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    New question here. Help needed! 'Klein Mantra Race '99 for $200!' X-post

    So you can read all about this killer deal I got here.

    A few questions for you Klein expert folk:

    I am 6' 2" tall and weight around 200 lbs ready to roll. Preferred type of riding includes fast singletrack including lots of rocks, roots etc and 'agressive XC' (*max.* 2 ft. drops at speed).

    1) How to end the whoa-endo feel?
    2) Best shock that will take most advantage of 7" rear travel?
    3) Any good fork upgrades (i'm looking for more travel up front)?
    4) Any adaptors available for taking care of the wider-narrower Klein Headtube issue so I can install forks other than ones with the special steerer rube pressed in??
    5) For some reason, this bike has Mavic X517s mated to the CK disc hubs. I fear the spoke nipples cracking the rim. I have a set of Ritchey Zero-system OCR disc sets ready to use. Any other ideas?? I'd love to use the CK's BTW, so gimme rim options too.

    Thanks a lot guys. I've been on hardtails and an NRS so this thing is sort of like a cool project for me. I definitely see potential for it in the fast singletrack we have here in MD, but some modifications are required.
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Mine is SS

    Quote Originally Posted by bluronthetrails
    So you can read all about this killer deal I got here.

    A few questions for you Klein expert folk:

    I am 6' 2" tall and weight around 200 lbs ready to roll. Preferred type of riding includes fast singletrack including lots of rocks, roots etc and 'agressive XC' (*max.* 2 ft. drops at speed).

    1) How to end the whoa-endo feel?
    2) Best shock that will take most advantage of 7" rear travel?
    3) Any good fork upgrades (i'm looking for more travel up front)?
    4) Any adaptors available for taking care of the wider-narrower Klein Headtube issue so I can install forks other than ones with the special steerer rube pressed in??
    5) For some reason, this bike has Mavic X517s mated to the CK disc hubs. I fear the spoke nipples cracking the rim. I have a set of Ritchey Zero-system OCR disc sets ready to use. Any other ideas?? I'd love to use the CK's BTW, so gimme rim options too.

    Thanks a lot guys. I've been on hardtails and an NRS so this thing is sort of like a cool project for me. I definitely see potential for it in the fast singletrack we have here in MD, but some modifications are required.
    I've ridden my Mantras on rough XC rides.
    Rarely have felt that "whoa-endo feel". I think that people that have that problem don't ride the bike well. It is not an FS riders FS bike. It is a hardtailers FS bike.
    You should NEVER try to get 7" of travel. The shock that is on there is perfect unless you get the one like it that has the lock out. Ride it like a hardtail.

    You are 200lbs, you need at least 240lbs psi in the shock.

    Adapters are available through some German company or http://www.leucadiabikes.com/index.php You'll have to talk to Fred. I would say no more than 100mm in the fork.
    No idea on rims. I figure any disc rim will be fine.

    I have the same frame and fork built as an SS. It has 1.5" risers.
    Last edited by noslogan; 12-16-2005 at 09:51 AM.

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    We have been over this.

    Check my posts on the other thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluronthetrails
    So you can read all about this killer deal I got here.

    A few questions for you Klein expert folk:

    I am 6' 2" tall and weight around 200 lbs ready to roll. Preferred type of riding includes fast singletrack including lots of rocks, roots etc and 'agressive XC' (*max.* 2 ft. drops at speed).

    1) How to end the whoa-endo feel?
    2) Best shock that will take most advantage of 7" rear travel?
    3) Any good fork upgrades (i'm looking for more travel up front)?
    4) Any adaptors available for taking care of the wider-narrower Klein Headtube issue so I can install forks other than ones with the special steerer rube pressed in??
    5) For some reason, this bike has Mavic X517s mated to the CK disc hubs. I fear the spoke nipples cracking the rim. I have a set of Ritchey Zero-system OCR disc sets ready to use. Any other ideas?? I'd love to use the CK's BTW, so gimme rim options too.

    Thanks a lot guys. I've been on hardtails and an NRS so this thing is sort of like a cool project for me. I definitely see potential for it in the fast singletrack we have here in MD, but some modifications are required.
    I had a Mantra and they are the biz!!
    End the endo?.......fit a 90mm stem and some good risers, It brings the front up to a much more manageable level allowing more control on the steeps

    Forks?......The Mantra has a steep head angle 71 deg ish so fit something like Adjustable Reba's to raise the front and therefore slackeing the headangle to something close to a more trail freindly 69/70 deg
    Fitted some 100mm forks to my Mantra and no geometry issues whatsoever, infact I would have been quite happy with some 100-120mm on it.

    Used mine an all sorts on technical terrain and a lot of epic rides - loved it.

    See below with 100mm forks on a size small Mantra but before the short stem was added.............hope it helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluronthetrails
    So you can read all about this killer deal I got here.

    A few questions for you Klein expert folk:

    I am 6' 2" tall and weight around 200 lbs ready to roll. Preferred type of riding includes fast singletrack including lots of rocks, roots etc and 'agressive XC' (*max.* 2 ft. drops at speed).

    1) How to end the whoa-endo feel?
    2) Best shock that will take most advantage of 7" rear travel?
    3) Any good fork upgrades (i'm looking for more travel up front)?
    4) Any adaptors available for taking care of the wider-narrower Klein Headtube issue so I can install forks other than ones with the special steerer rube pressed in??
    5) For some reason, this bike has Mavic X517s mated to the CK disc hubs. I fear the spoke nipples cracking the rim. I have a set of Ritchey Zero-system OCR disc sets ready to use. Any other ideas?? I'd love to use the CK's BTW, so gimme rim options too.

    Thanks a lot guys. I've been on hardtails and an NRS so this thing is sort of like a cool project for me. I definitely see potential for it in the fast singletrack we have here in MD, but some modifications are required.

    4) Any adaptors available for taking care of the wider-narrower Klein Headtube issue so I can install forks other than ones with the special steerer rube pressed in??
    www.reset-racing.com
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    Yea I checked

    Quote Originally Posted by damion
    Check my posts on the other thread.
    Its just that I want to see if there is some good in this frame for me. Like I said, its a sort of project. If it doesn't turn out well, I'll definitiely get rid of the frame and use the rest.
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    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by 2inthehole
    4) Any adaptors available for taking care of the wider-narrower Klein Headtube issue so I can install forks other than ones with the special steerer rube pressed in??
    www.reset-racing.com
    appreciate the input guys. But dang, is that 149.00 Euro for part number 1114-1 on that site which is the adaptor for the MC2/MC3 (mine is MC3 I think)?? That is a LOAD of cash for just an adaptor.
    Last edited by bluronthetrails; 12-16-2005 at 07:24 PM.
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    Call Fred

    Quote Originally Posted by bluronthetrails
    appreciate the input guys. But dang, is that 149.00 Euro for part number 1114-1 on that site which is the adaptor for the MC2/MC3 (mine is MC3 I think)?? That is a LOAD of cash for just an adaptor.
    Call Fred at Leucadia. Really. I think it would only be about $80ish. He has sold fix-its to Klein. He knows lots about Kleins.
    He opens at 10am PST. Prolly there at 8 or 9.

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    [B]Headset Adaptors

    I tried to send a PM yesterday. I have a set of Klein reducers, spare bearing and seals to convert MC3 headset to 11/8. Email if interested.

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    I have a 99 mantra comp, I have a Cane Creek Ad-10 shock, I weigh 185llbs, I run about 135-140llbs in it. We talked about this a couple of years ago on this site. Running the shock softer than you would normally, provides a very plush ride, and with so much travel you are not bottoming out like you would think it should. I switched to a Fox rlc 100 which raised the front end a bit. This balanced out the bike a little. I have not endoed with the mantra but, I know what everyone talks about. With the steep front end, I have found that you have to make a committment to getting behind the seat when going down steep stuff. You have to decide whether the awesome climbing and great singletrack ability offsets the bikes quirks. For me the bike is the bomb up here in New England. I don't know anything about the other things you were asking. Good luck.

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