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    Klein bikes and delusions of grandeur -- flame on!

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/327818393.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/326012324.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/325005805.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/324014048.html

    Ummm, I don't mean to start too much crap here (well, maybe a little...), but posts like these show up all the time. What is up with Klein owners and their perceived resale value? It's just a hair nicer that the average Giant or Schwinn beer can HT frame, so why embarrass yourself by asking nearly a grand or more for a $275 bike?

    Was it a nice bike new? Sure. Is it a nice bike now? It's just fine I suppose. But an 8 year old alloy HT bike by any maker shouldn't run a dime over $300 used, IMHO.

    Some of you guys need a reality check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 105millimetersofpleasure
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/327818393.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/326012324.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/325005805.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/324014048.html

    Ummm, I don't mean to start too much crap here (well, maybe a little...), but posts like these show up all the time. What is up with Klein owners and their perceived resale value? It's just a hair nicer that the average Giant or Schwinn beer can HT frame, so why embarrass yourself by asking nearly a grand or more for a $275 bike?

    Was it a nice bike new? Sure. Is it a nice bike now? It's just fine I suppose. But an 8 year old alloy HT bike by any maker shouldn't run a dime over $300 used, IMHO.

    Some of you guys need a reality check.

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    You are right and I own a couple. I would feel guilty charging those prices. I guess its the name. Some people think their poop is plated with gold.

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    ... and if we just ... I'd prefer..

    I'd prefer gold plated poop over anyone elses regular poop any day.

    Hmm, an eight year old Jamis, or KHS or Giant or Trek for that matter is NOT even close to the same as thev alue for the [i]correct[i/] model and year of a Klein. I.d take an eight year old 9.8 though.
    It is kind of like comparing a 1988 Yugo to an '88 Ferrari. The Klein being the Ferrari of course.

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    I love my Klein's, but If I can get the same I paid for them 4-10 years ago they would probably be for sale.
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    Those people are on crack thninking they can get that much for a used HT. I own a 99 Attitude Comp SS with a lot of upgrades and know the max I could get would be around $550.

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    I just think it's funny that a lot of people claim to have a pre-Trek Klein. Trek purchased Klein in 94 but didn't move the machinery until after 99 (maybe as late as 2002, I can't rememer). Even today, the precision, manipulation and difference between a Klein and almost all other aluminum frames is still significant. It costs more and takes more time for Trek to produce two mountain bike chain stays for a Klein than it does for a whole Trek road aluminum frame. Even those who appreciate and want what is "the best" in class, IMO, would be crazy to pay some of the prices these folks are asking.

    Especially the Mantra. Take my word for it, that bike handles waaaaay better with a rigid fork. That is how Gary Klein designed it. A single shock that can act as two since the pivot is uber high on the top tube. Anyways...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by lew s lugnut
    I just think it's funny that a lot of people claim to have a pre-Trek Klein. Trek purchased Klein in 94 but didn't move the machinery until after 99 (maybe as late as 2002, I can't rememer).
    I believe it was in 2003 when they moved the machinery off to wisconsin. I've got a 2002 washington made klein...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blehargh
    I believe it was in 2003 when they moved the machinery off to wisconsin. I've got a 2002 washington made klein...

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    Nope, 2001. Your bike is probably a 2001 if made in WA.

    http://www.totalbike.com/news/article/517/

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    Sorry, some 2002 models did come from WA. They moved in Feb 2002.

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    2002

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    Nope, 2001. Your bike is probably a 2001 if made in WA.

    http://www.totalbike.com/news/article/517/
    I think Blehargh is more correct. The "total" article is pure speculation . Predicting the future, so to speak.

    I remember discussing it at the LBS (one of the #1 sellers ) during the final shut down process.

    Both, Waterloo and Chehalis were in opperation for several years working on Kleins.

    I had a Mantra repainted in 02. It went to Waterloo. My LBS was getting Adroits from Chehalis the same year.

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    Here is a link to the auction for the equipment from the Chehalis factory, equipment auctioned June 5, 2002 link

    It closed in Feb 2002 link


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    I'm not exactly sure what the point of your original post is. If a person is selling a Klein, or anything for that matter, and someone is willing to pay the price that they are asking, then the price is NOT too high. If the price IS too high, then no one will buy it. If there is a population of people that are willing to pay a premium for a Klein then perhaps there is some valid reason for it in their minds. If you do not share their opinion that a Klein is worth a premium price, then don't buy one.

    In order to provide full disclosure I own a '91 Klein Attitude that has never had one single component fail since I have owned it. I bought it at my LBS brand new. The only things I have replaced due to wear were the brake shoes and tubes & tires. Even the cables are original. I switched out the seat and pedals, but rode about 6 years on those and still have them. Switched for personal perference. I know, I know, Klein did not manufacture anything but the frame, but I am just letting you know that I purchased a quality "package" with the Klein name on it, and that package has performed in a fashion that would suggest premium value. Perhaps other Klein owners have had the same sort of experience that would lead them to the conclusion that they would be willing to pay a premium price for certain Kleins.

    I also own an '05 Palomino.

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    Ignore the asking prices; the selling price is what shows the true current value.

    You got to look at Kleins carefully. Some of the nice early pre Trek models are selling for a lot of money, to collectors I guess. Some of the less pretty low end budget Kleins built by Trek aren't worth a premium price, though the frames work okay if decent components are added. Some of the modern post Trek disc ready used Klein Attitudes seem like an excellent value for a high performance hardtail frame, even if they lack the nostalgia. To confound it, many sellers are not accurate in their descriptions; half can't even get the fame size listed right. But I would pay extra for the right Klein, because the quality of the build adds so much extra excitement even if the differences in the ride are small. Sure I could buy a mass produced carbon fiber frame from China today for pretty cheap but there would be nothing interesting about it. Being excited and having fun riding your mountain bike is what it is all about.

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    I was not able to see the original CL posts before they went away but I'll make some assumptions here.

    I'm a vintage Klein collector and fan and regardless of where the bikes were made, if it was a 97 model or later, it was not a pre-trek Klein. It wasn't just about the machinery or tubeset but once Trek took over, it no longer had the special doo-dads (pressed in headset and BB, big fat rigid forks, etc) that made a Klein special. I have no problem whatsoever paying 4 figures for a really nice Klein and have done it a number of times.

    I'm not saying that a 97 Klein isn't a good bike but it just doesn't have that pizazz that would make me buy it. For the record, I have nine Kleins ranging from an 88 Pinnacle Elite to 96 Attitudes, both rigid & suspension.

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    Yet another...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xJumper

    In order to provide full disclosure I own a '91 Klein Attitude that has never had one single component fail since I have owned it. I bought it at my LBS brand new. The only things I have replaced due to wear were the brake shoes and tubes & tires. Even the cables are original. I switched out the seat and pedals, but rode about 6 years on those and still have them.
    You have a ~17 year old chain??? You either don't ride or......hmmm, er.

    Actually,you must not ride. I can't think of any reason why you could still have the original chain....let alone the original drive train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddraewwg
    You have a ~17 year old chain??? You either don't ride or......hmmm, er.

    Actually,you must not ride. I can't think of any reason why you could still have the original chain....let alone the original drive train.
    Wellllll......Hmmmmmm..... this thread was resurrected from 2 years ago .... perhaps he's put a few miles on/replaced the chain/cogs/rings/cables since then..... or not

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    So many laughable ads on CL

    Anyone want a 7 or 8 year old Cannondale hardtail for $1,750?

    http://houston.craigslist.org/bik/1189248501.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by 105millimetersofpleasure
    I'm thinking of sending him an email asking him if he's on crack. The only explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brentster
    So many laughable ads on CL

    Anyone want a 7 or 8 year old Cannondale hardtail for $1,750?

    http://houston.craigslist.org/bik/1189248501.html

    One more to keep this thread going.

    I'm not a klein expert, but isn't this post Trek? I could be wrong.

    http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/1218473700.html
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