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    New Covert 29 with I9s

    Hi Folks!

    I used this thread when making my decision to pick up the Transition Covert 29 so I thought I would give something back. Reviews were very hard to find and this thread was useful. I ended up with the Transition Covert 29-1. I wasn't able to demo one before riding it but after comparing geomtries to a lot of bikes I was able to ride I ended up with the XL frame. I am coming off of a large 2010 Trek Rumblefish. I was also really comfortable on a large Yeti SB95. The effective top tube on a large Yeti is very close to the XL Covert 29. I am 6'3 with a 33" inseam and the XL is a nice fit. I may switch to a bar with a bit more rise to to get a little more upright but for now its a non-issue.

    I have had a chance to take the bike to a pretty nice bike park in Boone, NC and it absolutely shreds on downhills and jumps. It will get really low around corners and I was able to land into rock gardens with relative disregard. There is a pretty steep and at times technical pedal to the top of the park and it presented no issues climbing (which I was worried about). I had no issue with pedal bob and the "climb" setting on the CTD was probably overkill. The Yeti SB95 definitely climbs better but for my money the Transition is an all around more fun bike.

    The only aftermarket upgrade that I have added was a set of the new Industry 9 Torch hubs in the 32 spoke options. These are laced to Stans Flow EX wheels. For the record the blue annodization (sp?) on the I9 stuff is a near dead ringer for the blue bits on the Covert frame. I weighed the bike on a hook scale at the shop with the new wheels on it and it came in at 32.67 LB with the new wheels. Below you can find a link to my hurriedly take photos. Thanks for looking!

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    Looks nice, I went with blue Hope hubs and bought some blue bar end caps from Transition's store, the blue and stealth black are a good match.

    I have been pleasantly surprised at how well the bike pedals and climbs, but can't wait to do some real descending with it. We have been getting a lot of late spring snow here, looks like more this week.

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    Pic from the weekend

    Haven't posted for a while....too busy riding...

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    Great pic. If only I could finish building mine.

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    My first ever Boo-teak MTB build!

    It started with a Fox Talas 34 upgrade for my Giant Anthem 29er. Then I started lusting after the Pivot Mach 429 Carbon. Then I was recommended against matching said frame and fork due to concerns about structural integrity (credit goes to Pivot tech support for their honesty). Just as well, as I should have been looking for a longer travel 29er frame to begin with. Eventually I had it narrowed down to either the SC Tallboy LT Aluminum or the Turner Sultan. Then one day I wandered into the Transition forum and found this thread.......

    Now, thanks to advice from rroeder here and the guys at Transition:

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    Trick build, I like what you did with the front der routing.

    Got mine out Fri for a nice chunky trail ride, lovin it. Next week gonna hit a local downhill trail as things have finally dried out up higher, looking forward to some extended down. I will try and get some action or trail side pixels.

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    That looks sick! I really like the look of the Havens. I'm going to give mine a go when the rear wheel gets back from Easton.

    I, too, like the looks of that front der cable routing. I spent quite a bit of time on mine and now I see the simple solution to the ridiculous stock routing...why didn't I think of that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    I, too, like the looks of that front der cable routing. I spent quite a bit of time on mine and now I see the simple solution to the ridiculous stock routing...why didn't I think of that!
    Yeah I might try that routing too, my der has top pull option as well. Altho my front shifting works great as is, the loop under the BB is fine but I did have an issue initially with the housing getting gunked up at the stop there and had to install a sealed housing end.

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    We've recently started routing front der cables along the dropper cable stops on the side of the top tube. Much cleaner and better shifting!
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    Holy S$%T, this thing is FAST! Broke it in this past Sunday, and even though I had never seen or test ridden one prior to ordering, I have no regrets about my decision. The much-maligned single-pivot suspension works just fine to me, and this is coming from FSR and Maestro systems. The CTD shock affects suspension performance significantly more than differences in linkage design in my experience.

    Yeah, the cable routing was clearly an afterthought when they designed this frame. But I read this whole thread before ordering, so I already had a different plan for the front derailleur even before it arrived.

    Anyway, here is a crappy phone pic from that inaugural ride.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr View Post
    We've recently started routing front der cables along the dropper cable stops on the side of the top tube. Much cleaner and better shifting!
    Thanks a bunch for this suggestion. I have my dropper cable running down the left side so the cable guides were open. Running the f der cable there looks factory and it greatly decreased the force required at the shift lever. This is the spot to run your cable if you can. Thanks again!

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    @Adrien: What did the weight end up to be?

    Did any of the Covert owners contemplate getting the new Specialized Enduro 29er? I'm still torn between the 2 bikes. I find the sizing of the Covert a bit strange, the reach of the L frame is 11mm shorter than that of the size M Enduro 29er. So by that measurement I should go with the XL, but I'm only 6' (182cm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    @Adrien: What did the weight end up to be?

    Did any of the Covert owners contemplate getting the new Specialized Enduro 29er? I'm still torn between the 2 bikes. I find the sizing of the Covert a bit strange, the reach of the L frame is 11mm shorter than that of the size M Enduro 29er. So by that measurement I should go with the XL, but I'm only 6' (182cm).
    To answer your first question: YES. If I'm being honest...yes. I prepaid my C29 last fall and started riding in January. Had I waited and bought a bike 6 months later it would have been the Enduro 29. As it stands, the C29 rides so well that I have no desire to lose money selling my bike and buying a new Enduro 29...yet. But, an additional 10% travel with chainstays 0.8" shorter...I like it.

    On the flip side: The Enduro 29 only has 0.5" more travel (depending on front or rear) and has a long wheelbase for a given size (this is Specialized in general). I'm not sure the extra travel is enough to be groundbreaking compared to the C29 and the C29 has a pretty short wheelbase due to the shorter top tubes so it still handles very well despite the longer chainstays. For a given size: do you want a short wheelbase with slightly longer chainstays (C29) or a longer wheelbase with short chainstays (E29)?

    Someone who puts emphasis on being able to "work" the rear of the bike (manuals, wheelie drops, side hops, etc...) may prefer the E29. Someone who appreciates what comes with a shorter top tube and wheelbase (snappy handling, power position riding, etc...) may really like the C29.

    As for size, I have always been right between L and XL on Specialized bikes (6'3"). I really like the shorter reach and upright power position on my XL C29. If I had a E29 I would choose a large which would give me a near identical wheelbase with a slightly longer reach and slightly shorter chainstays. I would suggest the L C29 or you may run out of room to use a dropper post on the XL. If your legs are long enough to allow this then the XL would be fine. Going with the L C29 would certainly mean adapting your riding position. I did just that going from long reach XL Yeti's and Specialized bikes to the shorter reach XL C29. I like the change so much that I would now choose a size L Yeti or Specialized (and have as I also own a L 575).

    By being on a shorter upright bike you are positioned optimally for power transfer from the hips, which is much stronger than the laid out knee focused position on other bikes. It does take some time to build up the power in your hips but after this is done it is so easy to jump out of the saddle to a standing pedal. I pedal while standing way more than I ever have before and find it quite advantageous compared to the hunchback seated position. With the shorter reach there is also much less monkey motion required when shifting your weight around for climbs/ descents.

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    Here is a link to another thread I started on trying to tune my CTD fork and shock to have a more progressive spring curve to prevent constant bottoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    Did any of the Covert owners contemplate getting the new Specialized Enduro 29er? I'm still torn between the 2 bikes. I find the sizing of the Covert a bit strange, the reach of the L frame is 11mm shorter than that of the size M Enduro 29er. So by that measurement I should go with the XL, but I'm only 6' (182cm).
    I rode Specs on-and-off for most of the last decade, and looked at the Enduro 29 when shopping, but wrote it off. The shorter chainstays are overrated and possibly negated when you factor in the 1.00"-longer wheelbase of the E29 relative to the C29. And based on previous experience, I seriously doubt the E29 will be as stiff as the C29, especially the rear triangle. I always had problems with wandering on high speed descents with the Horst-Link, and I suspect it's because the axle is mounted to the seatstays, not the chainstays or a one-piece rear triangle. Also, the dropouts on the C29 (.75" thick) are built to withstand a nuclear strike from North Korea. I've never ridden a bike this stiff before.

    Yes, the short top tube of the C29 seemed odd to me when I was shopping, but I pulled the trigger anyway. When I first rode mine on the street right after building it up, the cockpit instantly felt more cramped than I was accustomed to, but once on the trail I never noticed again.

    Unless you're an XC racer, the Covert 29 really is a quiver-killer as advertised. It's an excellent climber, but an even better descender and dirt jumper, all for just over 30 lbs.

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    The above points are great. Things I like beside their comments are the build. Fox Kash suspension, upright position, stiff bike. The stiff bike plays into the equation a lot for me. To get to those awesome trails, I've got to climb those gnar trails. I really am pleased with it. My x9 rear brake on the other hand from build two lost all power last week as I was descending some fast rough single track. I was instantly answered by Lars at Transition by the way when I emailed with questions. 5 gold stars for him! My xt with ice tech should be showing up today I got build 2 for the price point and have otherwise been overwhelmed at the bikes pure bad-ass-ted-ness!
    Has anyone changed out their tires? I have 800 miles on my Hans Dampfs and the knobs are starting to tare away ( don't want a back country flat). I like the fatness of them however. Has anyone tried the big ardents 2.4 or minnion 2.5? Will that monster fit? Just thinking about them...makes me want to try. Whats your take?

    6/20 Ok went with the Ardent 2.4's and they will work as a back tire but the 2.4 Ardent is much slimmer than the HD 2.35!!! I will run the Ardents as a rear till gone but when I replace my front it has got to be the HD. Just in case anyone is replacing tires yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPeper View Post
    The above points are great. Things I like beside their comments are the build. Fox Kash suspension, upright position, stiff bike. The stiff bike plays into the equation a lot for me. To get to those awesome trails, I've got to climb those gnar trails. I really am pleased with it. My x9 rear brake on the other hand from build two lost all power last week as I was descending some fast rough single track. I was instantly answered by Lars at Transition by the way when I emailed with questions. 5 gold stars for him! My xt with ice tech should be showing up today I got build 2 for the price point and have otherwise been overwhelmed at the bikes pure bad-ass-ted-ness!
    Has anyone changed out their tires? I have 800 miles on my Hans Dampfs and the knobs are starting to tare away ( don't want a back country flat). I like the fatness of them however. Has anyone tried the big ardents 2.4 or minnion 2.5? Will that monster fit? Just thinking about them...makes me want to try. Whats your take?
    I'm using a HD on the front and a 2.25 Nobby Nic on the rear. The smaller Nic made a noticeable difference compared to a HD in less rolling resistance and acceleration. I really like this combo. I don't see moving away from the HD on the front...just awesome.

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    I've heard several riders saying to go with that combo or something close. I'm looking to bigger on this set and just wondered if anyone had the same thought. I probably won't be going smaller though, till I try some floaty beefy tires. I have an Ardent exo 2.4 coming shortly and will probably try it on both ends of the bike before getting too settled.

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    Usefull stuff here, thanks. Gives me stuff to think about. Although I don't understand why you would say the S29 has a longer wheelbase compared to the C29. I guess if you were to compare equaly sized bikes (so L for L), this is correct. But for the S29, I would go with the medium sized frame, whereas for the C29, I would go for the L sized frame. Both have 1160-ish wheelbase. The C29 has 11mm less reach, so should be a bit more cramped/upright than the S29, or be used with a 10mm longer stem.

    I like the climbing part of your comment. In our 'all mountain' rides, we do a lot of climbing.

    Has anyone ever tried a 150mm fork on this bike? That would slacken the HA a bit. I think that would be perfect.

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    I've been running the 2.5 Minion up front for awhile, awesome tire!, with a 2.3 DHR2 in the back. Great combo for pure traction. I'm running an MRP 2x chainguide with an XT 24/38 crankset, the 2.5 Minion would probably rub on the chainguide but it would fit the frame no problem. I will probably try the 2.5 in the back for lift assist when the resorts open, but not sure it will work with the chainguide.

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    covert 29er

    The DHF / DHR2 combination is impressive. I've been riding that on my Prime for about a month now. Later this summer I'll set up with a lighter 2nd wheelset with a HR2 / Ikon 2.35 for XCish duties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    Has anyone ever tried a 150mm fork on this bike? That would slacken the HA a bit. I think that would be perfect.
    Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    Anyone?
    I think it would work fine. For some reason my 34 Float is giving me about 5.75" of travel. I don't think 5.9" would be any different. Let 'er rip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer27 View Post
    I rode Specs on-and-off for most of the last decade, and looked at the Enduro 29 when shopping, but wrote it off. The shorter chainstays are overrated and possibly negated when you factor in the 1.00"-longer wheelbase of the E29 relative to the C29. And based on previous experience, I seriously doubt the E29 will be as stiff as the C29, especially the rear triangle. I always had problems with wandering on high speed descents with the Horst-Link, and I suspect it's because the axle is mounted to the seatstays, not the chainstays or a one-piece rear triangle. Also, the dropouts on the C29 (.75" thick) are built to withstand a nuclear strike from North Korea. I've never ridden a bike this stiff before.

    Yes, the short top tube of the C29 seemed odd to me when I was shopping, but I pulled the trigger anyway. When I first rode mine on the street right after building it up, the cockpit instantly felt more cramped than I was accustomed to, but once on the trail I never noticed again.

    Unless you're an XC racer, the Covert 29 really is a quiver-killer as advertised. It's an excellent climber, but an even better descender and dirt jumper, all for just over 30 lbs.
    Good points...good stuff.

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    You can always install one of those new Cane Creek Anglesets to get a slacker head angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    Anyone?
    Go back a few pages, jmontroy has his Fox 34 setup at 150. I would of def gone with the Pike 150 over my Rev 140 if it had been available.

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    covert 29er-20130618_154023.jpgcovert 29er-20130618_154037.jpgcovert 29er-20130618_154103-1-.jpg

    Going to try the Easton Haven wheels for a bit. Dropped 280 g from the King/ Flow EX wheels. The 2.25 rear Nobby Nic dropped 150 g from the previous Hans Dampf. Right after these pics I removed the chain guide to see how the Type 2 der. handles on its own.

    With these changes bike weight has gone from around 33.5 lb to 31.9 lb. Most of that was wheel/ tire weight. It is noticeable in how fast the bike responds to direction changes. I was surprised how much I noticed the change.

    The unknown is how durable the Havens will be. I have run into people talking about broken spokes. They seem equal in stiffness to the King/ Flow EX...or there is not enough difference for me to notice. The rear wheel was just completely rebuilt under Easton's bearing upgrade program. I had a very early QR hub that was not compatible with the new bearing system. So...they rebuilt the entire rear wheel and only my rim was reused...new hub, spokes and nipples...for FREE (it did cost me shipping to Easton).

    Lovin' the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    Going to try the Easton Haven wheels for a bit. Dropped 280 g from the King/ Flow EX wheels.
    Lovin' the bike!
    Sweet ride!
    FWIW.... I picked up a used set of carbon haven wheels last summer, and have beaten the sh*t outta them, including shore days and dbl-blk FR/DH lines... they are holding up great. The new/free rear hub upgrade works awesome. Granted they are the carbon ones, and I weigh 175, but I am real impressed. They are worlds stiffer than the flows for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Sweet ride!
    FWIW.... I picked up a used set of carbon haven wheels last summer, and have beaten the sh*t outta them, including shore days and dbl-blk FR/DH lines... they are holding up great. The new/free rear hub upgrade works awesome. Granted they are the carbon ones, and I weigh 175, but I am real impressed. They are worlds stiffer than the flows for sure.
    You're making me feel better already. I have never been hard on wheels despite my size so I figured I would give them a go.

    Just got back from another ride and you can tell that acceleration is a bit easier and side to side transition feels a bit lighter. The difference is modest but noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    You're making me feel better already. I have never been hard on wheels despite my size so I figured I would give them a go.

    Just got back from another ride and you can tell that acceleration is a bit easier and side to side transition feels a bit lighter. The difference is modest but noticeable.
    I took the plunge on some cheap chinese carbon rims (see epic 4000+ post MTBR thread) in the wide with extra material after my Loaded AMXC front folded in half on Kensoha last week. Gonna lace them to my Kings. I'll report back in a few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmontroy View Post
    I took the plunge on some cheap chinese carbon rims (see epic 4000+ post MTBR thread) in the wide with extra material after my Loaded AMXC front folded in half on Kensoha last week. Gonna lace them to my Kings. I'll report back in a few weeks.
    I am extremely interested in your feedback over this summer. Are they the Light Bicycle AM rims (wide model)? Are you going to run the Bontrager rim strip for tubeless? I was very tempted to order a pair and find someone to lace them up but got gun shy. I just wonder how they stand up to repeated rock impacts and scrapes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    I am extremely interested in your feedback over this summer. Are they the Light Bicycle AM rims (wide model)? Are you going to run the Bontrager rim strip for tubeless? I was very tempted to order a pair and find someone to lace them up but got gun shy. I just wonder how they stand up to repeated rock impacts and scrapes...
    Those are the ones, with the extra carbon for a few bucks more, on account of my Clydesdale figure. I thought that the improvement in stiffness was worth the price of admission. I ride pretty hard so it'll be a good test.
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    How was the climb to Georgia pass on the Covert?, was it snow free?? Sounds painfull

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder View Post
    How was the climb to Georgia pass on the Covert?, was it snow free?? Sounds painfull
    Yes, it was quite uncomfortable at times. That rooty climb is a *****. We got to within a mile of Georgia Pass and called it. Frequent drifts of snow and a general unwillingness to hike was to blame, but I imagine we'll hit it again later in the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post

    Lovin' the bike!
    Are you running a 2 x 10 on that SLX crank? have you had any issues with chain line? How many spacers are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmontroy View Post
    Yes, it was quite uncomfortable at times. That rooty climb is a *****. We got to within a mile of Georgia Pass and called it. Frequent drifts of snow and a general unwillingness to hike was to blame, but I imagine we'll hit it again later in the season.
    Lot of late season snow this year. I did it last year in July with a buddy from Socal, we didn't quite make it to the Jeff creek turnoff cause he ran out of water. I was pissed lol, I told him to make sure he had a full pack of water at the start but he didn't think he needed it cause of the stats of the ride. That ride always serves up something, either a mechanical, someone bonks, lightning, or a snow storm at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Are you running a 2 x 10 on that SLX crank? have you had any issues with chain line? How many spacers are you running?
    Yes. It is an older SLX 665 9 speed crankset running in 2X10 mode. The 665 came stock with 22X36XBash for 9 speed applications. I am using the stock 36 ring with a 24 granny and a SRAM Bash. KMC 10 speed chain, XT 10 speed cassette, X9 T2 rear der., XT double specific front der., and X7 10 speed shifters. Everything plays nice together in the current configuration...no issues and very smooth shifting.

    The chainline on the SLX 665 crank is closer to center by a couple millimeters compared to the stock X9 crank. I actually prefer this as the cross chain isn't as bad in the 36 on the cassette where the most torque is applied with the greatest incidence of a broken chain.

    I am running the crank with an XT BB with one spacer on the drive side. I believe this is the recommendation for a 73mm BB shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    Yes. It is an older SLX 665 9 speed crankset running in 2X10 mode. The 665 came stock with 22X36XBash for 9 speed applications. I am using the stock 36 ring with a 24 granny and a SRAM Bash. KMC 10 speed chain, XT 10 speed cassette, X9 T2 rear der., XT double specific front der., and X7 10 speed shifters. Everything plays nice together in the current configuration...no issues and very smooth shifting.

    The chainline on the SLX 665 crank is closer to center by a couple millimeters compared to the stock X9 crank. I actually prefer this as the cross chain isn't as bad in the 36 on the cassette where the most torque is applied with the greatest incidence of a broken chain.

    I am running the crank with an XT BB with one spacer on the drive side. I believe this is the recommendation for a 73mm BB shell.
    Do you get any chainstay rub on the 36 ring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Do you get any chainstay rub on the 36 ring?
    If you mean the ring hitting the chainstay, the answer is no. It's not even close...a 38 would work fine as well.

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    Quick update... New XT chain, cassette, Shadow + rear derailleur, gear cables. Much quieter running drivetrain :-)

    More importantly, I've now fitted the long-awaited 29er Minions. I have the 2.5" single-wall EXO TR 3C version, weights are 1034g and 1043g. Even though I've run these tyres forever on my DH and do-everything 26ers, these far exceed my expectations. Gained around 305g rotating weight in total over the Hans Dampf 2.35 Trailstars (880-885g each) I was running. Despite this, the bike now rolls much faster, grips harder in corners and feels like it has more pop. Perfect tyre for the Covert!

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    Just trying to keep the stoke going.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer27 View Post
    Just trying to keep the stoke going.....

    Now that's what I'm talking about! Yummy.

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    Just replaced the Fox 34 TALAS FIT Kashima with the new RS Pike 150mm Dual-Air. HUGE difference. Also increased from 185/160 brake rotor setup to 203/185 since I'm riding gnarlier stuff than ever before.


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    Can you comment a bit on the diff between the Pike and the Fox? I currently have a Fox 34 which I really don't like.

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    The Latest Iteration...

    Plus a shot of the new LB carbon hoops!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar View Post
    Can you comment a bit on the diff between the Pike and the Fox? I currently have a Fox 34 which I really don't like.
    To clarify, my Fox 34 was a 2012 RLC, not a CTD so my experience may be different from yours if you have the latter. But the first thing I noticed even before riding it was the lack of "stiction" when pushing down on the fork, just smooth motion. In contrast, the Fox's Kashima coating was apparently worthless as mine suffered from sticking issues.

    The bigger issue I had with the Fox was small-bump sensitivity. High speed chatter such as washboard bumps on a fireroad would make the Fox feel like a rigid fork. The Pike smooths out everything the way a long-travel fork should.

    I like this Pike so much that I also replaced the Fox on my hardtail with a SID, and it also fixed the same problems. I guess Rockshox is the standard for suspension forks now.

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    Those are the problems I experience on my F34 too. Small bump sensitivity is basically zero and high speed stuff makes the fork feel rigid. I guess I'll be ordering a Pike very soon.

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    I'm headed to Trestle park this week, well see how the Revelation holds up. Might need to look at the Pike but RS sure is proud of em.

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    The Covert rode so nice at the bike park, the susp was dialed and felt a lot better than I thought it would. Figured the air susp would be a little harsh but it was plush and handled the jumps and drops great. I can't wait to go again as the bike just pops off the lips compared to the DH bikes I've ridden there in the past, and you can pedal the flatter sections and get more speed as well.

    Saw a lot of similar style bikes with the Enduro race there, lot of top pros racing and training, saw Nico Vouilloz(?) on a lower trail pre riding one of the stages. He said hello and we kinda went back and forth on the trail as they stopped a few times. Unfortunately it was a wet week and the camera died early on in the trip so no pics from the bike park days.

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    Good to know as I'm planning to hit up Snow Summit here in SoCal at some point this summer, thanks.

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    I was riding with a buddy from Pasadena who rides there and Mammoth a lot, enjoy

    Here's the latest setup, switched to Reverb post and some old XT cranks I had.
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    This thread needs more Covert stoke

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    A question for those with RS Pikes on their Covert 29's. I'm looking at a set of 150mm Solo Air Pikes for my covert 29 and on a few websites see that there are two models. One that looks like the standard model, and one that is advertised as having a 51mm offset. This only seems to apply specifically to the 150mm 29er fork and none of the other travels or wheel size combinations. I'm not sure if 51mm offset is more or less than the std model, but against this option it does state to check with your bike manufacturer for compatability with the 51mm offset. I've queried Transition on this but it seems this is the first they've heard of it and have gone away to investigate further. Also i'm struggling to find anything on the SRAM/Rockshox website and i've spoken to a few local shops and suppliers who recognise the second model but don't know what it should apply to. So for those of you who have got Pikes on your Covert 29, did you go for the std model or the 51mm offset model? SHould I assuming there is no structural or mechanical reason why I shouldn't? Thanks.

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    Kinda curious too as I was looking at a Pike for next season. In theory the longer offset will reduce 'trail' and make the steering feel quicker I guess, but in reality it's probably not noticable. It would obviously lengthen the wheelbase a tad, which I wouldn't want on mine, guess it depends on how your riding the bike.

    Are you running a Fox 34 now? I read it has a 51mm offset so maybe you want to replicate that with the Pike.

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    Currently I've got the 140 mm Revs off the transition build kit 3. I have no idea if the 51mm offset is more or less than the revs, I think the revs offset is 40mm, or what Transition has designed as optimal for the bike. I use my bike for pretty much everything, XC, DH, genuine AM with a slant for DH. It's the statement to check with the bike manufacturer that suggests to me that it might not be suitable for some bikes, and the fact only the 150mm 29er fork seems to have this option. No other Pike model, not even the 140mm or 160mm 29er model. Oh, we'll, the mystery deepens. Is there any way I can query Rockshox directly?

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    I have the 140 Rev too and love the handling and ride of the bike, I wouldn't want that to change. Stiffer fork and added travel are welcome but not if it messes with the front end handling. I think our Rev forks are 46mm offset, the Fox 34's are 51 from what I've read and folks seem to really like them aside from some damping issues so maybe the 51 offset would work fine.

    I think I would go with the 46mm offset myself. I bet the 51mm option is directed more towards bikes with slacker head angles where the 'trail' measurement would be higher and slower steering.

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    Yeah, the bike handles brilliantly, i'm not looking to upgrade, but am looking to use the forks on a TransAm 29 build i'm planning and the Pikes look like a nice fork. The extra 10mm travel might come in useful for next year as i'm planning a couple of Alps trips and the TransAm will probably take on more of the XC duties leaving the Covert to a more DH orientated bike. I think the extra 13mm A-C of the Pike will already slacken things up a bit so feels like I don't need the greater offset.

    I'm in no rush for the next few weeks so will see if Transition come back to me with anything. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbliscott View Post
    Yeah, the bike handles brilliantly, i'm not looking to upgrade, but am looking to use the forks on a TransAm 29 build i'm planning and the Pikes look like a nice fork. The extra 10mm travel might come in useful for next year as i'm planning a couple of Alps trips and the TransAm will probably take on more of the XC duties leaving the Covert to a more DH orientated bike. I think the extra 13mm A-C of the Pike will already slacken things up a bit so feels like I don't need the greater offset.

    I'm in no rush for the next few weeks so will see if Transition come back to me with anything. Cheers.
    The Rev's fork offset is 46mm unless you got a G2 Trek version (51mm offset) and I'm not aware of a G2 140mm variant. Both the Bandit & Covert 29ers were designed around a 51mm offset fork. I have verified this with Transition.

    Yes, the longer A-C of the Pike 150mm (561mm) will slacken up the front end as the Rev 140 is supposed to be 546mm A-C, the Pike will increase the trail. Too much trail and your bike will handle like a truck. However, more fork offset reduces trail, helping a bike with a slack front end handle more nimbly.

    You can buy the Solo Air Pike in 140mm travel and 51mm offset. See the link below. I just bought a 51mm offset 150mm travel Pike Dual Position fork for my Covert 29. I think that it will be a much better match for the bike than the 140mm version for the below reasons:

    The Fox 34 140mm 29er fork that both the 2012 Bandit 29 and the Covert 29 were designed for are 51mm offset, but many owners report significantly longer real world A-C length on them than the advertised 552.8mm. Many have stated and posted pics showing that the 140mm F34 actually has longer A-C lengths than the 150mm Pike. Many 140mm F34 owners are claiming A-C lengths that are around 20mm longer than the 546mm of the 140mm Rev.

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    Just ordered my Covert 29 frame this weekend! Past Bandit 29 owner looking forward to feeling that Transition vibe again!

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    Welcome back from that Bandit29's new owner
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    Welcome back from that Bandit29's new owner
    And happy that the B29 found a good home and a taller rider!

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    Woo hoo! Frame has arrived. Now if the stupid carbon rims I ordered 3 weeks ago would arrive, I could start building - and RIDING - the thing.

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    Coming over on the slow boat from China...

    pics?
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    pics?
    Dude, you're waiting for the same rims. Maybe we can ride them next spring.

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    ha. frame pics is what I meant...LEMURZ
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    now, that i'm switching from the Bandit29 to the Covert29 (black, Large), i have some questions.
    I have a Pike with 150mm and thinking about converting to 160mm (possible by changing the airdampershaft).
    is this useful?

    What's about the shock? On the Bandit i switched to the Monarch Plus RC3, because the Float was running through the travel. The Monarch was way more progressive.

    i have an angleset for the Bandit with -1°, should i also use this for the Covert?

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    My suggestions:

    Leave the Pike at 150.
    You can add internal volume spacers to the Fox CTD shock to create more progression.
    Try the stock head angle and see what you think. I found it too slack and installed a +1 deg head set and really like that modification.

    Have fun, it's a very capable machine.

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    I just mentioned this in reply to a question in this thread a page or two back but I just installed a +1 deg Works Components headset on my C29. That's right, I'm going backwards from the every slackening head angle trend.

    The head angle is now in the 68.5-69 deg range depending on what I use to measure (67.5-68 deg with the stock headset...my Float 34 runs a bit long).

    I always felt the handling was a bit sluggish for my tastes and the front wheel tended to wander on steep climbs.

    Only one ride with the steeper head angle but I was very happy with the subtle change. Steering seemed a bit sharper and the front tire was much more "planted" on steep climbs. I noticed no negative effects on steep rough terrain.

    Why are head angles getting so excessively slack?

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    thank you,

    frame arrives on friday, i think i will get it ready the same day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    Why are head angles getting so excessively slack?
    Cause it's cool and hip?, agreed tho. I like the handling of mine w/Rev 140, don't want anything slacker but will prob go with the Pike which will slacken the HA slightly I guess.

    One thing I like about the Covert 29 is the tight wheelbase, makes it more nimble in slow speed techno stuff, yet it still handled great at the bike park. Transition nailed the geo on this bike. The Spechy Enduro might have shorter stays and half an inch more travel but the wheelbase is an inch longer for any given size, same for most of the other bikes in this segment.

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    Picked up my new C29 build from the shop last night (but couldn't get it out on dirt.) Big thanks to Allen at the Dropnzone for the great customer service on the frame purchase!

    Frame is an XL; all components were swapped over from my '12 RIP (and previously on a '12 Bandit 29.) 140mm Reba, 2x9 drivetrain (mostly X-9 with an SLX crankset), Sun Ringle Black Flag Pro wheelset. Carbon-rimmed wheels on their way. Pike and 1x11 drivetrain go on next year. First impressions -

    1. This is the smallest "XL" frame I've ever seen. It's smaller than the L RIP. Small is good, as the '12 XL Bandit was too big for me. ETT seems really tight. That will take some getting used to. I'm just a hair over 6' and there is no possible way I could have fit comfortably on the L. I will definitely need to source a dropper post ASAP.
    2. The CTD shock is super stiff. I've been reading this thread and the recent review (can't remember the site) about the Float tending to blow through it's travel, so I put in about my body weight as the psi in the shock. Just riding it around the street and off curbs, it felt pretty firm in the Trail 1 or Trail 2 position. When I clicked it into Descend, it felt plusher. That said, I haven't ridden it all geared up and not on dirt. I dropped about 10 psi out and it felt a little bit more plush.
    3. On the other hand, I'm guessing this bike will fly uphill compared to the Bandit. One thing that I never really liked about the Bandit was that it seemed to be a little squishy when climbing, even with the RP23 set on the firmest setting.
    4. The frame/build was not as heavy as I was expecting. The build as it stands now is a hair over 30 lbs, which is slightly lighter than I was thinking it would turn out. The frame feels about the same weight as the RIP.
    5. The frame itself is beautiful. I love the curvy lines, the gunmetal gray and the blue accents. The head angle is noticeably slacker than the RIP, just from looking at it. The BB height measured about 13.7 or so, which is nearly .5" shorter than the RIP. That I like a lot.

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    Surprised at the weight too, must be reasonably light wheels/tires. Mine is at 33 with Hope/Flow wheels and beefy tires, also dropper post.

    I'm 6'2" and was worried about the fit as well, but it has not been an issue, more upright yes but still very comfy on the bike.

    I'm running a little less than body weight and keep it at trail "1" setting, feels good for both trail riding and downhills.

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    Tires are Specialized Purgatory 2.3 front and Specialized Ground Control 2.1 rear. Definitely less beefy than Hans Dampfs or Nobby Nics or similar, but they get the job done very well on the local trails. Wheels are, I think, pretty average in weight for "trail" wheels at about 1750g or so (definitely lighter than Flows.) One thing keeping the weight down, unfortunately, is the lack of a dropper post. My KS Lev is not the right diameter for the frame. (Insert unhappy face here.) If it would stop raining around here, maybe I could ride the thing. (Mountain biking in Boise in the rain is a huge no-no - our trails are heavy clay soil and become soupy and sticky mud, prone to serious rutting and damage. Yes, Bombing4x - I'm talking to you.)

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    I used a 27.2 Gravity dropper w/shim for awhile, worked fine.

    I have a 2.5 DHF/2.3 DHR 2 combo on mine, love love love these tires! Not light tho.

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    Just ordered a 31.6 Lev with the 125mm drop. (Same as what I was running on the RIP.) I'll hang on to the 30.9 for a potential Canfield Nimble 9 build next spring. I tend to go a bit lighter on the tires just due to the trails I usually ride, which are pretty smooth hardpack. I keep beefier tires for backup for other areas. I've never felt I needed much more than 2.2 max in the rear on any bike, but I do like a wide, fat front tire, regardless of weight. I may end up going with a Dampf up front and repurpose the Purgatory for the Nimble next year.

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    Hi Folks! Mine is up for sale and is posted in the classifieds on MTBR There is a link a couple of pages back to some additional photos. I have loved the bike but my riding style is changing a bit and want something smaller. Thanks for looking!

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    first pic.
    will make better soon.
    first ride was short but great

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    Is that a Pike?

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    Yes, that is a Pike SA 150mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowbike View Post
    Yes, that is a Pike SA 150mm.
    That is definitely my next upgrade.

    Finally got out for a short ride yesterday. First impressions:

    1. This thing climbs really well, even in "descend" mode. No detectable bobbing or squatting. Climbs way better than the Bandit did.
    2. That stiffness climbing also resulted in some stiffness on the downhill. Just didn't feel at all plush. I ended up dropping another 10 psi from the shock, but it didn't seem to make much difference, whereas on the Bandit you could really tell the difference. I've heard that the CTD shock does take a while to set up. I checked the sag before the ride and I got it pretty much spot on 25%; perhaps now it's 30%.
    3. That said, this bike corners very intuitively. The RIP I always felt was too tall and you had to muscle it around corners. The Covert feels more planted and whippy.
    4. The positioning on the bike is odd, to say the least. I come from a squarely XC background - long top tubes and long stems. The RIP had a 24.6" ETT, a 72.5 degree STA, 69.5 degree HA, and I was running a 90mm stem. With the steeper STA and slacker HTA on the Covert, I can definitely feel a much more compact ETT. That, and running a 70mm stem, I feel considerably more "upright" than I've ever felt on a bike. That said, I think that upright position contributed greatly to being comfortable while climbing.
    5. This frame cries for a dropper post. With the shortish head tube length, the bars are pretty low in comparison to the saddle. I couldn't get my butt off the back of the saddle while descending, which made me feel a bit too over-the-bars on the downhill. Good thing I ordered a dropper post already.

    Bottom line - I'm looking forward to experimenting with the frame. I need to get the shock dialed - it just feels too stiff. And, add a longer travel fork to slacken the angles and raise the front end a tad. I already like it more than the RIP, based on the quicker handling and lower BB height, but it will take some time to get more comfortable on it.

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    Got in a couple more rides (total about 40 miles for the weekend.) Dropping another 10 psi out of the shock definitely improved the ride. I'm down to about 175 psi in the shock, which is about 15 - 20 lbs below body weight. For climbs, I'd put the shock in Trail 2, and then switch it over to Descend 2 for the downhills. I need a longer A-C fork. The positioning on the downhill still feels a little too forward. The Reba RLT Ti is set at 140, with an A-C of about 552mm. Just feels too low. I think the 561mm of the Pike will be a better fit. Other than that, no complaints at all. Climbs amazingly well for its weight and it handles great on the downhills. Just need the dropper post for now and all is well.

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    The Reba 140, as well as the Revelation 140 A-2-C is even lower, 548mm. The Fox 34 140 is 552.8mm.
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    Probably the saddle height making your position feel too forward on the descents. I have the Rev 140 and it handles great, even did a few days at the bike park and I never felt under forked. That said I'll prob get a Pike too, better match for this bike than the Rev.

    The 1-2-3 settings are only for trail mode, I found the 2 setting too harsh so keep it at 1. Descend mode is uber plush but I dont use it except in real chunky sections, blow thru the travel too easily on jumps or drops.

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    Ah, I suspected the Reba was shorter than 552 - I thought I had read that somewhere. I think the 2012 Revelation is basically a re-stickered 2011 Reba, since they discontinued the 140mm option for the Reba after 2011. I think the shorter a-2-c is making the angles slightly steeper.

    I have my saddle set at 787mm from the center of the BB to the top of the middle of the saddle (measured on a straight line, not following the seat tube.) That's pretty much my standard saddle height across any frame. Hence, the need for a dropper post on frames with a steeper seat tube angle. (I frankly don't see how anybody over 6'2" could be comfortable on even an XL frame without over-maxing the seatpost height and putting a long stem on. An L would feel like riding my kid's BMX bike.) I became more used to the lack of a dropper the longer I rode it.

    Good to know about the 1-2-3 setting on the shock. Our climbs are long and steady, so trail 1 or 2 feels about the same. I'm not blowing through the travel on descend mode, but it certainly feels less plush than the 2012 Bandit 29.

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    made some new pics.
    here it is in parksetup for tomorrow

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    is someone here riding a Monarch+ in the Covert29?

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    12 rides on the Covert so far - somewhere between 150 and 200 miles. I still feel like the seat tube angle is far too steep and the ETT/reach is far too short. Even at just a shade over 6' tall and riding an XL, I can't get my saddle far enough back to achieve KOPS position, which makes my knees and back hurt. I also still have the OTB feel on downhills (although that's mostly negated by the dropper post.) I'm hoping these problems are a combination of (1) a fork that's too short for the frame and (2) a stem that's too short. Transition's website notes that the geometry figures for the Covert 29 are based on a fork a-2-c of 556mm. Mine is sub 550 - maybe 548mm. Second, I'm running a 70mm stem and a 740mm wide bar.

    The BB height feels pretty tall too, especially compared to the '12 Bandit 29 I used to have. I can't imagine how tall it would feel with a 150mm Pike or even a 140mm Fox 34.

    Also, I'm having the same problem as others with blowing through the travel. If I put enough air in to prevent that, the ride is harsh. If I drop the air to smooth out the ride, I go through the travel pretty easily. I've got about 175 psi in the fork and run the shock in Trail 1 or Trail 2 only.

    I'm starting to get suspicious that this frame is not living up to the hype. I demoed an Ibis Ripley last weekend - now there's an impressive frame. I really want to like the Covert, but so far it's not happening.

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    From what you've written, I think you're unlikely to warm up to the Covert. It sounds like the geometry isn't what you're looking for. It has a steep STA and short cockpit for a reason. I ride a Prime, which has a similar fit, and I love it. The compact cockpit is beneficial for a certain riding style, but it sounds like you don't care for it. It's less a matter of not living up to the hype than it is choosing the tool that fits your purpose. I think this style doesn't work as well for a bike that will be ridden mostly with the saddle at full XC height, and if I buy another bike for mostly XC duties, it'll have a slacker STA and a longer cockpit.

    FWIW, the Covert actually has a very slightly longer reach than the Ripley. The Ripley's slacker STA gives it a longer ETT, though. Although the difference in travel isn't huge, they seem like very different bikes to me, with different intents.

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    I'm 6'2" and run a 90 stem with a 750 bar, I swap out to a 60 stem for pure downhill days. If you have the saddle all the way back and still can't get the right KOPS position then a longer stem/wider bar is not gonna help tho. I have shortish legs for my height but have the saddle pretty much centered on the rails with a Reverb and it's perfect. The fit is upright but still very comfy

    175psi in your fork sounds way high, I run 135 in my Rev, I weigh 210. Sounds like your fork might be the culprit but my Revelation is the same A2C I think and it's been fine, like I said before even did a few days at a bike park on it. You should get 25% sag on the rear shock, for me that's 205 psi in the shock. Some have posted here they needed to swap out the air sleeve so maybe that's the problem? I keep mine at the Trail 1 setting all the time.

    With your description its kinda hard to pinpoint what's going on. This bike is more of a gravity oriented play bike tho, I wouldn't compare it to the Ripley which is more of a trail bike IMO. It's a beefy frame

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    I may try a 90mm stem to see how that feels. I have an 80mm stem on order. I think a longer fork will help too, as that will lengthen out the ETT a tad and slacken the STA. I just don't think the Reba 140 is the right fork for this frame. I have an XC bike (actually 2, if you count a singlespeed as an XC bike) so this is intended for "gravity" duty. As for the PSI, the 175 is in the shock, not the fork. I run the Reba at 125+ and 120-. Never had a problem with the fork.

    What sort of "riding style" is the intended style for the Covert? I climb, I go downhill. I like to go downhill as fast as possible - not unusual to hit low 30's mph on most trails. Is that the wrong style? I'm not trying to be sarcastic - just wondering what sort of style of riding I'm not doing.

    Not sure what is meant that the Covert is not the sort of bike to be ridden with the saddle at full "XC height." How else do you pedal up a hill? And, isn't that the point of a dropper post? To be able to climb with the saddle at "XC height" and still slam it on the downhill? I have a KS Lev on the Covert and have no problem with the downhills except that with the short stem and short ETT, I still feel like my weight is pretty far forward even with the saddle lowered. Are we saying that the Covert is something to be ridden with the saddle lower than normal at all times?

    I agree - the Ripley and Covert are not directly comparable (the Bandit is probably a better comparison.) My impression of the Ripley was yes, definitely more XC biased, but still a very capable trail bike if you build it the right way. Travel felt bottomless, the BB height was comparatively low and it cornered tight singletrack like it was on rails. That said, point the Covert down a steep and rocky trail and blammo - good times. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of steep and rocky around here.

    I'm not at all ready to give up on the Covert - I do think adding 13mm of a-2-c with a Pike and a 10mm longer stem will do the trick. And, if not, hey - there are lots of long travel 29'ers out there.

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    I also have some similar complaints about the shock, it just doesn't seem to work for me, whether its the valving or what. I really love this bike and don't want to give up on it yet so i just sent the shock to PUSH to see if they could work some magic. Hopefully I'll report back with improved characteristics.
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    Maybe this is the sort of riding style for which the Covert is built:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig View Post
    Are we saying that the Covert is something to be ridden with the saddle lower than normal at all times?
    Hell no, it pedals and climbs very well for a full travel bike, I think evasive just meant it's not really intended for doing big mile or big vert(up) rides, altho I'm sure some folks certainly do. I've done a few rides with around 3k climbing but that was mostly fireroad work to get to the goods, with some light wheels/tires I think it could easily tackle a big XC style ride. I have a steel HT with carbon wheels and I really want to swap those wheels to the Covert and try it out, just haven't gotten to it yet and now winter is almost here.

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    Absolutely - the Covert climbs amazing well - better than the Bandit, better than the RIP, and probably better than the Jet 9. I have no problems with the way it climbs - I see climbing as its strongest point. I bested my PR on a longer climb yesterday - and the PR I had on it was on a carbon hardtail. (And then bested my PR on the long-ish somewhat rocky downhill that follows the climb.) My only issue is with fit. I'm thinking, again, a longer fork and longer stem will go a long way to solving my fit issues.

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    I'll try to clarify: what I mean is that climbing is the only time I find full XC saddle height to be comfortable. Otherwise, if I have the saddle all the way up, I get that OTB feeling described in the OP. That's a function both of the steeper STA bringing the saddle forward, and in my case, a relatively slammed stem/bar on a low stack height. When I'm riding a rolling trail or moderate grade, I do in fact have my saddle down a notch. However, the flip side of that is that I think it makes for a fantastic climbing position, whether technical, steep or both. When I'm perched on the saddle nose for a really steep climb, I'm well positioned between the axles and over the BB.

    The compact cockpit style of geometry really lends itself to an upright position while seated. Based on what I've felt myself, I think trying to achieve a more traditional MTB fit on that kind of geometry would feel awkward, and what you describe in your OP is suggestive of that. So as far as the riding style I meant, for me personally I'd say that I climb to descend and don't care about the level. My ride profiles tend to be up and then down, ~1k in town, 2K+ if I'm out in the woods. Not that you can't do that with even an XC bike (some of the fastest guys here do). But I'm not trying to be fast on moderate terrain, so I'm content to have an upright seated position when I'm pedaling in those circumstances. If I wanted to put the hammer down on rolling trails, I'd want a longer cockpit with a slacker STA so that I could achieve a more traditional XC position.

    I think your feeling of OTB susceptibility could be addressed a bit by raising the front end. A longer fork would help with that. I didn't notice if you mentioned how many spacers you have under the stem.

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    We have a few of the rolly-poly trails out here, and I do drop the saddle a tad for those. I rarely if ever leave the saddle at full mast except when I'm climbing. Our climbs tend to be long (1 - 5 miles on any single trail, depending on route) steady and gradual - maybe 8% to 12% grades with a few punchy steeps of 20% or more here and there. I am way more upright than I've ever been on a bike, which in and of itself doesn't bother me, but it does give me the feeling of being really "tall." I've got about 25mm of spacers under the stem (down from 30mm.) I think 10mm more of axle to crown will really do the trick - slacken the angles a bit and raise the front end relative to the saddle, while reducing the reach and lengthening the ETT. Which is pretty much what I'm looking for!

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    OK, put in another 20 miles and 5000 feet of elevation yesterday, a significant portion of which was rolly up and down trail. I get the geometry now - I understand the point. The more upright STA and short ETT keep you centered between the axles, which has significant benefits both up and down. I'm used to shifting my weight way back on any downhill and forward on uphills, but keeping the weight centered has traction and handling upsides. Having ridden my XC bike on Friday and then back to the Covert on Saturday, I'm starting to like the more upright position. I was railing tight, bermed corners that I haven't been able to keep all my speed through. It was just a mindset change - accepting the positioning rather than fighting it. Now, I'm thinking a 150 Pike may actually be negative for handling. I may just go for a 140 Pike instead. Thanks for the feedback.

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    I agree about being centered on the bike with the geometry. I had an older Sultan before and it had a loooong TT which felt good from a fit perspective, but I used to have to get my butt way off the back on steep descents and shift my weight forward on the climbs. I don't move around nearly as much on the Covert, just stay centered, also better traction with the front end on steep climbs.

    I really like the handling with the 140 Revelation for trail rides, but will probably try the 150 Pike anyways.

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    Here is Keith Bontragers opinion of the KOPS system: The Myth of K.O.P.S.


    I want a Covert 29 or prime, and I expect the bike to under perform on the uphill, but this compromise should provide for faster and more stable rides downhill.

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