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    Transition throttle & vanquish

    new carbon hardtails to replace the Trans Am rrp in the UK is £1750 for the frame

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    Yeah, since the £ took a nosedive we seem to have returned to the days where in the UK we pay in £ what the US pays in $.

    They're a couple of very good looking hardtails though.

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    Always a fan of harcore hardtails riding a Whyte 905 myself. These two look really nice, although BB height looks a bit tall at 335 for the throttle. I guess it suits their own terrain better than something lower, but I wonder how it affects the ride (mine's 305mm)

    Price is a bit steep though, I hope they follow up with steel or alu versions at friendlier price points.

    They really nailed the aesthetics I have to admit, they're both great looking.

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    Great looking bikes. Why isn't this thread 50 pages long already? OK I'll start:

    No price point steel or alloy options

    No 27.5+ compatibility.

    and go..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    Great looking bikes. Why isn't this thread 50 pages long already? OK I'll start:

    No price point steel or alloy options

    No 27.5+ compatibility.

    and go..............
    Steel option would be nice. Alloy with this geo and spec is worthless. I don't blame them for not bothering.

    Throttle fits 2.6 tire. That's plenty. 27.5+ is a gimmick anyway.

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    Alu worthless? Don't think so. Two differently spec'ed alu versions (for example NX with Sektor and GX with Yari) would considerably widen the buyer spectrum. I believe such offerings would suit the hardcore hardtail demographic better pricewise. Or newcomers who don't want a XC hardtail. Current versions are $$$$$.

    If they intented to offer steel versions they would have probably kept the Trans Am model name.

    As for the old steel vs alu argument, design can also determine how a bike feels. Not all alu or steel frames are created the same. Add 2.5-2.6 tyres and I'm sure an alu ht can be pretty forgiving.

    Anyway, glad to see ht's back in the trail bike game.

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    Think this is just what happens... last Trans Am was awesome. Could it have been a little nicer... sure. For the price, probably not. Margin is probably a good bit higher on the plastic bikes and they are moving their line forward with this all around.

    A steel option? Been there, done that. Alum? Nah... the carbon is a big jump up from where they were... tack another grand onto your HT? Not me, I'd just buy an alloy Scout

    I do like that the weight is half my steel bike, but I don't except to move away from TA - geo is pretty close on the Vanquish anyway.

    If I had the money or I hadn't already bought a TA, I might... every carbon HT I've ridden has ridden awesome, and if Transition did some work, I don't doubt these will. The TA could definitely be more compliant... but it's a bruiser.
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    I'm surprised that I have not seen hardly any chatter on these bikes since the launch. I've had a TransAM for years and was looking forward to replacing it when it was eliminated from the line-up. The announcement of these frames was a welcomed surprise.

    I took delivery of a Vanquish this past Saturday and put down three rides. So far really impressed. Much like everything else Transition makes, it's a ton of fun to ride and just wants to rip. Their bikes have the best personalities. If anyone has any questions about the ride, post up and I'll offer whatever feed back I can.

    I suspect once this bike catches on, they won't be able to keep them in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickey View Post
    I'm surprised that I have not seen hardly any chatter on these bikes since the launch. I've had a TransAM for years and was looking forward to replacing it when it was eliminated from the line-up. The announcement of these frames was a welcomed surprise.

    I took delivery of a Vanquish this past Saturday and put down three rides. So far really impressed. Much like everything else Transition makes, it's a ton of fun to ride and just wants to rip. Their bikes have the best personalities. If anyone has any questions about the ride, post up and I'll offer whatever feed back I can.

    I suspect once this bike catches on, they won't be able to keep them in stock.
    I'm really interested in one of these frames but it's just the wrong time of year for me. All of the upper elevation trails are thawing out and a hardtail is more of a winter bike for these parts.

    What kind of trails have been on with the Vanquish? When I asked Transition about the two frames they said Throttle if you like air and Vanquish if you want to put in the miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    I'm really interested in one of these frames but it's just the wrong time of year for me. All of the upper elevation trails are thawing out and a hardtail is more of a winter bike for these parts.

    What kind of trails have been on with the Vanquish? When I asked Transition about the two frames they said Throttle if you like air and Vanquish if you want to put in the miles.
    I would say that Transition likely summed up the two bikes well in that statement. To be clear, I have not rode the Throttle but based on how the Vanquish handles, I imagine the throttle is like a BMX bike for the trails.

    I'm in lower Michigan and we have pretty traditional singletrack - roots, rocks, small burms and a few natural features but nothing excessive. Both the climbs and downhills would not be considered long by anyone in a mountain area but our trails are constant up and down. Punchy climbs and short but quick descents, typically putting you right into another climb. Lots of tight twisty technical sections, linking up corners and rolling downhills right into uphills.

    The bike is really stiff and the hardtail obviously shines on the climbs. I find it more agile than my TransAM was. By my second ride on my "home" trail, I was easily taking tighter lines on corners that I have ridden the same line on for years. It just loves to dive into the corners - the swoop factor is high.

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    I'll echo this--I rode the Vanquish last night. It is a hard charger trail bike--just with less suspension. The 120 fork and fixed rear makes the rider more attached to the trail, and this has benefits and drawbacks. You can be super fast and agile, it goes where you want, it climbs like crazy, it goes down like crazy.

    The down for some is that you can't just sit there and plow over shit. You need to be off the seat more--the suspension is in your legs.

    Short version--really cool trail bike that can tackle a lot more terrain than you might realize. But you can't ride it like a full-sus bike.

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    They look like nice frames but I was disappointed by the lack of steel and singlespeed dropouts. The last Trans Am has good geometry but their dropouts suck and the internal dropper cable routing is not optimal.

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    Who's gonna single speed a 1600$ carbon frame?

    I like the fixed dropout design. The FAST dropouts on the TA aren't that bad. I don't know how they'd work if I actually moved them, but slammed forward and loctite'd up, they work fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l'oiseau View Post
    Who's gonna single speed a 1600$ carbon frame?

    I like the fixed dropout design. The FAST dropouts on the TA aren't that bad. I don't know how they'd work if I actually moved them, but slammed forward and loctite'd up, they work fine.
    Uhm, I'm eating pancakes and drinking coffee. It's delicious!

    You haven't tried to run the TA dropouts SS? Yeah, they're not that great. And to answer your question, people who ride singlespeeds will SS whatever hardtail hey own, no matter the frame material, as long as the dropouts accommodate it. But if you look at my post I was referring to the lack of a steel and SS option...

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    Their bikes are badass and pretty damn close to what I'm looking for in my next bikes. Question though, I only have experience with 29'ers, why would they make the more aggressive, long travel bike with 27.5 wheels over 29?

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    Hickey we need pics dammit!

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    The pic request is reasonable. So it's a simple 1x11 GX drive trail with Anvl stem, bars and wheels but I had the rear wheel rebuilt with an Onyx boost hub. Pike 120 up front and I had to use a parts bin post for now but an E.13 dropper is not far out. Chromag Trailmaster DT seat because for me, it's the best fit.

    Transition - if you are listening, Anvl parts are fantastic - why not offer an Anvl parts spec? This bike would be the perfect victim.

    All of this made possible by my local Transition dealer Pat from Backdoor Bikes. Pat is the man. I think is was less than a month from the time I saw the press release until I put down my first ride on this bike.

    And again, as if I haven't said it enough - this bike absolutely rips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by felix1776 View Post
    Their bikes are badass and pretty damn close to what I'm looking for in my next bikes. Question though, I only have experience with 29'ers, why would they make the more aggressive, long travel bike with 27.5 wheels over 29?
    It's the same it was with the TA series. It's easier to make a longer travel with the smaller wheels and keep the geo in check. Also, you don't really need as much travel on a 29er because the wheels get stopped us less due to a better angle of attack.
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    Looks sweet! Water bottle matches perfectly as well

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    Built my Throttle up last week, absolutely love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Built my Throttle up last week, absolutely love it!
    sooooo. pics? weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyLight350z View Post
    sooooo. pics? weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
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    Looks badass! How are you liking it so far? any highlights?

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    The bike is very good on steep technical sections, the low toptube and 175mm dropper give great standover height clearance. It also loves tight, twisty singletrack, the thing flows along nicely. The carbon frame really takes the edge off the stiffness of the Enve wheels which I found to be too harsh on my Stanton Ti Slackline. The Throttle also climbs really well considering its downward bias. The internal cables are a pita to run (especially the dropper one!) and the rear axle is a 5mm hex (non issue for me as 36 is the same) which may annoy some but minor points really. All in all I love it, feels like a hardtail Bronson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    The bike is very good on steep technical sections, the low toptube and 175mm dropper give great standover height clearance. It also loves tight, twisty singletrack, the thing flows along nicely. The carbon frame really takes the edge off the stiffness of the Enve wheels which I found to be too harsh on my Stanton Ti Slackline. The Throttle also climbs really well considering its downward bias. The internal cables are a pita to run (especially the dropper one!) and the rear axle is a 5mm hex (non issue for me as 36 is the same) which may annoy some but minor points really. All in all I love it, feels like a hardtail Bronson.
    So you find the frame a bit more compliant that the switchback ti?
    I quite fancy this bike (or the vanquish) but worry it will be harsh.

    I had a canfield EPO for a short while, I found that really quite harsh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    So you find the frame a bit more compliant that the switchback ti?
    I quite fancy this bike (or the vanquish) but worry it will be harsh.

    I had a canfield EPO for a short while, I found that really quite harsh....
    Steel is real. Look into a Ragely BigWig if you want an aggressive (but compliant) 29er hardtail frame. Inexpensive too!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Steel is real. Look into a Ragely BigWig if you want an aggressive (but compliant) 29er hardtail frame. Inexpensive too!
    Yea love a steel. Will have a look at the big wig - cheers. Had a Stanton Sherpa Steel and a Production Privee Stan GT - both compliant. But heavy.....

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    Yes, I was surprised just how compliant the Throttle frame turned out to be. I did back to back testing with the Ti Switchback Mk2 using exactly the same components and the Throttle was more comfortable. Both are great frames but I preferred the Transition in the end, the Stanton felt a little short and tall after riding the Throttle. The frame is also 1.5lbs lighter as well. The Vanquish also rode well but much preferred the more involving ride of the smaller wheels. I get the whole steel thing, I had a 26inch Cotic BFe that I loved but was just too tall in the seat tube. With the arrival of longer droppers they really need to lower the standover heights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffey555 View Post
    Yes, I was surprised just how compliant the Throttle frame turned out to be. I did back to back testing with the Ti Switchback Mk2 using exactly the same components and the Throttle was more comfortable. Both are great frames but I preferred the Transition in the end, the Stanton felt a little short and tall after riding the Throttle. The frame is also 1.5lbs lighter as well. The Vanquish also rode well but much preferred the more involving ride of the smaller wheels. I get the whole steel thing, I had a 26inch Cotic BFe that I loved but was just too tall in the seat tube. With the arrival of longer droppers they really need to lower the standover heights.
    Thanks. Did you have a Long stanton? Or the regular? I have a switchback ti mk2 18" long....

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    I also had the 18" long. The throttle is longer, lower and lighter. Given how highly rated the Stanton is, it will be interesting to see how the Transition frame reviews.

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    liking the longer geometry, maybe I can finally ride a bike without an offset seatpost

    wish they would have fit the XL with holes for 2 bottle holders, looks like there would be plenty of room with the downtube bottle moved forward a few inches

    not sure I'll pony up the cash for a carbon HT but the Vanquish would definitely make the short list

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    To those who have sat on a vanquish....

    It has a long eTT for its size. Anyone find it too long? Seems like 1" longer than other bikes out there... Can't find one anywhere near me to sit on. Bit worried about ordering one blind.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    To those who have sat on a vanquish....

    It has a long eTT for its size. Anyone find it too long? Seems like 1" longer than other bikes out there... Can't find one anywhere near me to sit on. Bit worried about ordering one blind.....
    How tall are you? What have you been riding? I'd focus on reach more than ETT. I just picked up an XL.
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    Im 6'4' I have the xl I love it. 50mm stem 840mm bars. TT is long but pretty in line with modern fs bikes. hardtails are finally catching up.

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    Thanka guys. I'm 6'1 but with a 35" inseam which means my height is in my legs. I normally prefer bikes with a steep seat angle and shorter eTT (but longer reach)

    I fired up photoshop last night, scaled down pictures of the vanquish and shan GT and overlayed them. A Large Shan is almost identical size to a medium Vanquish. As I rode and XL shan GT I think a large will be fine.

    I have a Spider 275c for the fun twisty trails so think I'm going to go for a vanquish over a throttle for speed and climbing.

    How do you like it Nolamonster? Have you had any other 29er hardtails you can compare it against?

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    As said above, its geometry is inline with modern FS bikes. No issues going between the Throttle and my Bronson. I found my Stanton Slackline Ti Mk2 to feel a little short after riding my Santa Cruz.

    The large Vanquish I tried as a demo felt good, not overly long. I just prefer 27.5 wheels which is why I ended up with the Throttle.

    As for speed and climbing, the Throttle is seriously fast. The more I ride it the more I love it.

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    Ive had a number of 29er hardtails but most were custom with similar geometry, most recently a waltworks 29+ and seven cycles sola ti built with honzoish geo. the stock bikes I've had have been more xc than the vanquish. So far this one is my favorite climbs great, descends better and is a ton of fun on tight twisty stuff. And with descending it wants to go! I ended up throwing in some huck norris tire inserts after shredding 2 tires in 2 rides. I'm hitting stuff just a touch slower than on my hightower so I needed a little security since tires aren't cheap.

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    Just got my Throttle on Thursday - only one ride but lot of fun so far. Swapped out to a 60mm stem, Enve bar and Minion/Rekon 2.6 tubeless but rest of bike is stock build kit - just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    just not the build kit they list on the webpage....

    Bike with Tool kit, tube, pump, pedals ready to ride is 27 pounds 14 oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbd View Post
    How did you get a better stock build?
    No idea - but am glad. Its what was it the box when the shop ordered it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NitroRC Ed View Post
    No idea - but am glad. Its what was it the box when the shop ordered it for me.
    Transition has a new build kit in stock for 2018 that's not shown on their 2017 website right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruppguts View Post
    Transition has a new build kit in stock for 2018 that's not shown on their 2017 website right now.
    That was kind of my guess - was a pleasant surprise though.

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    Just orderd my Vanquish Frame - Orange / Large.

    33% off! Amazed that these bikes are in the 2017 sale when they only came out a few months ago. I would expect the colourways to remain the same for 2018.

    Cant wait to build it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Just orderd my Vanquish Frame - Orange / Large.

    33% off! Amazed that these bikes are in the 2017 sale when they only came out a few months ago. I would expect the colourways to remain the same for 2018.

    Cant wait to build it up.

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    Hey guys, I picked up an XL Vanquish and I LOVE IT but after a couple rides it's just a little too long for me when I'm in the saddle... I'm 6'3" but it's all in my legs, and I think I've finally found my limit on these longer each numbers with my short arms. I've bought lots of bikes without trying them just by careful geo study and comparisons, but unfortunately finally missed the mark. It's got maybe two hours of riding on it and is in perfect condition minus a small paint chip that occurred in the bottom bracket area. The downtube, chain stays, and yoke are all protected with 3M protective film. I know this isn't the buy and sell, but if anyone is curious shoot me a PM. I'd be willing to take a bit of a hit on frame and fork price if I have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruppguts View Post
    Hey guys, I picked up an XL Vanquish and I LOVE IT but after a couple rides it's just a little too long for me when I'm in the saddle... I'm 6'3" but it's all in my legs, and I think I've finally found my limit on these longer each numbers with my short arms. I've bought lots of bikes without trying them just by careful geo study and comparisons, but unfortunately finally missed the mark. It's got maybe two hours of riding on it and is in perfect condition minus a small paint chip that occurred in the bottom bracket area. The downtube, chain stays, and yoke are all protected with 3M protective film. I know this isn't the buy and sell, but if anyone is curious shoot me a PM. I'd be willing to take a bit of a hit on frame and fork price if I have to.
    Have you tried a 35mm stem and putting the seat all the way forward?

    You could also try moving the stem up the fork steerer as far up as it will go (and use a lower rise bar if this means the bars are too high) - you'll loose a few mm of reach this way too.

    Plus a slightly narrower bar will help....

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