrawling "Hummer" logos on my Toyota 4Runner and trying to pass it off as a Hummer...of course, in my case, that would be a step backwards (we're talking about the H2 & H3).

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    Check it out now

    The seller had to create a NEW account in order to buy it over the reserve.

    When it pops up again it may be the new seller auctiobid12345.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem

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    John2006,
    What a cowinkadink. You are from the same state as the seller. Go knock on his door and crack his aggies.
    He is in Little Chute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem

    Yep, "Klein Pulse" has made a return and it's even better than before. This time it even says "Klein Pulse" on it. It wasn't there on the first posting but it's there now. It says it's a Pulse, so who are we to pontificate, arrogantly pontificate, and say, "It's not a Pulse."

    Previously, one could (I say could, it's a stretch, but work with me) have come to the conclusion that it was an ignorant seller. Now it's blown way past that into outright fraud. The least the guy could do is to try a little harder, you know, honor among thieves sort of thing.

    Heh-heh.

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    Aaaah, our favorite "Klein-terfeit" is back....superb

    Has anyone reported that clown to eBay yet?

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    No, he's definately legit, he owns a bike shop too... he said so.

    and to quote him, when I decided to question his bike...

    Yes,It sure is a Klein,Look at the other Klein Pulse mountain bike on ebay.Its a Klein Pulse Comp.Thanks.Clint S.I own a bike shop.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Machine
    Aaaah, our favorite "Klein-terfeit" is back....superb

    Has anyone reported that clown to eBay yet?

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    the sudden appearance of the klein stickers is hilarious

    what a piece of crapp this guy is

    i would never buy a bike on ebay

    a friend of mine made 3 attempts to buy a used trek fuel on ebay, and each time it turned out to be a scam

    he would get "outbid" at the last minute, then get this email message in broken english telling him that he could still get the bike at his last bid price - all he had to do was send his money to a listed addresss, and they would send the bike right to him

    he finally picked up a demo model at the lbs for cheap, and is very happy with it

    you just can't beat having the opportunity to actually look at the bike you are buying
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Machine
    Has anyone reported that clown to eBay yet?
    Yeah, I did last night. Don't know what they do afterwards, but due to privacy regs, I doubt they would tell anyone anything they do.

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    That guy

    That guy is a nascar goob.

    I am extremely sorry if I offended any true goobs that detest nascar.

    Me, I like a little nascar now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clunger
    the sudden appearance of the klein stickers is hilarious

    what a piece of crapp this guy is

    i would never buy a bike on ebay

    a friend of mine made 3 attempts to buy a used trek fuel on ebay, and each time it turned out to be a scam

    he would get "outbid" at the last minute, then get this email message in broken english telling him that he could still get the bike at his last bid price - all he had to do was send his money to a listed addresss, and they would send the bike right to him

    he finally picked up a demo model at the lbs for cheap, and is very happy with it

    you just can't beat having the opportunity to actually look at the bike you are buying
    Looks like he "outbid" himself again

    Who knows? Maybe next time, he'll remember to put the word "Comp" on the bike

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    The stem says 'Spectre'... my recollection is that Spectre was the in-house / OEM equipment name for Jamis parts, so that's probably a very early 90's Jamis. Dunno' why he'd have to scam on the name, early Jamis bikes were pretty good. Looking at the lug-thingy at the seatpost clamp area, it definitly looks like an old Jamis frame.

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    Klein Pulse...the Return Pt. III

    Yep...it's back! Not once, not twice, but it's back for the third time.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    Yep...it's back! Not once, not twice, but it's back for the third time.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1997-Klein-Pulse...QQcmdZViewItem

    'Guin
    This bike is starting to become like one of those bugs that you just can't kill

    ...and once again, he lists it as a "downhill racer"

    So, I guess THIS time, he chose to spiffy the bike up and hang it in a garage with other bikes to make his "bike-shop-owner" claim legit (as well as to make the "Klein-terfeit" look authentic as well)

    Some people just never learn
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    Well, he spiffed up the background to give it that authentic feel, but the pictures are all kind of fuzzed...that way it's harder to see that it's not what it's supposed to be.

    Hey, you have to give him credit. He is trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    Well, he spiffed up the background to give it that authentic feel, but the pictures are all kind of fuzzed...that way it's harder to see that it's not what it's supposed to be.

    Hey, you have to give him credit. He is trying.

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    I will admit...his persistence is admirable

    Imagine how much he could sell if his items were actually legitimate

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    stopped

    i contacted klein/trek and they're looking into it.....
    two six is bet-ta

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    What's funny is that it's probably a Jamis, and a vintage Jamis wouldn't be too bad. If he took the Klein sticker off and put on a Jamis sticker nobody would be bothering him at all. Why try to sell it as a Klein? Older steel bikes are damn nice. All he'd have to do is re-sticker it as a Jamis Dakota or Dakar and he'd fall off our radar entirely and have a (semi) legit auction on his hands. Duh.
    Spectre was the house brand parts for Jamis- the bike has Spectre stem and bar. Seat post clamp detail pretty much confirms that it's a Jamis. He's got a halfway decent bike on his hands, he's just ignorantly passing it off as something else. My boss at the shop I used to work at had one of the early 90's Jamis Dakars, and it was a great hardtail.

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    ...So I emailed the guy, told him that he had a Jamis, not a Klein, politely explained that a Jamis was a pretty good bike and that he should just sell it as a Jamis. That would get us off his back, make his auction legit, etc.

    He sent back this message:

    "YA SURE,GET A REAL BIKE.I OWN 100,S OF THEM."

    I think he must be retarded.

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    Check out some of his past auctions:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7228993057

    Sold a Gary Fisher Marlin for $320 plus 67.40 shipping. Check out the description:

    Hi,,Up 4 Auction is my,2005 Gary Fisher 18inch Marlin,Gold Series all Aluminum 24 Speed Genesis Frame Mountain Racing Bike,This bike has,Extra Big tubing on top and down end tubes,Bike weighs only 22 pounds,It has Disc set up,!.It has Tektro brakes,with Kalloy stem and Ritchey force Lite 2014 T6 180gms Aluminum handlebars,with Roost bar ends,Shimano speed shifters and Shimano Deore rear and front deraillers,Bontrager Sport crank spocket and arms,Race Pedals,Bontrager sport seat post,with Select Cro-mo rails and racing saddle,Heavy Duty Axel Manitou racing fork with lockouts,WTB Duel Duty 6061 Rims with Shimano Parallax sealed Hubs,with Jones XR 26x2.20 Bontrager racing tires,I,m selling at a,(,LOW RESERVE,).If ya have any questions,Just ask me,Thank you,
    You've got to love that 22 lb weight and the 'disc setup'.

    Not to mention the feedback he got:
    Poor communication, item was sent incomplete, would not resolve. Never again!

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    Look at the kind of stuff he buys:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7217114498

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    In fact, a lot of what he buys is bike decals. Suspicious?

    You buy alot of decals from me,and its always great and no problems. A+A+A+A+A+
    Seller rideviciouscycle ( 83)

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    Let's see if we can get him interested... here's a copy of the email I just sent him.

    Hi, I'm interested in bidding on your Klein, but can you give me some history behind it? Where did you get it? How much has it been ridden? What size is it?
    Thanks so much for your time!

    -Fred

    (Fred's not really my name, but hey, anyone bidding on this is probably named Fred anyway, right?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by floatch
    Let's see if we can get him interested... here's a copy of the email I just sent him.

    Hi, I'm interested in bidding on your Klein, but can you give me some history behind it? Where did you get it? How much has it been ridden? What size is it?
    Thanks so much for your time!

    -Fred

    (Fred's not really my name, but hey, anyone bidding on this is probably named Fred anyway, right?)
    That's hilarious; you're the man.

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    Okay guys, he's bitten. Here's his response, copied and pasted. The CAPS are all his. I guess I could have guessed his response would be in all capital letters.

    HI,FRED,IT WAS MY FRIENDS,HE OWNED ME MONEY,ABOUT 300 MILES IT WAS RIDDEN,SIZE LARGE,THANKS,CLINT,


    So, in which direction shall we take this? I must reply, that much is certain. What should I say?

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    Have we stumbled on to something bigger here?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    In fact, a lot of what he buys is bike decals. Suspicious?
    Interesting.

    Now I'm starting to wonder if some of those bikes we see in the background were obtained via a five-finger discount

    That could explain his buying the decals to slap on some of those rides

    (My theory might be a reach...but it makes sense at the same time)

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    Gone, with a BIN!

    Ok, looks like auctionbid12345 (with feedback of -1, nope not a misprint, -1) has bought it with a buy-it-now.

    This is the same "bidder" who did a BIN for the last time the bike was on auction. Looks like he left the "bidder" i.e. himself, negative feedback yet still allowed the "bidder" to do a BIN again.

    The seller & auctionbid12345 must have had a reconciliation...I'm sure they shared a hug afterwards. I might add him to my favorite sellers and watch what other stuff comes out.

    Heh-heh.

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    It's Back!

    Coming at you once again, not once, not twice, not thrice, not...ah..not...err, what would be the fourth time?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

    The Machine, you're right, it is like one those bugs that just keeps coming back or perhaps it's like the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguwin
    Coming at you once again, not once, not twice, not thrice, not...ah..not...err, what would be the fourth time?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

    The Machine, you're right, it is like one those bugs that just keeps coming back or perhaps it's like the picture.

    'Guin
    I was wondering when someone would post a pic of the Energizer Bunny

    As crazy as this may sound, I'm actually looking FORWARD to seeing what the "Klein Con" comes up with next

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    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT

    Once again. How much do you suppose the listing and the ebay fees are on this bike by now? He pays for the extra photos, the reserve price, and the buy it now, lists it five times... think about it. I remember that ebay charged kind of a lot for that, plus the final sale fee which is based on a percentage... He could've saved himself a lot of money just by listing it as a vintage Jamis. Hell, I like Jamis bikes. What a dip.

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    Wow, now he's only accepting check or money order. That's not a red flag right there or anything.

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    I added this nut to my favorite sellers, so I can keep tabs on him. I just find him to be infinitely entertaining.

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