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    Brand new model... Bandit 29


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    if it keep$ the revenue $tream-a-flowin and the door$ open, bring on the wagon wheel in the quiver...not that i'm gonna be replacing soon but please keep my beloved covert and transams 6ers. did you guys go out drinkin with Gary Fisher? tr.4life

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    Well... we did think "The Cash Money" would be a good name at first... but realized later that some people might not get the joke. LOL

    Seriously though, a few people here were skeptics and a few people wanted something like this badly. Compared to 26 bikes, the 29 really does attack aggressive terrain well. On a pumpy jumpy trail the 26 wins without question, but in the tech and gnar the big wheels definitely help you pick aggressive lines and come out of sections with more speed.

    We were initially pretty tight lipped about this project, but once everyone realized how much fun the bike was going to production was a no brainer.

    Keep an open mind and give it a shot. Maybe it's for you, maybe it isn't...

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    you guys pedal what you pu$h so I have no doubt you guys always do your homework and are in it cuz you believe in it.

    Had a Soulcraft 29er for a bit 5-6yrs ago. It was a HT so not as progressive as what is out now. The weakness was always the wheel build for me. I grew up on bmx and just found that the handling for my style of riding with 29er geo never felt dialled. I really tried to like it for a solid year but..

    Anyway, I wish you guys the best with the bike. nothin but love for my Tr. quiver! gotta tell my 29heavy LBS about it though. this would be much cooler than the niners , salsas & speshes that sit everywhere on the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 53119 View Post
    you guys pedal what you pu$h so I have no doubt you guys always do your homework and are in it cuz you believe in it.

    Had a Soulcraft 29er for a bit 5-6yrs ago. It was a HT so not as progressive as what is out now. The weakness was always the wheel build for me. I grew up on bmx and just found that the handling for my style of riding with 29er geo never felt dialled. I really tried to like it for a solid year but..

    Anyway, I wish you guys the best with the bike. nothin but love for my Tr. quiver!
    I think that pretty much explains it... the ride of this bike definitely hits "all mountain" from more of the stable DH side of the spectrum and less from the quick and pumpy BMX side.

    Definitely a different ride, and it doesn't suit everyone, nor every region.

    It's all about choice! And don't you worry... our 26 bikes definitely aren't going way.

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    [ And don't you worry... our 26 bikes definitely aren't going way.[/QUOTE]

    okay, i read that here on the interweb so it must be true!

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    Holey! This is awesome guys, I will be making an order very soon.

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    delivery date?

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    This is a 2012 model, they will be available around December/January.

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    Hahah I just was reading the bandit thread about half the people were freaking out asking for a 29er now I bet there just sitting there drooling.. I am, I'd like to give it a try.
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    Great to see!

    It appears you guys nailed it first try on an AM 29er. Got any GEO numbers or colors yet? Frame weight?

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    Tell us about the replaceable dropouts.

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    Funny how many people are skeptical about the 29er. Admittedly, I work at a GF dealer in the southeast. I was forced to move here by my lovely fiance but lived the last 10 years in Utah where 29ers were like fat pow skis, a good addition to your quiver but it's not your everyday trail bike. When I moved here I noticed almost everyone has one and honestly that's why I built mine ( because of the terrain, not because everyone else rides one).

    I ride an SS 29er but am def. not a spandex wearing XC guy...they just excel really well in the technical terrain that the east coast has to offer. If there are any skiers on here I think people look at 29ers like I look at Telemark skiers...for crusty bros who just want to be different. However, I can charge equally as hard on ( I just typed "hard on" ) a 29er as I can on my 26 inch bike ( if not harder )...I'm smoking dudes on geared 26 inch bikes and it's not the motor ( trust me ). There are pros and cons for sure.

    I just finished my TransAm build and after not riding a 26 inch bike for almost a year I was wishing my TransAm was a 29er...people on these forums related me to someone who owns Roller Blades. Pretty funny ****, I'll admit but until you ride one don't knock it.

    I was out in Utah last week and noticed my old shop was carrying even more 29ers since I left. There is a demand...an industry trade magazine I think said that 29ers were up almost 125% this year ( I'm probably getting that number wrong but it's close ). I think now that the fork manufacturers are starting to offer more trail bike oriented 29er forks with longer travel it's starting to open up options to companies like Transition. I'm stoked that a company like Transition is building 29ers and I look forward to ordering one ASAP. This will complete my quiver of bikes quite nicely.
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    I am waiting for the Double 29.

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    Might this be an excuse to give the big hoops a try?

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    I'm liking this. I assume it will be priced similar to the Bandit 26er?
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm liking this. I assume it will be priced similar to the Bandit 26er?
    I'm just hoping there is an option for a similar "baller" build kit.

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    142 axle question?

    I haven't been following the evolution of the 142x12 axle.

    Will the axle be included with the frame? If not, will it be available through Transition?

    And the Shimano vs Syntace system...

    The little that I have read, it seems that any hub that is 142 compatible will work, all that is different is the interface between the axle and the frame. So, if a frame is designed around the Shimano system, a Shimano axle will need to be used, if the frame is designed around the Syntace system, a Syntace compatible axle will need to be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I haven't been following the evolution of the 142x12 axle.

    Will the axle be included with the frame? If not, will it be available through Transition?

    And the Shimano vs Syntace system...

    The little that I have read, it seems that any hub that is 142 compatible will work, all that is different is the interface between the axle and the frame. So, if a frame is designed around the Shimano system, a Shimano axle will need to be used, if the frame is designed around the Syntace system, a Syntace compatible axle will need to be used.
    Yes. Our own Transition bolt on axle will be included with the frame. These dropouts are compatible with the Shimano QR axle if you want to upgrade it to QR later. And you are right... if the frame fits the Shimano standard, only Shimano (style) axles work with it and vice versa with Syntace X12 dropouts. Fortunately... a 142mm x 12mm hub is the same for any dropout.

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    The good news is, our wheels and hubs of ALL generations are fully convertible to 12mm x 142mm and we will have good stock of conversion kits availale for sale. So if you are builing a bike from the frame up and have our wheels, you can convert them! Most other hub makers are offering 142mm conversions for their wheels as well. But to make sure no one gets screwed over, we will be offering optional 10mm x 135mm dropouts seperately if you have a hub that won't convert, or just plain don't like change.

    Expect to see these same dropouts on more and more of our bikes soon.

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    are you going to have your own 29er wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelsman View Post
    are you going to have your own 29er wheels?
    Yes - our same hubset with a Revolution 28 rolled in 29" diameter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Expect to see these same dropouts on more and more of our bikes soon.
    The first part of your post makes it sound like people already have your revo hubs laced to 29" wheels, which I think is hopeful to say the least.

    The interesting part of your post is the quote above.
    Does this mean all your bikes will come with the 135mm spacing as an option soon?
    What about 150mm spaced bikes those going to have the conversion, too?
    Or will 142mm eventually become the "new" "standard"?

    It looks like trek claims this "new" "standard" is about ease of use. Click
    And then Syntace claims it is all about stiffness and lightness thanks solely to their clamping design, which without the clamping, one would assume negates any real advantages. Click
    I didn't look for why shimano is jumping on the band wagon, but I'm sure it is a combination of both.
    Which benefits are you trying to achieve?
    Do you have any video or close up pictures of your design in both phases 135 and 142?

    I'm not knocking the decision just trying to understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    I am waiting for the Double 29.
    I'm waiting for the TR290. Ah, yeah!

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    The 142x12 system offers two primary advantages. The wheel is easier to install because the wider axle sits directly into a machined area of the dropout. So you don't have to manually line the hub up with the axle - the hub rests in a specific spot on the frame and the axle lines up easily. The other advantage is the additional stiffness of a 12mm diameter axle vs a 10mm system.

    The Shimano 142x12 system is nice because it offers a proven QR system. If you've seen any newer Fox fork with a 15mm QR, the function is essentially the same. No tools needed to get the wheel on and off is a big bonus for a lot of riders.

    To see a better image of how the TR dropout system will work, check out the closeup photo of the cassette on the Bandit 29 page of Transition's homepage here - http://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Bandit29.cfm

    That is a closeup of the 142x12 dropout with the Transition aluminum 142x12 axle in use. The frame will come standard with that axle and that dropout. If you want to upgrade to a QR 142, you just need to buy the Shimano axle and it will slide right in. If you have a 135x10 wheel that you want to use and can't upgrade your hub to a 142x12 system, you'll just need a set of the 135x10 dropouts. The entire dropout (the black piece held in place by two silver bolts) will come off and you'll put the 135x10 dropouts in their place. Hook up your existing wheel and you're good to go.

    Really, it's all about having options. 142x12 offers enough of an advantage that there's no reason not to use it if you're building up a new bike. But plenty of riders wont be ready to make the switch or wont be able to change the axle system on their existing hubs, so the addition of a 10x135 dropout will allow that rider to get rolling affordably and quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuch View Post
    The 142x12 system offers two primary advantages. The wheel is easier to install because the wider axle sits directly into a machined area of the dropout. So you don't have to manually line the hub up with the axle - the hub rests in a specific spot on the frame and the axle lines up easily. The other advantage is the additional stiffness of a 12mm diameter axle vs a 10mm system.

    The Shimano 142x12 system is nice because it offers a proven QR system. If you've seen any newer Fox fork with a 15mm QR, the function is essentially the same. No tools needed to get the wheel on and off is a big bonus for a lot of riders.

    To see a better image of how the TR dropout system will work, check out the closeup photo of the cassette on the Bandit 29 page of Transition's homepage here - http://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Bandit29.cfm

    That is a closeup of the 142x12 dropout with the Transition aluminum 142x12 axle in use. The frame will come standard with that axle and that dropout. If you want to upgrade to a QR 142, you just need to buy the Shimano axle and it will slide right in. If you have a 135x10 wheel that you want to use and can't upgrade your hub to a 142x12 system, you'll just need a set of the 135x10 dropouts. The entire dropout (the black piece held in place by two silver bolts) will come off and you'll put the 135x10 dropouts in their place. Hook up your existing wheel and you're good to go.

    Really, it's all about having options. 142x12 offers enough of an advantage that there's no reason not to use it if you're building up a new bike. But plenty of riders wont be ready to make the switch or wont be able to change the axle system on their existing hubs, so the addition of a 10x135 dropout will allow that rider to get rolling affordably and quickly.
    So to you options is the important reason.
    Never had a need for a tool for my 07 fox fork with a 20mm thruaxle.
    And I never take my rear axle out of the hub to install the rear wheel, so I'm not seeing any ease of use advantage there.
    Certainly a design that prohibits the rear wheel from dropping out of the "dropouts" without removing the axle will lead to the ease of axle reinstall, thanks to machined hub inserts.
    But isn't this a problem solved by the problem being created in the first place? Is that a real advantage?

    I get Syntace's claims, thanks to the dropout redesign, but I'm not seeing that design in the linked picture. And since your only talking about the shimano axle that must mean Transition isn't going to redesign the dropout right? Or is that for the future when the dust settles and 142 is the "new" "standard"?
    Along these lines there can be no stiffness advantage to just converting the hub cause the body remains the same 135mm width.
    Also in the link I posted from trek, they are pretty animate that the 142X12mm hub/axle alone, does not increase stiffness, it is only about ease of use. See my comment above for my thoughts on that.

    I guess my questions still stand for Transition to answer.

    I won't be buying a full suspension 29er but another transition is most certainly in my future, hence my curiosity in the "Expect to see these same dropouts on more and more bikes in the future".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyrider View Post
    So to you options is the important reason.
    Never had a need for a tool for my 07 fox fork with a 20mm thruaxle.
    And I never take my rear axle out of the hub to install the rear wheel, so I'm not seeing any ease of use advantage there.
    Certainly a design that prohibits the rear wheel from dropping out of the "dropouts" without removing the axle will lead to the ease of axle reinstall, thanks to machined hub inserts.
    But isn't this a problem solved by the problem being created in the first place? Is that a real advantage?

    I get Syntace's claims, thanks to the dropout redesign, but I'm not seeing that design in the linked picture. And since your only talking about the shimano axle that must mean Transition isn't going to redesign the dropout right? Or is that for the future when the dust settles and 142 is the "new" "standard"?
    Along these lines there can be no stiffness advantage to just converting the hub cause the body remains the same 135mm width.
    Also in the link I posted from trek, they are pretty animate that the 142X12mm hub/axle alone, does not increase stiffness, it is only about ease of use. See my comment above for my thoughts on that.

    I guess my questions still stand for Transition to answer.

    I won't be buying a full suspension 29er but another transition is most certainly in my future, hence my curiosity in the "Expect to see these same dropouts on more and more bikes in the future".
    To summarize the reasons...

    12mm thru axle frames are stiffer than 10mm vertical dropout frames. But... a 12mm thru axle requires you to pull the axle all the way out of the hub to take the wheel on and off. As a result, it can be a real pain to line up the hub in the frame when you put the axle back in since there is nothing to locate it in the correct spot.

    All the 142mm systems add 3.5mm of "dropout" to each side of the hub/frame that let you set the wheel up into the frame and positively locate it in the correct spot, just like a 10mm dropout. Then sliding your 12mm thru axle into the hub is a lot easier because the hub is in exactly the right spot everytime.

    12mm x 142mm provides all the stiffness (and strength) benefits of a 12mm thru axle but also keeps the ease of installion we are used to with 10mm vertical dropouts.

    The dropout you see in the pics is 100% compatible with Shimano's QR axle. Syntace is a different standard, and we felt the Shimano system is better option because it still allows the use of a QR lever or a bolt on axle like we have shown. Syntace offers no QR option...

    The dropouts you see in that linked photo will be used on other models in the future. All I can really say for now.

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    I've got an Intense Tracer 2 in the shop here. It came with standard qr and I later took advantage of the modular dropouts to introduce a 12x142 to the bike. Same hub (DT240), too. WAY stiffer. There's a lot more to rear end stiffness than the width of the axle. I'm converted already. There's a reason there is a thru axle on your fork. I look at it like we're finally shedding some of the last ancient road bike technology left on a mountain bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr View Post
    I've got an Intense Tracer 2 in the shop here. It came with standard qr and I later took advantage of the modular dropouts to introduce a 12x142 to the bike. Same hub (DT240), too. WAY stiffer. There's a lot more to rear end stiffness than the width of the axle. I'm converted already. There's a reason there is a thru axle on your fork. I look at it like we're finally shedding some of the last ancient road bike technology left on a mountain bike.
    Yes! Exactly... we have found the same thing.... huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    The dropout you see in the pics is 100% compatible with Shimano's QR axle. Syntace is a different standard, and we felt the Shimano system is better option because it still allows the use of a QR lever or a bolt on axle like we have shown. Syntace offers no QR option...

    The dropouts you see in that linked photo will be used on other models in the future. All I can really say for now.
    I think DT makes a Syntace QR
    http://www.dtswiss.com/Products/Comp.../RWS-X-12.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    Well there you go! Glad they are offering that... otherwise bikes with Syntace dropouts have some definite short comings.

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    Sorry if I missed it, but is there a date on when you will release a video of you guys shredding on this thing? I always dig watching the video's per bike on your site and I think I check daily for the 29er video haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmtthw View Post
    Sorry if I missed it, but is there a date on when you will release a video of you guys shredding on this thing? I always dig watching the video's per bike on your site and I think I check daily for the 29er video haha.

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    I don't blame you. It looked like a killer time from the vids I was seeing. Ill be standing by, thanks for the response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Working on it! We had too much fun at Crankworx so we got behind schedule a little...
    Very true!

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    Pretty convincing video



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    Nice vid.

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    Sweet trails too!

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    Sweet Video, I so want this bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme View Post
    Sweet trails too!
    What trails were they on?

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    Sick video! The rig looks like it can handle everything that I would want to do. It's great to see people actually getting a 29er off the ground. That has been one of my worries, not that I'm some ripper who jumps everyday and sends it, but I like to do doubles and drop's from time to time at a medium range size. 29er's are getting huge and there are a few companies that are building these bigger style, more travel rigs to handle all this but I never see anyone ridding them in that style. So seeing this video really was great! Did you happen to have any issues with your wheels during your testing phase? Thats one other detail I'm trying to nail down is the flex issue or the strength on the bigger size wheels and thrashing around a little. I really like how the rear is thru-axel, just curious on the overall strength in the wheels and how they held up during the more aggressive riding. Thanks again for the video, time to save.....

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    I'm a tall rider (6.7) riding on an XL Banshee Rune and I'm looking for an all-mountain (enduro like we say in France) 29er.
    I'm still wondering if a Bandit 29 would do the job on races such as Megavalanche at the Alpe d'Huez or if a Covert is better for this kind of terrain.

    What's your opinion ?

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    YAY! I have been waiting for a bike like this! I have had a low end XC HT 29er for 2 years now. It has been really fun but I know the potential for AMAZING all mountain riding with the 29. Been disappointed how no one seemed to be building a fun, slack rig.

    With a 230 riding weight I am still skeptical of 29 wheels and 29 forks (20mm axle front and 12mm axle rear FINALLY!). I dont appreciate flex. Glad Fox finally came out with a 34mm stanchion fork (how are these btw?), still would like to see a 160mm 36 float 29 (in this case dropped to 140 or 150)
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    Looks like it has a short tt for a 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrdude View Post
    Looks like it has a short tt for a 29er.
    It does compared to most 29ers. Part of this is because the seat angle is on the steep side (74 degrees or even a little steeper when measure horizontal to the headtube). But additionally the somewhat slack headangle requires a shortened top tube unless you want the wheelbase to get huge.

    If you could compare reach to other bikes that would be the most fair... horizontal distance from BB center to the top of the headtube. Basically the lengh you feel when you are standing up and out of the saddle.

    For reference... 1 degree change in seat tube angle is about 0.5" in change in TT length. Roughly speaking. So add 0.5" to the TT length to compare to bikes with 73 degree seat tube angles.

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    @Transition Bikes:

    what are the advantages to the kona satori?
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    Um, it's a Transition.

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    Something tells me it's more fun on the way down than other 29ers to date.

    Love it in the bright green! If I ever get a second MTB, this'll be it.

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    What's the weight on a stock (pictured green) Large?

    I mean complete bike, not frame only.
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    anyone have an idea on price or when prices might come out?

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    I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this but just want to be sure.

    Do TBC have plans to do two build kits on the Bandit 29 like 26?

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    Bandit 29s will be in stock by January, but on this model we are only offering one build kit level. X7 2x10, Elixir 9 brakes with 180mm rotors, Kashima front and rear and a very reasonable price which will get posted soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Bandit 29s will be in stock by January, but on this model we are only offering one build kit level. X7 2x10, Elixir 9 brakes with 180mm rotors, Kashima front and rear and a very reasonable price which will get posted soon.
    This sounds awesome! Any estimate on weights?
    Neighborhood of?

    So looking forward to this bike!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Bandit 29s will be in stock by January, but on this model we are only offering one build kit level. X7 2x10, Elixir 9 brakes with 180mm rotors, Kashima front and rear and a very reasonable price which will get posted soon.
    Thanks TR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeis11 View Post
    i'd LOVE to know the shock size!

    thanks!
    7.5" x 2" according to the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro.nin View Post
    This sounds awesome! Any estimate on weights?
    Neighborhood of?

    So looking forward to this bike!!!
    How about exact? The bike as pictured with our stock build weighs 30.5 lbs (13.8kg). That is a real honest weight without any marketing BS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    How about exact? The bike as pictured with our stock build weighs 30.5 lbs (13.8kg). That is a real honest weight without any marketing BS.


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    Not bad at all, sweet reply too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    How about exact? The bike as pictured with our stock build weighs 30.5 lbs (13.8kg). That is a real honest weight without any marketing BS.


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    That is fakking awesome. Sign me up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Bandit 29s will be in stock by January, but on this model we are only offering one build kit level. X7 2x10, Elixir 9 brakes with 180mm rotors, Kashima front and rear and a very reasonable price which will get posted soon.
    Sounds thought out. Looking foward to that price annoucement.

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    I cant wait to hear what this bike will cost me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    Yeah, great video huh? Jason has been in love with that protopye and pretty much never rides his DH bike anymore.

    Getting ridden a little harder than we would advocate, but a testament to how much fun this bike is to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by in the trees View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Yeah, great video huh? Jason has been in love with that protopye and pretty much never rides his DH bike anymore.

    Getting ridden a little harder than we would advocate, but a testament to how much fun this bike is to ride!
    WTF! haha that is crazy Didnt think you could ride that hard with it.
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    Dude has skills. Now I know I couldn't ever hurt it.
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    Wow. And nice find on the vid.
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    Hello..
    it is possible to know the distance between center of BB and front fork axle?..Or even better..center of forward pedal axle to center of front fork axle?..For the MEDIUM size (smallest)..
    I would like to know this info so I can compare it to my actual 29" bike..to check toe overlap possible problems..
    Thanks a lot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingleman View Post
    Hello..
    it is possible to know the distance between center of BB and front fork axle?..Or even better..center of forward pedal axle to center of front fork axle?..For the MEDIUM size (smallest)..
    I would like to know this info so I can compare it to my actual 29" bike..to check toe overlap possible problems..
    Thanks a lot..

    The BB center to front axle is 680mm on a size Medium. You shouldn't have any problem with toe overlap on the Medium unless you have GIANT feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    The BB center to front axle is 680mm on a size Medium. You shouldn't have any problem with toe overlap on the Medium unless you have GIANT feet.
    ..thanks so much for this info!!!! ))
    No..I do not have big feet..but since I use flats , on nasty downhills I often find myself with feet everywhere on the pedals so I like to have some space between forward pedal and tire..
    Tonight I will check what is that distance on my actual 29 HT size small..which fits me fine without no evident toe overlap problem
    Its too early to get same info for the TransAm 29 size small? :-P

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    Already in "hunter-gatherer " mode for parts for this build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingleman View Post
    Its too early to get same info for the TransAm 29 size small? :-P
    +111 for a little TransAM 29er geo preview, colors too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lowball View Post
    Already in "hunter-gatherer " mode for parts for this build.

    Can't wait!
    Likewise, except I don't know what HT 29er frame I want (TransAM, Canfield Yelli or Banshee Paradox).

    But so far, picked up a 2011 Rockshox Reba RLT Ti 120mm for a screamin deal that will work on all three quite nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowball View Post
    Already in "hunter-gatherer " mode for parts for this build.

    Can't wait!
    Keep an eye out on Chainlove. The Marzocchi 44 29'er is on their a bunch lately and I've heard good things. Same goes for some DT Swiss wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme View Post
    Keep an eye out on Chainlove. The Marzocchi 44 29'er is on their a bunch lately and I've heard good things. Same goes for some DT Swiss wheels.

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    Good lookin' ebxtreme! I'll post up once things start rollin'
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    I'm loving this bandit 29 really seems like it would suit me. But a little disappointed with the tt lenth on the medium. I wish it was 23.5" rather than 22"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme View Post
    Keep an eye out on Chainlove. The Marzocchi 44 29'er is on their a bunch lately and I've heard good things. Same goes for some DT Swiss wheels.

    EB
    Off Chainlove in 29er format? How are they in terms of durability? I'm looking for wheels, at currently going with Hope/Flows, just can't seem to commit the $$$ for them, probably will be the last thing purchased lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Off Chainlove in 29er format? How are they in terms of durability? I'm looking for wheels, at currently going with Hope/Flows, just can't seem to commit the $$$ for them, probably will be the last thing purchased lol.
    Based on the type of riding I'll be doing, I'm going with a hand-built set of Industry9 classics or king hubs w/dtswiss 14g spokes and Flow rims. Call MHC Larry for the sweet deal! I-9 offers the 142x12mm rear option as I'm pretty sure CK does as well.
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    ^ I'll give him a buzz but looking at the site, he's the cheapest so far for Hope/Flows, $555.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    ^ I'll give him a buzz but looking at the site, he's the cheapest so far for Hope/Flows, $555.
    Yeah he's got good prices and does good work. Never used Hope's but looks like the Pro2 Evo's would do you right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cozmobozo View Post
    I'm loving this bandit 29 really seems like it would suit me. But a little disappointed with the tt lenth on the medium. I wish it was 23.5" rather than 22"
    Try to compare the reach and the wheelbase to other bikes you have or have ridden. The TT length needs to be moderately short to avoid a limo length wheelbase and slow handling. In addition the seat tube angle is pretty steep, which takes away from the "effective top tube" length, but doesn't change the way the bike feels when standing up climbing or descending.

    How tall are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    The BB center to front axle is 680mm on a size Medium. You shouldn't have any problem with toe overlap on the Medium unless you have GIANT feet.

    Hello, I have measured BB distance to front fork axle on my actual 29" and I got 630mm....and its TT actual lenght is 590mm....Is that possible that your smallest Bandit frame, which has a TT of 571.5mm can give a distance of 680mm between BB and front axle?..A tall fork and slack head tube can give such a big difference of 50mm? ..Indeed my 29" bike has a steep head tube and fork is a 100mm model..but it seems a big difference anyway..no?
    Thanks a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Off Chainlove in 29er format? How are they in terms of durability? I'm looking for wheels, at currently going with Hope/Flows, just can't seem to commit the $$$ for them, probably will be the last thing purchased lol.
    Yeah in 29'er format, but I just noticed that they don't have 142 x 12 (syntace) in the rear hub....so kind of a moot point.

    FYI, there's a big thread about the zocchi 44 in the twenty-giner forum. Mostly getting solid reviews and it's been on there for the past couple of weeks.

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    That's a great video. Sick riding. Looks like Transition, Banshee, Chromag will be huge gamechangers for 29ers.

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    Thanks for the reply transition. It's great to have a brand where you can actually talk to the owners.

    I'm 6ft exactly. I always prefer bikes around 18" than 19.5" but prefer a longer tt. My last bike was a 2009 trek remedy in 17.5" which iirc had a 23" tt but I found that a little short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingleman View Post
    Hello, I have measured BB distance to front fork axle on my actual 29" and I got 630mm....and its TT actual lenght is 590mm....Is that possible that your smallest Bandit frame, which has a TT of 571.5mm can give a distance of 680mm between BB and front axle?..A tall fork and slack head tube can give such a big difference of 50mm? ..Indeed my 29" bike has a steep head tube and fork is a 100mm model..but it seems a big difference anyway..no?
    Thanks a lot.
    Nope. Head angle makes a HUGE difference in TT length or wheelbase length. Also, your bikes seat tube angle might be slacker which makes the TT length different as well.

    Cheers!

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    Please tell us if you will have these at Outerbike this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowball View Post
    Yeah he's got good prices and does good work. Never used Hope's but looks like the Pro2 Evo's would do you right!
    You were right, he's quick to reply to emails and quoted me the best price on new Hope Pro2 Evo hubs on ZTR Flow rims with DT Swiss spokes and brass nipples, $565 + shipping. The lowest I could find was $650+. Wait time is about 2-3 weeks.

    As for me, I'm sticking with the Hopes, budget doesn't allow for blingy hubs like the I9 or Chris King. Have the Hope Pro2 / Mavic EX721 on the TransAM and they've been bombproof for me. I'm hoping the Flow rim will be the same, except now I'll be running tubeless as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    You were right, he's quick to reply to emails and quoted me the best price on new Hope Pro2 Evo hubs on ZTR Flow rims with DT Swiss spokes and brass nipples, $565 + shipping. The lowest I could find was $650+. Wait time is about 2-3 weeks.

    As for me, I'm sticking with the Hopes, budget doesn't allow for blingy hubs like the I9 or Chris King. Have the Hope Pro2 / Mavic EX721 on the TransAM and they've been bombproof for me. I'm hoping the Flow rim will be the same, except now I'll be running tubeless as well.
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    Transition Bikes, what is the bottom bracket height as pictured in the original posting? Thanks.

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    What are some lighter build weights for the Two9......

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    I am figuring mine will be sub 27 pounds and still able to take some abuse.

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    rear axle options 142/135

    Can someone from the Transition Co, expand on the rear axle options.

    How do you do the rear end 142x12 and the optional 135x10...

    Is it a completely different rear end between the two or is it done by "changable" rear drop out plates, if so are both supplied with the frame....

    I'm not that keen on having a sole 142x12 rear wheel in the shed......I've run 135x10's on DH bikes for years without issue so I don't excpect that a 5" 29r will be any different.

    So looking forward to it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Can someone from the Transition Co, expand on the rear axle options.

    How do you do the rear end 142x12 and the optional 135x10...

    Is it a completely different rear end between the two or is it done by "changable" rear drop out plates, if so are both supplied with the frame....

    I'm not that keen on having a sole 142x12 rear wheel in the shed......I've run 135x10's on DH bikes for years without issue so I don't excpect that a 5" 29r will be any different.

    So looking forward to it....
    They are interchangable dropout ends. The frame is priced with only the 142mm dropouts and bolt on axle. The 135mm x 10mm dropout ends are purchased seperatly and I believe they will be around $60-70 for the set. Also, all years of the Transition Revolution wheels can be converted to the 142mm setup. For what it is worth, the stiffness benefit is noticable, especially on a trail bike where the rear end tubing isn't as stout/stiff as a heavier DH bike (chainstay size and thickness, etc). Just something to think about.

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    Thanks TB, just looking at the logisitics.....all bikes in my shed have 135mm rear end...

    A few other Q's

    * I'm having a hard time finding a Shimano High Direct Mount Bottom Pull front derailluer....can you elaborate..

    * Is the headset an internal headset only.

    * Can you show us some of the cable routing associated with the brakes/derailuers

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Thanks TB, just looking at the logisitics.....all bikes in my shed have 135mm rear end...

    A few other Q's

    * I'm having a hard time finding a Shimano High Direct Mount Bottom Pull front derailluer....can you elaborate..

    * Is the headset an internal headset only.

    * Can you show us some of the cable routing associated with the brakes/derailuers

    Cheers

    PS would love to know this too>
    The SRAM derailleur that we are specing in build kits is a dual cable pull. I just checked on Shimano and the current 10 speed XT and XTR front derailleurs are all dual pull as well.

    Yes - the headset is a 44mm top, 56mm bottom which is zero stack only, for tapered steerers or you can run 1.125" steerers with a reducer crown race.

    I don't have much I can show you on the cable routing. I would look at the "Introducing The Bandit 29" article on our website, since that shows how we run our bikes. With adjustable post routing on the downtube rather then the more conventional top tube location.

    Bottom bracket height is around 332-337mm (roughly 13.1 to 13.2").

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    Price range yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimitrin View Post
    Price range yet?
    From DNZ Pre-Order Thread -

    Transition MSRPs...

    Bandit 29 Frame: $1599 Complete: $3549 (Float 34 140mm, X7 2x10, Elixir 9)

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    To TB....

    When can a delivery date be confirmed....my LBS (as of 3/10) says the distributor has told them in 4 weeks?

    Is that being realistic.....I'd prefer the truthfull answer rather than being strung along....not like some other bike co's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    To TB....

    When can a delivery date be confirmed....my LBS (as of 3/10) says the distributor has told them in 4 weeks?

    Is that being realistic.....I'd prefer the truthfull answer rather than being strung along....not like some other bike co's.
    Too early to give you 100% "this is the date" info... but we have been saying available in January 2012 from the beginning and that should still be the case.

    Definitely not in shops in 4 weeks, did you hear that in Australia?

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