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    Transition throttle & vanquish

    new carbon hardtails to replace the Trans Am rrp in the UK is £1750 for the frame

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    Yeah, since the £ took a nosedive we seem to have returned to the days where in the UK we pay in £ what the US pays in $.

    They're a couple of very good looking hardtails though.

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    Always a fan of harcore hardtails riding a Whyte 905 myself. These two look really nice, although BB height looks a bit tall at 335 for the throttle. I guess it suits their own terrain better than something lower, but I wonder how it affects the ride (mine's 305mm)

    Price is a bit steep though, I hope they follow up with steel or alu versions at friendlier price points.

    They really nailed the aesthetics I have to admit, they're both great looking.

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    Great looking bikes. Why isn't this thread 50 pages long already? OK I'll start:

    No price point steel or alloy options

    No 27.5+ compatibility.

    and go..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    Great looking bikes. Why isn't this thread 50 pages long already? OK I'll start:

    No price point steel or alloy options

    No 27.5+ compatibility.

    and go..............
    Steel option would be nice. Alloy with this geo and spec is worthless. I don't blame them for not bothering.

    Throttle fits 2.6 tire. That's plenty. 27.5+ is a gimmick anyway.

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    Alu worthless? Don't think so. Two differently spec'ed alu versions (for example NX with Sektor and GX with Yari) would considerably widen the buyer spectrum. I believe such offerings would suit the hardcore hardtail demographic better pricewise. Or newcomers who don't want a XC hardtail. Current versions are $$$$$.

    If they intented to offer steel versions they would have probably kept the Trans Am model name.

    As for the old steel vs alu argument, design can also determine how a bike feels. Not all alu or steel frames are created the same. Add 2.5-2.6 tyres and I'm sure an alu ht can be pretty forgiving.

    Anyway, glad to see ht's back in the trail bike game.

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    Think this is just what happens... last Trans Am was awesome. Could it have been a little nicer... sure. For the price, probably not. Margin is probably a good bit higher on the plastic bikes and they are moving their line forward with this all around.

    A steel option? Been there, done that. Alum? Nah... the carbon is a big jump up from where they were... tack another grand onto your HT? Not me, I'd just buy an alloy Scout

    I do like that the weight is half my steel bike, but I don't except to move away from TA - geo is pretty close on the Vanquish anyway.

    If I had the money or I hadn't already bought a TA, I might... every carbon HT I've ridden has ridden awesome, and if Transition did some work, I don't doubt these will. The TA could definitely be more compliant... but it's a bruiser.
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    I'm surprised that I have not seen hardly any chatter on these bikes since the launch. I've had a TransAM for years and was looking forward to replacing it when it was eliminated from the line-up. The announcement of these frames was a welcomed surprise.

    I took delivery of a Vanquish this past Saturday and put down three rides. So far really impressed. Much like everything else Transition makes, it's a ton of fun to ride and just wants to rip. Their bikes have the best personalities. If anyone has any questions about the ride, post up and I'll offer whatever feed back I can.

    I suspect once this bike catches on, they won't be able to keep them in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickey View Post
    I'm surprised that I have not seen hardly any chatter on these bikes since the launch. I've had a TransAM for years and was looking forward to replacing it when it was eliminated from the line-up. The announcement of these frames was a welcomed surprise.

    I took delivery of a Vanquish this past Saturday and put down three rides. So far really impressed. Much like everything else Transition makes, it's a ton of fun to ride and just wants to rip. Their bikes have the best personalities. If anyone has any questions about the ride, post up and I'll offer whatever feed back I can.

    I suspect once this bike catches on, they won't be able to keep them in stock.
    I'm really interested in one of these frames but it's just the wrong time of year for me. All of the upper elevation trails are thawing out and a hardtail is more of a winter bike for these parts.

    What kind of trails have been on with the Vanquish? When I asked Transition about the two frames they said Throttle if you like air and Vanquish if you want to put in the miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    I'm really interested in one of these frames but it's just the wrong time of year for me. All of the upper elevation trails are thawing out and a hardtail is more of a winter bike for these parts.

    What kind of trails have been on with the Vanquish? When I asked Transition about the two frames they said Throttle if you like air and Vanquish if you want to put in the miles.
    I would say that Transition likely summed up the two bikes well in that statement. To be clear, I have not rode the Throttle but based on how the Vanquish handles, I imagine the throttle is like a BMX bike for the trails.

    I'm in lower Michigan and we have pretty traditional singletrack - roots, rocks, small burms and a few natural features but nothing excessive. Both the climbs and downhills would not be considered long by anyone in a mountain area but our trails are constant up and down. Punchy climbs and short but quick descents, typically putting you right into another climb. Lots of tight twisty technical sections, linking up corners and rolling downhills right into uphills.

    The bike is really stiff and the hardtail obviously shines on the climbs. I find it more agile than my TransAM was. By my second ride on my "home" trail, I was easily taking tighter lines on corners that I have ridden the same line on for years. It just loves to dive into the corners - the swoop factor is high.

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    I'll echo this--I rode the Vanquish last night. It is a hard charger trail bike--just with less suspension. The 120 fork and fixed rear makes the rider more attached to the trail, and this has benefits and drawbacks. You can be super fast and agile, it goes where you want, it climbs like crazy, it goes down like crazy.

    The down for some is that you can't just sit there and plow over shit. You need to be off the seat more--the suspension is in your legs.

    Short version--really cool trail bike that can tackle a lot more terrain than you might realize. But you can't ride it like a full-sus bike.

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    They look like nice frames but I was disappointed by the lack of steel and singlespeed dropouts. The last Trans Am has good geometry but their dropouts suck and the internal dropper cable routing is not optimal.

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    Who's gonna single speed a 1600$ carbon frame?

    I like the fixed dropout design. The FAST dropouts on the TA aren't that bad. I don't know how they'd work if I actually moved them, but slammed forward and loctite'd up, they work fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    Who's gonna single speed a 1600$ carbon frame?

    I like the fixed dropout design. The FAST dropouts on the TA aren't that bad. I don't know how they'd work if I actually moved them, but slammed forward and loctite'd up, they work fine.
    Uhm, I'm eating pancakes and drinking coffee. It's delicious!

    You haven't tried to run the TA dropouts SS? Yeah, they're not that great. And to answer your question, people who ride singlespeeds will SS whatever hardtail hey own, no matter the frame material, as long as the dropouts accommodate it. But if you look at my post I was referring to the lack of a steel and SS option...

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    Their bikes are badass and pretty damn close to what I'm looking for in my next bikes. Question though, I only have experience with 29'ers, why would they make the more aggressive, long travel bike with 27.5 wheels over 29?

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    Hickey we need pics dammit!

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    The pic request is reasonable. So it's a simple 1x11 GX drive trail with Anvl stem, bars and wheels but I had the rear wheel rebuilt with an Onyx boost hub. Pike 120 up front and I had to use a parts bin post for now but an E.13 dropper is not far out. Chromag Trailmaster DT seat because for me, it's the best fit.

    Transition - if you are listening, Anvl parts are fantastic - why not offer an Anvl parts spec? This bike would be the perfect victim.

    All of this made possible by my local Transition dealer Pat from Backdoor Bikes. Pat is the man. I think is was less than a month from the time I saw the press release until I put down my first ride on this bike.

    And again, as if I haven't said it enough - this bike absolutely rips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felix1776 View Post
    Their bikes are badass and pretty damn close to what I'm looking for in my next bikes. Question though, I only have experience with 29'ers, why would they make the more aggressive, long travel bike with 27.5 wheels over 29?
    It's the same it was with the TA series. It's easier to make a longer travel with the smaller wheels and keep the geo in check. Also, you don't really need as much travel on a 29er because the wheels get stopped us less due to a better angle of attack.
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    Looks sweet! Water bottle matches perfectly as well

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    Built my Throttle up last week, absolutely love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Built my Throttle up last week, absolutely love it!
    sooooo. pics? weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyLight350z View Post
    sooooo. pics? weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
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    Looks badass! How are you liking it so far? any highlights?

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    The bike is very good on steep technical sections, the low toptube and 175mm dropper give great standover height clearance. It also loves tight, twisty singletrack, the thing flows along nicely. The carbon frame really takes the edge off the stiffness of the Enve wheels which I found to be too harsh on my Stanton Ti Slackline. The Throttle also climbs really well considering its downward bias. The internal cables are a pita to run (especially the dropper one!) and the rear axle is a 5mm hex (non issue for me as 36 is the same) which may annoy some but minor points really. All in all I love it, feels like a hardtail Bronson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    The bike is very good on steep technical sections, the low toptube and 175mm dropper give great standover height clearance. It also loves tight, twisty singletrack, the thing flows along nicely. The carbon frame really takes the edge off the stiffness of the Enve wheels which I found to be too harsh on my Stanton Ti Slackline. The Throttle also climbs really well considering its downward bias. The internal cables are a pita to run (especially the dropper one!) and the rear axle is a 5mm hex (non issue for me as 36 is the same) which may annoy some but minor points really. All in all I love it, feels like a hardtail Bronson.
    So you find the frame a bit more compliant that the switchback ti?
    I quite fancy this bike (or the vanquish) but worry it will be harsh.

    I had a canfield EPO for a short while, I found that really quite harsh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    So you find the frame a bit more compliant that the switchback ti?
    I quite fancy this bike (or the vanquish) but worry it will be harsh.

    I had a canfield EPO for a short while, I found that really quite harsh....
    Steel is real. Look into a Ragely BigWig if you want an aggressive (but compliant) 29er hardtail frame. Inexpensive too!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Steel is real. Look into a Ragely BigWig if you want an aggressive (but compliant) 29er hardtail frame. Inexpensive too!
    Yea love a steel. Will have a look at the big wig - cheers. Had a Stanton Sherpa Steel and a Production Privee Stan GT - both compliant. But heavy.....

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    Yes, I was surprised just how compliant the Throttle frame turned out to be. I did back to back testing with the Ti Switchback Mk2 using exactly the same components and the Throttle was more comfortable. Both are great frames but I preferred the Transition in the end, the Stanton felt a little short and tall after riding the Throttle. The frame is also 1.5lbs lighter as well. The Vanquish also rode well but much preferred the more involving ride of the smaller wheels. I get the whole steel thing, I had a 26inch Cotic BFe that I loved but was just too tall in the seat tube. With the arrival of longer droppers they really need to lower the standover heights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Yes, I was surprised just how compliant the Throttle frame turned out to be. I did back to back testing with the Ti Switchback Mk2 using exactly the same components and the Throttle was more comfortable. Both are great frames but I preferred the Transition in the end, the Stanton felt a little short and tall after riding the Throttle. The frame is also 1.5lbs lighter as well. The Vanquish also rode well but much preferred the more involving ride of the smaller wheels. I get the whole steel thing, I had a 26inch Cotic BFe that I loved but was just too tall in the seat tube. With the arrival of longer droppers they really need to lower the standover heights.
    Thanks. Did you have a Long stanton? Or the regular? I have a switchback ti mk2 18" long....

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    I also had the 18" long. The throttle is longer, lower and lighter. Given how highly rated the Stanton is, it will be interesting to see how the Transition frame reviews.

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    liking the longer geometry, maybe I can finally ride a bike without an offset seatpost

    wish they would have fit the XL with holes for 2 bottle holders, looks like there would be plenty of room with the downtube bottle moved forward a few inches

    not sure I'll pony up the cash for a carbon HT but the Vanquish would definitely make the short list

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    To those who have sat on a vanquish....

    It has a long eTT for its size. Anyone find it too long? Seems like 1" longer than other bikes out there... Can't find one anywhere near me to sit on. Bit worried about ordering one blind.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    To those who have sat on a vanquish....

    It has a long eTT for its size. Anyone find it too long? Seems like 1" longer than other bikes out there... Can't find one anywhere near me to sit on. Bit worried about ordering one blind.....
    How tall are you? What have you been riding? I'd focus on reach more than ETT. I just picked up an XL.
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    Im 6'4' I have the xl I love it. 50mm stem 840mm bars. TT is long but pretty in line with modern fs bikes. hardtails are finally catching up.

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    Thanka guys. I'm 6'1 but with a 35" inseam which means my height is in my legs. I normally prefer bikes with a steep seat angle and shorter eTT (but longer reach)

    I fired up photoshop last night, scaled down pictures of the vanquish and shan GT and overlayed them. A Large Shan is almost identical size to a medium Vanquish. As I rode and XL shan GT I think a large will be fine.

    I have a Spider 275c for the fun twisty trails so think I'm going to go for a vanquish over a throttle for speed and climbing.

    How do you like it Nolamonster? Have you had any other 29er hardtails you can compare it against?

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    As said above, its geometry is inline with modern FS bikes. No issues going between the Throttle and my Bronson. I found my Stanton Slackline Ti Mk2 to feel a little short after riding my Santa Cruz.

    The large Vanquish I tried as a demo felt good, not overly long. I just prefer 27.5 wheels which is why I ended up with the Throttle.

    As for speed and climbing, the Throttle is seriously fast. The more I ride it the more I love it.

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    Ive had a number of 29er hardtails but most were custom with similar geometry, most recently a waltworks 29+ and seven cycles sola ti built with honzoish geo. the stock bikes I've had have been more xc than the vanquish. So far this one is my favorite climbs great, descends better and is a ton of fun on tight twisty stuff. And with descending it wants to go! I ended up throwing in some huck norris tire inserts after shredding 2 tires in 2 rides. I'm hitting stuff just a touch slower than on my hightower so I needed a little security since tires aren't cheap.

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    Just got my Throttle on Thursday - only one ride but lot of fun so far. Swapped out to a 60mm stem, Enve bar and Minion/Rekon 2.6 tubeless but rest of bike is stock build kit - just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbd View Post
    How did you get a better stock build?
    No idea - but am glad. Its what was it the box when the shop ordered it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    No idea - but am glad. Its what was it the box when the shop ordered it for me.
    Transition has a new build kit in stock for 2018 that's not shown on their 2017 website right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruppguts View Post
    Transition has a new build kit in stock for 2018 that's not shown on their 2017 website right now.
    That was kind of my guess - was a pleasant surprise though.

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    Just orderd my Vanquish Frame - Orange / Large.

    33% off! Amazed that these bikes are in the 2017 sale when they only came out a few months ago. I would expect the colourways to remain the same for 2018.

    Cant wait to build it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Just orderd my Vanquish Frame - Orange / Large.

    33% off! Amazed that these bikes are in the 2017 sale when they only came out a few months ago. I would expect the colourways to remain the same for 2018.

    Cant wait to build it up.

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    Hey guys, I picked up an XL Vanquish and I LOVE IT but after a couple rides it's just a little too long for me when I'm in the saddle... I'm 6'3" but it's all in my legs, and I think I've finally found my limit on these longer each numbers with my short arms. I've bought lots of bikes without trying them just by careful geo study and comparisons, but unfortunately finally missed the mark. It's got maybe two hours of riding on it and is in perfect condition minus a small paint chip that occurred in the bottom bracket area. The downtube, chain stays, and yoke are all protected with 3M protective film. I know this isn't the buy and sell, but if anyone is curious shoot me a PM. I'd be willing to take a bit of a hit on frame and fork price if I have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruppguts View Post
    Hey guys, I picked up an XL Vanquish and I LOVE IT but after a couple rides it's just a little too long for me when I'm in the saddle... I'm 6'3" but it's all in my legs, and I think I've finally found my limit on these longer each numbers with my short arms. I've bought lots of bikes without trying them just by careful geo study and comparisons, but unfortunately finally missed the mark. It's got maybe two hours of riding on it and is in perfect condition minus a small paint chip that occurred in the bottom bracket area. The downtube, chain stays, and yoke are all protected with 3M protective film. I know this isn't the buy and sell, but if anyone is curious shoot me a PM. I'd be willing to take a bit of a hit on frame and fork price if I have to.
    Have you tried a 35mm stem and putting the seat all the way forward?

    You could also try moving the stem up the fork steerer as far up as it will go (and use a lower rise bar if this means the bars are too high) - you'll loose a few mm of reach this way too.

    Plus a slightly narrower bar will help....

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    Suspicious of why these have suddenly dropped in price. Anyone know why? If I do pick one up, does anyone know what fork offset should be used in a vanquish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Suspicious of why these have suddenly dropped in price. Anyone know why? If I do pick one up, does anyone know what fork offset should be used in a vanquish?
    I donít understand why there are zero reviews of the bikes anywhere either!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onzadog View Post
    Suspicious of why these have suddenly dropped in price. Anyone know why? If I do pick one up, does anyone know what fork offset should be used in a vanquish?
    Where have they dropped, seems the same on their website and others...?
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    They had gone from £1800 to £1150 on Merlin cycles but they've now gone up to £1620

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    Still on at £1350 at bike active, give them a call and theyíll take less.

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    Anyone have the weight for a Vanquish stock complete? (medium if ya got it)
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    I just bought a size large throttle and took it out for the first ride. 21 miles of wet muddy Seattle riding. This bike rails!
    I was originally a bit concerned by the lack of forum comments and real reviews, but i am glad I bought one anyway.
    Mostly stock build with a few changes. Weighs around 26.5# tubeless with rekon 2.6/2.8 tires on wide alum rims.

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    Nevermind, shop got two different stories, they have plenty.

    Vanquish on the way!
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    Sure having fun on mine - just wish i could get out more

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    Loving the new Vanquish. Stock size medium with the stock chunky tires and pedals 26 lbs 12 oz if I recall right. Corner grip is high with this one. Love how much the fork locks out for fire road climbs. Will probably do a bit of XC racing with this thing after figuring out some lighter but durable tires. Might do some Light Bicycle or Carbonfan wheels, maybe an XO1 eagle cassette. Hopefully will get a Sentinel later this year for smashing things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    Just got my Throttle on Thursday - only one ride but lot of fun so far. Swapped out to a 60mm stem, Enve bar and Minion/Rekon 2.6 tubeless but rest of bike is stock build kit - just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    I am really interested in how this bike rides. I live in Michigan and currently own a Farley and a broken Anthem SX frame. I'm looking to replace the anthem with a new bike this year. I like the Santa Cruz 5010, but bikes like the Throttle and Kona Honzo are very similar geometry wise. I rode the Farley all year last year, and didnt miss the full suspension. Everyone in Michigan will say Full suspension is overkill for the trails we ride. I thought i was on track for the 5010 but this Throttle is really tempting. I'd love to hear any feedback regarding the ride characteristics of the throttle since I wont be able to demo in my area. Thanks

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    Bought mine with no test ride - just looked at the geometry and compared to other bikes i've ridden. I could have went large or medium but opted with the medium for the 'more fun' aspect - i'm 5'10" for reference. The bike has not disappointed - its been a blast to ride and i'm even thinking of doing some XC races just for the heck of it.

    The only thing i'm debating is a longer dropper - its got a 150 on there now and with the short seattube there is a bit of post still out and there are times i wish i could get it a bit lower.

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    I have yet to ride a bike with more than a 120mm fork. It seems like the carbon frame and 140mm fork would be a smooth ride. It sounds like the bike is fast and not afraid to be a little rowdy as well. Any downsides that you have noticed?

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    Not yet - i've ridden some XC stuff as well as some rowdy downhill ish type trails and has been nothing but fun!

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    I have yet to ride a bike with more than a 120mm fork. It seems like the carbon frame and 140mm fork would be a smooth ride. It sounds like the bike is fast and not afraid to be a little rowdy as well. Any downsides that you have noticed?
    I have ridden my Throttle on XC type trails and steep rowdy trails on Tiger Mountain/Raging River near Seattle. It is an incredible bike and handles everything great. Highly recommended!
    For reference, I am 5-10 and usually in between M and L sizes. I went with the Large, and installed a 31mm chromag stem to shorten up the reach and the fit is great. I have ridden it with Rekon tires (2.6 rear/2.8 front) as well as Minion DHF/DHR2 tires. for the steeps I prefer the Minions but the Rekons are a bit faster rolling for XC type trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BishMTB View Post
    I have yet to ride a bike with more than a 120mm fork. It seems like the carbon frame and 140mm fork would be a smooth ride. It sounds like the bike is fast and not afraid to be a little rowdy as well. Any downsides that you have noticed?
    I know you guys are talking about the Throttle but I've been riding the Vanquish since it came out last year and love it. I bet the Throttle is a blast as well.

    Bish - I kicked you a PM, I live in Michigan as well. These are great hardtails for the area where I ride.

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    Loving my Vanquish. Easily the most compliant carbon hardtail I've ever ridden - very comfy on the downs. Super quick on the ups. Handles like a much smaller bike than it is. Pops off features really well. My only want would be that it isn't integrated headset so I could try out a -1 angleset in it. But this is only because I've come off a 64 degree head angle Stanton Switchback Ti - I'll get used to it!!!! Also, it would be nice if there was a cable lug for the back brake on the right hand side of the frame for Brits ;-)

    My large is coming in at 25lb (with DHRs, would be 24lb with nobby nics for the summer).

    I just cannot understand why transition don't make any effort to sell these hardtails - none released for websites/mags to review. Transition UK doesn't even have one for demo days! whats all that about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    My only want would be that it isn't integrated headset so I could try out a -1 angleset in it.

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    Are you sure it's an integrated headset? Spec says it's 44zs / 56zs. I'm interested as I'm planning on getting one and a slackener headset is a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floor Tom View Post
    Are you sure it's an integrated headset? Spec says it's 44zs / 56zs. I'm interested as I'm planning on getting one and a slackener headset is a possibility.
    Sorry I meant Zero stack. I didnt realised that anglesets were available in ZS but you are right! Happy I posted that moan to be corrected - thanks!!!!!

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    No problem, you may have to go to an ec cup on the top but you can definitely get them.

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    I'm looking into the Vanquish XL to replace my Santa Cruz Highball XXL.

    I'm also looking at a Kona Hanzo. I'm leaning towards the Vanquish for the longer wheelbase.

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    Man, Iíve read this thread like four times as itís the only real info Iíve found on these. I canít decide between the Throttle and the Vanquish, and Iím stupidly getting tempted by both... I guess then I could try both and flip the loser... if there is one. None are available anywhere around to demo.

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    I just bought the Vanquish frame only. Going to run a new Pike Debonair 140mm on it. Looking forward to the build and the first ride.

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    You can't go wrong with either frame really. I demo'd a Vanquish and liked it but bought the Throttle because I prefer 650b wheels. The Throttle was the more lively and playful of the pair.

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    Iím figuring out where this ďfitsĒ in my collection. My primary bike is a Mojo HDR in 26 mode, and Iím replacing it with either an HD4 or Ripmo, depending on demo results. So, Iím looking for a HT to have an appropriate buff singletrack ride. Right now I have an older Flash 29er Carbon, but the head tube is steeep. The Vanquish could replace that, as long as it can also serve as a mountain bikerís road bike as well as the Flash. I could also play the same logic game to justify the Throttle as a skills training bike potentially, and dump the older DJ I have for that... GAS is strong in the spring...

    Also I havenít ridden a 27.5 so I donít know what the feel is like yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidmantis View Post
    Man, Iíve read this thread like four times as itís the only real info Iíve found on these. I canít decide between the Throttle and the Vanquish, and Iím stupidly getting tempted by both... I guess then I could try both and flip the loser... if there is one. None are available anywhere around to demo.
    I spoke to Transition UK, gave them positive feedback on the frame and asked them why on earth havenít they sent any out to be reveiwed. They said they woulc check with Transition USA. The vanquish is incredible - I just canít ubderstand it.

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    Wish the vanquish had sliding dropouts so it could be ran as a SS.

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    Based on a converstation with Transition and the Dirt Rag [quick and light] review, I just ordered a Throttle.

    I'm holding you accountable, @coffey555!

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    Nice! It really is a great handling frame, hopefully you like it..... What colour did you go for?

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    I got the Race Raw. I lean heavily to the subtle side of the color spectrum.

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    Anybody have any insights/guesses about if the Throttle and Vanquish are gonna get the SBG treatment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sid duffman View Post
    anybody have any insights/guesses about if the throttle and vanquish are gonna get the sbg treatment?
    sbg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigART View Post
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    "Speed Balanced Geometry;" what Transition calls their latest geometry updates. Longer reach, steeper seat tube angle, slacker head tube angle, and shorter offset fork.

    https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Sp...ain-Bikes,1861

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    Nah, they wonít make new carbon moulds for 3-4 years. Only specialized as silly and loaded enough to do this every year.

    The vanquish is already long reach. buy some short offset forks, Slacken it out with an angleset and move your saddle forward - hey presto!

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    Just finished building my Throttle! I still need to cut the rear brake line to length, but I'll probably punt on that until tomorrow. I'm not feeling like dealing with a bleed right now and need to clean up all the packaging. I also need to retrim the steerer tube as I left it plenty long until I get on the bike and get a better idea of sizing.

    This is the stock GX spec complete for right now, only I swapped the 150mm Reverb dropper with a 175mm KS Lev, which looks to be a perfect fit for me. Now I need to see if I can sell the unused Reverb...

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    Looking good! My bike felt too xc at first, my mates tried it and both agreed the bar was too low. Ended up with 2 x 10mm spacers under the stem. 35mm rise bar and it felt perfect for me. I am running my 36 at 150mm travel though. That stealth build looks really nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Looking good! My bike felt too xc at first, my mates tried it and both agreed the bar was too low. Ended up with 2 x 10mm spacers under the stem. 35mm rise bar and it felt perfect for me. I am running my 36 at 150mm travel though. That stealth build looks really nice!
    Yea long, slack and low BOTTOM BRACKET it should be, not low stack - these are very low stack arenít they. Also running my vanquish with 10mm longer forks than stock, 20mm spacer and 35mm riser bars - now perfect

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    You are not wrong there, the bottom bracket height is low! Running 165mm cranks on mine which helps. You do adapt though. Interesting that we ended up with the same setup despite the difference in wheel sizes. I have a Push ACS3 kit in my fork which has changed the feel of the bike as well. Feels better supported at the front now with much better small bump performance.

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    BB is great on the 29er - I always found the Bb to high on my other 29er hardtails...
    Apart from the low stack, the geo is perfect. Best hardtail ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidmantis View Post
    Just finished building my Throttle! I still need to cut the rear brake line to length, but I'll probably punt on that until tomorrow. I'm not feeling like dealing with a bleed right now and need to clean up all the packaging. I also need to retrim the steerer tube as I left it plenty long until I get on the bike and get a better idea of sizing.

    This is the stock GX spec complete for right now, only I swapped the 150mm Reverb dropper with a 175mm KS Lev, which looks to be a perfect fit for me. Now I need to see if I can sell the unused Reverb...

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    Nice! What height/size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klainmeister View Post
    Nice! What height/size?
    I'm 6', 32" inseam. Bike is the large frame and the 175mm dropper is a perfect fit bottomed out, which should work great when trying to use this at the bike park.

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    Thanks, I have a buddy building one up next week and ordering the frame today and we've been debating sizing. He's 5'6"ish and is on the cusp between sizes. Transition says size up the M with a slammed stem. I guess we'll see. I'll post pics of the build when finished.

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    Fitted a -1 angleset to my Vanquish. With a 130mm fox fork (a-c measurement is only 5mm more than a 120 pike).

    Its made a great bike into an unbelievable bike. Iíve measure the head angle with the iphone app as 66 degrees which is perfect for my riding

    The wheelbase is still short enough to be super flickable, and it doesnít nake the bike any less nimble. But the added slackness definitely helps on the very steep local trails (thing narrow freshly cut enduro stage type trails).

    All in all I think transition should have made this frame 66.5 degrees in the first place...

    Simply the best hardtail I have ever ridden.

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    You have just made it into a Throttle with big wheels then! ;-)

    I run my Throttle with a 150mm 36 which would make the headangle 65.5, feels better like that on the downs without being too difficult on tight hairpin bends.

    Great handling frames, still surprised that nobody has really done a proper review of them yet given how well they ride.

    Never seen another one on the trails.

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    Can you guys fit a 29x2.6 Maxxis on the back of the Vanquish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    If I had the money or I hadn't already bought a TA, I might... every carbon HT I've ridden has ridden awesome, and if Transition did some work, I don't doubt these will. The TA could definitely be more compliant... but it's a bruiser.
    Well... through a series of unfortunate, or fortunate, however you choose to view it, events, I've ended up with a Vanquish.

    Might be a couple weeks before I have a rear wheel for it and it all ready to ride, but it's an exciting step for me... CARBON!!! Ahhhhhhh!!! What have I done?


    Best part? No sliding dropouts and half the weight of the Trans Am.
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    Still looking for more reviews on the Vanquish...I too am a bit mystified by the lack of attention these are getting.

    I also am having trouble finding one to demo in the N. Rockies (but I could say that about the Honzo and EPO that are also on my list)...I could go anywhere from SLC to Bozeman if I could knock off two demos in one trip...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA Rider View Post
    Still looking for more reviews on the Vanquish...I too am a bit mystified by the lack of attention these are getting.

    I also am having trouble finding one to demo in the N. Rockies (but I could say that about the Honzo and EPO that are also on my list)...I could go anywhere from SLC to Bozeman if I could knock off two demos in one trip...
    I used to have an EPO, the handling is very similar to the vanquish, however its carbon layering/make up is such that it is brutally stiff. I got rid of it fairly soon after purchase as it just wasnít a comfy ride.

    The vanquish is so much more vertially compliant and a much better design in my opinikn

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA Rider View Post
    Still looking for more reviews on the Vanquish...I too am a bit mystified by the lack of attention these are getting.

    I also am having trouble finding one to demo in the N. Rockies (but I could say that about the Honzo and EPO that are also on my list)...I could go anywhere from SLC to Bozeman if I could knock off two demos in one trip...
    I'd look at the reviews of the Trans AM 29 2016.

    I had one so I'm not scared to go to this bike. It's basically the same bike with about 3/4" shorter stack and 3/4" longer reach. The rear end is 2mm longer... meh... negligible.

    The frame is about half the weight. The sliding dropouts are gone (which aren't bad but they can come loose - so no liability there unless you want SS capability). The routing is internal except the rear brake (which is a Godsend). It's not a light duty XC frame, it's built for bigger hits.

    Other than that, what else can be said except a bunch of subjective stuff that is in every bike review?

    It's goddamn expensive though... so I can see the trepidation.
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    I'd also expect the lack of press for these to be very much related to Transition themselves and their new bike lineup. A bike like the Sentinel and switching their other bikes to SBG and new carbon offerings has been much more of focal point than a couple really expensive hardtails.

    In talking with Transition, there's a reason they moved away from the steel bikes. Could they have fixed those issues? I'm sure, but probably not and made the profit they wanted. It's much easier to schlep an expensive carbon frame than it is an expensive steel frame. The market is much larger. Personally, I would have loved a really high quality steel version of the TA and would have been willing to dole out $1200 for it. But that's not generally a forward trend.
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