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    Smuggler build thread

    I'll go. First tracks coming up.

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    Awesome! My frame just came today, should have it built in the next week or so. I'll post pics here when I do, if you don't mind

    Did you get one of the completes or is this a frame-up build? Parts list?

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    I just built with what I had and added a SRAM XX1 crank. Haven't had a chance to get it out on the trail yet.

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    Smuggler build thread

    Looking forward to hearing how these things ride in the real world, I love the idea of them and from what I've seen of the Patrol and Scout the quality is all the way up there too.

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    I will say that the frame is sexy as hell. Build quality looks good and I really like the new pivot system. I still have to bleed and reroute my rear brake through the down tube and install a longer gravity dropper cable.

    Allen at Drop N Zone was awesome and got the frame shipped out to me the same day he picked up from Transition. Now that's customer service!

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    Just a quick update. I've had two rides so far on my local loops that I ride on a regular basis. To say we have rock and technical riding is sorta of an understatement. Limestone and marbles are everywhere. The Smuggler eats it up.

    I immediately noticed that I had increased traction climbing tech and braking on the descents so I'm very happy with the horst link design. One thing I thought would be negative on this bike is the lack of rear suspension travel. I'm a big rider at 240lbs geared up and had no problem with harsh bottoms out. Very composed.

    Coming from a Covert I thought it would be an issue but at least for me its not. Yes its not a 5-6" bike however I think Transition did an excellent job with the design and bottom out control. I started with the sag at 35% and have since moved to about 40% and fully open platform on the debonair. It feels much better with this setup. Up front I'm running a Fox 34 140mm with Avalanche damper. All good there and can't really say it has any negative affect on handling as they spec the bike at 130mm.

    One other thing to note is how snappy this bike feels with the newer geometry. Much easier to manual and flick around. Depending on your preference you may or may not like the longer top tube. I do as I prefer longer front, short stays and short stem.

    More to come later.

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    Can't wait to finish building mine!

    Could you take a picture or two of the non drive side? I'm curious to see how you ran rear shifter and brake lines...

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Just a quick update. I've had two rides so far on my local loops that I ride on a regular basis. To say we have rock and technical riding is sorta of an understatement. Limestone and marbles are everywhere. The Smuggler eats it up.

    I immediately noticed that I had increased traction climbing tech and braking on the descents so I'm very happy with the horst link design. One thing I thought would be negative on this bike is the lack of rear suspension travel. I'm a big rider at 240lbs geared up and had no problem with harsh bottoms out. Very composed.

    Coming from a Covert I thought it would be an issue but at least for me its not. Yes its not a 5-6" bike however I think Transition did an excellent job with the design and bottom out control. I started with the sag at 35% and have since moved to about 40% and fully open platform on the debonair. It feels much better with this setup. Up front I'm running a Fox 34 140mm with Avalanche damper. All good there and can't really say it has any negative affect on handling as they spec the bike at 130mm.

    One other thing to note is how snappy this bike feels with the newer geometry. Much easier to manual and flick around. Depending on your preference you may or may not like the longer top tube. I do as I prefer longer front, short stays and short stem.

    More to come later.
    Trailbrian, You're a big fella like me so I'm a bit leary of the 40% sag and hitting my pedals a bunch. Have you noticed any problems with pedal strikes?

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    Finally got some dirt time on this rig yesterday. Wow! So impressed with this bike. I really like the feel of the long front/short cs setup. For starters, I built this frame up with a few tweeks right off the bat. The trails I typically frequent are very rocky, technical and give bikes with low BB's lots of pedal strikes. I opted to put a Pike 140 on with a Works 1 degree headset to steepen the HA. The result gave me a 13 5/16" BBH, 68 HA, and a 47 3/8 WB. Just the small change I was looking for in the numbers. I'm very happy with how it behaves. I can't comment on the stock headset 130 fork setup but I do love this new arrangement. For reference I'm coming off a Covert 29 and the Smuggler will be my 6th Transition. I've owned a bunch of other brands but have always been a big fan of Transitions ability to put out a super fun, quality bike.

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    I weigh 210 geared up and ran the bike at 30-35-40% sag for different intervals finally settling on 35. I ran the fork and the rear shock in wide open settings for almost all riding scenarios. Extended climbing was best for me in the middle lever position with a subtle but noticeable increase in peddling efficiency. Lockout positions as you would expect negated the gobs of traction the horst link provides. The rear end feels quite stiff and the frame has a very low and compact weight distribution. I'm liking this bike for so many reasons right now.

    The only thing that might be an issue for some people is the tire clearance in the rear. The width is great and not at all a problem but for those who run an Ardent 2.4 in the rear the height of the tire gets tighter than an 1/8".

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    Thats a virtually new (not stretched out yet) 2.4 Ardent on a WTB i-25 rim. I have subsequently pulled that off and put a 2.25 Smorgasbord on the same rim. That fits great.

    My XL frame (non-stock build) as you see above came in at 31.6 lbs. Not a lightweight by any means but seems solid enough to withstand a LOT of chucking around. Thats what I bought it for, so I very pleased all around.

    Well done Transition. This ones a keeper.

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    Great feedback from both of you. Hmm, very tempting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggooner View Post
    Trailbrian, You're a big fella like me so I'm a bit leary of the 40% sag and hitting my pedals a bunch. Have you noticed any problems with pedal strikes?
    I haven't, but then again I'm running 140mm up front. I've settled at about 38% sag in the rear with the platform lever fully open and it feels dialed.

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    I'm waiting for my frame to come in but here's a quick rundown of my build:

    Lefty SuperMax
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    Enve M50's on CK Rear/Lefty Front
    Enve bar
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    Thompson stem
    XTR Brakes
    XTR drivetrain
    Raceface Next SL crank
    Cane Creek DB Inline (may keep the stock shock for a while first)

    Parts are almost ready to go...I'm doing up some sweet custom Enve and Lefty graphics to match the Smuggler color way. Can. Not. Freakin. Wait.
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    That will be probably lightest Smuggler here. Lefty as a special feature... Only extra fat in hubs, but as they are CK, it doesn't count.

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    Still waiting on a few bits and bobs, and trying to make up my mind for my front wheel, but here's the parts list so far:

    - Large Smuggler frame, real teal
    - Xfusion Trace, 51mm offset, 140mm travel (same A-C as a 130mm Pike)
    - SLX brakes, rear derailleur, Zee shifter
    - XT cassette with 40t OneUp cog and 13t lockring (ditched the 11t instead of the 17t, so gear range is 13-40)
    - Raceface Turbine Cinch crank, 170mm, 30t direct mount ring
    - Raceface SixC 785 bars, Spank Spike 50mm stem, Thomson post
    - Rear wheel: i9/ Flow

    Thinking I'll get my spare CK front hub relaced to another Flow rim or a WTB Frequency, but I haven't quite made up my mind yet. Pumped to get it built though.

    Everyone with their bikes built: MORE PICTURES!
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    Maybe it's not possible/available, but why not just go with a 28t direct mount ring and keep the stock 11-36 cassette? Should be similar gearing, right?

    I'm pretty jealous of all you guys as I'm playing the waiting game for my Scout to arrive at the LBS after the May shipment. Giddy up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vittetoe761 View Post
    Maybe it's not possible/available, but why not just go with a 28t direct mount ring and keep the stock 11-36 cassette? Should be similar gearing, right?

    I'm pretty jealous of all you guys as I'm playing the waiting game for my Scout to arrive at the LBS after the May shipment. Giddy up!
    Yeah, it's definitely possible, but I already had the cassette/cog on hand and happened to score the crank (with a direct mount 30t) at an absurd discount. I figure I'll ride it as-is for awhile and change things up later if necessary.

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    do u think it is possible to be fitted with 150mm pike up front? i am currently on tallboy lt with 150mm pike and thinking to just buy the frame and transfer what i can to the new frame.

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    It's very easy to change the travel on a pike. I would just get the airshaft that fits the bike. The wheelbase is already pretty long and slack. My guess is 150 would be a bit much unless you also have an angleset to throw on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fracaxis View Post
    It's very easy to change the travel on a pike. I would just get the airshaft that fits the bike. The wheelbase is already pretty long and slack. My guess is 150 would be a bit much unless you also have an angleset to throw on there.
    Hmm. I dont have enough experience to tell the difference, in what way will it be too much? Slower steering? Bad climber? ive been on very limited bikes to appreciate the differences

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    Putting a 150 pike on with a straight headset would slack the front out to approximately 66.5 with a wheelbase of about 48.5". Thats loooooong and rather slack.

    Climbing would be a chore. It would be harder to weight the front end so it'll wash out a bit easier. The bike would start to become a bit unbalanced with the travel front/rear. I'm sure it'll be rideable, but not necessarily what one might say is ideal.

    If you go look at my post above (#10) I have opted to change the front end a little to suit my own desires. To each their own though. You could probably try it at 150 if you want. The frame certainly seems capable of handling the extra stress. You could also give the guys at Transition a call. They are super receptive and may have even tried a 150 fork during testing.

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    i actually ride the Pike with 150 in the Covert29 and will change the airshaft to 140 for the smuggler.
    But don't forget: if you use the 150 you can ran more sag, so the total difference will be maybe 5mm and thats not so much.
    What is was thinking of, was to switch to a 160mm DPA, normally riding in the short travel and only using the long travel when its really getting steep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fracaxis View Post
    Putting a 150 pike on with a straight headset would slack the front out to approximately 66.5 with a wheelbase of about 48.5". Thats loooooong and rather slack.

    Climbing would be a chore. It would be harder to weight the front end so it'll wash out a bit easier. The bike would start to become a bit unbalanced with the travel front/rear. I'm sure it'll be rideable, but not necessarily what one might say is ideal.

    If you go look at my post above (#10) I have opted to change the front end a little to suit my own desires. To each their own though. You could probably try it at 150 if you want. The frame certainly seems capable of handling the extra stress. You could also give the guys at Transition a call. They are super receptive and may have even tried a 150 fork during testing.
    Did u get the headset from workcomponents? Theyre currently out of stock for 1 degree headset.

    Ive sent an email to transition regarding the fork setup and hoping a reply soon. So hw it is compared to your covert 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowbike View Post
    i actually ride the Pike with 150 in the Covert29 and will change the airshaft to 140 for the smuggler.
    But don't forget: if you use the 150 you can ran more sag, so the total difference will be maybe 5mm and thats not so much.
    What is was thinking of, was to switch to a 160mm DPA, normally riding in the short travel and only using the long travel when its really getting steep.
    that's a very good perspective! I guess ill be increasing my sag then and see hw it goes! Haha

    Anyway, is the airshaft compatible with all pike models?

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    I did get my headset from Works. I prefer theirs over the Cane Creek angleset. I've had both on different bikes and although my Cane Creek was ok I like the Works better. It just seems more straightforward with less parts to develop creeks later.

    Some one PM'd me about my thoughts on the comparison with the Covert. The Yeti I'm referring to here is a Yeti SB95C with a 150 Pike on the front...

    "The Yeti was a great bike but I felt the 67.5 HA would flop on climbing. The shorter CS on the Smuggler really seam to counteract the length of the bike well. It's still a really long bike but still feels nimble enough for slower speed tight sections. Like any 29er you really need to lean it over hard to get it to corner as well as a 26er. Having a DH background and still riding freeride drops/stunts on my trailbike this thing is way ahead of the Yeti in this regard. Much more solid and capable despite the slightly less travel. I can see keeping this bike for years rather than just a season.

    The Transition Covert 29 was great at anything gravity oriented. Badass descender for sure. It had a Avalanche modified Fox CTD shock that soaked up everything. This and the single pivot rear made it a bit of a pig for climbing. Shorter cockpit had obvious bent towards descending as well.

    I could compare to 26ers but Its a bit apples and oranges.

    Its hard to fault the smuggler. If you like horst link bikes you'll love this one."

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    Do what you like but lowering sag just to lower the front of the bike is problematic. You're changing the spring rate so you'll blow through the travel easier. Compensating with the damper adjustments will just loose trail sensitivity and ultimately traction and handling.

    An air shaft is only like $37. Peanuts in the whole scheme of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fracaxis View Post
    I did get my headset from Works. I prefer theirs over the Cane Creek angleset. I've had both on different bikes and although my Cane Creek was ok I like the Works better. It just seems more straightforward with less parts to develop creeks later.

    Some one PM'd me about my thoughts on the comparison with the Covert. The Yeti I'm referring to here is a Yeti SB95C with a 150 Pike on the front...

    "The Yeti was a great bike but I felt the 67.5 HA would flop on climbing. The shorter CS on the Smuggler really seam to counteract the length of the bike well. It's still a really long bike but still feels nimble enough for slower speed tight sections. Like any 29er you really need to lean it over hard to get it to corner as well as a 26er. Having a DH background and still riding freeride drops/stunts on my trailbike this thing is way ahead of the Yeti in this regard. Much more solid and capable despite the slightly less travel. I can see keeping this bike for years rather than just a season.

    The Transition Covert 29 was great at anything gravity oriented. Badass descender for sure. It had a Avalanche modified Fox CTD shock that soaked up everything. This and the single pivot rear made it a bit of a pig for climbing. Shorter cockpit had obvious bent towards descending as well.

    I could compare to 26ers but Its a bit apples and oranges.

    Its hard to fault the smuggler. If you like horst link bikes you'll love this one."
    thanks for the feedback on your ride so far. Much appreciated, cant wait for mine to arrive and testing it myself. I have read the review by bike magazine the bible bike test and was sold by the review itself.

    I have read that your weight is 210lbs with gears, what is your psi for the shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fracaxis View Post
    Do what you like but lowering sag just to lower the front of the bike is problematic. You're changing the spring rate so you'll blow through the travel easier. Compensating with the damper adjustments will just loose trail sensitivity and ultimately traction and handling.

    An air shaft is only like $37. Peanuts in the whole scheme of things.
    i would agree on blowing the travel easier, would a volume reducing spacer help? Where can i obtain the airshaft and did you reduce the travel by yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imrankz View Post
    thanks for the feedback on your ride so far. Much appreciated, cant wait for mine to arrive and testing it myself. I have read the review by bike magazine the bible bike test and was sold by the review itself.

    I have read that your weight is 210lbs with gears, what is your psi for the shock?
    My shock pump reads 210 for 35% sag, but the calibration between pumps and inflation technique varies greatly. I believe Transition says start with 10psi higher than your body weight, then adjust from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imrankz View Post
    i would agree on blowing the travel easier, would a volume reducing spacer help? Where can i obtain the airshaft and did you reduce the travel by yourself?
    The number of volume spacers are limited by fork travel. Sram has a chart on their Technical documents area. They might help with the ending ramp up but your still starting with the wrong spring rate for your weight if additional sag is used to reduce the initial ride height.

    The technical documents area on SRAM site also has info on how to service lowers and remove/replace air shafts. The Pike has very little bath oil in the lowers and the fork benefits greatly by staying on top of that basic maintenance. Lots of online bike sites, Amazon, and LBS's can get you the shaft you're after. Some of the shafts are used for different wheel sizes and are cross compatible. Sram's documents also have a chart for that with part numbers. I'm sure there's a thread somewhere on this site that talks all about it.

    Yes, I did my own. Its not hard if you are at all inclined to grab a wrench.

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    Update: I re-routed my Gravity Dropper cable through the down tube and then used adhesive cable mounts to bring it up the side of the seat tube. Its completely dialed now. Someone else asked about rear brake hose routing. That goes through the left upper hole on the down tube and then out lower hole with the rear derailleur cable. You can use an old derailleur cable taped to both the brake hose and derailleur cable to route and pull them through the down tube.

    I also just spent 5 days riding in Sedona planned around the Sedona MTB Festival and boy let me tell. This bike handled everything from Hangover to Highline just fine. Anyone who has ridden out there can attest to technical riding and punchy climbing. I just can't get enough of this bike.

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    Smuggler build thread

    Oops, pocket post!

    Love the bikes guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Update: I re-routed my Gravity Dropper cable through the down tube and then used adhesive cable mounts to bring it up the side of the seat tube....
    can you please make some pics of the cablerouting for your dropper? i will use my existing LEV150 on the smuggler and was thinking about the same way of routing like you did.
    thx!

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    Is the satin black painted or anodized?

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    i'm just about to do the unforgivable- order a Smuggler without demoing. imagine. did that once before and got burned. however, the bike seems to address everything about my current 29er i'd like to change and looks killer. questions: what length stem are you guys running? my current 29er and the Smug have nearly identical top tube and theo seat tube dimensions, but the reach on the Smug is almost 2 cms longer. not sure how that's possible, but there it is. i'll be buying the frame and swapping parts over. seems the 50mm stem will prolly work given top tube lengths, but have any of you gone shorter (than previous rides) due to longer reach?

    if this bike delivers on the promise to be more playful and better handling, while being as good to pedal and a bit better going down (full degree slacker) than my Shinobi, it will indeed be - The Holy Grail bike for this guy....

    ps. also pulling over my Lev 150 30.9 post. looks like i'll need a shim. anyone else?

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    I'm loving mine with a 50mm stem. It does have a long TT for sure. The 2cm extra reach is from BB position. The Smug's CS are almost 2cm shorter than your Shinobi. I say just try the 50 first. You can find your sweet spot from there.

    I've run a shim on multiple other bikes without problems. Just get a long one to increase contact like this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    i'm just about to do the unforgivable- order a Smuggler without demoing. imagine. did that once before and got burned. however, the bike seems to address everything about my current 29er i'd like to change and looks killer. questions: what length stem are you guys running? my current 29er and the Smug have nearly identical top tube and theo seat tube dimensions, but the reach on the Smug is almost 2 cms longer. not sure how that's possible, but there it is. i'll be buying the frame and swapping parts over. seems the 50mm stem will prolly work given top tube lengths, but have any of you gone shorter (than previous rides) due to longer reach?

    if this bike delivers on the promise to be more playful and better handling, while being as good to pedal and a bit better going down (full degree slacker) than my Shinobi, it will indeed be - The Holy Grail bike for this guy....

    ps. also pulling over my Lev 150 30.9 post. looks like i'll need a shim. anyone else?
    i wouldn't worry about ordering before demoing. i ordered a bandit 26 a few years ago blind and it definitely never left me wanting for more. super fun bike. now i've got a smuggler that's built, ordered that blind too. i doubt you'll be disappointed.

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    For all of you who own or have ridden the Smuggler, can you comment on whether the internal cable routing is quiet or not? In the Bike magazine Bible of Bike Tests write up, they loved the bike, but made one comment about the internal routing being "rattly." Have you experienced any of that? I like the clean look of internal routing, but also prefer a quiet ride. Thanks.

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    Using thicker zip ties I have not had any issue with rattling. I'm also using heavier duty alligator housing on the der cable.

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    Is anyone using the 45mm Race Face respond stem that comes with the full build? Or any 45mm?

    Is that Race Face a 10 degree rise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Is anyone using the 45mm Race Face respond stem that comes with the full build? Or any 45mm?
    Sorry to derail your question, but this pertains to the included stem. Is it a 35 diameter stem? Transitions site says the bar is 760 x 35mm so I assumed it was, but RF doesn't show the Respond as a 35 diameter stem. For what it's worth i ordered a Scout and planned on running the 45mm Respond stem.

    Thanks

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    I believe it is 35 mm diameter. I noticed the same thing on the RF site. The Respond looks to be a 10 degree rise.

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    Nice! At 6'4 I'll take all the rise I can get.

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    My Lefty SuperMax was ordered today, just waiting on Enve parts and CK parts. Got the frame 2 weeks ago and have been fondling it daily ever since.
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    So just an update. Dealer called me today, they have the complete smuggler medium and in blue there ready to go. I wanted just pieces and he said tell me what ya want I'll get ya a price for whatever pieces ya want off it (top spec one)

    My question now is. CRAP do I want this probably real awesome bike or not. I want frame only cause I had a Niner WFO just built. Sold the frame. And have a set of all mountain American classis wheels. X01 drivetrain. Avid trail 9 brakes. Renthal carbon bars and renthal 50 stem just collecting dust. So I can buy frame. All bearings. Like 130 and dropped post and be Rollin ready to go.

    Yet I have my ol faithful ton of fun love to death stumpjumper evo 26 expert carbon. Sitting there finally ready for the season since I wasted one riding that Niner WFO (not that bud just not what I wanted). She sits there w Enve AM wheels. Chris king hubs. 200/180 rotors on carbon Xo WC brakes. Pike 150 rct3. New Monarch PLUS RC3 debonair shock. New updated dropped post lever. Renthal carbon fatbar lights and renthal 60mm apex stem. I feel like I'm almost going backwards of how fun a bike can be along with being even more capable in our daily xc/am rides. I'm 5'8" dirt bike background and although I love my single speed 29 I just love the 26 for the rest still. Not racin. Not plannin on it. Nor plannin to be a hero. Just riding bikes w buddies and havin fun. Other friends now have same bikes basically. 1 on same as mine just year newer (last 2014 26" left) another on a 29" stumpy evo carbon w carbon fatties. And other on and Enduro 29 who is a strong on it.

    Just talkin out loud. What ya think!

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    She's pretty much finished. Here she is at a bone-dry (!) Swinley Forest, here in the UK.

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    And with my buddy's 650b Canyon Spectral:

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    First ride impressions are very good. It just rumbles through the chop, in that effortless 29er way. Feels like there's more than 115mm at the back with 35% sag, and the Pike is fan-tastic, although I set the sag up carefully and still felt I could have done with a little more air in there; I may yet drop another red air chamber spacer in. The areas I thought it might feel unwieldy - tight woodsy switchbacks - it actually excelled. It does feel as if the way to get the best from it is to wring its neck on every corner, which I didn't do today, but it's gonna be a fun bike to get to know.

    It's running a Pike RCT3 at 130mm, Hope headset, stock Monarch Deb shock, UST Mavic EN821s on XT hubs, Saint crankset with a 32t NW Race Face ring, XT rear der. and 10spd 11-36 cassette, SLX brakes & shifter, Spesh Butcher F and Purg R tyres, Thomson 50mm stem, 780mm Chromag Fubar, DMR V12 pedals, and a placeholder Easton seatpost until I can settle on (and save up for!) a dropper. The saddle is an old Fizik that I don't like much - I will likely get a Spesh Phenom as they suit my narrow ass to a T.

    I still need to get the rear brake hose through the internal routing, which I will need LBS help with.

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    gorgeous rig. cool touch with the silver Thompson stem, never seen one. found out today that mine on order is well further away than i thought. what a drag. dying to get on it.

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    Finally built!

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    Finally got some free time and decent weather to get the smuggler out on the trail. Coming from a Bandit 26, I knew I could expect a fun ride, but these new GiddyUp bikes are night and day from the single pivots. The smug pedals surprisingly well at 35% sag, too.

    The Xfusion Trace is currently set at 140mm, and it has the same A-C as a 130mm Pike. I recently picked up a Pike though, so will have to rebuild with the 130mm air shaft and do a comparison.

    Someone above asked about the internal cable routing being rattle-y. I did notice a little rattle, so, minor annoyance, but nothing to really get you down in the grand scheme of things.

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    some small changes since the photo was made:
    ANVL-Saddle
    Ardent Race rear
    a Lev Integra is on the way.

    Weight: 13.1 kg

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    ready to rumble

    some small changes since the photo was made:
    ANVL-Saddle
    Ardent Race rear
    a Lev Integra is on the way.

    Weight: 13.1 kg
    Awesome bike, the Real Teals are sold out (at least in the UK) now.

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    Anxiously awaiting DHL to show up with my frame. Should be building it up later today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowbike View Post
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    some small changes since the photo was made:
    ANVL-Saddle
    Ardent Race rear
    a Lev Integra is on the way.

    Weight: 13.1 kg
    wow, that's pretty light. is that as shown, pedals and all? size medium i presume. extra light rear tire, whats front tire? what wheelset?

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    the weight is cpl. with everything, frame is M
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    Boom

    Missing some parts like brakes and stem but I'm hoping to have it built up by next weekend:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrjm View Post
    Missing some parts like brakes and stem but I'm hoping to have it built up by next weekend:

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    Boom indeed. That is a serious build cyrjm. The Lefty looks amazing with the black frame. I'll be very interested to hear what you make of the CCDB Inline on there as well.

    I'm going to try get some better pics of mine up on here in the next few days.

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    Twins

    Wicked looking lefty mate. Really looking forward to seeing it come alive

    Wow what a epic few days of Smuggler building.

    Before i go any further i really have to give a HUGE Thank You to Allen @ DropnZone.
    Bro your a Legend thanks for all your help in getting the frames over to us.

    So the spec of the two bikes are AKA The Twins

    My Bike

    140mm Pike
    Renthal Fatbar Lite Carbon
    Roval Traverse Fattie Carbon (30 mm internal)
    A mix of XX1 & X01
    Guide rsc Brakes
    ks lev integra (125mm)
    Command Post SRL lever
    Maxxis HR2 front tire (29x2.3)

    2015 Nobby Nick Rear Tire (29x2.35) There is a issue with this tire size
    The tire rubs. The issue is with its hight. Under load it JUST catches the seat stay brace They are brand new tires so after a while it should stop rubbing. Kinda sucks though.


    Bike 2

    140mm Pike,
    Renthal Fatbar Lite Carbon
    Shimano Xt group set
    Light-Bicycle Carbon Wheels (30 mm internal)
    Can't remember what tires but they are 29x2.3
    (No rubbing issues)

    Apart from the tire clearance issue on bike 1 the ride overall is amazing. I still need to setup the suspension settings etc, but wow it just floats over everything. Climbing is great (for a FS), but as i said its not 100% setup yet so i am sure it will get better and better as i dial my bike suspension in.
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    nice bikes. why did you buy two?? solution for the tire clearance- semi round file and a few minutes of stroking. problem solved!!

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    where is everyone getting these bikes from? they seem to be unobtainable. i might get my blue frame in........ JUNE!!

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    The 2nd frame belongs to a good friend of mine. We both really liked the spec of the smuggler and decided hell why not just get them both at the same time lol.
    I don't really wanna mod the frame, I will just wait till the tire wears out a bit and then when it comes to replacing it I will just buy a 2.25 version of the Nobby Nick

    We were very very luck when we pre ordered the frames from drop n zone. Just just happened to get the last two frames in the latest shipment. Still had to wait a few months though.
    Stick with it mate. It's really is worth it. Epic bike.

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    Loving my Smuggler, here it is in its natural habitat (slightly weird go pro shots but you all know what one looks like)

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    Used a lot of second hand parts from my old ASR5, weight in XL is 14.3 kg/31.5 lbs, could probably shave some weight off things like bars, cranks once I have the spare cash.
    XL frame
    MRP Stage forks @140mm ( taking advantage of them being shorter than Pikes of same travel)
    Hope headset
    Race Face Chester stem
    Renthal Fatbar
    ESI grips
    XT brakes
    SLX shifter & mech
    Works Components 40t expander & Superstar IO 30 tooth ring
    WTB KOM i25 rims on DT 350 hubs
    Spesh Butcher & Purg Control tyres
    Reverb Stealth 150mm
    Charge Spoon saddle
    Exotic cycles flat pedals

    At just under 6'5" I feel like this is the first bike to ever fit me properly, really enjoying riding it. Oh and it's the best looking XL 29er bike I've ever seen, no resemblance to a farm gate at all!

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    Bermuda what are the weights of your two builds?

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    when you get the frame in the box, what is included? it's looking like there is a seat post clamp that comes with it? i figured it would just be the frame and shock, nothing else.

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    Next to the frame and shock a seatpost QR clamp and a X12 rear axle are included.

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    What kinds of rear tire/rim combos are you guys running, and how much mud clearance do you have? I've got a 2.2 WTB Bronson on an OG Flow, with a liiiiiittle bit of wiggle room, but by no means a ton.

    Curious to see if there are other, knobbier options.

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    Smuggler build thread

    I'm running 2.3 Maxxis DHR2's with no problem on wtb i25 rims.

    Ardent 2.4 fits in there but was awfully close to that seatstay brace.

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    Maxxis Ikon 2.35" on American Classic All Mountain rim (23mm internal width) fits with maybe 3 mm of mud clearance.

    Old version Nobby Nic 2.35" fits also but is unrideable because all the mud, small rocks etc. the tire picks from the ground will hit the seatstay bridge.

    Good to hear that 2.3" DHR2 fits!

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    Spesh Purgatory 2.3 on a WTB KOM i25 fits but with little clearance, about 2-3mm. I hear lots of stones getting dragged through the gap and pinging out. It's a bit of a shame because the lateral clearance is pretty good on these frames.

    Got a WTB Vigilante coming to try on the rear, suspect it isn't going to fit but will report back.

    I was wondering if a separate thread for which tyres can/can't fit the Smuggler would be a good idea but perhaps there are enough already.

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    I'd love to hear more from Bandit 26 owners, I love mine but the shear speed of my rigid 29er has my purchasing finger twitching. Still, requiring a large in a lairy colour in the UK it might be quite some time before that finger can be exercised! :-)

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    Sorry been a little to busy riding the amazing bike to remember to check the forum lol. SBD sorry I don't know the weight but once I do know I will post it. I would guess around the 26lbs ish mark. But will confirm soon.

    Tire clearance wise 2015 Nobby Nicks 29x2.35 on roval fatties (30mm internal) rub on the seat stay brace. And do not fit I had zero clearance (hight not width) in the end I changed the rear tire to HR2 (29x2.30) I have about 3 mm clearance now. Seems a poor design to me.

    Plus side I love love this bike

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    Need updates of the Lefty build cyrjm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermuda_import View Post
    Sorry been a little to busy riding the amazing bike to remember to check the forum lol. SBD sorry I don't know the weight but once I do know I will post it. I would guess around the 26lbs ish mark. But will confirm soon.

    Tire clearance wise 2015 Nobby Nicks 29x2.35 on roval fatties (30mm internal) rub on the seat stay brace. And do not fit I had zero clearance (hight not width) in the end I changed the rear tire to HR2 (29x2.30) I have about 3 mm clearance now. Seems a poor design to me.

    Plus side I love love this bike
    26lbs is good going! I'm at 31.5 lbs, can't see me losing more than about 1lb very easily.

    Yeah it is a shame about the seat stay bridge. I wonder if a couple of mm could be removed from it without weakening it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave_h34 View Post
    I'd love to hear more from Bandit 26 owners, I love mine but the shear speed of my rigid 29er has my purchasing finger twitching. Still, requiring a large in a lairy colour in the UK it might be quite some time before that finger can be exercised! :-)
    I own both...whatcha wanna know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasevr4 View Post
    Need updates of the Lefty build cyrjm!
    Waiting on my Enve stem...saying June now. Also waiting on some custom Enve stickers.
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    WTB Vigilante update - this tyre does rub the seatstay bridge :/ The wheel still spins relatively freely, but I'm not sure which will wear down quicker, the frame or the tyre!

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    big blue is finally in the house. the boys at the LBS waited for me so i could unbox it myself just for kicks. pretty cool. just a gorgeous frame. it will get my xfusion trace unicrown fork at 140, slx brakes, xtr rear shifter, slx rear der with one up 42t and 16t with radr cage, raceface cinch 175 crankset and 28t narrowwide ring. lev 150 will be the post. havoc carbon bar and NSB overlord stem. xl frame is 7lbs 12oz with shock. this better be a stiff as hell frame, she's heavy! with my lightweight nancy carbonium rims i'm going to guess a 31 pound complete build with pedals. LBS is really busy right now, i sure hope they can get her done by the weekend i'm frothing at the mouth to get on it! pictures to follow............

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    Smuggler build thread-dscn0147.jpgSmuggler build thread-dscn0151.jpgSmuggler build thread-dscn0152.jpgSmuggler build thread-dscn0153.jpgwell, here she is. stunning bike. only one ride in but i'm smitten so far. this bike is going to see a lot of hard BC riding and i think it is up to the task and then some. ks lev at full extension on this xl frame is perfect even with a cm under min insert line. xfusion trace left at 140 for a measured HA of 67 degrees. perfect. any questions just ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    ... ks lev at full extension on this xl frame is perfect even with a cm under min insert line. ..
    nice one, but the cabe routing of the LEV is final?
    maybe you make it like me, before i caught a Lev Integra?
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    Size large frame
    Fox 36 RC2 lowered to 130mm
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    MRP AMg chainguide
    XTR brakes 160/180
    Hope hubs with WTB Frequency i23, DT Comp spokes
    Maxxis Minion DHF 2.3 tires
    Thomson Dropper
    WTB Rocket V saddle
    Chris King headset
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowbike View Post
    nice one, but the cabe routing of the LEV is final?
    maybe you make it like me, before i caught a Lev Integra?
    i'm not a fan of the internal routing. and the lev can quickly be moved to my other bike, so it works great like this. wouldn't mind finding some adhesive cable guides at some point, otherwise a bit of tape works just fine.

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    Smuggler build thread

    Reading all this is creating much desire. I have 26 in. Transitions and fell for new breed 29r via my Kona Honzo. I'd love what the Honzo does but with some rear suspension and a lightweight.

    What size for someone 5'10" and shrinking (late 50s age)??? My v 1.5 Covert, Bank and Honzo are medium. A dealer suggested large but that is longer top tube than my medium Honzo. There are no stocking dealers near me. I've got longer legs than torso.

    I can't imagine giving up my hard tail (ride from home) but this looks like a serious contender for big rides (long hours, rough stuff, 15-30+ miles) and the 1 build is probably lighter than my stock Honzo.

    Thank you for any suggestions.
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    lol, Gocycle.de is listing the 2016 TR-Modells
    smuggler comes in orange and black

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    What are the pedals there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Just a quick update. I've had two rides so far on my local loops that I ride on a regular basis. To say we have rock and technical riding is sorta of an understatement. Limestone and marbles are everywhere. The Smuggler eats it up.

    I immediately noticed that I had increased traction climbing tech and braking on the descents so I'm very happy with the horst link design. One thing I thought would be negative on this bike is the lack of rear suspension travel. I'm a big rider at 240lbs geared up and had no problem with harsh bottoms out. Very composed.

    Coming from a Covert I thought it would be an issue but at least for me its not. Yes its not a 5-6" bike however I think Transition did an excellent job with the design and bottom out control. I started with the sag at 35% and have since moved to about 40% and fully open platform on the debonair. It feels much better with this setup. Up front I'm running a Fox 34 140mm with Avalanche damper. All good there and can't really say it has any negative affect on handling as they spec the bike at 130mm.

    One other thing to note is how snappy this bike feels with the newer geometry. Much easier to manual and flick around. Depending on your preference you may or may not like the longer top tube. I do as I prefer longer front, short stays and short stem.

    More to come later.
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    Smuggler Build

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    My Smuggler Build

    • 2015 Transition Smuggler - Large

    • Rear Shock: Rock Shox Monarch RT3 Debonair

    • Fork: Fox 34 Talas 29 140 RLC Fit Fork with PUSH Factory Fork System

    • Headset: Chris King Inset 2

    • Handlebar: Race Face Next Carbon 35mm with 10 mm rise

    • Stem: Race Face Turbine 35 60mm

    • Grips: Lizard Skins North Shore

    • Brakes: Shimano XTR Race with Ice-Tech 180mm Rotors

    • Shifters: Shimano XT

    • Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT with One Up Radr Cage & KCNC Ultra 11 Tooth Derailleur Pulley

    • Cranks: Race Face Turbine - Cinch with Race Face Crank Boots

    • Chainring: Race Face Direct Mount N/W 32t

    • Bottom Bracket: Race Face Turbine

    • Chain: KMC X11SL DLC 11 Speed Black/Blue

    • Cassette: Shimano XT M771 with One Up 42t Sprocket

    • Pedals: Race Face Atlas

    • Wheels: Easton Haven Carbon

    • Front Tire: Maxxis Minion DHF EXO 2.5

    • Rear Tire: Maxxis Ardent 2.4

    • Saddle: Chromag Moon

    • Seatpost: RockShox Reverb Stealth 150mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbd View Post
    Beautiful! Weight?

    28.5 lbs according to my rough bathroom scale.

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    With big giant tires thats pretty dang impressive.

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    Very nice!!!
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    Size small frame - 27.25lbs

    This bike is amazing. I know others have gone on about how good it is but it's true! If you are considering this bike, I highly recommend it!
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    What stem length are people running on the size M frame?

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    Yeah Guv! #freebrady
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    Would you mind sharing more pictures of the size Small. I'm 5 7 and looking to buy this bike in size small

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damitletsride! View Post
    What stem length are people running on the size M frame?

    Cheers.
    45mm on mine and it's perfect for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by polo7 View Post
    Would you mind sharing more pictures of the size Small. I'm 5 7 and looking to buy this bike in size small
    I'm 5'7" and ride a medium (30" inseam) and it's perfect.
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    I'm 5'6" and a little bit and my small fits me like a glove

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    5'10" and I love my L-sized frame

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