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    Riders around 6'3"....what size have you pre-ordered or contemplated? I'm thinking XL. Anyone else between sizes? Most other bikes it's easy to size up for the longer reach but these bikes are long already. Hmmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    Riders around 6'3"....what size have you pre-ordered or contemplated? I'm thinking XL. Anyone else between sizes? Most other bikes it's easy to size up for the longer reach but these bikes are long already. Hmmm....
    Another 6'3" guy-- Not pre-ordered, but if I could convince the wife to let me pick up one more bike, I'm also positive it would be an XL based off the geo numbers-- according to Transition's fit guide, we'd fit in XL range, where as 'most' other fit guides seem to have the 6'3" on the half and half between L and XLs.

    My 2 cents...

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    T Doug, thanks for the great review.

    Any news on the Evil Following?

    Smugglers got the best geometry for a 29er I've seen so far, except maybe for the Mondraker Crafty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    T Doug, thanks for the great review.

    Any news on the Evil Following?

    Smugglers got the best geometry for a 29er I've seen so far, except maybe for the Mondraker Crafty.
    More info due early next month from what I understand.

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    clearance for 27.5+ tires?

    Yo Transition,

    Any idea if the current crop of "27.5+ tires" (WTB's 27.5 x 2.8" Trailblazer, Panaracer's 27.5 x 3.0" Fat B Nimble, or Vee's 27.5 x 3.25" Trax Fatty) will fit in the Smuggler's swingarm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slo_rider View Post
    Yo Transition,

    Any idea if the current crop of "27.5+ tires" (WTB's 27.5 x 2.8" Trailblazer, Panaracer's 27.5 x 3.0" Fat B Nimble, or Vee's 27.5 x 3.25" Trax Fatty) will fit in the Smuggler's swingarm?
    Based no our early indications, yes... most likely the WTB option will fit in the Smuggler. Limitations in the tire clearance are primarily radial (diameter), not lateral (width). At least the WTB tire is not actually all that much wider, and will most likely work. I can't speak to the 3.0 or 3.25 options though.

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    This bike is close to obtaining Unicorn status! Can't wait for mine to come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Based no our early indications, yes... most likely the WTB option will fit in the Smuggler. Limitations in the tire clearance are primarily radial (diameter), not lateral (width). At least the WTB tire is not actually all that much wider, and will most likely work. I can't speak to the 3.0 or 3.25 options though.
    Thanks for the info!

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    Same here, I pre-ordered the complete 2 XL in Real Teal color last week. I was expecting to get it in late Jan - early Feb but now the rep told me that they are expecting the bikes to hit US early March(!!) and it will then take another 2-4 weeks to get the bike to Europe..

    Probably I was just late with my order and that's why will get the bike so late.

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    Smuggler

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    This bike is close to obtaining Unicorn status! Can't wait for mine to come in.
    Thought you got a Ripley?

    Smuggler sounds more fun IMO anyway!

    Edit - May you should just buy a banner ad with your current bike status so we can all keep up.

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    I did have a Ripley for about 3 weeks. Great bike. Still had the Smuggler on order so it had to go to make room. Currently bikeless and it's killing me!

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    Good idea on the banner ad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I did have a Ripley for about 3 weeks.
    Hahaha... man you are something else!

    Looking forward to some Smuggler ride reports. I am 100% happy with my Phantom (especially since I picked up a CCDBi) but the Smuggler looks like a really fun bike. I loved my Bandit 29.

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    I've been thinking DB Coil...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Based no our early indications, yes... most likely the WTB option will fit in the Smuggler. Limitations in the tire clearance are primarily radial (diameter), not lateral (width). At least the WTB tire is not actually all that much wider, and will most likely work. I can't speak to the 3.0 or 3.25 options though.
    sorry for quoting from another thread, but interesting reading over here: it sounds like WTB's 27.5 x 2.8" Trailblazer diameter is a bit smaller than a 2.4" 29er tire (my 2.4" Ardents have approx 743mm diameter mounted on WTB i23 rims). it also sounds like they need to be mounted on a wide rim (ie 45mm) in order to get them at or close to their 2.8" nominal width...

    anyway, ones' bottom bracket would drop by about 0.3" if switching from a 2.4" Ardent, if Trailblazers are 727mm diameter (and BB would drop by over 0.6" if Trailblazers are only 710mm in diameter):

    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    If WTB Trailblazers are 727mm in diameter as reported...
    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj View Post
    They're not, though. Trailblazers are about 710mm in diameter.

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    Smuggler

    Just post this in the Banshee forum as I've just come across it:

    http://www.descent-world.co.uk/2014/...nshee-phantom/

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    So after putting in a speculative pre-order request a few weeks back, I now have an XL Smuggler frame in teal blue on its way to the store, to be fitted with a headset & 140mm Pike. OH YEAH. Should be with me in the next 3-4 days.

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    Smuggler

    I've just seen a Scout in the flesh and the quality is top notch, I'm sure your Smuggler will be the same!

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    I'm sure it will be! I tried ordering a Bandit 29 back in 2012, but they were so popular they were all pre-sold before they hit the shops here in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slo_rider View Post
    sorry for quoting from another thread, but interesting reading over here: it sounds like WTB's 27.5 x 2.8" Trailblazer diameter is a bit smaller than a 2.4" 29er tire (my 2.4" Ardents have approx 743mm diameter mounted on WTB i23 rims). it also sounds like they need to be mounted on a wide rim (ie 45mm) in order to get them at or close to their 2.8" nominal width...

    anyway, ones' bottom bracket would drop by about 0.3" if switching from a 2.4" Ardent, if Trailblazers are 727mm diameter (and BB would drop by over 0.6" if Trailblazers are only 710mm in diameter):
    SnapWidget | Kevin playing around with 27.5 plus 2.8" tires on his Smuggler.

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    Well, here she is:

    Smuggler-img_1517.jpg

    I'm pleased with the colour; the teal really pops. Crappy phone pics don't do it justice.
    I have a 140 Pike ready to plug in, so the next thing will be to choose some good stiff wheels. I've got a few options in mind. The rest of the build will be sensible (for now) - 1x10, SLX brakes etc.

    Can't wait to get it built, and get out in the mud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz View Post
    Well, here she is:

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    I'm pleased with the colour; the teal really pops. Crappy phone pics don't do it justice.
    I have a 140 Pike ready to plug in, so the next thing will be to choose some good stiff wheels. I've got a few options in mind. The rest of the build will be sensible (for now) - 1x10, SLX brakes etc.

    Can't wait to get it built, and get out in the mud!
    Looks great! Can you weigh that bad boy and post actual weight / frame size before you build it up? Thanks!

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    Size is XL. Comes in at 3.71kg on a kitchen scale, but that's with the Hope headset, and a good amount of cable outer looped through the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz View Post
    Size is XL. Comes in at 3.71kg on a kitchen scale, but that's with the Hope headset, and a good amount of cable outer looped through the frame.
    Thanks for the info!

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    Franz, where are you from?

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    South East UK.
    I think we got lucky with shipping dates

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    Haha yeah I'd say so! Or something like that...

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    Franz, looks nice. Where are you riding in the South East? I'll keep an eye out for it.
    How tall are you and what length stem are you planning on running?

    Cheers

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    Hey loamranger,
    I'm 6'4", going to start off with a 50mm stem & see how that feels. Might go shorter if there's room.

    My local woods are Epping Forest, with a few trips to Swinley & Surrey Hills. Whereabouts are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz View Post
    Hey loamranger,
    I'm 6'4", going to start off with a 50mm stem & see how that feels. Might go shorter if there's room.

    My local woods are Epping Forest, with a few trips to Swinley & Surrey Hills. Whereabouts are you?
    I'm in London and Forest of Dean. I ride Swinley and Surrey Hills sometimes. I'll look out for you. Enjoy the new ride and give us a review when you have time.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz View Post
    Size is XL. Comes in at 3.71kg on a kitchen scale, but that's with the Hope headset, and a good amount of cable outer looped through the frame.
    Have you built this up yet? Curious to see how it looks and how much it weighs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asin View Post
    Have you built this up yet? Curious to see how it looks and how much it weighs.
    Hi asin, no not yet. Been busy with work & moving house! Wheels (Mavic EN821 on XT M788 w. DT Swiss Comp spokes) are ordered, and I've got some bits of finishing kit. I'm hoping to buy a lightly-used complete 1x10 drivetrain from a buddy. After that it's just brakes and tyres.
    I'll definitely post pics & info when she's finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz View Post
    Well, here she is:

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    I'm pleased with the colour; the teal really pops. Crappy phone pics don't do it justice.
    I have a 140 Pike ready to plug in, so the next thing will be to choose some good stiff wheels. I've got a few options in mind. The rest of the build will be sensible (for now) - 1x10, SLX brakes etc.

    Can't wait to get it built, and get out in the mud!
    Hey. Beyond pumped for you. I'm considering this bike myself in a medium over a new stumpy evo 29. My question is will a 140 fork your putting on mess anything up? Did transition say a range is ok? I'm all for more squish and to up the BB height for pedal strikes. Just want to know your motive I guess. I hope to get mine soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moroney167 View Post
    Hey. Beyond pumped for you. I'm considering this bike myself in a medium over a new stumpy evo 29. My question is will a 140 fork your putting on mess anything up? Did transition say a range is ok? I'm all for more squish and to up the BB height for pedal strikes. Just want to know your motive I guess. I hope to get mine soon
    Hey Moroney167
    I can't answer that fully 'cos I haven't built it yet! I'm only going with the 140 up front as it's what I have available. I'm pretty sure Transition say it is absolutely fine.
    I'm thinking the only slight problem might be making the HA a little slacker than it should be - not an issue for many I'm sure, but I ride a lot of tight woodsy trails. Lifting the BB a few mm is the least of my worries. I can always get the fork dropped to 130mm further down the line - TF Tuned here in the UK will do it for £60.

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    Hey everyone,

    i just ordered a smuggler frame in xl but i am still concerned if its the right size for me. I am about 6,7 feet and tend to ride small frames because of their agility and my bmx/dirt background. I just like a playful riding style, throw the bike around and stuff. My last frame was an on one codeine wich had very small reach (427mm). So i hope i did the right decision and the smuggler xl will be still a playful fun bike and not a "high speed tank". Any thoughts?

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    6 feet 7 inches?

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    Yes, 202cm!

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    About to pull the trigger on a XL, but wanted to get some ride reports on aggressive terrain. How has the Smuggler handled on jumps and drops? Been seeing Luke Strobel rip the Evil on some huge hits, wondering if the Smuggler is built to do the same. Obviously Luke is a beast and I ain't no Luke, so thoughts on 3-5' drops to tranny and high speed jumps?

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    Just ordered one in satin black. Can't wait to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckma View Post
    Hey everyone,

    i just ordered a smuggler frame in xl but i am still concerned if its the right size for me. I am about 6,7 feet and tend to ride small frames because of their agility and my bmx/dirt background. I just like a playful riding style, throw the bike around and stuff. My last frame was an on one codeine wich had very small reach (427mm). So i hope i did the right decision and the smuggler xl will be still a playful fun bike and not a "high speed tank". Any thoughts?
    Definately XL and run a short stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckma View Post
    Yes, 202cm!
    Even XL Smuggler may not be long enough to be able to run a 40mm or shorter stem. What do you normally run? The 29er with the longest reach would be a Mondraker Crafty in XL. But they are all sold out for 2015 unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Even XL Smuggler may not be long enough to be able to run a 40mm or shorter stem. What do you normally run? The 29er with the longest reach would be a Mondraker Crafty in XL. But they are all sold out for 2015 unfortunately.
    I usually run a 50mm stem. Today i`ve had the chance to hop on a scout size L (with 50 mm stem) and now i definitely think that i need a XL smuggler. It may sound weird but the L Scout felt shorter than the codeine despite it has 3cm more reach. I also thought about a banshee phantom/prime but the smuggler just seems to be the perfect mix/match for a 29er shred machine. The mondraker may be an option but imho it is one of the most ugly frames out there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckma View Post
    Hey everyone,

    i just ordered a smuggler frame in xl but i am still concerned if its the right size for me. I am about 6,7 feet and tend to ride small frames because of their agility and my bmx/dirt background. I just like a playful riding style, throw the bike around and stuff. My last frame was an on one codeine wich had very small reach (427mm). So i hope i did the right decision and the smuggler xl will be still a playful fun bike and not a "high speed tank". Any thoughts?
    I'm 6'6" with a 35" inseam and the seat tube numbers on the Smuggler are really short. My 150mm KS Lev wouldn't be long enough to get me to full leg extension. However, the LEV's min insertion line is way up the post. The 150mm Reverb Stealth has 3cm of additional usable length compared to the LEV and would do it.

    I would measure up your current ride, see how much leeway you have and compare it to the Smuggler seat tube length.

    Also, the Smuggler has a very short head tube so you'll almost certainly be running a bunch of stem spacers or a higher rise bar. I don't understand why XLs need such a short head tube.

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    are you sure about the seat tube being too short? my 150 lev is currently on my norco range and sits about 3cms or so above the min insert line for max comfort seat height when extended. i'm 6'5" with nearly 37 inch inseam. the frame specs for seat tube lengths on each bike is 495mm for the smuggler and 510 for the range. unless they measure differently, that means my Lev is going to work fine on the Smug xl. close to min insertion line, but that's fine. frankly, even if it was about 10mm under it i would probably run it, but i should be well within the range.

    and with that settled, i pulled the pin. bike is now on order!

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    My vecnum moveloc has 200 mm adjustment travel, so i am sure the seattube length will fit with me. I think a comparatively short headtube on larger frames is something that is neccesary to keep the joint of toptube/downtube, respectively the frame strong and stiff. I think that is rather a problem with 26" / 650b frames where you generally have a lower stack than with 29ers.

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    I'm 6'4" w/ 34" inseam. I have a XL Smuggler with a 125 Lev DX maxed out at the min. insertion line. It just makes it for full leg extension. My 6'5" buddy said he'd want just a hair more.

    As far as HT stack, I'm running 1cm spacers under a zero rise 50mm stem and a RF SIXC bar(can't remember the rise). I do have the fork at 140 though and tend to like a pretty low bar. Generally I use less spacers under my stems than most people my height.

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    Out with the pyga and in with a real bike ;-p

    -mannen weten waarom-

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    are you sure about the seat tube being too short? my 150 lev is currently on my norco range and sits about 3cms or so above the min insert line for max comfort seat height when extended. i'm 6'5" with nearly 37 inch inseam. the frame specs for seat tube lengths on each bike is 495mm for the smuggler and 510 for the range. unless they measure differently, that means my Lev is going to work fine on the Smug xl. close to min insertion line, but that's fine. frankly, even if it was about 10mm under it i would probably run it, but i should be well within the range.

    and with that settled, i pulled the pin. bike is now on order!
    Here's my math:
    I have an Enduro 29 XL. It has a 520mm seat tube. I run my LEV right at the min insertion line.
    The XL Smug has a 495mm seat tube (that is a 2.5cm difference!). If I run my LEV at the same level it wouldn't get me there. Luckily the Reverb is 3cm longer, which should be enough.
    The newer Ranges are 510 so if you have 3cm of post to spare then you should be fine.

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    @bettes the pyga is not a bad bike but the smuggler will be better (and I just love my Rapture)

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    Did you order a large or a medium? So I can stalk you for a test sit! Where did you order it? Sis.nl?

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