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    Changes for Bandit 29 for 2013?

    Hi, just wondering what the official word is on the Bandit 29 for 2013. Are there changes planned for the bike with the new Covert 29 coming to town. Seems like it would be a shame if the Bandit did change based on all the glowing reviews I keep reading. Anyone have the downlow?

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    NEW MODEL FEATURES
    • Updated trail geometry and 120mm travel front and rear.
    • Longer cockpit length, 69 degree head angle and even shorter chainstay length.
    • Optional 130mm travel Fox 34 fork replicates 2012 geometry.
    • Wider 22.2mm shock spacing for increased durability.

    http://www.dynamicbike.ch/mondraker/...13_preview.pdf
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    Yes... But the question is how much?!

    for 2012 I was deadcenter between a medium and a large (1m78) and if they lengten the toptube on the medium enough it should fit like a glove!

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    I don't see how going with a fox 34 130mm fork can offset the lengthened top tube to 'replicate' 2012 geometry...unless i'm missing something else...
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    If anyone else prefers the 2012 bandit with its longer travel and slacker geometry over the 2013 (and doesn't want to wait for the covert), my LBS in Golden still has 2 large black 2012 frames available (as of last week, anyway).

    I personally picked the 2012 bandit after seeing the upcoming changes and not wanting to wait for the covert (and lose the water bottle mount). This is the best bike I've ridden and I demo'ed over 20 other bikes before making the purchase. I'm sure the 2013's will be stellar as well

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    My LBS has the color options for the covert and bandit 29 for 2013, in my opinion terrible colours. brown, grey (as best i could tell from the small pic) and white for the covert where has the hi vis gone??

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrower78 View Post
    My LBS has the color options for the covert and bandit 29 for 2013, in my opinion terrible colours. brown, grey (as best i could tell from the small pic) and white for the covert where has the hi vis gone??
    Different colors listed here.

    Bandit 29 is white, black, and cyan.

    Covert 29 is white, brown, black.

    http://www.openbikesshop.fr/app/down...ineup+2013.pdf
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    Hmmm

    Seems like a shame for the B29 to be changed already given its success. It got such great reviews for its performance, especially its incredible versatility. I wonder if either of the new designs will be as well rounded. Transition certainly has balls for changing it up so soon.

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    Still very plain colours anyway

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    Our shop still has a medium 2012 silver/black if anyone is looking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrower78 View Post
    Still very plain colours anyway
    I agree. The only decent looking bike with the new color changes from the 2013 lineup IMO is the yellow CF Covert and Stealth Black. The rest is kinda meh, especially the 2-tone DH frames.
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    tdotrider -

    The 130 fork will make the 2013 frame closely resemble the 2012 geo, but you're right, there are a few small changes aside from the 10mm reduced travel:

    • 11mm increase in frame reach & wheelbase per size (we have added a small for 2013 as well)
    • 2.8mm shorter chainstay length
    • 6.7mm higher bottom bracket (but you should have 2-3mm less sag)
    • 68 degree H/A (2012 was 68.5 degree)

    Small changes...a bit of shortening in the rear and and a tad more length to the front end/overall length.

    For anyone still interested in a 2012 model, dealers can still order the medium frames in black or pewter and there are still a handful of larges available at some shops. Contact TBC about that - we can point you in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuch View Post
    tdotrider -

    The 130 fork will make the 2013 frame closely resemble the 2012 geo, but you're right, there are a few small changes aside from the 10mm reduced travel:

    • 11mm increase in frame reach & wheelbase per size (we have added a small for 2013 as well)
    • 2.8mm shorter chainstay length
    • 6.7mm higher bottom bracket (but you should have 2-3mm less sag)
    • 68 degree H/A (2012 was 68.5 degree)
    Thx for the info! Could you give me the reach and stack numbers with a 130 and a 120 fox?

    Can we eurotypes get the 130mm fork with a framekit or is it still off limits?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuch View Post
    tdotrider -

    The 130 fork will make the 2013 frame closely resemble the 2012 geo, but you're right, there are a few small changes aside from the 10mm reduced travel:

    • 11mm increase in frame reach & wheelbase per size (we have added a small for 2013 as well)
    • 2.8mm shorter chainstay length
    • 6.7mm higher bottom bracket (but you should have 2-3mm less sag)
    • 68 degree H/A (2012 was 68.5 degree)

    Small changes...a bit of shortening in the rear and and a tad more length to the front end/overall length.

    For anyone still interested in a 2012 model, dealers can still order the medium frames in black or pewter and there are still a handful of larges available at some shops. Contact TBC about that - we can point you in the right direction.
    thanks for the info - I wouldn't mind the slightly longer top tube over my 2012 but that in itself doesn't warrant the switch for me...I'll just continue enjoying the hell out of my b29
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    Interesting. Not the first time I've bought a first-year frame model that was significantly changed the following year. I suppose the intro of the Covert 29 required a reduction in front and rear travel on the Bandit. I, for one, am digging the heck out of the 140/130 set up on my Bandit right now. The ability to go 140/130 is why I bought it. At 120 rear, I'd just as soon waited for Ibis to release the Ripley or bought a RIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdotrider View Post
    I don't see how going with a fox 34 130mm fork can offset the lengthened top tube to 'replicate' 2012 geometry...unless i'm missing something else...
    It does entirely offset the top tube growth, but as the bike is tipped back the horizontal TT does shorten up a little. Here is a run down of the 2013 Bandit 29 geo w/ 130 Fox 34 compared to the 2012 Bandit 29...

    • Roughly 11mm increase in frame reach & wheelbase per size (but we have added a small for 2013 as well)
    • 2.8mm shorter chainstay length
    • 6.7mm higher bottom bracket (but you should have 2-3mm less sag)
    • 68 degree HA (2012 was 68.5 degree)

    This video also summarizes some of this quite nicely.

    I think you guys will find the Covert 29 to be an even better bike than the 2012 Bandit 29 if you want to ride the bike hard. Bigger shock size, lower weight placement and a MUCH stiffer rear end. Very noticable improvements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Bigger shock size, lower weight placement and a MUCH stiffer rear end. Very noticable improvements.
    Where the chain/seat stays beefed up on the new Covert vs. 2012 B29? I've noticed that I'm getting tire rub on the inside of my seatstays - granted I've been using a relatively light wheelset (Stan's Arch EX w/3.30 hubs laced with 2.0/1.7 spokes), are others finding the rear end fo the B29 flexy? I've got a new beefier wheelset on order which I'm hoping is more laterally stiff than the current setup. Right now I can literally push the tire (rampage 2.35) to touch the seatstay WITH MY HAND...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdotrider View Post
    Where the chain/seat stays beefed up on the new Covert vs. 2012 B29? I've noticed that I'm getting tire rub on the inside of my seatstays - granted I've been using a relatively light wheelset (Stan's Arch EX w/3.30 hubs laced with 2.0/1.7 spokes), are others finding the rear end fo the B29 flexy? I've got a new beefier wheelset on order which I'm hoping is more laterally stiff than the current setup. Right now I can literally push the tire (rampage 2.35) to touch the seatstay WITH MY HAND...
    That is probably part frame, part wheels.

    The Covert 29 has larger cross section chainstays and seatstays, plus the seat stay yoke (up by the rocker) is much stouter. In total the rear triangle is much stiffer than the 2012 Bandit 29.

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    Will the Covert29 frame be significantly heavier than the 2012 Bandit29?

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    Any idea on when the 2013 b29 will be available?

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    Thinking of getting a bandit 29er. I am 6'4 should I go large or XL? 80% XC riding. Do we know the weight of a complete build by transition on the b29?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmountainskiercfg View Post
    Thinking of getting a bandit 29er. I am 6'4 should I go large or XL? 80% XC riding. Do we know the weight of a complete build by transition on the b29?
    Definitely XL. And even with that 24.5" ETT you still might be cramped. I'm the same height, and my TransAM with a 24.25" ETT was super small and cramped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Definitely XL. And even with that 24.5" ETT you still might be cramped. I'm the same height, and my TransAM with a 24.25" ETT was super small and cramped.
    FYI - The new 2013 Bandit 29 XL has a 20mm longer reach than the 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    FYI - The new 2013 Bandit 29 XL has a 20mm longer reach than the 2012.
    Huh. Sounds like someone is trying to get you back in the Transition camp again, eurospek. Time for a new frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    Huh. Sounds like someone is trying to get you back in the Transition camp again, eurospek. Time for a new frame!
    Idk, my current Honzo has a 26 ETT" and 464mm of reach, 50mm stem and 785mm bars, and it's the most comfortable hardtail that I've ridden. Flickable and nimble as well and finally a bike that fits proper. It sounded so long on paper looking at geo figures but the first ride was so much different than the TransAM. Nothing in the current Transition line up remotely close to mimick those geo figures, everything runs much shorter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    I think you guys will find the Covert 29 to be an even better bike than the 2012 Bandit 29 if you want to ride the bike hard. Bigger shock size, lower weight placement and a MUCH stiffer rear end. Very noticable improvements.
    Sounds good to me

    What size shock will the Covert29 run? Fingers crossed for 8.5" x 2.5" with 22mm x 8mm mounting hardware....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickyTee View Post

    What size shock will the Covert29 run? Fingers crossed for 8.5" x 2.5" with 22mm x 8mm mounting hardware....
    According to this, the Covert29 has a 7.875x2.25 shock. Sorry.

    http://www.dynamicbike.ch/mondraker/...13_preview.pdf

    Your request for 22.2mm hardware might be right though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    According to this, the Covert29 has a 7.875x2.25 shock. Sorry.

    http://www.dynamicbike.ch/mondraker/...13_preview.pdf

    Your request for 22.2mm hardware might be right though.
    Shame, I've got a CCDB in the bigger size.

    Hey, I could just fit it, then I'd get 155mm travel

    /e-sarc

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    So is the 2013 B29 going to carry on the flickable, poppy, playfulness that everyone seemed to love about the 2012? Shorter chainstays seem to be a way to compensate for the longer tt?
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    Annoying that they're changing the frame as the 2012 looks pretty damn close to the figures I'm after in a new build. I'm thinking the Covert might be too much bike and wondering if the Kona Satori might be a good alternate.
    Rolling on 29", 650b, 8.3" and 23mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement View Post
    Annoying that they're changing the frame as the 2012 looks pretty damn close to the figures I'm after in a new build. I'm thinking the Covert might be too much bike and wondering if the Kona Satori might be a good alternate.
    Isn't the '13 closer to the geo of the Satori, other than 10mm less of travel in the back & back? That being said the Satori looks like a sweet bike.
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    Are there any actual geometry numbers out for the '13 Bandit 29? What about approximate geometry if I want to run my existing 140mm Reba RLT ti on the new Bandit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig View Post
    Are there any actual geometry numbers out for the '13 Bandit 29? What about approximate geometry if I want to run my existing 140mm Reba RLT ti on the new Bandit?
    http://www.29eronline.com/2013-transition-bikes/

    About all I've seen with regards to geometry. Hope it helps.

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    I'd like to see pics of the seat clamp listed - "34.9mm Bolt-On with Dropper Post Guide." Cool feature! I've seen it on other manufacturers bikes as well. Good for TR for adding those little touches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    2013 Transition Bikes Bandit and Covert 29er | 29er Online

    About all I've seen with regards to geometry. Hope it helps.
    Yes, that does help - thanks.

    There's not a whole lot of difference in geometry between the '12 L and XL and the '13 L and XL. ETT in the L changed all of 1/10th of an inch (23.5" to 23.6") and the ETT on the XL is unchanged. Seat tube lengths are the same. Wheelbase did drop a little less than 1/2 an inch on both. Head and seat tube angles are both steeper (which would logically result from dropping the front travel from 140 to 120.) Odd angles to be pairing with those travel lengths and tube lengths - heck, the Scott Scale 29 hardtail I used to ride had a slacker head angle than that and only 100mm of travel up front.

    I'm sorta not seeing the point of the new Bandit. Seems like it would have made more sense to just to call the '13 Covert the '13 Bandit and not had this strange new "tweener" Bandit frame. Glad I bought a '12 Bandit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdotrider View Post
    Where the chain/seat stays beefed up on the new Covert vs. 2012 B29? I've noticed that I'm getting tire rub on the inside of my seatstays - granted I've been using a relatively light wheelset (Stan's Arch EX w/3.30 hubs laced with 2.0/1.7 spokes), are others finding the rear end fo the B29 flexy? I've got a new beefier wheelset on order which I'm hoping is more laterally stiff than the current setup. Right now I can literally push the tire (rampage 2.35) to touch the seatstay WITH MY HAND...
    I upgraded to Sunringle straight pull hubs on a set of Flows x142 rear. SOO stiff and on the front I was amazed at the response of steering input. I got in 18 runs on them Monday five of which were a jump trail and they are straight as an arrow, made a huge difference. Shedding all that extra weight was a definite bonus as well !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig View Post
    Yes, that does help - thanks.

    There's not a whole lot of difference in geometry between the '12 L and XL and the '13 L and XL. ETT in the L changed all of 1/10th of an inch (23.5" to 23.6") and the ETT on the XL is unchanged. Seat tube lengths are the same. Wheelbase did drop a little less than 1/2 an inch on both. Head and seat tube angles are both steeper (which would logically result from dropping the front travel from 140 to 120.) Odd angles to be pairing with those travel lengths and tube lengths - heck, the Scott Scale 29 hardtail I used to ride had a slacker head angle than that and only 100mm of travel up front.

    I'm sorta not seeing the point of the new Bandit. Seems like it would have made more sense to just to call the '13 Covert the '13 Bandit and not had this strange new "tweener" Bandit frame. Glad I bought a '12 Bandit....
    FYI that how we display top tube length has changed for 2013. The 2013 frames are in fact longer, compare the reach numbers between the two model years. In 2012 we listed the horizontal distance from the HT to an arbitrary "74 degree" line from the BB. Because of the offset seat tube you only achieve that seat tube angle at one seat height. This year we are listing the mesurable distance from the center of the HT to the center of the seatpost. As a result, it looks shorter. Last year we had people measure their bikes that way, compare it to the website and call to complain that the TT length was shorter than we claimed. You can't win...

    Keep in mind we are offering the 34 Float 130mm fork this year, which gets you to a 68 degree head angle and similar BB height to last year. Plus, with the 120mm rear travel we were able to shorten the chainstay a bit from last year. Between the 2013 Bandit 29 and Covert 29 we have a LOT of build options in trail 29ers. Technically have...

    67.5-69 head angles
    120 or 140 rear travel
    120-150 front travel

    Just mix and match 2 frames and 4 forks.

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    Does the 2013 bandit pedal much differently than the 2012? Is the rear end any stiffer?
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