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    Scout or Patrol - the big decision. Who's riden both?

    I just can't decide. Spent some time on a scout and loved it but after reading reviews of how flickable, how much a good climber, corner busting thing the patrol is im wondering if I should just go with it.

    Unfortunately it will be my only bike for some time so it has to handle rooty short, rocky tight small trails in my local woods to enduro racing a few.times this year and visits to trail centres. Im not planning on venturing into DH by the way.

    Can anyone who has riden both comment. Is the scout going to handle the rough stuff enough? Im not going to be competing for any podiums by the way

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    I have not ridden either, but I have a scout on order, and I race a lot of super d and enduro events as well. I will tell you why I decided on the scout. For me and most of my riding, I am in tight woods like 90% of the time. Having a flickable bike with short chainstays and a low bb is really important for how I ride. My weekday rides are in the woods with steep short rolling hills on technical trails and my weekend rides are in the mountains in Pisgah Forest. So, in my day to ride riding, the scout seemed like a way better fit for me. Then, I thought about the racing aspect. For where I live and what I race, almost all the Super D and Enduro races I do, are in tight woods with a lot of turns. The courses I race are more suited to a faster quicker shorter travel bike than a long travel big hitter. If I was racing World Cup Enduro events that would be different, but the scout just seems like a perfect fit for what ride and race. Also, in the past, I have set some of my fastest times on rough trails on bikes like my old Yeti ASR 5, which was a 26 inched 5 inch bike with stiff unforgiving suspension. IMO, the scout has perfect geometry and a solid suspension platform for hauling azz on tight rough trails. I can't wait to get it and see for myself.
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    Thanks Jeremy, sounds similar to me.

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    I ordered the scout for the exact reasons Jeremy said. I probably read the same articles on the Patrol that you did that raved about how fun, flickable and how amazing it is in the corners, if the Patrol does that one can only imagine how much more flickable and even better turning the Scout will be with less travel, shorter stays and lower bb.

    From what I read in the pinkbike article the Scout will be able to handle and excel in pretty much any terrain except maybe the roughest dh courses I'd say unless your local trails and everyday riding is in the roughest steepest nar or you love big hits and jumps then the Scout is the right choice.

    That was my thinking anyway and reason I'm going from a 2014 covert to the scout. 160mm slack bikes feel a bit much now for everyday trail riding.

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    You're right. Mind has been made up. Black scout it is.

    ..or should I go Limeade

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    Lol. The new limeade scouts are in my Lbs. They do look pretty sweet.

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    I'm keen to hear how you guys find the Scout with it's short travel. I'm on a Bandit 275, and I've enjoyed Transitions "bottomless" feel on their whole range over the years. Is the Scout long enough travel for gnar?

    I'm up in Whistler and the Bandit was always "pushing it", but I have preferred to ride a shorter travel bike aggressively rather than descend on a couch. My concern is the Scout will be a little too short for these parts. Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasevr4 View Post
    I'm keen to hear how you guys find the Scout with it's short travel. I'm on a Bandit 275, and I've enjoyed Transitions "bottomless" feel on their whole range over the years. Is the Scout long enough travel for gnar?

    I'm up in Whistler and the Bandit was always "pushing it", but I have preferred to ride a shorter travel bike aggressively rather than descend on a couch. My concern is the Scout will be a little too short for these parts. Am I wrong?
    My Scout shows up in a couple weeks so I'll make sure to check back in. I'm in Cumberland on Vancouver Island and am fairly familiar with the trails in Whistler and surrounding area so I have an idea of what your riding. However if your riding Whistler trails on a bandit I can only imagine the Scout would be Equally as good or better with the new platform.

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    I have a 150 revelation fork which im going to stick on with lots of sag. Rear suspension feels to soaks up a lot more than is actually there according to the reviews.

    As talked about above, if your looking for a bike to handle EWS Top of the world type trails then go for the patrol, Pinkbike review says some of the trails at whistler would not be a problem (A line etc)

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    All I know is at interbike I had Kevin tell me "buy a scout!!! I know you loved the bottlerocket and the scout is a new and improved version." Then I had Sam say "The patrol is the bike you'll never want to give up. I love it so much. Bottomless and progressive. Buy the Patrol!!" I ended up with a patrol because I'm 6'1, 220 with gear and I felt like I may go through the travel on the scout

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmpearson View Post
    All I know is at interbike I had Kevin tell me "buy a scout!!! I know you loved the bottlerocket and the scout is a new and improved version." Then I had Sam say "The patrol is the bike you'll never want to give up. I love it so much. Bottomless and progressive. Buy the Patrol!!" I ended up with a patrol because I'm 6'1, 220 with gear and I felt like I may go through the travel on the scout
    Lol. That's funny, I really don't think there's a bad choice to be made. My Scout frame just showed up yesterday. Just gotta get the internals to drop my pike from 160 - 140. Can't wait to take that limeade hot rod out for a rip

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    I have the Patrol and I am amazed how well it climbs. Then downhill it is a silent ripper. I was going for the Scout then changed my mind and am glad I did.

    Jumping off things and no worries about hard bottom outs and still have a very capable bike that climbs so good. I have cleaned climbs on the first try that are hard on my Tallboy.

    But the Scout will probably be the same maybe better, I just like the fact there is more suspension for a lift day at Whistler. More versatile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik_Yerbouti View Post
    Lol. That's funny, I really don't think there's a bad choice to be made. My Scout frame just showed up yesterday. Just gotta get the internals to drop my pike from 160 - 140. Can't wait to take that limeade hot rod out for a rip
    I think I saw your frame at DCC, looks good. The Scouts they have in the shop look great. Excellent choice for Cumberland.
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    Scout or Patrol - the big decision. Who's riden both?-11042667_608909512586714_472521039396268777_n.jpg

    we had our first ride on the Scout and Patrol 2 weeks ago.

    First thing i note, Scout is amazing climber. I can see my buddy just pull away so easily even on some technical climb. He never been a known climber on his previous bikes, previously riding M6. As for the patrol, it still climb pretty well for long travel bike. Much much better than my previous El Guapo but need effort catching the scout.

    On the descent, we tried on moderately easy trail. both bikes are stable and loves the speed going down fast. Need more ride to tell more. SO far it has been great. I need some getting use to the long front geometry, push forward and commit more. Its easy to go fast on descent.

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    Cool, sounds like the Scout is still the winner.

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    I had a Scout demo bike for a few days and fell in love. I normally ride a Stumpjumper Evo with a 160mm Pike, and I was worried the Scout would be a little short on travel. I was wrong! If I hadn't known it was only 125mm in the back, I would have guessed at least 140mm. It has a bottomless feel while still feeling very efficient while pedalling (for horst link anyway).
    For me the geo is spot on and feels like what the 650b Stumpjumper should have been. I would have ordered one on the spot if a carbon version was available.
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    Posts like these ^^ get me real excited to get on my scout. Few more days

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    My LBS did say a carbon version was in the works and I really hope that's the case. My only complaint with the aluminum frame is the weight, but it is a rock solid train bike not a flexy XC bike. The stiffness of the frame is amazing and tossing it around my tight twisty local trails was a ton of fun. It is really agile and responsive and didn't feel like a 30lb bike to me on the trail.
    Please bring on a carbon!
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    Quick update. Decided on the scout after having another test ride. Managed to have a quick go on a SC 5010 the day before and the scout is much more lively, feels more solid and capable going fast over rock gardens etc so I have no doubt transition have really done their sums with this bike. Think that bit extra front length and slackness just kills the Santa cruz. Really do think its going to be a classic bike.
    Sticking 150mm revs on the front to alter the slack by .5°. Just two weeks to wait now

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    Just bought a Patrol 3!
    I was torn between black or orange, build up or stock, and then Belmont Wheelworks in MA put the orange medium Patrol 3 they had in stock on sale for 3325! Awesome bike and awesome price! $340 for a KS LEV integra dropper post and needs nothing else!
    3666 in total to be exact. That's an awesome price for a 1x10 with stealth dropper new bike like this.
    Still waiting for all the snow to melt before I can give real ride impressions but so far I can tell it is a wheelie/manual monster!

    I am going to transfer my xt 1x10 drivetrain and atlas cranks from my old bike since they are new and better than the deore/slx/sram/ride level stuff.

    This means I might entertain offers on the new drivetrain ;-)
    I can include the deore brakes too because then you get the ispec mounted shifter!

    Then I will probably upgrade the handlebars/stem/grips to shave some grams and customize the look. I'll only upgrade the wheels as needed.

    I can post pics, but right now it is stock except for the dropper post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyFlow View Post
    Just bought a Patrol 3!
    I was torn between black or orange, build up or stock, and then Belmont Wheelworks in MA put the orange medium Patrol 3 they had in stock on sale for 3325! Awesome bike and awesome price! $340 for a KS LEV integra dropper post and needs nothing else!
    3666 in total to be exact. That's an awesome price for a 1x10 with stealth dropper new bike like this.
    Still waiting for all the snow to melt before I can give real ride impressions but so far I can tell it is a wheelie/manual monster!

    I am going to transfer my xt 1x10 drivetrain and atlas cranks from my old bike since they are new and better than the deore/slx/sram/ride level stuff.

    This means I might entertain offers on the new drivetrain ;-)
    I can include the deore brakes too because then you get the ispec mounted shifter!

    Then I will probably upgrade the handlebars/stem/grips to shave some grams and customize the look. I'll only upgrade the wheels as needed.

    I can post pics, but right now it is stock except for the dropper post.
    I just bought the same bike, same kit. I got the orange as most of my previous bikes have been black so I wanted to change the flavor. I bought the RS Reverb stealth post. I really hope that it is a good post. I am a little nervous about it and I wasn't sure if I should have went with the KS. Anyways, congrats!! cant wait to rip it up on mine!!!

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    I chose the Scout in limeade. I already have a 160mm travel bike and figured the scout would be the perfect complimentary trail bike. Ended up scoring an XL frame and specing my build kit thru hours of online deal scouring. $3800 for XT, stans with hope hubs, and race face sixc/atlas bits. Just had meniscus surgery on both knees (glutton for punishment) so this build will keep me busy and inspiration to work hard at physio.

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    Whos had there scout out and about then, let us know what it can handle please. STILL waiting for my frame. Just one or two more days now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrenspink View Post
    Whos had there scout out and about then, let us know what it can handle please. STILL waiting for my frame. Just one or two more days now.
    I just rode Grafton Mesa in Hurricane, UT on my Scout, so I'd call it capable. Grafton is a pretty chunky downhill trail.

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    Thought I would give this a bump. I'm stuck on the fence. Seeing if there is any more input on what the scout can really do before I decide.

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    Rehabbing my knees, but back on the bike doing basic road/light trail climbs, so not a full ride report to give. What I will say is this...the Scout climbs!! I'm always the slowest guy in my group uphill and I was the fastest the other day...no bob, just putting the power down and accelerating up the hill. Kind of game changing for me really. Cannot wait to take it out for a proper ride this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmittyPDX View Post
    Rehabbing my knees, but back on the bike doing basic road/light trail climbs, so not a full ride report to give. What I will say is this...the Scout climbs!! I'm always the slowest guy in my group uphill and I was the fastest the other day...no bob, just putting the power down and accelerating up the hill. Kind of game changing for me really. Cannot wait to take it out for a proper ride this weekend.
    It's reports like these that make me ecstatic for the scout. Climbs, descends, and wants to play. Really hard to beat that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFC1405 View Post
    Thought I would give this a bump. I'm stuck on the fence. Seeing if there is any more input on what the scout can really do before I decide.
    Been on my Scout for 2 months. Coming off a 2014 Transition Covert and before that a Giant Reign x

    The Scout absolutely rips...when you put down power to the pedals the bike just takes off, and speaking of taking off the bike gets airtime like nothing else. My riding partner is also on one and we both just can't get over how easy and well the thing gets airborn, its so fun. Any little bump or lips you can pop off, any of those pesky jumps you may have had trouble to make the transition now easy to make. It's just a play bike. Corners is fantastic, I'm still trying to get used to how fast I can go into corners and make.

    Downside is when things get fast and rowdy, the last two bikes I was on were 150-160mm in the rear so I'm used to being able to really open it up when decents got rough and hairy. The Scout can definitely get overwhelmed in these scenarious and you have to be a lot more picky about your line choices. Where I ride these decents only make up about 10% of my riding so I'm not to worried about it. You just have to be more on the ball and precise about where you put your wheels.

    If your riding consists more of hairy fast rowdy decents go with the Patrol.

    If your riding consists mostly of fun fast trails or even slow techy trails go with the Scout.

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    Thanks for that ^^.

    After reading a bunch, riding around in the parking lot on one, BOOOO! and riding a SC5010 and Kona 134 on a local trail similar to the majority of my area I'm going to go water the money tree out back and get a Scout. I figured those two were the most similar to what a scout would be like on a trail.

    PS: I'm coming off a 26" 100mm hardtail so I know about picky line choices. : ) I'm also excited to actually ride down some short sketchy sections I just don't trust myself to ride on the current rig.

    It will be a few months for a ride update, but I'll make sure I come back with one.

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    I've had the Scout 2 in limeade for a couple months now. Been down Bootleg Canyon a couple times (not the front side) went to Sedona, rode South Mountain in Phoenix, just did the Cannel trail last weekend and all I can say is that after 6 months riding a hard tail this bike is awesome. I added the Reverb dropper when I bought it and I love it. The only thing I can complain about is the SLX rd and deore shifter combo. Not impressed at all. My last bike had X9 2x10 and that was WAY better. Questions is if I were to upgrade drive train for better shifting, what would you go with? Get XT shifter and keep the SLX rd? switch all to SRAM like the Scout 1? any other suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkies View Post
    I've had the Scout 2 in limeade for a couple months now. Been down Bootleg Canyon a couple times (not the front side) went to Sedona, rode South Mountain in Phoenix, just did the Cannel trail last weekend and all I can say is that after 6 months riding a hard tail this bike is awesome. I added the Reverb dropper when I bought it and I love it. The only thing I can complain about is the SLX rd and deore shifter combo. Not impressed at all. My last bike had X9 2x10 and that was WAY better. Questions is if I were to upgrade drive train for better shifting, what would you go with? Get XT shifter and keep the SLX rd? switch all to SRAM like the Scout 1? any other suggestions?
    Sram and shimano feel differently. If you like the sram on your last bike then I would go all that. You could grab an xt shifter off ebay and give it a go, selling it on if you don't like...that would be the cheapest.
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    Deore and xt feels quite same on my previous bike. The different is that xt got rapid shift that allow you to change 2 gear with single push.

    Riding SRAM xx1 now on the patrol. The feel is superiors IMO. Can consider the x1 which feels as good.

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    Thanks guys, and that makes sense. When I jumped on the Patrol 1 before I bought my Scout which had Sram X whatever it felt awesome too. I was just wondering wether the XT shifter would make that big of a difference. Looks like I need to pony up and get at least X9 Rd and shifter.

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    Our area has seen A LOT of Scouts and Patrols in the past few months. I see them on virtually every ride. Everything here is accurate to what they're saying.

    The consensus is exactly what I expected it to be after talking extensively to at least 3 owners of each bike. The guys who like general trail riding and want an all around bike that climbs well, is nimble, and handles the descents and moderate gnar well...Scout. The guys who really lean more toward an Enduro mentality that focuses on descending and they just view going uphill as a necessary evil to get to point downhill and go over anything in their path...Patrol.

    For the guys that have ridden both...say they like their choice, and have no regrets. So for me it's pretty cut and dried that the bikes do what they're designed to do. You wouldn't want to try to beat adept climbers on the Patrol, and you wouldn't want to try to win the descents on the Scout. Those are the extremes you would expect to separate the two bikes.

    General comment from the Scout owners. Most fun bike they've ever ridden, and playful. Love it on anything tight and technical and still descends very well.

    Patrol owners...say they love how they can hit anything and it just soaks it up and keeps truckin'.

    Don't know if that helps or not. I have had offers to swing a leg over both, but I'm resisting the urge to even try. I don't want to know if they're better than my 2014 Bandit...I'd rather live without that urge. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWAtrailyguy View Post
    Patrol owners...say they love how they can hit anything and it just soaks it up and keeps truckin'. :-)
    To all, thank you for the good chat on this thread about Patrol vs Scout.

    I just ordered the last XL orange patrol in the US. I am super excited. I am upgrading from a Giant Trance X2 29er... I look forward to the 160 pike and shifting my riding style. Just moved to Western NC!!

    Thanks!
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    I've already committed to go for the Patrol but now I'm stuck again in that decision.
    I want to replace my stumpjumper (didn't become familiar with that bike), and will eventually also send off my tr250 when the new bike (ie the Patrol) fills both gaps.

    Recently I came across the banshee darkside , which could be great replacement for the TR250: the option for 26"/27,5 and 180/200 (front) makes it pretty versatile. Also the darkside large is really a large one (440 reach), whereas the tr250 in L (411 reach) is a bit too small for me (I like it nevertheless).

    This new "idea" (just changing the tr250 frame for the darkside) leads back to the two-bike solution. But the Patrol next to the darkside (with 180SC) reduces the distance of both relating to their missions - thereby I would posses a DH enduro and a freerider.

    I think the Scout could define that border much better - a capable trailbike and a freeride.
    Anyone who was in same position and went for the do-it-all bike solution? or two bikes?

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    I was going for the same distinguishment as you are and picked up a Scout and a Nomad. First time I've had two bikes versus the one to rule them all. So far I dig the differences. Is there overlap? Sure! But they provide a different ride down the same trail. Plus the nomad obviously takes on the more aggressive trails. Spent two days in whistler on it last weekend and it did just fine in the park. A scout and darkside ( or TR500 in single or double crown) would be even more separation in duties. All depends on the trails you ride and if you can see yourself riding both. We all love bikes, so why not have two of them to be enamoured with?

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    I'm going with the two bike solution also but at the other end. I have a Pivot Mach 4c that I'm setting up with a 130/100 Fox 34 TALAS to cover XC/trail duty and then I want a Patrol carbon for the gnarlier enduro days. I'm not much of a big huck park or free ride guy so the Patrol should handle the most aggressive and gnarliest riding I do.

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    First day of getting my Patrol, I took it to Rocky Knob in Boone, NC! I have been smiling every minute on it. It is incredible at climbing, and especially descending. i have taken it to Beech Mtn downhill park twice and the bike just eats up everything and wants more. The patrol is amazing and recommend it, if you can find one.


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    Ok I'm signing in for advice again. I love my Bandits. Had a 2012 and now have a 2014. My 2014 with a 160 Pike is perfect for me up in Whistler. It's not quite as fast on the descents as my friends on their Coverts, but it is a blast. Somehow they have always felt bottomless (though my polished back to aluminium seat tube says otherwise).

    Has anyone owned a Bandit and then a Scout? How do you compare them? Which descends better?

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    Lokking to possibly build up a scout for the gf. Any idea on the weight of an xt build?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kfun View Post
    First day of getting my Patrol, I took it to Rocky Knob in Boone, NC! I have been smiling every minute on it. It is incredible at climbing, and especially descending. i have taken it to Beech Mtn downhill park twice and the bike just eats up everything and wants more. The patrol is amazing and recommend it, if you can find one.
    Where did you get your patrol? WNC as well...

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    A medium XT build is around 29 lbs.

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    Only had a brief go on a Patrol to compare, but it's definitely a little burlier than my Scout. Saying that, I've got 36s reduced to 150mm on my Scout and some slack bushings and have no problems keeping up with people on bigger travel bikes even on uplift days. Sure you get a little more rattled, but isn't being rattled a little bit fun? I guess I like the livelier feel of it. I don't feel any difference going from a 140 bike down to 125.

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    How's the patrol on tight rocky singletrack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcycleman View Post
    How's the patrol on tight rocky single-track?
    Im editing this post, sorry dcycleman, i just realized you question was probably aimed at the post above. but here's my opinion anyway.
    Its great in the Tight twisty single track.
    I just test rode the patrol on my fav local trail. Ive been riding for 25 yrs, Im am a DHer, i ride up only when i have to and need all the help i can get. I have 3 bikes, an 8'' travel Transition TR500 for DH and a 7.5" Uzzi for peddling up plus a hard tail. So my opinion on the patrol. It climbs amazingly well, i cleared sections on the climb that i always walk mu uzzi and my hard tail up. And the DH blew my mind, it was confidence inspiring on everything from steep drops, rock slabs and great in the tight twisty and rock infested trails we have here in Nelson BC.
    For me, if i rode mostly smoother trails, even if they were tight, twisty i would consider the scout. But the trails here are rough as well as steep and twisty. For me its the patrol. But if i could i would have both.

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    I will go for the patrol; maybe it's overkill for many trails here, but it will (hopefully) provide more reserves and confidence at the crucial moments (which everyone knows when trying something new/faster/steeper...).
    Also I think I will give away the Stumpi Evo and the TR250 and look for a tr500/Demo/gambler next year for the gnarly trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpw2011 View Post
    Im editing this post, sorry dcycleman, i just realized you question was probably aimed at the post above. but here's my opinion anyway.
    Its great in the Tight twisty single track.
    I just test rode the patrol on my fav local trail. Ive been riding for 25 yrs, Im am a DHer, i ride up only when i have to and need all the help i can get. I have 3 bikes, an 8'' travel Transition TR500 for DH and a 7.5" Uzzi for peddling up plus a hard tail. So my opinion on the patrol. It climbs amazingly well, i cleared sections on the climb that i always walk mu uzzi and my hard tail up. And the DH blew my mind, it was confidence inspiring on everything from steep drops, rock slabs and great in the tight twisty and rock infested trails we have here in Nelson BC.
    For me, if i rode mostly smoother trails, even if they were tight, twisty i would consider the scout. But the trails here are rough as well as steep and twisty. For me its the patrol. But if i could i would have both.
    Hey thanks for the reply.
    I'm pretty sure I'm going for the patrol, all the trails I ride in the northeast USA are really rocky and rooty with down hill sections. Almost no smooth trails

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    I'm facing a similar dilemma. I live in VT where there are plenty of features on and around the trails but
    overall not anything the scout couldn't handle. There's places with lots of twisty, rooty, singletrack with
    rocky sections here and there. The Scout would be a great 1 bike solution if it had a little more travel,
    like more in the 140/145 range in the back. Unfortunately, I live for those 5% trails where I can go balls
    to the wall on the descent and hit a few jumps without bottoming on hard landings. Another factor is I weigh
    a bit over 200# RtoR which will make me sink a little more into the sag. (The sag on my recent demo on the
    Patrol was 35% and that felt perfect.)
    The suspension overall felt fairly linear through the 1st 2/3 of travel (Didn't have a chance to hit
    anything that would bottom it out, though. Did some steep climbs on it, though, and it felt entirely capable
    and easier to stay in a seated position than, say, my current bike, a '12 Firebird.
    The Firebird was my 'one bike' when I was climbing up and down the chundery, sharp rocks in AZ, but I'm way
    overbiked here. I'm leaning toward the Patrol right now but am wondering about how much separation there
    would be with the Firebird if I were to get the Patrol. The updated climbing geo makes a big difference and the
    suspension on the Patrol felt a tad more efficient, tho. Need to do more testing. Hoping I'll be able to
    corral a Scout for a demo ride next Monday. Let's keep the discussion going.

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    le_buzz, check the Knolly Endorphin. Similar to the Scout with a little more travel.
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    I've gone from an Intense Slopestyle (160mm) to a Turner 5-Spot (140mm) to a Scout (125mm). I really can't notice any slow down in my riding, if anything I've got quicker.

    I really don't miss the little bit extra travel the other bikes had. I think my mindset has probably changed. le_buzz, you say you live for the 5% of trails where to can really fly. I live in similar riding territory and have the same attitude, but now I think I have more fun 95% of the time and don't notice a detrimental difference on those burlier trails. Weight shouldn't be a big problem, set the shock up with the right sag, put a few volume spacers in it so it ramps up for bigger jumps and crack on.

    I guess the other point is, you'll love whichever one you buy and it doesn't really matter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahhowes View Post
    I've gone from an Intense Slopestyle (160mm) to a Turner 5-Spot (140mm) to a Scout (125mm). I really can't notice any slow down in my riding, if anything I've got quicker.

    I really don't miss the little bit extra travel the other bikes had. I think my mindset has probably changed. le_buzz, you say you live for the 5% of trails where to can really fly. I live in similar riding territory and have the same attitude, but now I think I have more fun 95% of the time and don't notice a detrimental difference on those burlier trails. Weight shouldn't be a big problem, set the shock up with the right sag, put a few volume spacers in it so it ramps up for bigger jumps and crack on.

    I guess the other point is, you'll love whichever one you buy and it doesn't really matter!


    Hi Noah, I appreciate your input and think your point about the 95% is a good one.

    But I don't agree with putting volume spacers in a short travel bike to keep it from
    going through the travel too fast. While that idea might have some benefit in
    tightening up a mushy feeling FSR type suspension design, the Transition's GiddyUp design,
    is quite different feeling - much more linear, and it would be a shame to ruin such
    a well sorted design by modifying the shock that way. Maybe Transition should
    consider doing a 140mm version for those of us heavier riders or who just need a tad
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    It would be nice if they added another 10mm to the carbon version. That being said,
    I'm looking forward to demoing the 125mm Scout, hopefully, I'll discover that 125mm
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    Not sure why you would have issues with volune spacers, then make a for a better ride.
    The shorter Pikes come with spacers preinstalled.

    A 220lb buddy of mine has a Scout with a 140 Pike. With no spacers he had to run the Pike at 120psi to keep it from bottoming out. With that much pressure he complained about the harsh ride and lack of small pump compliance.
    He experimented and ended up running 3 spacers and only 90psi. With the lower pressure the small bumps compliance is silky smooth, but the fork ramps up just right so he only bottoms out are the harder hits.
    In the rear you can adjust it the same way with the bands.

    I've demoed a scout Several times and my buddy and I agree it pedals like it's listed travel, but when riding the rough stuff and jumping it feels more like a 140mm+ bike!
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    The frame specs for Transition (and Kona) seem way longer (reach, top tube) then say Rocky Mountain, SC, etc. If any of you taller riders (I'm 6'3) could let me know which size Transition Scout, or Patrol you have and how you like it I would appreciate it. Note, I am torn between the L and XL.

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    6'3"... definitely go for XL. I own T.Bandit 29 XL and I'm 6'0" - gorilla arms

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    6'3" and i'm on an XL. I wouldn't fit anything smaller. The Transition has the longer reach so that you can use a short stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corey_rodriguez View Post
    The frame specs for Transition (and Kona) seem way longer (reach, top tube) then say Rocky Mountain, SC, etc. If any of you taller riders (I'm 6'3) could let me know which size Transition Scout, or Patrol you have and how you like it I would appreciate it. Note, I am torn between the L and XL.
    I'm 6'3" with 34" inseam on a L Scout with a 55mm stem. I was also torn between L and XL. In the past when I've been inbetween sizes I've sized up and regretted it, so this time I went down instead. So far I'm happy with the smaller bike. We have lots of tight single track and the smaller bike is more fun. Of course your riding style and trails may be a lot different.

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    6'4 on a XL Scout with a 35mm stem. Bike is super capable...honestly I have a new Nomad too and I'm using the Scout more and leaving the Nomad for DH duties only. Very quick bike that jumps with the best of them and climbs like a beast

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    question for Scout owners- do you feel the front end is slack enough when you are descending steep/rough trails? playful and jumpy is good, but is it stable and confident inspiring when the pucker factor increases. would really like my wife to get on one and this is a critical element that she would like improved over her current ride.

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    Not quite when it gets really steep and fast, proper DH territory, but anything short of that and it's fine. The longer wheel base does help too. I have a set of slackening bushes in the back and a slightly longer (36 at 150mm) fork which together probably take about 1-1.5 degrees off the head angle making it more DH friendly (also raises the BB by about 1mm, but I can't tell). My local trails are basically XC loops on the top of a valley with steep short super tech runs off the side so that works well for me.

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    FYI - I just posted a long term review of my Patrol here:
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    Anyone here try their Scout with a 160 fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime View Post
    Anyone here try their Scout with a 160 fork?
    I want to know the exact same thing? how does it ride with a 160mm fork. Im considering a custom build with a 160mm travel Adjust Pike. I assume that would make it a better climber as i think it will drop to 120mm and a better DHer with a little more travel and slacker HA?
    My LBS says it would be bad idea and will mess with the geo too much.
    My local rides are very steep up and full DH down. There is not much rolling terrain here.

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    I owned a scout for 3 months, rode very rocky steep stuff, even went to the downhill park. Then I bought a patrol. End of story. Unless you want a bike thats easy to throw around in the air, or you only ride on relatively smooth terrain, then get a patrol. The patrol climbs just as well as the scout trust me you'll be surprised, and it handles all the DH crap. I just got back from 2 days at Mammoth and I was riding just as fast as some not so advanced guys on full DH bikes. hands down the patrol is the best bike for trail riding and steep nasty dh stuff. My apologies for crappy grammar and writing, just wanted to put in my 2 cents.

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    That's good feedback. Cheers. Not many people have owned both scout and patrol. I have tested ridden a patrol and I love its dh ability and it climbed OK as well. But I'm getting into more pedaling and longer climbs so I just hoped that the scout climbed significantly better. However I still ride steep rough dh after the climbs so I need a bike to handle that too.
    Thanks for the feedback.

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    Kev, you're in Nelson? sheeeeeeeeeiit bro, you are in Patrol/Rune/Range terrain if there ever was, why mess around? here on the Island it's more of a decision, but in Nelson? good god man 160 travel all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    Kev, you're in Nelson? sheeeeeeeeeiit bro, you are in Patrol/Rune/Range terrain if there ever was, why mess around? here on the Island it's more of a decision, but in Nelson? good god man 160 travel all the way.
    Yeh it's steep and rough here but I have a DH bike so I want a bike that's easy to pedal up and fun down. My intense uzzi is 180mm bike and it's hard to pedal up. Based on the response above saying that the scout and patrol are very simular climbers it makes sense to get a patrol.

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    having said that, personal preference always comes into play. a friend has the Scout and loves it, he also has a full DH race bike and rides that Scout to it's max. you certainly could up fork it no problem and live with a more firm and direct feel in the back. i bet you know guys who ride hard tails in your terrain, it's always about feel and preference. if your mates are all enduro'ing as hard down as possible on trail bikes Patrol for sure. if they aren't about max speed down or your chops are that good, you could certainly have a great time on the Scout. i'm super tall and ride the Smuggler on all kinds of stuff but also have a Range when i want more cush. the Smug get's the nod 80% of the time though so much fun.

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    Cheers mate. It's nice to get feedback. I was looking for the best climber possible that could still dh well enough. As you say it's all personal preference. I cannot test ride a scout but I have ridden a patrol and it rocked the dh. But I felt it wasn't as good at climbing as I wanted. Perhaps I'm looking for something that doesn't exist. I was thinking of a scout custom build with 160mm pike travel adjust. I could even slack it out with offset bushing or Angle set. If the 160mm was too tall then I assume I could lower the pike with spacers or something down to 150 or 140.

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    Also, when I first switched from scout to patrol I didn't think the patrol was as good as the scout right away when it came to climbing. It took a little getting used to considering the longer wheels base and slacker angles. I guess in the end the Scout will probably climb better, but most immediate discrepancies fade with time as your body adjusts to climbing on the Patrol. If you're looking at making a Scout more slack with a longer fork you're half way to patrol anyway, you might as well just get the extra travel in the rear. Or just a quick thought, if you wanted to make the patrol a little easier to climb put the pike adjust on it, that way you could give a little less travel in front and make tighten up the angles at the same time. If that's a bad idea please someone chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkies View Post
    Also, when I first switched from scout to patrol I didn't think the patrol was as good as the scout right away when it came to climbing. It took a little getting used to considering the longer wheels base and slacker angles. I guess in the end the Scout will probably climb better, but most immediate discrepancies fade with time as your body adjusts to climbing on the Patrol. If you're looking at making a Scout more slack with a longer fork you're half way to patrol anyway, you might as well just get the extra travel in the rear. Or just a quick thought, if you wanted to make the patrol a little easier to climb put the pike adjust on it, that way you could give a little less travel in front and mak
    e tighten up the angles at the same time. If that's a bad idea please someone chime in.
    It sounds like a good idea to me .the patrol has a good lockout in the rear so a travel adjust fork makes sense .for some reason I had never considered that.cheers mate.

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    I agree that putting a longer fork on a Scout does not make sense.
    If that is your inclination, I think you answered the question for yourself - get the Patrol!

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    I have a lot of momentum in the direction of buying a scout but I've only been attracted to it due to the assumption it climbs way better than the patrol. I think I'm a good enough dh rider to handle the shorter travel. But having said that. If adding a travel adjust pike to the patrol will improve the climbing efficiency and make climbing less work then I prefer the patrol. Trails here are steep up and down and rough too. There is no rolling terrain. It's all up then all dh. I'm just looking for a bike that's easy to climb so I can ride up multiple times.

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    One thing to consider is that putting a travel adjust fork on the patrol is going to make the bb really low when dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy R View Post
    One thing to consider is that putting a travel adjust fork on the patrol is going to make the bb really low when dropped.

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    I think that would be OK for me on the climbs. I just spoke with transition and they were really helpful. They said the scout does climb better but it's not a big difference. The scout and patrol differ more on the dh. The scout more playful, flick able, the patrol more point and shoot dh style. So I'm made up my mind. It's a patrol. If the scout isn't a much better climber then I will go for the patrol.

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    I owned a Scout all last year and now I'm jumping to the patrol after riding my brother's. One thing to consider, besides the angles and travel, is that the Scout comes in at almost the same weight as the patrol. As far as long grinds to the top of the hill, I don't see any significant benefit of the Scout over the Patrol. On quick, steep, tech climbs, the head angle on the Patrol will be a factor but I'm willing to make that sacrifice for the downhill benefits. On fairly smooth trails, the scout is amazing downhill. But when it got rough, my bro on his Patrol would pull away fast.
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    Cheers to everyone. My trails are not smooth and as much as I want easy climbs I do live for the dh. The patrol it is.

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    seems the most logical decision mate. cool that you can call and talk directly with Trans guys eh? some call tree system they've got! given what i know of where you ride the Scout would have been good, the Patrol better. less of a body beat down! is there one for you now or do you have to special order a 2016 and wait?

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    The shop has a good deal on a 2015 in orange but I'm not keen on that only because my tr500 is orange.so I will order one in.I like both of the colours available. I will custom build ,mostly because I want wide rims and I can take my XO drive train off my uzzi.

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    Ok, its a rainy day here so I'll bite. Due to a theft, I have significant time on both the Patrol and Scout. It is a really tough comparison because both bikes are so fun, but I'll try to explain what I found.

    -The Patrol has gobs of traction, both uphill and down. If you can keep your legs spinning, you can climb up damn near anything. The Scout is snappier feeling, but therefore gives up a little bit of that monster-truck feeling from the Patrol.

    -The Scout jumps really really well. But the Patrol encourages you to say F-it and skip the lander and huck to flat.

    -As far as efficiency goes, the Scout definitely beats the Patrol. On tighter trails it wiggles through the trees easier and is quicker to get off the ground when you want. On smoother, more bike park style trails it absolutely slays. You get more out of pumping rollers and working the trail for speed.

    -I truly believe both bikes are just as capable at going as fast as you want. The difference to me is the feeling. The Patrol wants to smash the trail to pieces, the Scout wants to go just as fast but jump over things the whole way.

    It's a really tough call between the two bikes and I'm still contemplating on which one to keep now that the Patrol mysteriously came back home. If you have any more specific questions between the two, fire away!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motomike View Post
    Ok, its a rainy day here so I'll bite. Due to a theft, I have significant time on both the Patrol and Scout. It is a really tough comparison because both bikes are so fun, but I'll try to explain what I found.

    -The Patrol has gobs of traction, both uphill and down. If you can keep your legs spinning, you can climb up damn near anything. The Scout is snappier feeling, but therefore gives up a little bit of that monster-truck feeling from the Patrol.

    -The Scout jumps really really well. But the Patrol encourages you to say F-it and skip the lander and huck to flat.

    -As far as efficiency goes, the Scout definitely beats the Patrol. On tighter trails it wiggles through the trees easier and is quicker to get off the ground when you want. On smoother, more bike park style trails it absolutely slays. You get more out of pumping rollers and working the trail for speed.

    -I truly believe both bikes are just as capable at going as fast as you want. The difference to me is the feeling. The Patrol wants to smash the trail to pieces, the Scout wants to go just as fast but jump over things the whole way.

    It's a really tough call between the two bikes and I'm still contemplating on which one to keep now that the Patrol mysteriously came back home. If you have any more specific questions between the two, fire away!
    I live in Charlotte NC and it is very rooty here with some rocky spots. I ride single track and 9 out of 10 trails are never "smooth". There are a couple places but most are moderately technical. I am tiny, 5'8 140lbs - and coming from BMX catching air is my favorite thing to do. Does the Patrol maintain the "pop-ability" that the scout is so good at? Scout sounds like exactly what I am looking for but when I am going downhill I want to rip. I feel the insane rootage at speed, and my desire to soar might be too much for the scout. On the other hand I'm not doing down a literal mountain.

    Also, how does the scout handle the jump lines and drop offs and such?

    Just wondering what you would recommend, and how much of the flick-ability is lost going from scout to patrol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyLight350z View Post
    I live in Charlotte NC and it is very rooty here with some rocky spots. I ride single track and 9 out of 10 trails are never "smooth". There are a couple places but most are moderately technical. I am tiny, 5'8 140lbs - and coming from BMX catching air is my favorite thing to do. Does the Patrol maintain the "pop-ability" that the scout is so good at? Scout sounds like exactly what I am looking for but when I am going downhill I want to rip. I feel the insane rootage at speed, and my desire to soar might be too much for the scout. On the other hand I'm not doing down a literal mountain.

    Also, how does the scout handle the jump lines and drop offs and such?

    Just wondering what you would recommend, and how much of the flick-ability is lost going from scout to patrol.
    Pretty much sums the bikes range up. Patrol to plow through, scout to pop anything you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyLight350z View Post
    I live in Charlotte NC and it is very rooty here with some rocky spots. I ride single track and 9 out of 10 trails are never "smooth". There are a couple places but most are moderately technical. I am tiny, 5'8 140lbs - and coming from BMX catching air is my favorite thing to do. Does the Patrol maintain the "pop-ability" that the scout is so good at? Scout sounds like exactly what I am looking for but when I am going downhill I want to rip. I feel the insane rootage at speed, and my desire to soar might be too much for the scout. On the other hand I'm not doing down a literal mountain.

    Also, how does the scout handle the jump lines and drop offs and such?

    Just wondering what you would recommend, and how much of the flick-ability is lost going from scout to patrol.
    This is a good one, and since I live close by in Boone and have ridden most of the trails in CLT hopefully I can help. I would absolutely get the Scout over the Patrol if I lived in CLT. The Scout pops and jumps SO well, and the slightly extra efficiency you will get over the Patrol when pedaling will be really nice down there. The trails are rooty down there for sure, but the speeds that you can achieve aren't that high (relavitely) and the downhill sections are very short compared to what you get in the mountains. Unless you often take trips to WNC to ride Pisgah or bike parks I would definitely get a Scout. And even if you do ride in the mountains some, I think I would still lean towards the Scout because the majority of your riding will still likely be in the piedmont. Hope that helps. One thing is for sure, you will be very happy on either bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motomike View Post
    This is a good one, and since I live close by in Boone and have ridden most of the trails in CLT hopefully I can help. I would absolutely get the Scout over the Patrol if I lived in CLT. The Scout pops and jumps SO well, and the slightly extra efficiency you will get over the Patrol when pedaling will be really nice down there. The trails are rooty down there for sure, but the speeds that you can achieve aren't that high (relavitely) and the downhill sections are very short compared to what you get in the mountains. Unless you often take trips to WNC to ride Pisgah or bike parks I would definitely get a Scout. And even if you do ride in the mountains some, I think I would still lean towards the Scout because the majority of your riding will still likely be in the piedmont. Hope that helps. One thing is for sure, you will be very happy on either bike!
    So... What are you keeping?

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    He pretty much said it already... It was stolen, then reappeared a bit later. Guilty conscience I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motomike View Post
    This is a good one, and since I live close by in Boone and have ridden most of the trails in CLT hopefully I can help. I would absolutely get the Scout over the Patrol if I lived in CLT. The Scout pops and jumps SO well, and the slightly extra efficiency you will get over the Patrol when pedaling will be really nice down there. The trails are rooty down there for sure, but the speeds that you can achieve aren't that high (relavitely) and the downhill sections are very short compared to what you get in the mountains. Unless you often take trips to WNC to ride Pisgah or bike parks I would definitely get a Scout. And even if you do ride in the mountains some, I think I would still lean towards the Scout because the majority of your riding will still likely be in the piedmont. Hope that helps. One thing is for sure, you will be very happy on either bike!
    I appreciate the detailed response. Sounds like I may have to go for the scout since I will be riding around here for the most part. BYT interests me the most though, you think the scout would handle all of the jump lines without killing my thumbs?

    If I did take it to a smooth flowing DH park, like baileys- would it handle it? 90% of my riding wont be at places like that but for such a big purchase It would be nice to know that I COULD hit the big jumps with smooth transitions if I wanted to.

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    To quote Pinkbike's review:

    In fact, it's capable enough that I wouldn't hesitate to take it into a bike park to have a go on the flowier, jump filled trails, trails like Whistler's A-Line or Dirt Merchant where a longer travel bike isn't a necessity.
    There's some big old jumps on A-Line and Dirt Merchant, so yeah, I reckon it could cope

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnarly View Post
    To quote Pinkbike's review:



    There's some big old jumps on A-Line and Dirt Merchant, so yeah, I reckon it could cope
    I supposed that answers my question perfectly, thanks! I think I'll try the scout. If I find myself shredding more technical gnar or the big lines at the park and want to slacken it some maybe I'll try a 150mm FOX34 or something. I am a poor college kid and I will be getting the cheap scout 4 and slowly upgrading anyway so it gives me some options.

    Thanks!

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    Has anyone had issues with Shimano 10 speed derailuer housing routing? It makes the awful loop with the higher point of entry on the derailuer as opposed to the SRAM 11 speed which looks pretty inline with the frame.

    I'm on a 2016 carbon Patrol XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDwayyo View Post
    So... What are you keeping?

    (Small world, I rode with you in Stokesville back in June when we stayed at the lodge. I was the Marylander. Heard the story of your Patrol... Pretty nuts!)
    Marylander?! You ride a Transition at Avalon by any chance?


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    I was in the same questioning lately. But finally decide to go with the Patrol 3.
    Coming from 15 years of DH on a S8/V-10, switch to trail/enduro on a Xprezo Super-D for the last 3 years. Enjoying the climb if theirs a reward going downhill afterwards...

    Now my only dilemma is the size!

    I'm wondering what height and size people choose here.

    I've tried a large Patrol, the fit seems good with short stem and full forward seat but I didn't had a chance to try a medium.

    I'm 5'10'' 150lbs... any thoughts?

    I mostly ride tight but fast singletracks with some gnar, shore, burms...up and down and will certainly go ride the lift a few times with my DH buddy's I don't see much anymore since I'm more into trails...

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    Hey dh...I'm 5'10" 170, and I think it still comes down somewhat to arm length, torso length, and where your height is. I only wear 33 1/2" sleeves (got Celo arms), so the reach on the large Patrol and Scout just made me feel more forward than I wanted, even with 50mm stems. I went with the M scout after spending a full day on a L Scout. I rode a large Patrol, and it felt big. I wouldn't have even bothered adjusting anything to see if I would like it...I knew immediately I would want the M in the Patrol when I was deciding between the two. I opted for the Scout, because I do quite a few 20+ mile rides, and I can hit anything I'm willing to hit on the Scout. With your DH background, you would probably want the Patrol for sure, and from there I think it would come down to feel on the bike. I ride with an incredible rider who is only 5'7" and rides nothing but large bikes, so I guess there's no rule....just what you like.

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    Just my 2 cents:
    I took a Scout and a Patrol together with a friend for a test ride.
    We took turns riding AM loop that includes tech uphill, some flowish descents, very tech downhill and some kickers and drops (largest drop was 5ft).
    We redid most of the sections swapping bikes to get a feel for the difference and this was excellent because we could compare back to back runs.
    Patrol:
    Climbs pretty well for a 160mm, even surprising
    Slower to change directions
    Gives a bit of a "disconnected" feel i.e you feel/react to terrain in a more muted manner
    Pumps OK
    Absorbs drops/ Landings like butter
    Scout:
    Fast and Agile
    Turn on a dime and feels a lot more planted than Patrol
    You can feel terrain (I mean this in a good way - supple not jittery, but allows you to react)
    Pumps amazing!
    Manuals and bunnyhops easily!
    Climbs easier than Patrol
    Descends quicker than Patrol (again - depends on the rider)
    Absorbs drops/ Landings well (5ft drop was fine!) but you need to be a bit more precise - less room for error

    Note: Currently riding a Kona Process 134, I ride AM with a focus on descents and occasional DH. I don't ride long rides (no more than 25k)

    Conclusion:
    I was all set to buy the Patrol but was amazed by the Scout.
    My friend (who rides another 160mm enduro bike) felt the same way.
    The Scout handles better and responds quicker and suits a more active rider. If your trails/riding is more to run over everything and hold your line, maybe Patrol is the better choice. For me, the Scout was the winner! (... and I was biased against it)
    I'm considering upgrading the fork to 150mm to give me a slightly slacker HA for descents.
    Again, reviews can only go so far and a back to back test proved this

    Good Luck!

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    Thanks Konanim thats good feedback.
    That deserves +1 rep

    I have a few questions I hope you can answer, sorry to bomb you with questions/thoughts:

    How was the bikes setup? What build/weight etc.
    I know that just a few % more or less sag greatly influence the bike feel, so how was the sag setup?

    You mention the scout decents better. Sounds a bit counterintuative for me.

    You say the scout "Manuals and bunnyhops easily"... How about the patrol, does the 5mm longer chainstay effect this?

    Did you guys play with sag/ trail mode on the rear shock? I have the idea that the patrol would do just fine in trail for more pedal/smooth trails with the option to open it fully when things get rowdy. Actually this is what I did on my scout for some time until I realized it just performs so well fully open all the time nomatter the trail, but maybe the patrol is more suited for "trail switch"

    I'm stuck between scout and patrol (I currently own a scout and thinking if I should get a scout ot patrol when they are both in carbon)
    I'm weight 220+ lbs and I feel the rear end could be more smooth jumping/dropping. Even small drops seems abit too harsh for my liking. Not in anyway saying it's hard bottomout landings, just abit noisy and not "Plush feeling"
    Adding too many bands in the shock makes it a bit harsh feeling.

    My trails are not super gnarly at all, but I do seek out the technical features the trails offer and focus on them. I'm just worried the patrol may be too much, but my thinking is that a light carbon patrol could be close to my current scout pedal/climbing-wise but I dont want to loose to much of that playful feel.

    It would be great if people with experience on scout, patrol or both would give their comments. I've read just about everything I could find regarding scout vs patrol and still in doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnn View Post
    Thanks Konanim thats good feedback.
    That deserves +1 rep

    I have a few questions I hope you can answer, sorry to bomb you with questions/thoughts:

    How was the bikes setup? What build/weight etc.
    I know that just a few % more or less sag greatly influence the bike feel, so how was the sag setup?

    You mention the scout decents better. Sounds a bit counterintuative for me.

    You say the scout "Manuals and bunnyhops easily"... How about the patrol, does the 5mm longer chainstay effect this?

    Did you guys play with sag/ trail mode on the rear shock? I have the idea that the patrol would do just fine in trail for more pedal/smooth trails with the option to open it fully when things get rowdy. Actually this is what I did on my scout for some time until I realized it just performs so well fully open all the time nomatter the trail, but maybe the patrol is more suited for "trail switch"

    I'm stuck between scout and patrol (I currently own a scout and thinking if I should get a scout ot patrol when they are both in carbon)
    I'm weight 220+ lbs and I feel the rear end could be more smooth jumping/dropping. Even small drops seems abit too harsh for my liking. Not in anyway saying it's hard bottomout landings, just abit noisy and not "Plush feeling"
    Adding too many bands in the shock makes it a bit harsh feeling.

    My trails are not super gnarly at all, but I do seek out the technical features the trails offer and focus on them. I'm just worried the patrol may be too much, but my thinking is that a light carbon patrol could be close to my current scout pedal/climbing-wise but I dont want to loose to much of that playful feel.

    It would be great if people with experience on scout, patrol or both would give their comments. I've read just about everything I could find regarding scout vs patrol and still in doubt.
    No problem:
    I weigh 170lbs.
    Bikes were setup by Transition dealer so even though I didn't check the sag, he checked with my weight and I assume he set it per the recommendations.
    I think that the chainstay length has less to do with the ease of manualing and it's more to do with that you need more movement to compress the longer travel in order to push back up.
    The patrol is plusher when landing for sure but if you land correctly, not that much of a difference on the scout.
    Like I said, I really liked the playful feel of the Scout vs. the Patrol. That was the selling point.

    Think about it this way, if your trails aren't super gnarly and it's just the drops that feel a bit harsh, then why would you sacrifice 90% of the ride quality for the 10% of gnar?
    My thinking was initially: Move to an Enduro bike to keep up with my increasing speeds/ drops etc. but as I started testing I realized that for me at least the ride quality is better with slightly shorter travel because of that playfulness.
    For the remaining 10%, I'll dial in my technique to be smoother (...it'll make me a better rider)
    I've also spoken to a couple of competitive guys (both enduro & DH) and they ride mostly on 140mm bikes . Their take is that people buy what they want and not what they really need. I'll admit it's hard to for me too to accept the fact that I'll be going with less travel than a lot of my friends...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnn View Post
    Thanks Konanim thats good feedback.
    That deserves +1 rep

    I have a few questions I hope you can answer, sorry to bomb you with questions/thoughts:

    How was the bikes setup? What build/weight etc.
    I know that just a few % more or less sag greatly influence the bike feel, so how was the sag setup?

    You mention the scout decents better. Sounds a bit counterintuative for me.

    You say the scout "Manuals and bunnyhops easily"... How about the patrol, does the 5mm longer chainstay effect this?

    Did you guys play with sag/ trail mode on the rear shock? I have the idea that the patrol would do just fine in trail for more pedal/smooth trails with the option to open it fully when things get rowdy. Actually this is what I did on my scout for some time until I realized it just performs so well fully open all the time nomatter the trail, but maybe the patrol is more suited for "trail switch"

    I'm stuck between scout and patrol (I currently own a scout and thinking if I should get a scout ot patrol when they are both in carbon)
    I'm weight 220+ lbs and I feel the rear end could be more smooth jumping/dropping. Even small drops seems abit too harsh for my liking. Not in anyway saying it's hard bottomout landings, just abit noisy and not "Plush feeling"
    Adding too many bands in the shock makes it a bit harsh feeling.

    My trails are not super gnarly at all, but I do seek out the technical features the trails offer and focus on them. I'm just worried the patrol may be too much, but my thinking is that a light carbon patrol could be close to my current scout pedal/climbing-wise but I dont want to loose to much of that playful feel.

    It would be great if people with experience on scout, patrol or both would give their comments. I've read just about everything I could find regarding scout vs patrol and still in doubt.
    Invest in a better shock, I now use a DB Inline (other shocks available) and its improved the scout no end.
    Put your phone down and get riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konanim View Post
    I weigh 170lbs.
    Bikes were setup by Transition dealer so even though I didn't check the sag, he checked with my weight and I assume he set it per the recommendations.
    I would never trust a setup made purely based on weight.
    I find that monarch shocks actually vary by quite alot, even on the same bike. In my experience the scout at least is quite sensitive between just a few % sag.
    Not saying this was a problem or anything in your test, just something to consider.
    Very helpful comparison.

    Unfortunately there is no demo events in Denmark.
    Last edited by Dnn; 06-29-2016 at 10:21 AM.

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    FWIW, I'm on a Scout, never ridden a Patrol.
    I've got Fox 36 @ 150mm and a -2 degree headset.

    Coming from a 160mm bike, it does what I wanted, now 90% of the ride is better, 10% of gnarly -marginally- worse. On the 160mm it was all a bit un-fun and tame except on the 10% gnarly.
    I miss bombing the 10% gnarly, so I wish I had a carbon Patrol - ha!

    As a fun bike - great
    As a race bike - maybe miss 160mm but my personal times are comparable


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