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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    I want a Covert 29 or prime, and I expect the bike to under perform on the uphill, but this compromise should provide for faster and more stable rides downhill.
    FWIW, the Covert 29 is the best climbing FS frame I've ever owned. (That would number about 12 - 15 frames, both 26" and 29".) I have no problem with it "underperforming" on any climb.

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    Earthpig, what's your take on people blowing through travel?

    I sure like the way the covert looks, much nicer than the prime IMO.

    are they doing a carbon 29? Or just a 26?

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    Thought I'd post a pic of my new ride. I bought this to replace an Intense tracer 29 that cracked on the seat tube. Having spent a lot of cash on parts, I looked for a frame that I could transfer them onto with the least incompatibility. The Transition Covert 29 came out as a good option so a quick search followed and the reviews of Transition as a company and the 26inch covert had me sold. Next day, I had a large on its way.
    I've only had one ride so far and some minor adjustments are required to the stem height and shock but it seemed like a decent climber with less pedal bob than I anticipated for a single pivot design. covert 29er-image.jpg
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    I didn't have any problems blowing through travel, but before I stole the components off my Covert for another build, my problem was that the back end felt too stiff. I have all the parts to rebuild it except the 150mm Pike and a front tire. It's not really riding season around here (trails are a goopy, muddy mess of desert clay that turns to concrete when it dries - and riding them is a no-no), but I can't wait to get the thing rebuilt and rideable.

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    Thanks Earthpig, but I ended up getting a Banshee Prime, partly due to cost ($1,570 shipped w/CC DBair) and mostly due to the longer top tube. I rode a transition trans am 29 for a few months and always felt like I was way too far forward for my liking due to the short top tube.

    I still think the covert 29 is gorgeous though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Thanks Earthpig, but I ended up getting a Banshee Prime, partly due to cost ($1,570 shipped w/CC DBair) and mostly due to the longer top tube. I rode a transition trans am 29 for a few months and always felt like I was way too far forward for my liking due to the short top tube.

    I still think the covert 29 is gorgeous though!
    Can't go wrong with a Banshee - the frame I moved my components over to from my C29 is a Banshee Paradox! (Which I love, and which will remain in my stable even after the Covert is rebuilt.)

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    Recently put a Pike 150 on mine, no complaints from me this bike is dialed now!
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    If it ever stops snowing

    Just got this to replace my Bandit 29
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    It might get a little steep from here

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    This is my latest play toy, built up from a 26" enduro with 160mm pikes and Carbon Wheels, She's light, fast and very agile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tickle View Post
    Recently put a Pike 150 on mine, no complaints from me this bike is dialed now!
    Nice looking bike. How does it handle with the 150 as opposed to a 140 fork? My C29 is currently being built up with that same fork.

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    Thx, not the best pic, the stealth black with blue highlights looks sharp in person tho

    Handling wise it feels about the same, not sure how much taller the Pike is compared to the Revelation but it slackened the HA 1/2 degree or so probably. What I noticed most was the stiffness thru the chunky stuff. I always thought the Rev was plenty stiff but I can feel a diff with the Pike, not huge but noticable in certain cond's.

    The other thing I noticed is the fork feels plusher at the top of the stroke while more progressive farther into the travel. The fork seems to ride higher in the travel overall which is good thing. I've only done a handful of rides on the Pike with winter and all so still dialing it in but it's a better fork for this bike for sure. Glad I choose the 150 version too as the 160 would of been too much for trail riding.

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    the Pike 150 is awesome on this Bike, and the Covert is awesome too
    the more i ride, the more i like it. It's so versatile!

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    I'm taking mine to a uplift day Friday to try out the 160mm pikes, handles so well, it's converting a lot of 26" nay sayers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tickle View Post
    Thx, not the best pic, the stealth black with blue highlights looks sharp in person tho

    Handling wise it feels about the same, not sure how much taller the Pike is compared to the Revelation but it slackened the HA 1/2 degree or so probably. What I noticed most was the stiffness thru the chunky stuff. I always thought the Rev was plenty stiff but I can feel a diff with the Pike, not huge but noticable in certain cond's.

    The other thing I noticed is the fork feels plusher at the top of the stroke while more progressive farther into the travel. The fork seems to ride higher in the travel overall which is good thing. I've only done a handful of rides on the Pike with winter and all so still dialing it in but it's a better fork for this bike for sure. Glad I choose the 150 version too as the 160 would of been too much for trail riding.
    I have the same color frame, so I'm partial to the gunmetal gray and blue.

    I've read that the 150mm Pike is about 561mm from axle to crown, which would definitely result in a half degree slackened head and seat angle. I'm going from a 548mm Reba with 140mm of travel, which I think is about the same as the Revelation (maybe slightly shorter.) When I first built the bike last year, I thought about a half degree slacker angles would be nice for a bike of this type. I've read nothing but good things about the Pike so far - it seems to be the "hot component" for the Enduro/All Mountain/Whatever category. I agree that 160 would be too much fork. Did you go with the 51mm offset or the "regular" offset?

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    Regular offset as there was no choice, and even then I had to wait 3 months for them to arrive!

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    Yeah I got the regular offset as well, I talked with my shop about that when I bought the fork. Since I liked the handling with the Rev and the 150 pike was close it made more sense. They did say the 51 offset would of been a good option if I went with the 160 travel tho, guess the handling might benefit with the slacker HA? Lots of E speculation there I think.

    Another reason I went with the 150 was I didn't want to increase the wheelbase, I measured it before and after and it's damn close.

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    I think too much is made of minute differences. 20mm on travel which isn't even a full 20mm once sag is taken into consideration. Head angle I think is @ most 1 degree different. And as such the wheel base will be minutely increased.
    The other reason I went for 160's is future proofing as I tend to change frames quite often. If they end up doing a carbon version for instance ill certainty consider.

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    I could feel a slight diff when I first rode the Pike, a full degree slacker is definitely noticable. If I had gone with the 160 and 51 offset option it would of increased the wheelbase an inch I bet, that's not minute in my opinion. One of the reasons I went with the Covert is the tight wheelbase, a good inch shorter than other XL size bikes in this category, makes for a more agile ride and not feel like a DH sled

    BTW, you can buy diff air spring shafts for the Pike to change the travel, I heard $40 I think. I might get a 160 air spring when I go to the bike park this season.

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    I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a 150mm Pike for mine but not sure about what offset to get . I called Transition and they said 51mm why did you guys go with the 46mm?
    It might get a little steep from here

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    Mine handles fine with the 46 offset but I guess the 51 might make for slightly quicker steering? I went with the standard offset cause that's what my Revelation had and I liked the handling with that fork, wanted to keep things the same I guess.

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    I got in the first ride yesterday with the 150 Pike (standard offset) plus a new XT drivetrain, new XT brakes, new bar, new carbon wheelset, etc... Bottom line - I think this frame was absolutely MADE for the 150mm Pike. Noticeable improvement in fit, handling, and stability over the 140mm Reba. No more "over the bars" or "too far forward" feeling on the bike. No back pain. Handling/stability went from slightly twitchy and unpredictable to spot on. If'n I were Transition, I'd think about using this fork as an option in a stock build. The change from 140mm to 150 on the front end took a solid 4 star bike to a 5 star bike.

    Would the 51mm offset be more helpful? I don't know and I don't care. Maybe if your riding featured a ton of super twisty tight switchbacks. However, I was able to set a new PR on a downhill section yesterday that features...twisty, tight, narrow singletrack.
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    Nice build!, but maybe your not giving enough credit to the high tech "cock & balls" susp

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    I like that build ^^^^

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    Covert 29 owners - how are you liking the bike?

    What bike did you more from?

    How does it climb? Is it really a good do it all bike? Trail and light park riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Covert 29 owners - how are you liking the bike?

    What bike did you more from?

    How does it climb? Is it really a good do it all bike? Trail and light park riding?
    Second season in and I'm still happy with the bike, less so with the Fox squishy bits. Never liked the action of either the fork (Float 34 140mm) or the stock shock, which I had Push'd last season.

    Happily, this weekend will be my last on Fox as my CCDBA CS and 150mm Dual Position Pike arrive!

    Ride report to come....
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    Loving the bike, fast agile and surprisingly easy to pedal. I'm finding that it's making me a much better rider. Hit the park last night and was doing jumps in the trails that normally I just roll.

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    Took the Tranny out with the new CCDBA CS and Pike DP 150mm yesterday. Rode Centennial Cone (technically easy, but long) and it was basically a new bike. Small bumps were gone. In fact, the small little square-edged rocks that would've hung me up before were rolled right over. I had to check my rear wheel air-pressure because the sensation was akin to riding with not enough air.

    Both shocks also feel much, much more progressive than the Fox's.

    When it came to climbing it was another big win. Switch the CS on and drop the fork to 120mm and it's a XC bike!

    Seriously, transformational!!!
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    I love the new Covert 29 vid on Transition's site.

    https://www.transitionbikes.com/2014...iew.cfm?B=1442

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    I always felt the susp was well balanced with the Revelation 140 I had on the bike before, but since I put the Pike on the rear susp has felt a little overwhelmed at times. I thought maybe I still needed to dial in the fork to match the rear but now I think it's due to the Pike being more progressive. Might need to have the rear shock tuned to match the Pike??

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    Here are a few pics of the latest (and hopefully final) build. She tips the scales at a portly 34.5 lbs, but it's a small price to pay for a bomb-proof rig.





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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Covert 29 owners - how are you liking the bike?

    What bike did you more from?

    How does it climb? Is it really a good do it all bike? Trail and light park riding?
    I love my Covert 29, especially (only?) with the Pike 150. Mine is pictured above. Never mind the downhill performance, which is way above average - I'm simply amazed at how well this bike climbs. No fancy, schmancy suspension design, weighs a good 32 lbs, yet it climbs like an XC bike (no lie. I'm not prone to hyperbole.) It feels a bit "long" at times (that's what she said) when the going gets tight and twisty, but since the trails locally are more of the wide open, go-as-fast-as-you-dare, try to break 35 mph sort, the Covert is awesome.

    Similar bikes I had previously were the Bandit 29 (1st generation) and a RIP 9 (third generation, 2012 model.) The Bandit was always felt just a bit too big (XL frame; I'm a shade over 6' tall) and the RIP never felt "right." The Bandit also had a lower BB, which resulted in more than a few pedal strikes. The Covert just feels "right" for a 29'er with 140mm of travel. I also ride a second generation Jet 9 RDO on a regular basis, and I'd say that the Covert 29, while a totally different kind of bike, is every bit its equal in the fun department at a FAR lower price point.

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    jmontroy- so you had the fox shock tuned and still didn't like it?, what didn't you like about it?? I'm trying to decide if I should get the mine tuned or try something diff like a Rock shox Monarch to match the Pike.

    This bike is a ton of fun I agree, best full travel play bike I've owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tickle View Post
    jmontroy- so you had the fox shock tuned and still didn't like it?, what didn't you like about it?? I'm trying to decide if I should get the mine tuned or try something diff like a Rock shox Monarch to match the Pike.

    This bike is a ton of fun I agree, best full travel play bike I've owned.
    Take a look at the SSD upgrade from Avalanche racing for that CTD. It will make that rear shock sing. I had the CTD from my Bandit done and it was awesome. The CTD on my Covert 29 is off to Craig in a few days for the mod.

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    X01 1x11 update

    I know, this is an old thread about a discontinued bike with a suspension system that has since been abandoned by Transition. Whatever, I still love this bike, so I updated it with SRAM X01 drivetrain and X0 Trail brakes. Finally free of any Shimano components.


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    I grabbed a XL Stealth Black from from Pricepoint this morning with the 15% off and free shipping for about $985. Looking forward to building it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombin4X View Post
    I grabbed a XL Stealth Black from from Pricepoint this morning with the 15% off and free shipping for about $985. Looking forward to building it up.
    BIG score, you're gonna love it!

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    Great bike, still loving mine but want a carbon alternative for racing that can still take 160 up front that isn't a tallboy? Suggestions?

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    Update

    Hey Bulldozer27, nice update

    I still love my Covert too, so I've just made a couple of updates. Fox 36 Float 150mm up front, Cane Creek Double Barrel Air CS in the back. Can't wait for that first proper ride....

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    I'm curious to hear how that CCDB works out

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    I've been keeping a close eye on the huge sale PricePoint has been having, as I have been wanting to pick up either a Transition Bandit 29 frame or a Covert 29 frame. I've been on the fence since the bikes are different animals. One has 120mm travel and the other 140mm. They were both going for $1099. Yesterday PricePoint raised the price of the Bandit to $1199. Today they LOWERED the price of the Covert to $899!!!!!

    I figured they won't last long at that price and that was all the motivation I needed to pull the trigger! I just ordered my new Covert frame! Should have it built up in a couple weeks! Can't wait!

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    Yeah they're discounting them over here too as the newmodels are out but are all short travel and I think they're missing a trick

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    Good job! CCDB Air CS

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer27 View Post
    I'm curious to hear how that CCDB works out
    Only two rides in, but this shock makes an amazing difference to the bike. I bought mine from TF Tuned, who set the shock up to suit my weight and riding style. It's a pretty good attempt, I'm happy with the setup, except that I might add a little LSC. Anyway, the shock! The Float CTD feels like a toy by comparison. My initial thought was, "This feels like a coil shock"….later thought was that it feels like the Covert has somehow gained another 20mm rear travel. Very controlled, plus I've stopped having that shouldn't-be-riding-this-hard-on-a-140mm-bike feeling. On rocky downhills, it really felt like the CCDB Coils I've run on a couple of my bikes. Bottomless, controlled....fast.

    As for the Climb Switch, it works a treat. I rode the same circuit twice, once with the CS off, once with it on. The route starts with a 6km rocky climb, so a good place to test this. With the CS off, climbing was ok, but felt like it was riding a little low in the travel, hence my "more LSC" comment. I also had quite a few (6-7) pedal strikes, which is unusual for the Covert. With the CS on, the bike felt buoyed-up in it's travel, but the suspension was definitely still doing it's thing - it was a pleasure to climb in this setting. In comparison to the the Float CTD in "C" setting, it's something of a revelation. I never bothered using the "C" setting on the Fox, because it felt so bad, it just hampered climbing on anything but fireroads. Pedal strikes - only one this time, entirely my fault.

    Summary - I'd say do it!

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    Thanks for the detailed summary!

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    One of the last Covert 29ers? Recently built up my frame that I got from Pricepoint.com. I absolutely love this bike! Built it up with a Fox TALAS just to have the option of switching the travel down for extended climbs. Necessary? Not really. But still nice to have the option. She's truly a quiver killer for me with this set up.

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    I'm not super fond of the mess of cables up front. Dropper post remote and fork remote are added to the usual mess. But, function over form any day and it's not like I'm entering her in any beauty contests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer27 View Post
    BIG score, you're gonna love it!
    About 5 rides on the new bike. LOVE IT. I'll try to post a good pic.
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    does anyone one know the max fork size the bike can handle? can a 160mm work?

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    I have been using a 160 pike since last Xmas, awesome

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    I love my covert. Its one of the funnest bike I've ridden. Its fast up and down if you push it, I don't mind the weight. I'm pretty big at 230, but once I got the fox bits dialed in, the bike crushes trail. Perfect bike for my PNW riding arena! I'm sold on the tractor tire bikes now. Those big wheels roll. Its fast and loves corners. Jumps feel natural too. Its a great bike, get one if you find a deal.

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    Greetings everyone. Just wanted to stick this out there. Purchased a covert 29 Large Amber a few weeks back and I'm loving it. Pulled the parts off of my Trans AM and it feels like the same bike.......with a rear shock obviously.

    Cut to today, taking a relatively slow off camber jump, I landed and immediately ate dirt. Got up and my front wheel (arch EX) was almost Pringle shaped. What to do, on July 4th weekend? Threw take offs from my wife's 5010 on.

    Bottom bracket height with 2.25 and 2.35 ardent and high roller respectively is within 1/8th of an inch of her 5010.

    Just putting it out there if anyone has thought of trying it. Fatter tires would be awesome though.

    Pics coming.

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    Last week was a sad day for my Covert. The chain stay broke. I hope I get a new on as soon as possible.

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    Blimey, how?

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    It's just happened when I was riding on not so technial trails. So probably there have been a crack in the chain stay.

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    Just joined the club. Was missing the travel of my old Giant Reign that I sold to build a Salsa Big Mama and join the wagon wheel party.

    Found one of the "ProBuild" bikes in L on Pricepoint for a very reasonable price and scooped it up after doing some research. It sounds like the bike to give me everything I'm missing from that Reign, plus all the advantages of 29" wheels.

    After reading about some owners upgrading the shock with larger air spring spacers I also read that some found the larger spacer (middle in the set) already in the shock. Does this indicate that some bikes left the factory with an adequate spacer and others with maybe a smaller spacer and this led to some loving it and others finding it blowing through the travel?

    As the spacer kit is cheap and the job is easy, I guess I'll find out. Cane Creek is always a fall back, just don't want to if I don't have to.

    At 6'1" and ~250, I'm a candidate for needing the air spring right for my size.

    Looking forward to getting the bike, moving the Eten, Mary bars and Spinergy wheels from the Salsa to the Covert, then I'll be hitting the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridenfool View Post
    Just joined the club. Was missing the travel of my old Giant Reign that I sold to build a Salsa Big Mama and join the wagon wheel party.

    Found one of the "ProBuild" bikes in L on Pricepoint for a very reasonable price and scooped it up after doing some research. It sounds like the bike to give me everything I'm missing from that Reign, plus all the advantages of 29" wheels.

    After reading about some owners upgrading the shock with larger air spring spacers I also read that some found the larger spacer (middle in the set) already in the shock. Does this indicate that some bikes left the factory with an adequate spacer and others with maybe a smaller spacer and this led to some loving it and others finding it blowing through the travel?

    As the spacer kit is cheap and the job is easy, I guess I'll find out. Cane Creek is always a fall back, just don't want to if I don't have to.

    At 6'1" and ~250, I'm a candidate for needing the air spring right for my size.

    Looking forward to getting the bike, moving the Eten, Mary bars and Spinergy wheels from the Salsa to the Covert, then I'll be hitting the trails.
    Hate to burst your bubble on the shock but the fox ctd is one of the worst I've ever ridden. My Covert 26 came with one, swapped to a non debonair monarch after 3 rides which was a massive improvement. Eventually went to a cc dB inline and never looked back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollertoaster View Post
    Hate to burst your bubble on the shock but the fox ctd is one of the worst I've ever ridden. My Covert 26 came with one, swapped to a non debonair monarch after 3 rides which was a massive improvement. Eventually went to a cc dB inline and never looked back.

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    Did you change out the air spring spacer to a larger size, or, just give up and buy something else?

    For $34 the Fox spacer kit will be my first change before abandoning the shock. Might consider sending it to PUSH. It's not like Fox is new to suspension, they just have a lot of ways to tune their shocks and the bike manufacturer might not take advantage of that during frame assembly.

    I've read good things about the DB and had a CC shock years ago on a Giant NRS that I liked quite a bit.

    Thanks for the feedback on your experience.

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    I put on a monarch plus debonair last fall and it transformed the ride, I'm running more sag than I ever have before cause it has so much mid stroke support. Much nicer pedaling platform but it feels pillow soft off the top of the stroke, odd sensation honestly never felt it before.

    I hope the frame holds up cause I got this bike dialed might try a 1x drivetrain but otherwise it's money

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridenfool View Post
    Did you change out the air spring spacer to a larger size, or, just give up and buy something else?

    For $34 the Fox spacer kit will be my first change before abandoning the shock. Might consider sending it to PUSH. It's not like Fox is new to suspension, they just have a lot of ways to tune their shocks and the bike manufacturer might not take advantage of that during frame assembly.

    I've read good things about the DB and had a CC shock years ago on a Giant NRS that I liked quite a bit.

    Thanks for the feedback on your experience.
    The ctd is one of the worst shocks ever made. I wasn't about to spend any money on it when I had a perfectly good monarch plus to swap out

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollertoaster View Post
    The ctd is one of the worst shocks ever made. I wasn't about to spend any money on it when I had a perfectly good monarch plus to swap out
    So, um, that would be a "no" then? To the question of whether you tried to fine tune the shock.

    It seems to review about middle of the road, with some loving it, some hating it, and some having fixed it to their satisfaction. Many reviews I read went into some detail about their experience.

    I'll give it a whirl, as it is there already, and I don't have another to replace it, unless the shock on my Salsa has the same dimensions.

    It is new and under warranty, so I have that avenue to pursue if there are issues. There are a number of options to consider beyond ponying up $550 for the Cane Creek without giving the Fox a chance, based only upon your opinion and a smattering of poor reviews among as many others with better experiences.

    Your opinion is appreciated, even if it falls short on detail enough for me to discern whether you already had another shock that you liked better and would have swapped it out anyway, or, had issues, tried to work with Fox or a suspension expert to fix them and then chose another shock only after doing so. I'm left thinking it was the former rather than the latter.

    Given that you had a ready option that didn't cost anything to implement I would likely make the same choice in that circumstance. I don't have that option, so, I'm looking for feedback from those who have taken time to get their problems sorted without a major upgrade.

    I hope you can see how repeatedly writing how you feel that "The CTD is one of the worst shocks ever made" doesn't help much as far as constructive dialogue might go.

    Glad you got your bike sorted to your liking.
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    Took it out for first dirt and to begin dialing in the suspension. Overall I am very pleased with this bike.

    This one came from PricePoint with an X-Fusion Trace RL2 fork. Their chart indicates a starting pressure for my weight at 110 psi for 220+. That was too harsh, even with my 250 lbs. on the bike. Over about ten miles of trail I have rolled it down to 80 psi and will likely go another five or ten lower. It is getting dialed in.

    The Float CTD I'm still adding air to trying to find the right balance. More adjustment to be done there. Initially set it up as per Fox recommendations for 20% sag. That was found at 190 psi and on the trail it was a little squishy. The o-ring was hitting 90% travel pretty easily. Bumped it up to 210 lbs. and the feel is a little better. I may need to swap out a spacer in the air chamber to get a more progressive feel. Overall I like the shock. It is compliant and doing a fine job tracking the irregularities in the trail.

    This bike climbs amazingly well. Loving the 2 x 10 and the derailleur clutch. No problems at all, though I have a Blackburn Stinger coming to act as insurance to avoid chain drops. Also moving a rock ring over from the Big Mama.

    As per suggestions in this thread I re-routed the front derailleur cable to come in from above, using the dropper cable tie points on the frame. This seems much better than having the rear wheel throw grit into the open end facing up. Also did a reroute of the rear derailleur cable to take some of the bends out by bringing it up the right side using the now abandoned cable attach points for the OEM front derailleur, crossing the frame under the forward shock mount, then tying to the front attach on the left with the rear brake cable. Much nicer.

    I wish there was a little more seat tube in the frame. As it is I lifted the seat to the 'do not go any further' line on the post and was still an inch and a half short for my 34" inseam.

    The cockpit felt very natural and the Large frame clicked on all other points. I may need to cut down the bars a little, or, move my Mary's from the Big Mama. Those are some comfortable bars.

    This is a fun bike to ride, it makes it easy to be smooth whether following the line or missing it and going over a root or rut. It is very stable and just keeps on rolling.

    Makes me wonder why Transition decided to discontinue it, and FS 29ers in general.

    Glad to have joined the Covert 29 party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridenfool View Post
    So, um, that would be a "no" then? To the question of whether you tried to fine tune the shock.

    It seems to review about middle of the road, with some loving it, some hating it, and some having fixed it to their satisfaction. Many reviews I read went into some detail about their experience.

    I'll give it a whirl, as it is there already, and I don't have another to replace it, unless the shock on my Salsa has the same dimensions.

    It is new and under warranty, so I have that avenue to pursue if there are issues. There are a number of options to consider beyond ponying up $550 for the Cane Creek without giving the Fox a chance, based only upon your opinion and a smattering of poor reviews among as many others with better experiences.

    Your opinion is appreciated, even if it falls short on detail enough for me to discern whether you already had another shock that you liked better and would have swapped it out anyway, or, had issues, tried to work with Fox or a suspension expert to fix them and then chose another shock only after doing so. I'm left thinking it was the former rather than the latter.

    Given that you had a ready option that didn't cost anything to implement I would likely make the same choice in that circumstance. I don't have that option, so, I'm looking for feedback from those who have taken time to get their problems sorted without a major upgrade.

    I hope you can see how repeatedly writing how you feel that "The CTD is one of the worst shocks ever made" doesn't help much as far as constructive dialogue might go.

    Glad you got your bike sorted to your liking.
    I did not even bother reducing the air volume because the shock had absolutely no compression dampening in the open position, in the trail position it was spikey. I pulled it off immediately so that I could sell it without putting a ton of hours on it. I do know that for me the ctd was a lost cause, maybe not everyone feels that way. I'm extremely sensitive to underperforming suspension, so much so that the monarch I once revered (now the debonair version) was pulled off my Nomad 3 in short order to make way for a bos void which I got in a trade.

    Sorry for my previous short reply, I just hope you are able to find an acceptable level of performance in the ctd.

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    Yeah I routed both front and rear shifting on drive side of frame, front runs along top tube down to der and rear routes directly along down tube to the chainstay, much smoother shifting.

    I think Transition drank the new skool geometry koolaid, you know the "design a frame around running a 35mm stem" koolaid

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    Getting the "lost cause" "worst shock ever" dialed in nicely. The CTD seems to work pretty well, now that I'm in the ballpark on the pressure. I may go with a larger volume air spacer eventually, just to feel the difference. For now I've got it to where it isn't bottoming, and, it is soaking up everything the trail throws at it. Still fiddling with the settings both on the front and the rear until I get it where I like it. This is usually a time consuming endeavor for me, whether on mountain bike or motorcycle. I like it when the suspension makes riding rough stuff easy by keeping the tires in contact with the trail. For me, it has always been worth the trouble of learning the equipment and how to make it work the way the engineers designed it. Some people don't have the patience for tuning, and, they don't get the same results. Go figure.

    The Covert 29 rails turns like a 26" bike. Still pushing toward the edge of the comfort zone on each ride, and, finding myself still quite comfortable.

    Only have about 30 miles of trail behind me on the Covert so far. It usually takes about a hundred on an MTB to get things like suspension and fit sorted to my liking.

    I'm pretty happy with the change in cable routing. It shifts easily and now the front housing won't fill up with crud.

    Not so happy with the short seat tube. Does anyone else find their seatpost danger line an inch or so above the clamp to get the right fit? It looks like there is enough reinforcement with that GT-ish triangle to provide adequate strength, but, they could have made the tube an inch or two longer.

    This bike is panning out to be a great value and a ton of fun to ride.

    Thanks again to all those who contributed constructive dialogue to the thread, many of those useful tidbits have been invaluable.

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    I'm 6'2" and ride an XL, fit is good I have shorter legs/longer torso for my height. I would say at your height your on the border between the L and XL, so it makes sense your running extra post. I would try a 425mm post, dropper post for sure , you could break the post or the frame at the gusset on the TT/ST junction.

    On the shock, I initially ran a 140 Revelation fork and felt the susp was well balanced with CTD shock. It worked fine but was a tad harsh on smaller stuff cause I was running less sag and I kept it in trail mode cause the open mode was way too soft for my liking. Then I upgraded to Pike fork and felt the rear susp was being overwhelmed. The Pike is more progressive and the susp no longer felt balanced, I tried messing with settings but no luck. Bought a Monarch plus last fall and it's a good match for the Pike fork, much better mid stroke support and I can get away with 30%+ sag which gives a nice supple feel for the smaller chatter type stuff while still providing a solid pedaling platform. Essentially the bike rides higher in the travel now and doesn't blow thru on bigger hits.

    Susp setup is so subjective, honestly most of the time my experience is opposite of what I read here, but I prefer a firmer setup while most seem to like the uber plush setup.

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    I know what you mean about balanced. Trying to get the fork to flow over stuff like the shock does at this point. The L frame feels very good as far as fit in the cockpit. very natural. My 34" inseam is raising the dropper to where it has 4" in the seat tube. The bottom of the post is in just past the top of the top tube, so should be pretty well braced. Even if I had it in to the mark on the seat post the bottom of the post would not go in as far as the bottom of the top tube. A two to three inch longer post might offer more strength. Having broke a frame once, Giant NRS, from too long a post, I am aware of how the leverage can put some stress on the frame. This one isn't too bad compared to the setup that broke the NRS. Where I ride, the uber plush feel is my favorite as it keeps the tire planted for consistent traction. Stiffen the suspension too far and it doesn't follow the terrain here as well. I'm down to 80 psi in the fork and will be trying 75. Haven't bottomed it yet. Weird that the manual says it should have 120psi for someone thirty pounds less than my weight (highest setting indicated). In the scheme of balance the bike is feeling very good, and should improve as I tweak things. Got to order the Fox Air Spring Spacer kit for the shock because it is so easy to change the spacer, might as well play with it some. A little more progressive back there might balance it up with the fork as it is.

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    Glad to see this thread has been revived. I just ordered an XL in matte white for $650 shipped from Price Point!!! I really couldn't pass up that deal. The shock alone would be around half that price.
    I have my Foes Mutz full suspension fatty listed on eBay and I've been trying to decide what direction to go, aggressive 29er or 27.5plus bike. Seeing the price on this frame made my decision easy.
    Now the real question, has anybody tried putting 27.5 plus wheels on this frame? Thinking 2.8" tires as clearance looks a bit tight. My other choice of wheels is a 29x30 or 35mm rim with a 2.4 rear and 2.5 front tire. After riding with 4" tires for almost a year I have a hard time with skinny tires.
    Any pics of rear tire clearance?
    I'm planning on going with a Pike or Yari plus with Boost spacing so I will have plenty of wheel/tire options for the front. It's the back I'm curious about.

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    tvan,
    any info on 27+ on the rear? thinking about purchasing on for 27+ also.

    thanks.

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    There's no way a 3"+ tyre would fit in the rear triangle, it's too narrow

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    I fit a 2.5 DHF in the back once for a day at the bike park, had to run it in the big ring only(2x drivetrain) cause the chain would rub in the granny. I could see a 27.5+ fitting but never tried

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    I can see there being issues with tire clearance with a 2x setup. I have a 1x and a 2.4" minion and no issues. I tried my friends plus wheel just to check tire clearance and it was tight but he has 3" tires. I think it really comes down to finding a 2.8" that measures on the smaller side and using a 30-35mm rim. That being said I plan on sticking with 29" wheels for now and building a plus wheelset for next winter.
    The Minion 2.5" DHF up front is awesome! Hooks up amazingly well on all surfaces and is burly enough to go full out into rock gardens and not worry about punctures or ripping the sidewall.
    I don't think the plus tires are good for really agressive riding. They get squirmy when pushed hard and they are too thin.
    I think a good compromise is to run a 2.5" tire with a 35-40mm rim. The tire choices are way better and you end up with a tire volume that is closer to plus size.

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    I now have 5 rides on my Covert 29 and I'm loving it so far. The geometry is perfect for me, I'm 6'2" and have longer legs than torso, riding an XL. The steeper seat tube angle felt perfect right from the start. It really keeps you centered over the bike and helps when climbing. The BB height comes in at 13.5" with the 150mm pike so no issue with pedal strikes. Chai stays could be a bit shorter but that's a compromise when climbing so maybe they are also perfect where they are. The Fox CTD does feel like it blows through the travel when in descend mode but I've found that I prefer riding in trail mode even on downhill sections. I set the sag with lever in trail mode as well to help soften it a tad and I run the trail adjust on softest setting. Not perfect but pretty damn good. I plan on upgrading to the Cane Creek inline in a few weeks to really make this bike perfect.
    I really have not felt more confident on a bike this quickly before. It seems to do everything right. Too bad they discontinued this design, I hope the new ones are as good if not better. Highly recommend this bike if you come across one new or used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvan View Post
    I now have 5 rides on my Covert 29 and I'm loving it so far. The geometry is perfect for me, I'm 6'2" and have longer legs than torso, riding an XL. The steeper seat tube angle felt perfect right from the start. It really keeps you centered over the bike and helps when climbing. The BB height comes in at 13.5" with the 150mm pike so no issue with pedal strikes. Chai stays could be a bit shorter but that's a compromise when climbing so maybe they are also perfect where they are. The Fox CTD does feel like it blows through the travel when in descend mode but I've found that I prefer riding in trail mode even on downhill sections. I set the sag with lever in trail mode as well to help soften it a tad and I run the trail adjust on softest setting. Not perfect but pretty damn good. I plan on upgrading to the Cane Creek inline in a few weeks to really make this bike perfect.
    I really have not felt more confident on a bike this quickly before. It seems to do everything right. Too bad they discontinued this design, I hope the new ones are as good if not better. Highly recommend this bike if you come across one new or used.
    I'll start my build up of a Bandit 29 in the next couple of days. I purchased it through Pricepoint too, since I broke my Niner frame a month ago and it was no longer covered under warranty. Ready to get back on a bike. I'm between 6-6'1" and got the XL as well. It measures out at 21", which is 1" taller than what my Niner was that measured out at 20" as a L. I'm thinking all I will have to do initially is lower the seatpost and maybe mess with the stem in the future.

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