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    2015 Trek Remedy 29 Size

    Hi guys,

    I'm looking to get a 2015 Trek Remedy 9.8 29er this year.
    I was on the trek website comparing some geometries and noticed that the geometry and sizing for the new carbon frames (9.8 & 9.9) are different than the aluminum frame (9). The 2015 Remedy 9 sizing is similar to the 2014 Remedy 9. Did they change the geometry for the carbon Remedy models?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjjlee View Post
    Did they change the geometry for the carbon Remedy models?
    Yes they did.

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    Good catch! Looks like the carbon version is a touch smaller. Looks like the chain stays and all the angles are the same.... Wonder why they did that.
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    It might be in response to feedback from their enduro team. Justin Leov said that last year his bike was a little too small, but the new sizes gave him the option to size up for longer top tube without having to get on a frame that's too big. Read more here: (the audio interview is in English)

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    Thanks guys for your responses. I wonder why they didn't change the aluminum models? Cost to change the build jigs?

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    That'd be my guess, especially since they're only in their second model year. Plus it's not so much that they changed the geometry as much as they changed the sizes on offer. The proportions seem very similar (and the 15.5" and 17.5" are identical). If I buy one this will work out well for me because the 19" in the alu would be a bit too big and the 17.5" a bit too small, but the 18.5" in Carbon should be just right.

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    19.5" in the carbon is just right for me.

    I've been told that it should be available in early November.

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    I just moved from the aluminum version to the carbon Remedy, and did some quick measurements of both.

    As shown on the website, my 21.5 carbon has a longer top tube measurement than the aluminum one, by about 5/8", which really suits my long torso. Heck, I'd take another quarter inch.

    Not shown on the website, but confirmed by mounting the same wheels on both bikes, is that the BB is about 1/4 - 3/8" lower.

    Better cornering, with no increase pedal strikes, as the new rear shock and Pike keep the bike up higher in the travel than the old shock and Fox fork did.

    Really awesome bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    I just moved from the aluminum version to the carbon Remedy, and did some quick measurements of both.

    As shown on the website, my 21.5 carbon has a longer top tube measurement than the aluminum one, by about 5/8", which really suits my long torso. Heck, I'd take another quarter inch.

    Not shown on the website, but confirmed by mounting the same wheels on both bikes, is that the BB is about 1/4 - 3/8" lower.

    Better cornering, with no increase pedal strikes, as the new rear shock and Pike keep the bike up higher in the travel than the old shock and Fox fork did.

    Really awesome bike!
    Thanks Kosmo. I'm assuming your aluminum remedy 29er was a 21" virtual frame?

    Do you mind letting us know how tall you are?

    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjjlee View Post
    Thanks Kosmo. I'm assuming your aluminum remedy 29er was a 21" virtual frame?

    Do you mind letting us know how tall you are?

    Thanks again
    Yes, the aluminum Remedy was a 21" and the carbon version is 21.5"

    I'm 6'2" with a 32" inseam.

    I have been pleasantly surprised by how much the fancy new shock and Pike fork improve things over the previous versions. The bike is really buttoned down in rough stuff and especially at fast multiple hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Not shown on the website, but confirmed by mounting the same wheels on both bikes, is that the BB is about 1/4 - 3/8" lower.
    How did you mount wheels from the alum remedy 29 to the carbon remedy 29 given that the Carbon Remedy 29 has the "boost 148mm" rear end?

    I'm considering the remedy 29 carbon but don't want to abandon my quiver of wheels.

    Is it simply a matter of swapping abp hardware/dropouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfxc View Post
    How did you mount wheels from the alum remedy 29 to the carbon remedy 29 given that the Carbon Remedy 29 has the "boost 148mm" rear end?

    I'm considering the remedy 29 carbon but don't want to abandon my quiver of wheels.

    Is it simply a matter of swapping abp hardware/dropouts?
    I just put them on the bike quickly for measurement purposes. Sadly, you can't put a 142 wheel on the new Remedy Carbon, and I'm having a dickens of a time finding a blingy rear wheel for the thing. SRAM said they had Roam 60s in 148, and cheerfully shipped me a set of 142s. Oops. When contacted again, the different SRAM rep indicated they did not have 148 wheels, and did not know when or if they would.

    I bought this bike IN SPITE of the new rear hub spacing, not in any way BECAUSE of it. I think this idea may fizzle, but who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Yes, the aluminum Remedy was a 21" and the carbon version is 21.5"

    I'm 6'2" with a 32" inseam.

    I have been pleasantly surprised by how much the fancy new shock and Pike fork improve things over the previous versions. The bike is really buttoned down in rough stuff and especially at fast multiple hits.
    How does it compare to DW link bikes?

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    @kosmo :
    Thanks the info, very interesting that they lowered the BB !

    i'm 6'2" also, but with much longuer legs. The aluminium 21" looked spot on, but on carbon i feel between sizes, the 19'5" has a really short seatube...

    Could you post a picture of your bike please ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    How does it compare to DW link bikes?
    The new valving keeps it high in the travel, like a DW bike. The difference is that DW uses chain tension for this purpose, while the new Remedy uses shock valving.

    For an endurance racing bike, I like the DW approach since when you really cane the thing, it really firms up.

    For a big squishy bike, I think I prefer this reactive valving, by a bit (it's still early days with this bike).

    I've got one of each, and I'm no longer currently shopping!

    For me, the big question is whether this reactive damping system will hang in there for the long term, or kind of start going away after significant wear and tear.

    Time -- and an upcoming trip to Moab -- will tell!
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    I've been testing bikes all week and test road this machine yesterday. In short this is one of the best bikes I've ever ridden and I'm planning to get one. You can't find a better setup for the price. I'm 6 foot with a 34" inseam and the 19.5 "just" fit. If I was a 1/2" taller or longer anywhere, I'd have to bump up in size. What a machine!

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    Greetings guys, thought I'd share some thoughts on the fit/geometry here.
    I'm 6'2" with a 34" inseam. I generally try to ride large/19" bikes as XL's tend make me feel like I'm on a horse. I've been on a Large stumpy 29er for the past year.

    I'm on the upper end of the 19" spectrum in most brands, but I tend to make it work.
    I ordered a 19" remedy 9 29 without being able to sit on it and got really nervous when I reviewed my research to see that it only has a 23.39" effective top tube in the low position, whereas the XL Tallboy LT, another bike I was considering (large Santa Cruz's are tiny and a no go for me) has a 25" ETT.

    I was wondering why the heck they made the ETT so dang short, but the more I ride it and look at the bike, I think they did it on purpose assuming that users would be running dropper posts. If you just look at ETT the Remedy seems really short, but the reach is actually comparable to most other bikes in a 19" frame and is actually a bit longer than on the XL Santa Cruz. The bent seat tube on the the Trek pulls the saddle forward, which is actually really nice when the post is all the way up and I'm climbing. I haven't had to do the scoot up and poke yourself in the ass with the saddle thing on any of the steep climbs I've taken it on so far here in Utah, and when I drop the post to descend or sprint through Single Track it doesn't feel like I'm on a smaller bike anymore, because ETT stops mattering when you aren't in the seat. That's when reach becomes the important measurement.

    I'm showing a lot of seatpost and Part of me still wonders if I should be on the XL, but Effective top tube really doesn't tell the whole story at all on this bike. I think it's intentionally shorter than on their other bikes to make it a better climber.

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    I disagree Konrad! I've ridden a 19.5" 26er Remedy since 2009, the fit has always been ok though I'd prefer a bit more length. I rode a 19" Remedy 29er and found it ridiculously short, especially when seated, the tape measure backed me up, it's a short bike. The 21" sorted the length out, but felt like I was riding a gate.
    It looks like the sizing on the carbon models may have sorted this, but I can't drop that amount of money on a bike. I really feel Trek have dropped the ball on the sizing of the aluminium bikes, especially compared to the way most manufacturers are going- Long front centre designed around shorter stay. I'd love another Remedy but the sizing means I need to look elsewhere.

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    I think ETT is completely useless to know how a bike fit.
    Reach and Stack are what matters, along with the EFFECTIVE angle of the seattube (but it is not so easy because it changes with the exposed seatpost, and so it's not so easy to get a correct idea of the value).

    I tested a 21" aluminium last week with a 60mm stem, and found it pretty small. I don't konw if i'd rather be on the 19,5" or 21,5" carbon...
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    Re: 2015 Trek Remedy 29 Size

    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    The new valving keeps it high in the travel, like a DW bike. The difference is that DW uses chain tension for this purpose, while the new Remedy uses shock valving.

    For an endurance racing bike, I like the DW approach since when you really cane the thing, it really firms up.

    For a big squishy bike, I think I prefer this reactive valving, by a bit (it's still early days with this bike).

    I've got one of each, and I'm no longer currently shopping!

    For me, the big question is whether this reactive damping system will hang in there for the long term, or kind of start going away after significant wear and tear.

    Time -- and an upcoming trip to Moab -- will tell!
    How about an update from that moab trip? How's the re:aktiv?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfxc View Post
    How about an update from that moab trip? How's the re:aktiv?
    Loved it in Moab. It was a great chance to compare, since I was there in April with the aluminum Remedy. The carbon mutes things a bit, which is nice, the longer TT was nice, the Pike was great, and the new reaktiv shock killed it. I like climbing steep stuff, so the fact that the bike stays higher in its rear travel helped there, and it pedals better through chunk in the T setting, even though it feels firmer there when pedaling the smooth trail sections.

    I'd be lying if I said I felt the carbon version was hugely better, but it's definitely significant, and a worthwhile upgrade.

    SRAM *****: So I can't put a 28t front chainring on an X1 crank to help just a wee bit with the fatigue of six days in a row at Moab? What gives with that approach? I never truly NEEDED a 28, but I would have loved to have it, anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    SRAM *****: So I can't put a 28t front chainring on an X1 crank to help just a wee bit with the fatigue of six days in a row at Moab? What gives with that approach? I never truly NEEDED a 28, but I would have loved to have it, anyway!
    You might look into a spiderless ring if you want to go smaller. Wolf tooth components sells SRAM compatible rings down to 26 teeth. You might have issues if you try to mount something smaller than a 30 without shortening the chain though.

    -- on second thought, the spiderless rings probably wouldn't work well with the altered chainline. Bummer.

    Great to hear the bike killed it in Moab. I think it'll probably be my next bike.

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    Wolthtooth made a special snowflake ring, for fat bikes, with increased chainline.
    This type of flat ring shall be easier to manufacture than the current ones with ofset, so it would be interesting to ask them.

    The other option is just to get the xx1 specific boost148 spider (stock on the 9.9) and mount a 28t xx1 on it.
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    How do you guys like the 29er Remedy?
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    KonradKlemm, I've got the 19.5 and I'm 6'1" with a 34" inseam and this bike "barely" fits me. I put a 90mm stem on it and the seat is all the way back on the straight dropper post. I knew it was going to be tight, but I definitely works for me now. I really wish they made a 20.5.

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    BTW, for those folks asking, this bike is truly amazing. I've come from a long history of Santa Cruz Nomads, Intense Carbines... and if you are looking for a bike you can ride 4-5hrs on any terrain and still hit the park on the way, then this bike is for you.

    I just came back from Virgin, Utah and road over 200 miles on it. I'm 190lbs and put a beating on the thing and it doesn't squeak anywhere and the wheels are still perfectly straight - really surprising after slamming down Grafton and the Flying Monkey a half-dozen times.

    Trek got this one right and I think the Remedy will be up for All Mountain Bike of the year.

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    i'm also confused about the geo. 6'2 lanky, 36 inseam. I test rode an XL carbon Remedy and the bike performed awesome and was a pretty good fit. Remedy soaked up drops way better than my 5inch 26er, pedaled *almost* as well, and was overall more comfortable/less fatiguing. Although looking at the geo chart, the reach on XL looks like it would be too big for me? and what explains the slack seat tube of 68*? usually larger frame sizes offer a steeper ST so the rider doesn't get too far over the rear wheel when raising the seat (taller riders more likely to raise seat). confusing cuz the Remedy felt great despite these odd numbers. IF i could afford a new bike this would be a contender

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    Big 29ers have got an offset seattube to provide room for the rear whell in the travel.
    So the real - effective angle of the seat depends on seatpost lengh used.
    The angle value in geometry chart is useless. Some write the real one (slack) but it doesn t take into account the offset, some other write an effective angle but without stating for wich saddle height.
    All of this is useless, just get the bike and use a seatpost with the headtype that put your saddle in right location...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthwestAir View Post
    i'm also confused about the geo. 6'2 lanky, 36 inseam. I test rode an XL carbon Remedy and the bike performed awesome and was a pretty good fit. Remedy soaked up drops way better than my 5inch 26er, pedaled *almost* as well, and was overall more comfortable/less fatiguing. Although looking at the geo chart, the reach on XL looks like it would be too big for me? and what explains the slack seat tube of 68*? usually larger frame sizes offer a steeper ST so the rider doesn't get too far over the rear wheel when raising the seat (taller riders more likely to raise seat). confusing cuz the Remedy felt great despite these odd numbers. IF i could afford a new bike this would be a contender
    The true seat tube angle is misleading, since it doesn't end in the classic bb location. What really matters is where your seat is located fore/aft of the bb centerline. At 6'2", I've had no problem getting the seat where it needs to be.
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    I like the Remedy 8, any changes between 2014 and 2015? I don't much besides the color change and although slight I believe on like the 2015 paint job a bit better. -Bob

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    Seriously considering Remedy 29.

    Can you help me with cable routing investigation.
    Is it possible to put stealth dropper cables totally internally (no routing outside of bike) - of course no FrDe.

    Secondly - is that possible to route somehow internally rear brake cable ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    I just moved from the aluminum version to the carbon Remedy, and did some quick measurements of both.

    As shown on the website, my 21.5 carbon has a longer top tube measurement than the aluminum one, by about 5/8", which really suits my long torso. Heck, I'd take another quarter inch.

    Not shown on the website, but confirmed by mounting the same wheels on both bikes, is that the BB is about 1/4 - 3/8" lower.

    Better cornering, with no increase pedal strikes, as the new rear shock and Pike keep the bike up higher in the travel than the old shock and Fox fork did.

    Really awesome bike!
    Hey Kosmo, have you noticed any other differences in the sizing compared to what Trek have published, I've heard from a couple of folk that the actual bike seems somewhat different to the published numbers?

    How are you finding that wheelbase? The one thing that puts me off is it's a long bike, and on the tight twisty stuff, which is a large part of my riding, it might be a bit of a tank to through around. Sadly I can't get a demo on the 21.5" size, only the smaller bike, so won't be able to get my head around the length issue.

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    I'm 6'5" and looking at an XL 9.8 27.5. Anyone else here cast a 2 meter shadow, and on a '15 Trek? I am encouraged that the carbon frame has an ample TT. I haven't been able to test ride yet but I have ridden/owned XL Treks in the past. Their TT are a skosh shorter, and of course have 26" wheels. Eager to sort out this sizing. I wish the 27.5 bikes came in XXL like the 29er Remedys.
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    There's been a bit of wheel chat on here, I thought you might be interested to hear that Hope have just confirmed to me via email that their Boost 148 hubs are available now! They haven't sent info out to dealers yet so it is possible the dealer won't know about them yet, but if they give Hope a call they will be able to order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacious Doug View Post
    There's been a bit of wheel chat on here, I thought you might be interested to hear that Hope have just confirmed to me via email that their Boost 148 hubs are available now! They haven't sent info out to dealers yet so it is possible the dealer won't know about them yet, but if they give Hope a call they will be able to order.
    Do you know if they actually use wider flanges or if they've just made some new adapters for the existing hubs?

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    No idea I'm afraid but if you find out, let us know!

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    Good. Let's hope chris king follow suit...

    syngltrkmnd : with your size, i would just go 29" and XXL.
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    I'm 5'10 1/2 with 33" inseam. I'm coming off a Large Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc which had a 24" top tube. It felt fine to me. My legs are long so I normally go up in size so my seat isn't way over my bars (vertically). I found a 18.5 (virtual) Remedy used but on paper it looks like it might be small. Compared to the Specialized Enduro's, these seem short in the top tube. Any advice ?

    Also any common problems I should check out on the used bike ?

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    The top tube is short because the effective seat tube angle on the Trek is so steep. The reach on the Trek is actually quite a bit longer than the Tallboy (17" vs 16.3") and is in between the medium and large Enduro.

    I would look closely at the Re:active shock and make sure the rebound & compression circuits are working well. My buddy has a DCRV shock on his Slash and he blew it twice in one year (both times fixed under warranty but the bike is out of commission for a few weeks). Not sure if the Re:active shocks have similar reliability, but if you have to repair it out of warranty I'm sure it'd be expensive.
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    Anyone get a real world out of the box weight for a Trek Remedy 9.8 29er? in any size?

    wondering if its worth upgrading from alum.

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    According to Dirt magazine it's around 26lbs.

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    I finally picked up my 9.8 yesterday.
    I settled on a 19.5" virtual and it weighed 27.2 lbs with flat plastic store pedals. I installed my XT PD-M785 last night but haven't weigh it on an accurate scale.

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    Hello, this morning a local shop told me that the remedy 29 9.8 in XL is sold out in europe, and that there won't be anymore...
    Do you Euro guys have the same info ?
    Is it still available in the US ?
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    I asked my LBS in Canada about availability of 29 9.8 XL and he said more coming with an ETA of mid July.

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    for those that have an XL 29 9.8, how would the fit be for a 6'4" guy like myself?

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