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    ccdb air on carbon covert

    Hi peeps,

    Torn between a ccdb coil or air for the covert.
    Already hav a coil on my 951 and loved it
    So was thinking of getting the ccdb for the covert
    Being a trail/am bike wanna go air for a lighter build.
    So shd I do it?

    There is a new xv version with a larger air can, will that be able to replicate the feel of a coil better and prevents it for heating up often compared to the normal ccdb air
    I am 220lbs btw and the fork is a deville 160

    Thanks a bunch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lmc78 View Post
    Hi peeps,

    Torn between a ccdb coil or air for the covert.
    Already hav a coil on my 951 and loved it
    So was thinking of getting the ccdb for the covert
    Being a trail/am bike wanna go air for a lighter build.
    So shd I do it?

    There is a new xv version with a larger air can, will that be able to replicate the feel of a coil better and prevents it for heating up often compared to the normal ccdb air
    I am 220lbs btw and the fork is a deville 160

    Thanks a bunch!
    I've been thinking about getting a carbon covert to replace my Knolly delirium which has a ccdb air on it.
    After switching out a ccdb coil for the air version on the Knolly last year I'd say the air shock is definitly the way to go for the Covert.

    It works great on the delirium and I've not once wished I had the coil back on there.

    I think the need for a High volume can will depend on the frame design.
    Heat build up has never been an issue for me and mine's a standard shock but with the later high flow sleeve fitted (which was a warranty thing as the early shocks couldn't get full travel on some frame designs). On the knolly there's just no real benefit from the high volume can.

    Your probably best talking to either Cane creek or Transition to see what they recommend, although if you do get the high volume can you could always change the volume with the rubber band reducer things you get with the shock.

    I'd be very keen to hear your views on the frame with the shock once you've got it all built up.

    Cheers

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    Thanks for the feedback.

    Got a friend with a mojo hd on the ccdb air, it rides like a magic carpet
    There is no bob and it just eats up the bumps...rode over a hump and did feel any bounce or bob
    Thats was the reason why I had wanted to move to the air.

    Friend had only set the sag n have not fine tune it yet but it felt smooth

    Will talk to tranisition and cane creek to get their feedback

    Will update u guys when I get my first ride on it.

    Thanks

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    Any update about the CCDB and the Carbon Covert ???

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    Have spoken to cane creek, they mentioned that they have not tested the ccdb air on d covert
    However looking at the susp design, the normal ccdb air is sufficient, no need for the larger air can
    I am still waiting for the delivery of the shock.
    Currently outta stocks at my LBS

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    Im in the other corner ^^, have a CCDB air (that I used on my Ibis Mojo HD, which I sold one week ago).... Im waiting for the covert carbon frame.
    As soon as I have the complete bike Ill post my impressions (y)

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    Pending the ccdb air n installing of the csixx guide n crankset
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    I've also got a CCDB-air on order to go with carbon Covert (Black). Waiting for both to arrive, hopefully in 2-3 weeks. Spoke to Cane Creek and Transition who both thought the standard air can would be the best option. Will be very interested in the shock settings that you guys start out with if you could post them? Shame that Cane Creek hasn't had time to trial a Covert and post base settings. So much easier to have a recommended starting point.
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    Different bike but I put one on my 2013 Bandit 29. Two rides so far and it just kills with the CCDB air. It makes the fox ctd look like a toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    Different bike but I put one on my 2013 Bandit 29. Two rides so far and it just kills with the CCDB air. It makes the fox ctd look like a toy.
    If you have the time, could you post the settings you're using with this shock? Much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBY View Post
    If you have the time, could you post the settings you're using with this shock? Much appreciated!
    They are not far from factory. 32-33% sag, I added about a half turn more of HSC and 2 more clicks of LSR. If you buy from Kevin at mtbsuspensionexperts.com he will give you some recommeded settings to start with. Then take a look at the Cane Creek field tuning guide to dial in what you like/don't like.

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    We would recommend the regular air volume on the Carbon Covert. A CCDB Coil is not recommended, since the frame design is based around a progressive air spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    They are not far from factory. 32-33% sag, I added about a half turn more of HSC and 2 more clicks of LSR. If you buy from Kevin at mtbsuspensionexperts.com he will give you some recommeded settings to start with. Then take a look at the Cane Creek field tuning guide to dial in what you like/don't like.
    Thanks so much!

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    Anyone have some updates on this? Or at least some ideas for baseline settings aside from going from the middle of the range like CC says then tuning each setting incrementally.

    I'm just waiting for my mounting hardware from CC.

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    Hi MikeyOrange, what is the mounting hardware sizes for de DB on a Covert Carbon ???

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    Should be 22.20mm front and rear

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    Thank you so much (y)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyOrange View Post
    Anyone have some updates on this? Or at least some ideas for baseline settings aside from going from the middle of the range like CC says then tuning each setting incrementally.

    I'm just waiting for my mounting hardware from CC.
    Honestly, I would look over the Cane Creek field tuning guide that comes with it and tune what you do/don't like about the shock. The guide is actually very helpful as small adjustments can make a big difference on this shock.

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    CCDB-A Up n running

    All parts finally arrived couple of weeks back. Had a few rides and starting to get a workable tune. Its been a bit of a path getting it set up, especially with throwing the geometry out a little via my fork of choice, but feeling good about it so far. The tune I am running at present is: large air volume reducer, 95psi (I am 175lb loaded) 18 clicks LSC, 1 turn HSC, 6 clicks LSR, 3/4 turns HSR. Im getting about 33% sag which seems to feel about right. Will update as I narrow it down some more.



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    That is one beautifully overbuilt covert.

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    Wow Boxxer on a Convert. That's not too much fork??
    2016 Santa Cruz Hightower 29er
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    Hey hey... yea the boxxer is a bit of an experiment. Its all about running a stiff-as front end. Most of our riding is pretty fast over some really gnarly terrain. Its nothing you cant handle on 160-180mm forks, but when beating your mates is paramount every edge counts. And I also want a bike that can be pedaled uphill and all day long. So with the covert C it fits nicely with a stiff strong frame, plenty of travel but not an un-pedalable DH rig. My goal was to run 40% sag on the fork so that the riding geometry wasn't to unsettled. Starting to get the balance of tune between front and rear about right, I can say that with 38psi in the fork it is one stiff and plush front end...
    Interestingly weight wasn't too much of a concern, but as you see it in the pic's it is 13.9 kg (30.6Lb) which is about the lightest bike I've ever seen with triple clamps...
    For me; Want and Need are much the same thing...

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    sounds to me like an unfair advantage using a downhill fork when your mates obviously have to rely on skill, flair, technique and good looks.

    hang your head in shame!

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    Beautiful !!!
    Matched with a Lyrik DH or the new Pike 2014 would be perfect

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLL2011 View Post
    Im in the other corner ^^, have a CCDB air (that I used on my Ibis Mojo HD, which I sold one week ago).... Im waiting for the covert carbon frame.
    As soon as I have the complete bike Ill post my impressions (y)
    No bike yet? I'm curious what you think of the Covert coming from the MojoHD.

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    Well, my frame just came 2 days ago.
    After building the bike at night, I got only a little chance to test it on a local trail that I know very well.
    First I must say that I was not able to test it with the DBair, I used the DHX RC4 which came with the bike instead, because I wanted to look at some differences between both rear shocks.
    Said that, Im impressed how good the bike climbs even with the coil shock (no propedal, no pedal platform or any garbage like that), or may be due to the size L.... I was using a M on the Mojo HD (same wheels, same tires). Anyway it climbs great.
    On the downhill.... jejejejejeej great feelings, the rear wheel was glued to the trail on every corner & every bump with a very plush and bottomless feel.
    At night I recovered my DBair (from the Mojo I sold) and fitted to the Transition. After a little test on a parking I set the sag at 31% with 110psi (no reducers).
    Set 5 clicks LSC, 1 turn HSC, 22 clicks LSR, 1 turns HSR getting a very coil-like feeling.
    Tomorrow Im going to an epic trail with my folks so those setting will change for sure.
    Ill be posting my impressions !!!




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    Nice! Your bike looks dialed!

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    Well folks, my first ride with the DBair on the transition covert.
    Initial dialing:
    110psi (no reducers). 31% sag
    Set 5 clicks LSC, 1 turn HSC, 22 clicks LSR, 1 turns HSR
    Rider weight 185lbs

    Went to a local trail that I know very well. The real wheel was doing strange things on straight lines with square edges: it goes suddenly from on side to another... on the first two rounds. Also it was hard to unweight to claear jumps. No bottoming
    After a few tries I ended with: 10 clicks LSC, 1 turn HSC, 10 clicks LSR, 2,5 turns HSR
    The ride was night and day with the changes... Ill test some other changes during the week and post it.

    What about your experience Rocroc ???

    Cheers !!!




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    Interesting, I see that your settings are not all that far from mine other than running a reducer. Without the reducer how are you finding it sitting in the travel? I didn't really have a problem blowing through the travel as such, but just had noticed that it was slightly wallowy on fast cornering and pedal strike was pretty common. Large reducer took car of that.
    I've had a few more rides now and have tweaked the settings a little further, which has helped with the finer points on jumping and high-speed descents. Definitely feel the CCDB-A is living up to its claims, and its a good match for the Covert. I've got a Fox Van coil sitting round that I will stick on to compare as well, but so far I would say its going to be hard to beat the double barrel.
    Tweaked settings:
    Large Reducer
    PSI 95
    HSR Turns 2
    LSR Clicks 6
    HSC Turns 1.1/4
    LSC Clicks 13
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