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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaf View Post
    I explained that poorly. It was a cynical comment made with regards to how they previously handled DRCV and how I'm sure they'll handle the Thrushaft technology now that it's here.

    Not to mention a slight pain in the arse that they didn't just use a standard, unmodified/spaced shock spacing and stroke to begin with.

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    The same way they did the DRCV when they first released that...like I wrote.
    Maybe you should go back to DRCV launch and remind yourself of the servicing processes whilst all the technical documents were kept in house at Trek.
    Well, they had a patent on DRCV, so perhaps that would explain why they weren't so forthcoming with technical documents, but I am just guessing on that. I don't really care, though.

    Regardless of how they handled DRCV service, it doesn't affect the fact that the new Thru Shaft shocks are serviced by Fox and RockShox, not Trek. This is a fact, not speculation like your cynical comment.

    I hear ya on the sizing, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deep Thought View Post
    Well, they had a patent on DRCV, so perhaps that would explain why they weren't so forthcoming with technical documents, but I am just guessing on that. I don't really care, though.

    Regardless of how they handled DRCV service, it doesn't affect the fact that the new Thru Shaft shocks are serviced by Fox and RockShox, not Trek. This is a fact, not speculation like your cynical comment.

    I hear ya on the sizing, though.
    No different with DRCV, Trek didn't service those either. They could be easily serviced by any knowledgeable shop, or Fox.

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    At least with the Slash/Remedy, we are starting to get confirmation that a regular metric 230x60 shock will work. Perhaps Trek limited shock/travel to 230x57.5 because they are offering a 15.5 small Slash. I would imagine a small Slash with big 29er wheels and 100mm dropper may contact the saddle but I have not confirmed. If someone has a 15.5 Slash with 100mm saddle can confirm it would be great.

    Some folks in the 2017/2018 Fuel EX threads are also long shocking it also with a 210x55 DPX2 shock over the stock 210x52.5 shock.

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    I think Trek are more cautious with bb height than other brands too.

    Good news for us though, i'll be removing the spacer at next service fo sho

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    So my 17.5 frame with a 150mm dropper post sits about 60mm from the tire at full travel. I have a 32inch inseam and there's plenty of clearance for me but for someone running a 125 dropper with a 28-30" inseam, i wouldn't recommended getting a 60mm stroke shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwzimmer View Post
    So my 17.5 frame with a 150mm dropper post sits about 60mm from the tire at full travel. I have a 32inch inseam and there's plenty of clearance for me but for someone running a 125 dropper with a 28-30" inseam, i wouldn't recommended getting a 60mm stroke shock.
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    Clearance between the seat stay and seat tube looks pretty dicey as well. If I'm not mistaken, there's supposed to be at least a cm of clearance to account for hard bottom outs.

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    Theres about 10-12mm of clearance currently there. Should be OK. At bottom out its typically metal on metal contact. With a coil shock, take out the spring and push it hard against the jounce bumper to check but with air your fine
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    Could use some input!

    I need some help - I made the huge mistake of riding the Slash 29er and now I want one! - I felt so comfortable on it and it seemed to be perfect balance of feeling like a DH beast, but still fun even if you aren't shredding the gnarliest lines.

    The problem is that I already have a bunch of very nice components for non-boost, 27.5 & my initial plan was to find a frame that I could use these components, so if I get a Slash 29er frame, I will have to sell and re-buy a bunch of components & I would lean toward a frame since there are things I don't love about the stock components, and I have always strongly preferred Fox rear shocks, which the one I tried out had

    It also seems pretty difficult to find a good deal on the newer 29ers, but pretty easy to find a 2016 27.5 for a really good deal, so my question is does the 27.5 version have a similar feel to the 29er or are they completely different bikes?

    It also seems like it would also be a pain to try to custom fit a Fox shock onto the 27.5 frame if I don't like the RS that they all come with and wanted to switch it out (although I did find somebody who is selling one already custom built w/ a Fox Float X)

    Is there anybody who has tried the 27.5 and 29 version that could weigh in? Any other thoughts?

    Thanks for the input!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyno View Post
    I need some help - I made the huge mistake of riding the Slash 29er and now I want one! - I felt so comfortable on it and it seemed to be perfect balance of feeling like a DH beast, but still fun even if you aren't shredding the gnarliest lines.

    The problem is that I already have a bunch of very nice components for non-boost, 27.5 & my initial plan was to find a frame that I could use these components, so if I get a Slash 29er frame, I will have to sell and re-buy a bunch of components & I would lean toward a frame since there are things I don't love about the stock components, and I have always strongly preferred Fox rear shocks, which the one I tried out had

    It also seems pretty difficult to find a good deal on the newer 29ers, but pretty easy to find a 2016 27.5 for a really good deal, so my question is does the 27.5 version have a similar feel to the 29er or are they completely different bikes?

    It also seems like it would also be a pain to try to custom fit a Fox shock onto the 27.5 frame if I don't like the RS that they all come with and wanted to switch it out (although I did find somebody who is selling one already custom built w/ a Fox Float X)

    Is there anybody who has tried the 27.5 and 29 version that could weigh in? Any other thoughts?

    Thanks for the input!
    Totally different bikes. Better and different things. 27.5 version rides a lot like any of current 27.5 enduro bikes. I think the closes 27.5 bike current out right now is the Nomad V4. Either way 29 just rides different from 27.5. Trade off between DH plowing speed and playfulness.
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    Slash HT Angle

    Anyone physically measure their HT Angle? With 2.5 DHF's up front and stock 2.4 Bontrager tires in the back, I measured 64.0 degrees. With 2.5/2.3 DHF/DHRII combo, I measured 64.5 degrees. I figured there is a draft on the fork legs since they are casted magnesium or aluminum but the back side from where I measured appears perfectly parallel to the stanchions so this location should provide an accurate reading using the tool I'm using. I did the same measurement on 3 other bikes and they are all where they're supposed to be.

    2015 Stumpjumper - 67.8 deg.
    2017 Fuel EX 29er with 150 fork (instead of 130) - 66.0 deg
    2017 Intense Recluse 66.2

    So I think the Slash's HT could be a bit slacker than what Trek is claiming since the numbers on the other bikes appear correct (within 0.25 degrees).


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwzimmer View Post
    Anyone physically measure their HT Angle? With 2.5 DHF's up front and stock 2.4 Bontrager tires in the back, I measured 64.0 degrees. With 2.5/2.3 DHF/DHRII combo, I measured 64.5 degrees. I figured there is a draft on the fork legs since they are casted magnesium or aluminum but the back side from where I measured appears perfectly parallel to the stanchions so this location should provide an accurate reading using the tool I'm using. I did the same measurement on 3 other bikes and they are all where they're supposed to be.

    2015 Stumpjumper - 67.8 deg.
    2017 Fuel EX 29er with 150 fork (instead of 130) - 66.0 deg
    2017 Intense Recluse 66.2

    So I think the Slash's HT could be a bit slacker than what Trek is claiming since the numbers on the other bikes appear correct (within 0.25 degrees).


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    where is the mini link at? high or low
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    Mino Link at Low as i prefer the lower bottom bracket

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    What fork is that? Do you know what the axle-to-race measurement is?

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    Its a 2017 160/130 Dual Position Lyrik RCT3. Axle to crown should be 571mm according to their website.

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    Slash!

    Who wants a red one!? Hit me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwzimmer View Post
    Its a 2017 160/130 Dual Position Lyrik RCT3. Axle to crown should be 571mm according to their website.
    Looks like the ATR for the stock Fox 36 is 567. I don't know if 4mm is enough to affect the HA that much, but that could explain part of it. < shrug >

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    try measuring the headangle with the same tires front and rear... of course it is slacker when you run a larger front tire (versus using the same tire F+R). measure the axle to crown on your fork while you're at it, the published measurements are not perfectly accurate in my experience with various forks (might be +/- 5 mm or so).

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    Really disgusted with TREK warranty...I sent my slash for repainting, as many of you I also have this chips everywhere. It seems that one of the chips hid a crack!! I never had a big crash with my slash, how is that possible??!

    After discussing with the guy at TREK NO SOLUTIONS ARE proposed!! what! do I throw my 4'000 dollars frame out to the trash after 6 months?? they dont repare they only propose 20% off for a new frame. Disgusting. Never again TREK, never.



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    Looks like a pretty minor crack. Should be Easily repairable.
    It appears you may have dropped the bike on a sharp rock? I can’t imagine those chips are caused my normal riding especially in that location

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwzimmer View Post
    Looks like a pretty minor crack. Should be Easily repairable.
    It appears you may have dropped the bike on a sharp rock? I can’t imagine those chips are caused my normal riding especially in that location
    yes, it was a rock at a very small speed...the issue is that I can repair it but the paint is not going to be done!! pretty dissapointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by rggomez View Post
    yes, it was a rock at a very small speed...the issue is that I can repair it but the paint is not going to be done!! pretty dissapointed
    So, do you want to retract your statement about Trek's warranty?

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    well, It was a very small incident, I did not see the scratch at first, just few minutes later when I stopped for a drink. I dont understand how this frame can be so fragile. And no, I do not retract, I dont think that to purchase a new frame is the solution (that is the only option they gave me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rggomez View Post
    well, It was a very small incident, I did not see the scratch at first, just few minutes later when I stopped for a drink. I dont understand how this frame can be so fragile. And no, I do not retract, I dont think that to purchase a new frame is the solution (that is the only option they gave me)
    it's a bummer when you break an expensive carbon frame (I've broken many), but there is not a single manufacturer out there that would warranty your damage. it is obvious impact damage. the slash is a race bike, the frame is lighter than many other enduro bikes out there. this is the compromise. I'd expect to pay ~$1000 for a crash replacement front triangle. sucks, no doubt about it.

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    Yeah it sucks, I would take this option of 1000 for sure if they propose it to me. but not even that was proposed. that's is the most dissapointed side of this issue, not a good customer care at all...you pay 20% or go

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    You dont need a new shock or chainstays. Just the main frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rggomez View Post
    Yeah it sucks, I would take this option of 1000 for sure if they propose it to me. but not even that was proposed. that's is the most dissapointed side of this issue, not a good customer care at all...you pay 20% or go
    ask them for the crash replacement price for a new front triangle. that is how all brands deal with this situation.

    edit: did you buy the bike from an LBS? they should help you deal with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    ask them for the crash replacement price for a new front triangle. that is how all brands deal with this situation.

    edit: did you buy the bike from an LBS? they should help you deal with this.
    yes I purchased it in a LBS but they actually adviced me to call directly the waranty. The guy from the waranty did only propose to purchase a brand new frame, not the front triangle. I will ask my dealer to see with TREK if they can provide me a new front triangle, that could be the solution.

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    I Love it! Crash the bike, be surprised you don’t get a new one for free, cry about it on the Internet! Hilarious, really


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    I would just ride it... If it was just a small hit like you say it's fine. Trek doesn't do carbon repair work..... This has nothing to do with treks warranty.. They are offering you a crash replacement frame... Seem like the fair thing to do to me.

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    Well, I contacted TREK US and they are looking for a solution. I have asked them if a fron triangle can be purchased, and it seem this could be the way forward. Will let you know

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    Well, finally the only option is to buy a new frame. What do you think of the new shock?

    I am thinking into fit the FOX X2 as the reviews of the re:aktiv are not so good and the FOX worked flawlessly

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    This thing with Trunnion... Are there any differences between the 17 & 18 frames due to the Trunnion mount or are the rocker, lower mount etc. exactly the same?
    I.E, is it possible to mount a 18 shock on a 17 frame?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti83 View Post
    This thing with Trunnion... Are there any differences between the 17 & 18 frames due to the Trunnion mount or are the rocker, lower mount etc. exactly the same?
    I.E, is it possible to mount a 18 shock on a 17 frame?


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    It's still the same physical dimensions i2i, so 230 mm, but the 2018 is trunnion to leave enough room for the thru shaft mechanicals. If you can get hold of the 2018 mounting hardware, I don't see why you couldn't have an 18 shock on a 17 frame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti83 View Post
    This thing with Trunnion... Are there any differences between the 17 & 18 frames due to the Trunnion mount or are the rocker, lower mount etc. exactly the same?
    I.E, is it possible to mount a 18 shock on a 17 frame?


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    Exactly the same. I have both in the garage and have swapped shocks back and forth.

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    SX450, can you compare the differences between the X2 and Thrushaft shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwzimmer View Post
    SX450, can you compare the differences between the X2 and Thrushaft shock?
    Sure thing. The RS through shaft shock seemed like a solid shock with plenty of adjustment that rode a bit higher in the travel and seemed to have more of a ramp up towards the end of stroke compared to where I have my X2 set. I've noticed that on all RS rear shocks I've ridden to date. It probably helped climbing a bit, but that's not to say you couldn't get the X2 to feel similar, I just like my stuff more on the plush side normally. No issues in the couple rides I put on it. Compared to the previous RS rear it might just be a tad more supple on the smaller bumps initially, but through the stroke it felt very similar to me. Granted my rides with both weren't back to back, but that's what I remember at this point. Would I swap one for the other? Probably not. The X2 is a different story.

    The weight is another plus for the RS. I want to say it was around 130g ish lighter, which adds up if you're into that. I have the DPX2 installed now, but haven't had a chance to ride it due to weather here. I will note that the rebound is 1 click from full hard and I feel like it's still faster than I like. I'm sure I could send it to Fox for a tune, but out of the box I feel it should have more play than that. I'm on the heavier side of riders at 215 without gear. I'll report back on the DPX2 once I have a chance to dial it in. I'm sure at some point the X2 will go back on since it's just such a good shock with all the adjustment a guy could ever want! Stay tuned...

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    Thanks for the post, I was just looking at Fox shocks for my '18 Slash...

    The RS on my '18 Slash started leaking after a few rides, SRAM sent a new one quickly though, hopefully I'll get the bike back tomorrow.

    I think the RS matches up with the new '18 Fox 36 Float really well, they both have more midstroke support, stay a little higher in the travel over smaller bumps and react very quickly and smoothly. The RS does ramp up nicely and it seems like an evolutionary upgrade over the Monarch Debonair on my 27.5 Slash. I have not tried the Fox alternatives but might look into it if the RS isn't reliable.

    What's definitely the case is the '9er Slash is a lot more efficient vs the 27.5 and it could have to do with the shock... the 27.5 seemed more "active" while climbing and pedaling, making open mode fairly inefficient while open mode on the '9er Slash is less active and more efficient. The way it pedals reminds me a little more of a multi-link sus design than single pivot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    Thanks for the post, I was just looking at Fox shocks for my '18 Slash...

    The RS on my '18 Slash started leaking after a few rides, SRAM sent a new one quickly though, hopefully I'll get the bike back tomorrow.

    I think the RS matches up with the new '18 Fox 36 Float really well, they both have more midstroke support, stay a little higher in the travel over smaller bumps and react very quickly and smoothly. The RS does ramp up nicely and it seems like an evolutionary upgrade over the Monarch Debonair on my 27.5 Slash. I have not tried the Fox alternatives but might look into it if the RS isn't reliable.

    What's definitely the case is the '9er Slash is a lot more efficient vs the 27.5 and it could have to do with the shock... the 27.5 seemed more "active" while climbing and pedaling, making open mode fairly inefficient while open mode on the '9er Slash is less active and more efficient. The way it pedals reminds me a little more of a multi-link sus design than single pivot.
    I definitely remember the RS being better for climbing in the open mode vs the Fox. That's kind of a big deal really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SX450 View Post
    I definitely remember the RS being better for climbing in the open mode vs the Fox. That's kind of a big deal really.
    I agree, better efficiency in open mode will make the bike faster, and should make a difference for enduro racing. I think the new RS shock must have some pedaling platform even in open mode to achieve this.

    One of the first rides I did with the bike had a ~3 mile climb on pavement and I left the bike in open mode without realizing it. This would have been very obvious on my 27.5 Slash but it seemed to not matter much with the 9er.

    I've always like the natural, predictable feel and stiffness of the ABP Trek bikes, but compared to friend's Santa Cruz VPP and Yeti SB bikes the pedaling efficiency wasn't quite as good, now it seems to have caught up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    I agree, better efficiency in open mode will make the bike faster, and should make a difference for enduro racing. I think the new RS shock must have some pedaling platform even in open mode to achieve this.

    One of the first rides I did with the bike had a ~3 mile climb on pavement and I left the bike in open mode without realizing it. This would have been very obvious on my 27.5 Slash but it seemed to not matter much with the 9er.

    I've always like the natural, predictable feel and stiffness of the ABP Trek bikes, but compared to friend's Santa Cruz VPP and Yeti SB bikes the pedaling efficiency wasn't quite as good, now it seems to have caught up.
    I had the new SC Hightower LT and the Trek in my garage for a few months and went back and forth, because I couldn't decide which I wanted to keep. SC is gone now if that means anything. I think the Trek actually pedals better and for me it is more versatile with the ability to run plus and now I've got a 44mm offset CSU on the fork so realistically I could run 2.6x27.5 on my 35mm rims and be a 27.5 bike since the bb is so high. I'm liking the 29", but just pointing out the things this will do other bikes wont.

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