Lets see those blindside v5's!
Starting with mine, got a great deal on a new 2011 raw medium and just finished building it up:
Rockshox domain RC 180
halo combat rims/Transition,Hope hubs (built by me), spec. Butcher 2.5" tires
slx cranks, 2 x 9 drivetrain
35 mm raceface stem, answer dh handlebar
38 lbs, i think.
Built it up as more of a long-travel, heavy duty do-anything bike i can climb to the top, than a dh-only rig. Which I think is Transition's intention with the current iteration of this frame. Took it out for a spin today, kept it mellow as im still getting over a bad cold and still feeling out of it. Considering how plush the suspension is on the dh, Im surprised by how well it pedals, at least as good as the '08 Bullit (cracked rear triangle) it replaced. But this bike is lower and slacker:thumbsup: Glad to join the transition family, I think I made a good choice.
Bike looks awesome! I hope to have one soon!
Here my 2011 Blindside. With Angleset -1,5 deg.
16,4 kg with single ply tires. :thumbsup:
I've seen one BS on my local XC trails (only a few trails are suited to it & even then, the BS is more bike than needed) owned by a rider who was from out-of-town. I was amazed at how much more burly it looks in person than the pics online. He said his bike was 40lbs...
Nice, guys! I'm seriously considering one right now (2012/raw/small).
Though I'm usually not the one to count the pounds, it's amazing that you guys came out 36~38lbs. My v.1 BR weighs 40lbs. Moving almost everything over, I think I'll end up at 40lbs again, 'cause the frame+shock weights are pretty much the same (about 10lbs).
If anyone got an '12 model with 142mm x 12mm, please let me know if you can use rear Maxle.
By the way, just to reconfirm, v5/2011 has the same travel option as 2012 (7"/7.5"), not as v4/2010 (6.7"/7.5"), right?
Also, how exactly does the "chip" for travel option work? Is it top/longer vs bottom/shorter option?
mines a vf5/2011 aqnd its 7/7.5. i run it in the 7" mode witha 7" fork, too many pedal strikes in the 7.5". if i ever run a dc fork ill switch the travel. the lower hole is the 7", and its written on the chip. the difference bw 2011/2012 is the rear dropout option, but i forget the specifics.
zero-stack bottom headset: Will Totem's Mission Control adjuster knob hitt downtube?
I'm also thinking about a Totem coil for it (still shopping/browsing for an used one) and a Cane Creek 40-series headset. If I end up with a tapered steertube, the bottom headset will be EC49 (1.5"; 12mm/height) only. If I end up with a 1-1/8" steertube, the bottom headset can be EC49 (Conversion; 12mm/height) or ZS49 (1-1/8"; 4mm/height).
I think ZS top/bottom setup would give a pretty clean look (just like my current BottleRocket, or sorta like firevsh2o's pix above but without the angle offset), while the 8mm stack height difference only affecting maybe about 1/3 of a degree(?) at most if any. But what I'm concerned with ZS/bottom is whether Totem's Mission Control adjuster knob will hit the downtube or not...? (I've heard/read about this before about Totem here & there.) :confused:
Anyone has any ideas/guesses on that? Thanks.
7"-travel & 135mm/QR
On that note, what do you guys on v5/2011 think about a 135mm x 10mm QR rear axle for a 7"-travel frame? Is it adequate for a 7"-travel frame & for where it's designed to be ridden? :confused:
Originally Posted by dwyooaj
It's just that I've never had any frames more than 5"~6"-travel before, and I've never had anything but a 135mm/QR axle, either; hence my asking.:blush: Considering my 5.55"-travel v1 BR is with 135mm/QR, and I've not had any issues sending it. So, just wondering about it when it becomes 7"-travel.
The v5/2011 currently on closeout at $1,359/USD is certainly attractive. In contrast, the $1,599/USD 2012 ("v6"?) comes with 142mm x 12mm thru-axle dropouts (right & left) by default. It has an option to go 135mm x 10mm QR, but you have to purchase additional dropouts separately from their online store. ($30/right + $30/left = $60.) Swapping '12 chainstays on '11 frame later isn't allowed.
Planning to place an order by the end of this week, and just trying to close in on remaining thoughts. (Thanks for all your comments helping me out here.)
I was worried about the stiffnes in the rear, but there is really no problem. I weight about 200 lbs and I really feel no disturbing rearend flex. My Nukeproof Mega with 135x12 through axle feels flexier. (but it is a bit lighter)
Originally Posted by PiroChu
mine with the 135 10 mm Transition quick-release thru-axle is plenty stiff, and I weigh #215
DHX RC4 setup tips w/ Blindside
I just got my small/raw delivered today. Can't start building it yet (fork not yet arrived), but just wanted to see what you guys are doing with shock setup on v5 Blindside with DHX RC4 as a starting-point reference.
No bottom-out turns?
air/.psi = rider weight/lbs (eg. 165psi/air = 165lbs/rider)
2011/v5 Blindside: just out of box
So, my 2011/v5 Blindside (small/raw) just arrived today. I don't get to start building it for a few more days until the fork arrives, but it's super cool. (It really is just like a bigger brother of my 2007/v1 BottleRocket small/raw, which is exactly what I wanted.)
Though I usually like the 'naked' look (no stickers on my raw BR), I really like these silver-logo stickers on the raw Blindside. :thumbsup: I think I'll keep 'em on this time.
Some numbers from my scales...
- The 2011/v5 Blindside small frame weighs 7lbs 14oz (incl., drlr hanger, shock bolts, cable guides).
- The 2011 Fox DHX RC4 Coil (incl. reducers) with a 400#x2.80" coil spring (405g) weighs 857g.
- The package weighs 9lbs 12oz.
Super-stoked! That's it for now. More pix later (upon finish building). ;)
nice! cant wait to see it built up. Now i have a rockshox vivid on mine; with the rc4 I had a #400 spring in the 7" setting (i weigh #215 geared up), had the bottom out just shy of 2 turns in and about 165 psi, and rebound 4-5 clicks out from fully closed, seemed to work well. IMO, the Vivid really made the suspension come alive, with more square-edge bump compliance and better rebound tuning, but at the expense of pedaling.
faced BB & headtube?
Did you guys get the BB shell & headtube faced, before installing BB & headset? If not, any issues with BB/headset aligning or creaking so far? Just wondering (& "practically" speaking) if I should get that done at a shop first, or just start building as-is.
I didnt get mine faced, and havent had any problems. No creaking while pedaling (something which has afflicted all my santa cruz's !)
My bad, i was guessing at the weight of mine at the time. Finally weighed it, and I underestimated; its 40.5 lbs!
Originally Posted by PiroChu
Mine came out to right at 38 pounds(bathroom scale method). Here is the link to the build thread:
my v5/2011 Blindside (raw, small): 40lbs 10oz
Just finished building it all up last night, and finally here are some pix.
Mine came out to be 40lbs 10oz (which is 6oz heavier than my BR per fork difference).
Thanks again for all your feedback/answers here for my Blindside journey. I can't wait to take it out this weekend! :thumbsup:
very nice! cant wait to het a totem on mine. the polished lowers look so good with the polished frame. Btw, you asked me about my derailleur setting.. its also mounted just a hair higher than the lowest it can go. What cranks are those?
I just had 2 test rides (one All-Mtn, then one FR), and this is what I got so far...
Originally Posted by PiroChu
* sag with 400lbs spring: 0.59"/2.75"=21.6%
* bottom out force adjust boost valve: 150psi
* bottom out progressivness: 0 turns
* low-speed compression: 7 clicks in (from fully open)
* high-speed compression: 0 click in (from fully open)
* rebound: 7 clicks in (from fully open)
* spring preload: 1 turn
Started off at 140psi, and went up to 150psi. (I can also try 160psi, just for the heck of it.) I have no high-speed compression. Fox online reads to have HS as low as possible without bottoming. Well, I sorta got that, but wasn't quite expecting to get that with 0 clicks, though... Will play around on HS a bit next ride.
Also, here's just to share some info I found on Google search...
Someone on PinkBike put together some good general suspension-setup info...
Suspension SETUP, a 'how to' guide... - Pinkbike Forum
Within that thread, there's a link to this Fox DHX (Air) info...
DHX Air Tech
... which has great pop-up info of (a) "Boost 101" info, and (b) "Bottom Out Control".
---> Check out the 2nd & 4th page of (b), which shows the bottom-out-force curves!!
Also, I found this shock setup info for Evil Revolt 8" DH bike...
... in which it reads that boost psi "will change the starting point of bottom end ramp"!!
Just as another setup reference point, I found this for Trek Scratch (170mm) bike...
... which recommends 160psi (vs 130psi for Revolt).
Just called Fox, and confirmed that above is true (about the starting point). He also said that the above curve is for bottom-out only (influenced by turns & psi). For high-speed compression, he explained that the curve/line is separately on a different graph, and it looks horizontal, going up/down vertically with compression clicks. I told the Fox guy about my zero HS compression, and he said nothing wrong with it as long as I like the feel (which I do). Called Transition, and they said I should be using a bit of compression dampening (w/ lighter coil), and also said that my sag is a bit low for Blindside. Fox says one can reach the same results from both directions ("lighter spring & more compression" vs "heavier spring & less compression").
21.6% sag is ,low. which travel setting, and how much do u weigh?
my Blindside at Black Rock
Just got back from a short road trip to Black Rock (my 1st time there); one day to drive, 3 days to ride, another day to drive back. Despite being my only 4th~6th rides on it, my Blindside did great! :thumbsup:
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nice vid! btw a totem is on mine right now; got a great deal on a barely used 2011 coil rc2dh.