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    Pics of the new Palomino monolink upgrade

    Just thought I would share a few pics of the new Maverick monolink. Nicely constructed and some interesting differences when compared to the stock link.

    First a shot of the new link. Notice the location of the BB



    Now a shot of the Palomino link (on the bike still). Again notice the location of the BB which is pretty close to centered and much different than the Maverick upgrade.



    Maverick link derailleur cable routing. Note the angle of the cable guide



    Now another of the Maverick cable routing. Very different. It doesn't seem like the FD shift cable location would be that much different.



    Another side-by-side pic.



    Gratuitous bike shot w/custom "hanging" front disc brake mod and chest-puncher stem.


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    nice - thanks for sharing.

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    now that is a fine looking steed!!

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    I never realized how fugly the original links were...

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S
    Just thought I would share a few pics of the new Maverick monolink. Nicely constructed and some interesting differences when compared to the stock link.

    First a shot of the new link. Notice the location of the BB



    Now a shot of the Palomino link (on the bike still). Again notice the location of the BB which is pretty close to centered and much different than the Maverick upgrade.



    Maverick link derailleur cable routing. Note the angle of the cable guide



    Now another of the Maverick cable routing. Very different. It doesn't seem like the FD shift cable location would be that much different.



    Another side-by-side pic.



    Gratuitous bike shot w/custom "hanging" front disc brake mod and chest-puncher stem.

    That looks like a sweet upgrade. How did you find out about it? Where did you get it? What are the benefits and how much was it? It looks like a nice piece that I need on my palomino.

    Ryan H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Better suited to non-aggressive 125# gals named Russell.
    I ride so slow, your Garmin will shut off.

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    Sweet thanks! Now I just gotta save some coin to get the new link.

    Ryan H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparst
    now that is a fine looking steed!!

    Thanks sparst, I did get the steerer tube cut-down and hopefully my disc brake allen screws will be in the mail still this week and I can finally get a decent ride in on the bike before tearing it down and putting the new link in it.

    I was trolling around on ebay the other day and they had some of the 05's on liquidation price at $1700 dollars!!! Man, I got a good deal, but not that good! Sometimes I would rather not know I guess, but buying one of those low-dollar 05's then upgrading to the new link and few other choice parts and you have a killer ride for a really good price.

    I had to laugh reading scaryjerry's comment, the stock link does look a lot different...almost like its been hand molded out of grey clay!

    All I can say is thumbs-up to the Maverick folks as they really seem to be on top of their niche market with some really creative designs, including a really well thought out upgrade for the Palomino's!

    Jeff

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    personally I like the look of the original better, but more importantly how does it perform. The BB location should be doing something different-more clearance, different travel? The cable routing looks like it could be a good thing as well. I'm intrigued, so far I haven't had any problems with mine, but if I do I will probably get the kit.

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    anyone in the UK got one yet? If so where from and how much? thanks!

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    i'm going to try and phone maverick direct later on tonight or tomorrow to see if they'll ship direct to me . . . not had the time to do so yet.

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    u can order it direct from their web site-found this tidbit on their site too:

    Q: What's the difference between the older magnesium MonoLink and the new alloy MonoLink?
    A: The new alloy MonoLink has the same outer dimensions as the older MonoLink but the bottom bracket position has been moved slightly up and forward. This new position allows the ride to be more active on the small bumps and even more supple while out of the saddle on downhills. Although the new alloy link is about 80 grams heavier, the durability has increased tenfold. These are available as upgrades. (Note: the magnesium MonoLink has 68mm BB width; the Alloy BB width is 73mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicguy
    u can order it direct from their web site-found this tidbit on their site too:

    Q: What's the difference between the older magnesium MonoLink and the new alloy MonoLink?
    A: The new alloy MonoLink has the same outer dimensions as the older MonoLink but the bottom bracket position has been moved slightly up and forward. This new position allows the ride to be more active on the small bumps and even more supple while out of the saddle on downhills. Although the new alloy link is about 80 grams heavier, the durability has increased tenfold. These are available as upgrades. (Note: the magnesium MonoLink has 68mm BB width; the Alloy BB width is 73mm.
    That information on the Maverick website is comparing the old Maverick magnesium monolink and the new Maverick alloy monolink. It is specifically comparing the old and new Maverick units, and not a comparison between the old Klein Palomino monolink unit and the new Maverick retrofit monolink unit. So the weight differences may be less or more than the 80grams and thats something I will try to check and report on next week when I do the change-out. As far as the 73mm and 68mm BB change it isn't a factor for the Palomino upgrade kit which is a direct retrofit without having to change the BB.

    BTW- Not trying to be a smart-a$$, but just don't want someone thinking they will have to change-out BB's to make the kit work...

    Jeff

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    I realize that-I guess I should have clarified, my point was that the relocation of the BB position should yield similar changes. I'd be curious if you notice a difference in the ride.

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    Musicguy-

    I figured you probably knew, but just wanted to make sure that no one got confused on that detail. I think banks who has posted in this thread and other monolink threads has had a pretty good experience with the differences between the two monolinks. I will have mine on next week when I get back to St.Louis, but unfortunately won't have a decent reference to the charactersitics of the original monolink.

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    ah - you can order it online now . . . that wasn't there before . . . UK delivery seems about $55 .


    i think the VISA is gonna take a hit tomorrow me thinks!

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    There it is...

    In all it's glory. Haven't taken it out on a ride yet, but the suspension definitely seems a ton smoother... Ride report coming up later.

    -don
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    Is that the d-mount kit and using the monolink's cable routing instead of a rollamajig? Does that work better?

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    New d-mount...

    Quote Originally Posted by kennon
    Is that the d-mount kit and using the monolink's cable routing instead of a rollamajig? Does that work better?
    I've got the new style d-mount which does not have a cable stop on it to put a rollamajig, so you have to use the monlink cable stop. It seems to work fine for me. I've put on a R443 front derailluer and the cable comes pretty close to the shock body. I think at worst it'll scrape the finish off the shock body - I could care less. Nice light shifting action. Supposedly, the new monolink is supposed to work okay with the standard E-Types, but I haven't heard anything official from maverick in this regard. I had a d-mount already, so I used it.

    -don

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    After installing my new link I pulled the shift wire back through the casing and nipped-off about 2" of excess housing, placed the cap/ferrule back on the cable end and threaded the wire back through reinstalling it through the new Maverick link (also used the piece of teflon tube to keep things slick). No new cable or housing required.

    Mine is set up with the regular E-type deraillure and works fine. No problems shifting up or down, other than the shift to the big ring takes a bit of force to transition to the chain ring. Nothing terrible mind you, but the sti type shifters make it a bit more difficult than say a nice set of shimano trigger shifters, or grip shift.

    My 05 bike came with an XTR FD from the factory and it seems to work well.

    Jeff

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    I have the older D mount with the cable guide and I decided that it would be smoother to use the rollamajig and skip the integrated guide on the monolink. A rolling wheel will be smoother than any cable guide; even one with a teflon sleeve.
    To make the rollamajig fit properly I had to cut off the guide and then file it down. Not a big issue with dremel and cutting disk. Of course the nice black paint job is ruined but I willfix that in the future.

    As for the new monolink IMO it was woirth the $250 and installation was pretty easy, except for beating the crap out of one of my sockets removing the old bushings.

    Right away I found the ride is is noticably much smoother than the stock bushings which were 2 years old (but had been serviced). Even though I ride in a dry area the location for the bushings is such that it is easy for moisture will work its way in and cause problems.

    To compensate for the changed BB position, I did move my seat slightly forward and up but found the change wasn't enough to result in a different the stem length.

    End of the season I will put a custom powder coat paint job on the bike and my ride will be better than new.

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    wow this bike has a crazy rear sus setup... at first I couldnt tell how it even works.

    But now i think I see, instead of the rear wheel going up on impact, you have to be placing weight on the pedals and you actually drop the pedals down and lower the rear half of the frame instead of the frame going up with traditional sus correct?

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    its a hard one to explain, but its best to think of the suspension reponsding to downwards force being placed on front pivot of the link the bulk of which is generated by the weight of the rider..

    Assume that the front pivot is fully suspended by the shock and the rear pivot is not suspended ( cause its directly attached to the rear wheel ):

    if seated, all the rider weight will travel down the seat tube right onto the front pivot. the suspension then becomes soft an supple as a large weight is making the suspension work.

    if the rider stands up on the pedals, then the rider's weight is split between the rear wheel ( which is non-suspension and the front pivot which is suspended. Since the weight on the front pivot is substantially reduced, then the suspension doesn't move as much ( cause the forces are less ) - it effectively stiffens up.

    Its for this reason that the Palomino ( and Maverick ) monolink setup manages to be supple and ground tracking whilst in the saddle climbing yet becomes much stiffer ( minimal bob ) and more like a hardtail when standing. All without the need for fancy valving, lock outs etc etc.

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    Good explanation I can see it now, thanks for the feedback.

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    rear swinger?

    @ N10S,

    hi,

    that rear swinger looks nice - is that the '05 frame?

    i notice a couple of other changes from my XV '04 - 3 guides for the rear brake cable ..

    ciao ... ragetty

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    Hi All,

    Just surfin' around and stumbled on this thread about the Maverick upgrade. I've got an '04 palomino which has recently started being a bit "sticky" at the back end. I stripped the monolink and cleaned the bushes, which has helped but not completely solved it. Iíve found the upgrade on the Maverick web site, which is tempting. With the rear shock off the bike and the air pressure at zero it seems sticky too. Once the shock starts compressing itís ok but thereís some resistance at the start of the travel. I guess this isnít a problem as the pre-load solves it.

    Anyway, Iím interested in all your comments about the upgrade, they seem to suggest itís the way to go.

    Andy.

    P.S. My Ď04 bike has the 3 fixings for the rear brake cable too.

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    3 on the main triangle (top tube)?

    ragetty

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    Correct, 3 U section lugs on the LHS of the top tube, about 120į from the top. Practical but ugly when the shifter cables have been neatly feed into the tube.

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    Heck Yea the Upgrade Works

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWay
    Hi All,

    Just surfin' around and stumbled on this thread about the Maverick upgrade. I've got an '04 palomino which has recently started being a bit "sticky" at the back end. I stripped the monolink and cleaned the bushes, which has helped but not completely solved it. I’ve found the upgrade on the Maverick web site, which is tempting. With the rear shock off the bike and the air pressure at zero it seems sticky too. Once the shock starts compressing it’s ok but there’s some resistance at the start of the travel. I guess this isn’t a problem as the pre-load solves it.

    Anyway, I’m interested in all your comments about the upgrade, they seem to suggest it’s the way to go.

    Andy.

    P.S. My ‘04 bike has the 3 fixings for the rear brake cable too.
    Completely, totally, utterly worth it all the way. My wife and I were both riding 2004 Palominos (no conversion) until someone yanked both of them out of our garage a couple weeks back. We picked up two 2005 Palominos and the upgrade kits this weekend--got them installed and a test ride in on the best trail in North America (the rooty Northridge Trail outside of Corvallis, OR).

    I was in love with the climbing ability and design of the '04 bikes, and didn't think that this swap could really change that much. I was wrong. Climbing ability was substantially improved, in that every small rock or depression in the trail was absorbed, then the energy smoothly transfered into forward momentum. Downhill riding through the roots and drops were also improved largely due to an increase in overall smooth movement in the monolink (which makes sense: bushings vs. bearings). And, on that note, consider that replacing the bushings one time (on my wife's '04 bike) cost me $90 and involved the same amount of labor as installing the new Maverick monolink. You are only two bushing replacements away from paying for the real deal...

    Maverick rocks for making this upgrade possible--they seem to be the perfect synthesis between quality bicycle engineering and impecable customer support.

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    crawfose,

    thanks for the comments. I've ordered the kit now and I'm itching to get it fitted. Your comment about two sets of bushes costing the same amount of money is good, I'll tell the wife....

    Andrew.

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    maverick palomino upgrade ...

    wow!!

    not only was the installation a piece of cake, but this upgrade:

    i). has sweetened up the rear suspension very nicely indeed,
    ii). has solved clearance issues with the XTR E-type FD lifting the chain when using the rear travel and running low gearing at the front with higher gearing at the back,
    iii). looks the business ...

    to solve the stiction issue with the old bearings and to give general better response (for me, anyway), i had been running the rear shock at 60-65% body weight, meaning about 40% sag - in fact, this was not a problem, as in the rough i was up on the pedals anyway, and we all know that the rear hardens up to give less sag. this compromise actually worked quite well, apart from the clearance issue mentioned above, although some tweaking of the FD rotation around the BB made this acceptable. with the upgrade, although i certainly won't be going up to the recommended level (90% ?!?), i can now increase the pressure somewhat and stay seated for longer ...

    another plus is that i can better tell where the rebound adjuster needs to be set.

    ciao ... ragetty
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    Guys,

    Forgiving me for hijacking this thread, but obviously several people are considering upgrading their Palomino monolinks, and I have several parts which may be of interest to some of you.

    I have:

    1 x new Al monolink. I planned on upgrading the Magnesium link on my Maverick, but then upgraded to the ML7/5 instead so never used it.
    2 x new magnesium monolinks (which are lighter as mentioned and supposably not as durable as the new al version, although I used the Mg versions for 5 years without any issues. These were purchased as spares as I travel a lot in far away places, but I never needed them. If the new monolinks are a bit pricey, these may be a good alternative, but as someone mentioned they are 68mm BB shell. No big deal with the new X-type Cranksets (just an extra spacer on each side) but could be with some older ones.

    1 x ML7/3 shock. This is the all-air version which I used probably about 5 times before changing to the ML7/5. This made a huge difference to the ride IMHO. Way plusher than the coil/air version, and way more adjustable.

    1 x E-Type XTR derailleur. I changed over to a Dura-ace front derailleur.

    Once again, my apologies, I'm not trying to SPAM people here, but have these parts sitting around and never bothered to list them on MTBR.com as I thought they were so specialized that no-one would be interested. Maybe I was wrong.....

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    Serenity Now, i tried to mail you, but had no luck, seems you turned off the option in your profile.

    Please mail me at: j-lo @ (<-- remove spaces) teamhustler.dk as I am interested in the monolinks, maybe we can work something out?

    Kind regards
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    May not work

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now
    Guys,

    Forgiving me for hijacking this thread, but obviously several people are considering upgrading their Palomino monolinks, and I have several parts which may be of interest to some of you.

    I have:

    1 x new Al monolink. I planned on upgrading the Magnesium link on my Maverick, but then upgraded to the ML7/5 instead so never used it.
    2 x new magnesium monolinks (which are lighter as mentioned and supposably not as durable as the new al version, although I used the Mg versions for 5 years without any issues. These were purchased as spares as I travel a lot in far away places, but I never needed them. If the new monolinks are a bit pricey, these may be a good alternative, but as someone mentioned they are 68mm BB shell. No big deal with the new X-type Cranksets (just an extra spacer on each side) but could be with some older ones.

    1 x ML7/3 shock. This is the all-air version which I used probably about 5 times before changing to the ML7/5. This made a huge difference to the ride IMHO. Way plusher than the coil/air version, and way more adjustable.

    1 x E-Type XTR derailleur. I changed over to a Dura-ace front derailleur.

    Once again, my apologies, I'm not trying to SPAM people here, but have these parts sitting around and never bothered to list them on MTBR.com as I thought they were so specialized that no-one would be interested. Maybe I was wrong.....
    Don't mean to pi55 on anyones chips BUT if these are the original monolinks for Mavericks - they won't fit the Klein Palomino without a degree of modification to the frame or monolink.

    The Maverick Mono-link is specially made for the Palomino and is a slightly different size to the original Maverick Unit.

    I recall a guy by the name of 'Angry Asian' trying the retro fit of the original Maverick link to a Palomino and he had to get the link machined to fit (or the frame!!)- he did a write up on it somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skleins
    Don't mean to pi55 on anyones chips BUT if these are the original monolinks for Mavericks - they won't fit the Klein Palomino without a degree of modification to the frame or monolink.

    The Maverick Mono-link is specially made for the Palomino and is a slightly different size to the original Maverick Unit.

    I recall a guy by the name of 'Angry Asian' trying the retro fit of the original Maverick link to a Palomino and he had to get the link machined to fit (or the frame!!)- he did a write up on it somewhere.

    Thanks skleins, sounds right.... if it was the same, we would have used the Maverick ones for ages right...
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    Ah, good to know. It does indeed make sense I'm glad I found that out before shipping my spare links off to some soon-to-be disappointed person.

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    Link to retrofit maverick original

    http://www.angryasian.com/phpBB2/vie...klein+palomino

    Thought I'd post anyway - may be useful if anyone has a lathe, Klein Palomino and a feeling of bravery

    Thankfully Maverick has their simple bolt-on solution.

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    Still gotta be worth something

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now
    Ah, good to know. It does indeed make sense I'm glad I found that out before shipping my spare links off to some soon-to-be disappointed person.
    S.N - You may still have luck selling these on ebay - The Maverick, like the Palomino has a cult following - spares seem easy to shift.

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    skleins

    Thanks for the tip. I may put an add here on MTBR.com first and go from there. I'm not too concerned about selling the parts, but any bit of extra cash helps right??

    Just to confuse matters more. I got a reply from Ethan at Maverick saying that the Maverick link "should bolt right in" to a Klein Palomino. That would appear to contradict what Angryasian has found out.

    Ethan has proven himself to be incredibly knowledgable and helpful in all my dealings with Maverick (in fact everyone there has been that way), so I don't know what to believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now
    skleins

    Just to confuse matters more. I got a reply from Ethan at Maverick saying that the Maverick link "should bolt right in" to a Klein Palomino. That would appear to contradict what Angryasian has found out.

    Ethan has proven himself to be incredibly knowledgable and helpful in all my dealings with Maverick (in fact everyone there has been that way), so I don't know what to believe
    This HAS TO BE in reference to the new monolink kit upgrade made by Maverick specifically for the Klein Palomino. The old Mav monolinks DO NOT just bolt in to Kleins--there was some precise metal working that had to be done for this to be achieved. Just keeping everyone on the same page here.

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    ML7's and Palomino's have different bottom bracket widths.

    Serenity Now... give me a shout about the 7/3 shock. I have the orginal 7/1. Thanks

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    Just fitted my upgrade kit today and I'm very pleased with it. I hadn't realised how bad the bushes had got. I highly recommend this to anyone thinking about fitting it.

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