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    Smuggler shock options

    I've had my smuggler for a year and I'm frustrated with the stock monarch. Rebound seems finicky between packing up and losing stability. For reference I am 190lbs, running 170 psi with 2 bands @ 35% sag. Choppy rocky terrain seems to cause the most noticeable issues.

    Options I am looking at are:
    Dvo topaz
    Monarch plus
    Cane Creek dbi air
    Cand Creek dbi coil

    Any experience with any of these would be greatly appreciated!

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    35% sag seems like it would give any shocks fits, check out vorsprung suspension tech talk series on vitalmtb, I have to run my ccdb air closer to 25% to get it to feel real right even.

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    What makes you say that? Transition optimized the linkage around 35% sag. Running 25% on the smuggler made it feel off

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    How does it feel off at 25%, what are you feeling? Shocks in my experience at 35% sag produces the effects you describe. check out this vid, it has some really great info on air shocks, volume spacers, and the effects they have on each other. I think the highlight for your question starts at about 11min, Too much sag and a lot of spacers results in a shock that only have a small amount of usable travel that ramps up like crazy and produces a harsh effect. Hopefully this helps!

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    25% (higher spring rate = higher frequency) made the issues with rebound worse. I had to dial in more rebound to keep the rear wheel from kicking around in choppy terrain. The result was a dead feeling that packed up, or no chassis stability. The higher the spring rate, the smaller the usable range of damping seems to be. Two spacers and 35% sag is the baseline setup recommended by transition. I have ran between zero and 4 spacers, sag from 20% to 40%. Finding a rebound setting has been a trade off between bouncy and dead no matter what.

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    I had same problem with Monarch Debonair on different bike. Had to revalve it and after several tries it is perfect. The shock was stock MM tune. There was disbalance between high and low speed rebound. When I opened the lsr enough to avoid packing up on successive hits there was too few hsr and bike was kicking back in case of bigger hits. I made the hsr stiffer - all details are in RT3 tuning thread in shocks forum. I was able to reduce the lsr from 7 clicks to 4 clicks - it is not packing up and it is not kicking back. Other change that I made was to reduce the preload on the main compression stack - it gave me much better small bump compliance. It is really worth it.

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    That is good info. Thank you!

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    Depending on your riding style and weight the suggestions from Transition might work - or not
    In my case the recommendation with 35% SAG and two bands inside of the Monarch did not work well. It bobbled too much while climbing and I had harsh bottom outs in landings. By the way: Rider weight 75kg
    So, I installed a third, a fourth and a fifth rubber band just to realize, that for my riding style and weight four bands are fine. I increased as well the air to approx. 30% SAG. I also went lower than 30% SAG with the Monarch but I totally agree - then the damping system feels dead.

    Ok, back to topic. I had the chance of getting a Marzocchi 053 Damper which I do run right now in the Smuggler. It is quite a progressive Damper so overall it fits to my demands (by adding the rubber bands you just increase the progressivity of the Monarch). I strongly recommend this damper for the Smuggler.

    As the Marzocchi has a superb slippery feel right from the beginning I dropped the SAG to 25%. I also checked the leverage ratio before that on linkage. There you realize that this will not have any negative effects. 25% SAG results for the Smuggler in a much more effective pedaling feeling while the shock is full open while I am still using all of it´s travel (not as often as before with the Monarch, probably only every third ride). Also you will come up with your bottom bracket a bit, so I do not have any problems with the crank while climbing.
    Hope this helps a bit.
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    I will add my 2 cents to this thread. I had an older Float X from my Bandit 27.5 frame that I ended up keeping when I sold that frame. I knew it would fit my Smuggler so I was happy the guy who bought it didn't want the shock.

    This particular shock seems to work fantastic with this frame. If I add air to give it better bottom out and more support it still feels like butter off the top and super smooth through the travel. I have run the Monarch and the Float X back to back on the same trail on the same day and the difference between the two is substantial. The only drawback for me is that I cannot use a water bottle due to the piggyback on this shock (running a medium frame).

    The bike does feel more active during pedaling with the Float X but in my mind that just translates to better traction over technical features when climbing.

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    Thanks everyone for your experiences. I'm going to put a DB inline on the bike (got a good deal) and start fresh with tuning. The monarch needs service so I considering changing the tune just for fun. I will keep it around in case the inline has issues.

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    Hey guys,

    Monarch blew up but was having similar issues to the OP regarding feeling hung up on choppy rocky terrain so decided not to fix it and bought a 2017 Fox Float X evol. I'm 76 kg kitted up and am running it at 170 psi with a .4 volume reducer to achieve 33% sag. Done multiple runs on tracks I know well and I am very happy with the upgrade. I have just left it in the full open setting the whole time. It climbs equally to the monarch but pedals a bit nicer on flat efforts when going for it. In terms of descending it handles big hits in a similar manner to the monarch which I never had an issue with but tracks heaps better over fast choppy stuff. It just seems to track the ground a lot nicer and holds pace easier without getting as hung up.

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    I'm also happy Smuggler-owner now.

    Transition has done a really good job at the suspension design. The bike pedals very well. On a steep rooty climb where you need to lift the rear wheel over the step created by big root and press harder on the pedals, the bike does not sag, but rather springs forward.

    But the shock tune selection is strange. Low compression and low rebound damping on an XL frame with leverage ration 2.3 is not a good choice. I'm 100kg and run 220psi to get 35% sag.

    I tried the stock shock tune on two rides, but as I expected was not able to find a good setting for rebound that works on both big and small bumps.

    On the compression side RockShox has heavily preloaded main stack to make the lockout work. You can feel it even when the compression adjuster is in the open position. I don't want lockout, I want to smooth the rooty trail.

    So I revalved the shock. On the rebound side tried something similar to medium tune first, on the compression side something like medium minus, but with greatly reduced preload. The bike was too wallovy and used bit too much travel. Compression adjuster had very little effect.

    I increased the rebound further and used high rebound stack. On the compression side I increased the low speed compression damping and increased platform tiny bit.

    I just came back from testing and it felt good. I'm running rebound adjuster in the middle and compression in the open position. It feels like I'm riding through the roots not over them. Pedalling efficiency is still good, no bobbing. I'm going to run this tune for some time and see if I want to fine tune it further.

    If somebody wants to try it, here is my setup:

    rebound stack (from nut, stock H tune)

    19 x .1
    19 x .15 + 16.3 x .1 ring shim
    19 x .1
    11 x .2 - 2 pcs
    11 x .3 - 3 pcs
    19 x .15 - 3 pcs
    19 x .3 + 16.3 x .15 ring shim
    19 x .15

    compression stack (from piston, custom tune)

    22 x .25 - 2 pcs
    22 x .4 + 19 x .1 ring shim
    22 x .15 - 2 pcs
    11 x .2 - 2 pcs
    11 x .3 - 3 pcs
    22 x .2 - 2 pcs

    And another thing - I lowered the IFP pressure to 250psi, to help to reduce the seal stiction.

    I might try to increase the HSC in the future and put a shim between the 22 x .25 shims and ring shim.

    If you are heavier rider I really suggest to try M or H rebound tune.

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    After not liking the DB Inline, I traded it out for a MM monarch plus. At 190lbs, I'm excited to try it

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    I just slapped on a DB IL Coil last night and my initial ride around the block was pretty nice and plush but still gave me enough pop to bunny hop easily. I'll get a true feel later today when I go for a ride. Looks pretty sweet to me though and feels matched to my Rockshox Pike with an Avalanche cartridge.

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    How did the coil go Arashi? Would love a ride report and to know if the bike lost much pop as a result of the coil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelsior01 View Post
    How did the coil go Arashi? Would love a ride report and to know if the bike lost much pop as a result of the coil?
    The coil shock was great! Amazing traction on the climbs and if you want more efficiency you could always flip the climb lever which really settles down any movement in the rear. It's not a lockout though so keep that in mind. I kept it open even on the climbs because there were some rocky techy sections that would normally cause me to spin up rocks but with this setup it had a lot more traction. On the descents it felt great eating up all the small bumps and still giving me pop to get it in the air whenever I wanted. I was only going to use this coil for big rides or going to Big Bear for park runs but now I don't think I'd want to go back to an air shock ever again!

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    Thanks for letting us know. My buddy loves his cane creek coil on his scout. Nice to know it works well on the smuggler too. I may have to save up for a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnea View Post

    compression stack (from piston, custom tune)

    22 x .25 - 2 pcs
    22 x .4 + 19 x .1 ring shim
    22 x .15 - 2 pcs
    11 x .2 - 2 pcs
    11 x .3 - 3 pcs
    22 x .2 - 2 pcs

    And another thing - I lowered the IFP pressure to 250psi, to help to reduce the seal stiction.

    I might try to increase the HSC in the future and put a shim between the 22 x .25 shims and ring shim.

    If you are heavier rider I really suggest to try M or H rebound tune.
    Initially this compression stack felt ok, but after I got my Manitou Magnum tuned, the shock felt bad. When I was moving over medium sized roots at medium speed, the shock did not compress as easily as fork and hardtail like feeling. Still too much platform.

    I revalved the shock once again:

    22 x .25 - 3 pcs
    22 x .4 + 19 x .1 ring shim
    22 x .15 - 1 pcs
    11 x .2 - 2 pcs
    11 x .3 - 3 pcs
    22 x .2 - 2 pcs

    So - less preload and stiffer speed stack. I also removed two spacers from air camber (only one left) and increased little bit the air pressure. The idea was to make spring more linear (more support at the middle at same bottom out force). The initial force increased also, but this was offset by much less platform on the compression side, so the total force probably decreased.

    Today I had finally chance to test the bike on my local tracks. Rear end felt balanced with fork. Very nice and plush over roots, especially on fast descents, I would say that support on larger hits was also good, but I really had not time to test it. Rear end was lively - perhaps little bit too much, I must look at rebound side again.

    I would say it was another step in right direction.

    Just one thing - with this stack one will loose the lockout and pedal platform features almost completely. Because there is so few preload on the main stack, it will flow very easily. I did not test the compression lever though - I run the shock always open. Giddy Up suspension has very good anti-squat curve and I don't see the need for lockout or platform.

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    I'm not sure why my images disappeared cause I could have sworn they loaded when I posted. Oh well here they are again if anyone wants to see a coil on a Smuggler. Smuggler shock options-img_3597.jpgSmuggler shock options-img_3596.jpgSmuggler shock options-img_3593.jpgSmuggler shock options-img_3592.jpgSmuggler shock options-img_3590.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by arashi View Post
    I'm not sure why my images disappeared cause I could have sworn they loaded when I posted. Oh well here they are again if anyone wants to see a coil on a Smuggler. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by deserat View Post
    190x50?
    That is correct...This was the only coil shock I've found that came in that size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arashi View Post
    That is correct...This was the only coil shock I've found that came in that size.

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    Yep. I have the same on my Devinci Django 29 (plus a few other tweaks). Went with the Django for the carbon, boost, slightly better peddling.... can't stop thinking about the smuggler that I demoed, though. I know they're close to releasing new models so we'll see what the future holds. But I kinda like the ideas of throwing my inline coil on a smuggler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deserat View Post
    Yep. I have the same on my Devinci Django 29 (plus a few other tweaks). Went with the Django for the carbon, boost, slightly better peddling.... can't stop thinking about the smuggler that I demoed, though. I know they're close to releasing new models so we'll see what the future holds. But I kinda like the ideas of throwing my inline coil on a smuggler.
    How did you fit a DB IL Coil on a Django? I thought they came with a 7.25x1.75 (184x44) shock. The Cane Creek DB IL Coil is 7.50x2.00 (190/51). I don't think they make one in 7.25x1.75 from what I see or are you just running a long shock in your Django?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arashi View Post
    How did you fit a DB IL Coil on a Django? I thought they came with a 7.25x1.75 (184x44) shock. The Cane Creek DB IL Coil is 7.50x2.00 (190/51). I don't think they make one in 7.25x1.75 from what I see or are you just running a long shock in your Django?
    Yes, 7.50x2.0 with a 2mm offset bushing. It's a tight fit but I like it. By my rough measurements it's about 130-135mm travel on the rear now. MRP ribbon at 140mm still at about 77.5 - 78 degrees. I'll post a short review and some pics over in one of the Django 29 posts soon.

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    Arashi,

    I am thinking about putting the db il coil on my 2016 Smuggler. Did you have a hard time getting the spring weight correct? Did you call Transition and cane creek to get help figuring it out? I am about 195 with gear. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit21 View Post
    Arashi,

    I am thinking about putting the db il coil on my 2016 Smuggler. Did you have a hard time getting the spring weight correct? Did you call Transition and cane creek to get help figuring it out? I am about 195 with gear. Thanks.
    There's a spring weight calculator on Cane Creek's website but it is only an estimated spring weight so keep that in mind. It told me to go with a 400lb spring but the lowest Volt spring available was 450lb so I took the chance and it worked out for me. The 400lb spring might have been too soft for me so I got lucky. I'm 160-165lbs geared up. There might be a bit of trial an error but that was one of the advantages of air springs over coils so this is nothing new. I'd imagine you're either going to need a 500lb or 550lb spring so it's not like you'll be buying a bunch of different springs. Keep in mind if you're not comfortable tuning your suspension this might not be the route to take since you could get lost adjusting the high/low compression and the high/low rebound. I love it!

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    Not trying to squish the smuggler with a coil idea - I was initially psyched about the idea too. But I had a chance to do a couple laps in on again the other day and it's already a pretty linear curve, in my opinion. Didn't seem to have the built in progressiveness that would benefit from a coil in my opinion. So for me, im not sure if it's worth it. Just my $.02.


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    Quote Originally Posted by deserat View Post
    Not trying to squish the smuggler with a coil idea - I was initially psyched about the idea too. But I had a chance to do a couple laps in on again the other day and it's already a pretty linear curve, in my opinion. Didn't seem to have the built in progressiveness that would benefit from a coil in my opinion. So for me, im not sure if it's worth it. Just my $.02.


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    Thanks Deserat. I actually just heard back from Transition via e-mail and they agree that the bike will work better keeping an air shock as the bike has the linear curve. I think I am going to go with the DB Air IL and see how it goes.

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    I recently purchased a DVO Topaz T3 Air for my small 2016 Smuggler. It mounted fine and I took it out for it's first ride. What an improvement over the Monarch! The back end was way more planted and supple. Instantly noticeable in the chunder.

    Unfortunately, when I got home I noticed a nic in the paint on my downtube... it looks like the reservoir on the shock hits the downtube on small Smugglers before reaching full travel. . I tried mounting upside down but reservoir hits before the shock mount. I'm pretty bummed to go back to the Monarch after sampling the DVO but imagine someone with a medium or large frame will make use of it.
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    Hmm. Perhaps you can reduce the travel little bit? If it is only small nick then couple of mm-s might be sufficient. BTW, can you take picture with compressed shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arashi View Post
    I love it!
    Are you still riding with the IL Coil ?

    Any feedback on how it's going ?

    Pretty keen to check out the Topaz otherwise, assuming it has no fit issue on a L frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nhbrooks View Post
    After not liking the DB Inline, I traded it out for a MM monarch plus. At 190lbs, I'm excited to try it
    How did the MM tune work out for you?

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    I'll chime in on the DBCoil IL for the Smuggler.

    I put mine on about two weeks ago and have a few decent rides on it. I really hate fiddling with all the LSC/LSR/etc knobs, I'm kindof OCD and feel like I'm constantly tweaking them, but Transition recommended a fairly low compression tune, so I went with that and worked with it until it felt right.

    The tricky part was the sag setting. I tried it at 30% and felt it was too firm, initially figuring running a little less sag would work better since it's such a smooth shock compared to the Monarch. I was wrong, it felt really bad, so I went back to 33% and retuned to adjust for the change and it feels great. I think a lot of the reason it felt so off was the change in geometry and fit, less sag means you are up higher and pushed further forward, it felt kindof awkward there.

    With it setup correctly, the bike climbs better and is a lot more planted in the rear. I have not had any issues with harsh bottom outs.

    For reference, I ride in WNC, mostly in Pisgah, so a lot of natural terrain with a lot of high speed chunky sections and some large, ungroomed features. I don't ride park or hit a lot of jumps.

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    The '18 smuggler seems like it'd be an awesome all around rig, only thing that's frustrating is the rear shock. Anyone have any feedback on the Fox DPS Performance Elite? I had the evol on my 5010 and absolutely hated it.

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    I thought the DPS was as bad as the old CTD stuff. I swapped mine out for a Topaz as soon as I could.

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    For those interested in the coil on a Smuggler. I had this on my Scout and really liked the way it transformed the bike. The Scout and Smuggler use the same size shock, 7.5x2.0

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    So I assume this is the metric version of the Topaz? How does it feel different than the DPS shock that came on it?

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    Anyone else run into clearance issues with the Topaz on larger size smuggler frames? Wondering if it would fit on my XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish_matt View Post
    I thought the DPS was as bad as the old CTD stuff. I swapped mine out for a Topaz as soon as I could.
    What mounting hardware did you use for the Topaz? I'm looking to buy one but can only find 22mm x 8mm, the smuggler uses 21.8mm x 8mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finksta View Post
    What mounting hardware did you use for the Topaz? I'm looking to buy one but can only find 22mm x 8mm, the smuggler uses 21.8mm x 8mm.

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    I tried a CCDB with 22 x 8 on my Smuggler and it fit alright. You can always sand/grind down the bushings if they don't fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finksta View Post
    What mounting hardware did you use for the Topaz? I'm looking to buy one but can only find 22mm x 8mm, the smuggler uses 21.8mm x 8mm.

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    The Topaz came with bushings and I reused the hardware and spacers from the Fox shock.

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    Awaiting my 2018 Smuggler but considering a coil chock for it. The only one I can find in 210x50mm is Öhlins TTX 22, anyone seen any others?

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    Cane Creek DB Coil IL is available in 210 x 50....
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    The super deluxe coil comes in 210x50. I'm considering it but it's hard to find online.

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    Another Shock Option

    I went with a Super Deluxe. These can be ordered in the new metric size. They are custom tuned for the Yeti SB5 but fit on the Smuggler if you run it upside down. I don't have any trail time on it yet since winter decided to return to Idaho but I will report on it when I get some trail time. According to Project Bikes in Bend, whom I got the idea from, this is a fantastic upgrade to the stock shock that comes on the Smuggler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caspar View Post
    How did the MM tune work out for you?
    can't speak for the other guy, but i just put a monarch plus with a MM tune on my 2017 smuggler. I've only ridden it once since then and it was on an unfamiliar and much bumpier trail than what I'm used to, so ill need some more time but so far i think i may have made a mistake. feels very harsh, ended up running it at about 40% sag and seemed to ride okay but still harsher than expected, felt similar to what i imagine it would feel like if my rebound was way too high. once some snow melts ill take it out on my usual trails and try to fine tune the settings, but so far I'm a little worried. i did email transition ahead of time to ask what the stock setting was on the monarch and told them i might get a monarch plus MM and they basically said "that should work. you should get a fox they're awesome."

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    I really like my V1 smuggler with the MM monarch plus. I feel like all of the monarchs I've used work better with the low speed rebound set kind of fast. The MM time felt more composed at high speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nhbrooks View Post
    I really like my V1 smuggler with the MM monarch plus. I feel like all of the monarchs I've used work better with the low speed rebound set kind of fast. The MM time felt more composed at high speeds.
    Do you know what the stock tune is on the V1? Ill still need another ride or two to get my new MM tuned monarch sorted out, but man it feels harsh so far.

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    The stock tune is pretty light for both rebound and compression. I would open your shock up and make sure it's lubed. I have found several that felt harsh because they were dry. Check your air seals also.

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    its lubed, they actually did a pretty good job with that. the rebound on the MM isn't so bad but the compression just feels harsh. kind of like every bump is a square edge bump and my tire has way too much air.

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    Hmm, what are you running the rebound at? There is a bit of crossover once you get past halfway. With 115mm of travel, packing happens and can feel like that. I thought going a bit faster than normal felt good.

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