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    BLT vs. PBJ

    Hey I was wonder if anyone had experience with one or both of these bikes. I haven't had much luck finding reviews or much information other than the little info on the Transition website. I can see the obvious differences in geometry but I was looking for a bit more perspective.
    I even wrote an email a month ago to Transition but didn't get anything back from them.
    They both look like great bikes but unfortunately I don't know anyone with one and we don't have a dealer near where I live and even if I did they probably wouldn't stock one.

    Ok so currently I ride a 2007 Eastern night train with a 80mm Rock Shox Argyle RC.
    I come from a BMX (race and dirt) back ground but I've been riding MTB the last 5 years and now getting back into the more BMX style riding the last 2 years but prefer the 26 inch wheels and it is time to upgrade bikes.

    We have two bike parks near me:
    https://www.facebook.com/EaganBikePark
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    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cotta...96908407004866
    so I ride a lot of dirt, pump tracks and dirt jumps but I also ride a fair amount of skate parks (especially in the winter) and I dabble with some street.

    Any thoughts on what bike would be better for me? or any personal experience with either bike? Thanks for any input!

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    Hey there,

    Lars from TBC here. I have a background of racing BMX and riding trails through the 90's and had some input on the geo for the PBJ. This frame was designed with that style of riding in mind. It's meant to be more stable at high speeds, and more comfortable on bigger lines. Slacker hta, and more bb drop than the BLT.

    The BLT was designed with the park style rider in mind. This frame is going to be a bit better on smaller and tighter terrain. Ie, skateparks and pumptracks. It will have a bit quicker steering due to the steeper hta, and manual easier due to the 0 bb drop.

    Both could suit you depending on how hard you're willing to push it. The PBJ will require more input to rip the tighter sections of the pumptracks because the slacker hta, but you can be rewarded when riding bigger stuff.

    The wheelbase of the BLT is a bit shorter as well, so it will require less effort to maneuver but can be a little sketchier when going big and fast.

    I hope this helps, let me know if you have more questions.

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    Thanks man that is the best info I have gotten so far.... I'm really looking for the more do it all DJ bike... I really like riding park, pump tracks and DJ's our dj's are between 4-6ft lips and between 10-15 foot peak to peak... nothing super massive... more like what you would see at lets say Valmont or most public bike parks....

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    I know what all that means, and I understand the differences. I'm just not 100% sure of what my riding will be and which way I might want to bias down the road. Our community park is in development, with a pump track and a couple minor jump lines in at the moment. I've ridden them on 4-5 different DJ bikes and on a friend's custom 24" BMX, which he built with super short stays, so it rides more like a BMX than a cruiser. I'm also unlikely to ever go big on any jump lines - cleaning them with a whip will probably be enough for me. Considering that I like the 24", I'm leaning BLT. And the BLT comes in orange.

    My buddy's shop just became a dealer, and the first PBJ came in today. He's planning on having a few rentals, so hopefully I'll get a chance to try both before committing one way or the other.
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    Dang went with the baller build.... upgrade to the fox fork! I'll probably go with the rock shock... on a budget..I dig that blue color too! It would be cool if transition did an in depth review video on both bikes like they do on other models or a magazine like Bike did one ... but nothing beats the good old test ride. Let us know how that goes!

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    Lars question on sizing? I'm 5'10" I was thinking a small BLT. My current Dj bike is 21.5 TT with a 50mm stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    Lars question on sizing? I'm 5'10" I was thinking a small BLT. My current Dj bike is 21.5 TT with a 50mm stem.
    So I was at Ray's in milwaukee this weekend and rode a Large BLT and it felt enormous! and the geo shows on the website that the small is only 1 inch smaller is that accurate? is there a benefit to having such a large bike? I wish I could find a small to test ride. Is the size difference noticeable? starting to wonder if the bike is going to be too large? if the 23 inch is accurate that is still quite a bit larger than my current rig and 1 inch longer than most dj bikes on the market these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    So I was at Ray's in milwaukee this weekend and rode a Large BLT and it felt enormous! and the geo shows on the website that the small is only 1 inch smaller is that accurate? is there a benefit to having such a large bike? I wish I could find a small to test ride. Is the size difference noticeable? starting to wonder if the bike is going to be too large? if the 23 inch is accurate that is still quite a bit larger than my current rig and 1 inch longer than most dj bikes on the market these days
    That 23" measurement is for effective top tube which is kind of useless for a DJ bike. You get that measurement with the seat extended way up. Your 21.5 tt was probably measured by the actual tt length. The other geo numbers on the BLT are right in line for a normal sized small/medium DJ frame. It has a 41" wheelbase as well which is nice and short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy R View Post
    That 23" measurement is for effective top tube which is kind of useless for a DJ bike. You get that measurement with the seat extended way up. Your 21.5 tt was probably measured by the actual tt length. The other geo numbers on the BLT are right in line for a normal sized small/medium DJ frame. It has a 41" wheelbase as well which is nice and short.
    thanks for the info... I was just nervous after I sat on the Large and kind of played around on it... It felt really big, too big for me, and I didn't know if the 1 inch difference was going to make a difference in the ride of the small... but you are right the wheel base seems pretty similar to most the bikes i've rode, and I am stoked on the rest of he GEO, just didn't want to end up with a bike that is too big for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    thanks for the info... I was just nervous after I sat on the Large and kind of played around on it... It felt really big, too big for me, and I didn't know if the 1 inch difference was going to make a difference in the ride of the small... but you are right the wheel base seems pretty similar to most the bikes i've rode, and I am stoked on the rest of he GEO, just didn't want to end up with a bike that is too big for me
    I hear ya. I am about to order the small PBJ frame this week, so I was studying up on the geo too. : )
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    My buddy's shop has a L BLT coming this week, so I'm looking forward to seeing for myself.
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    Side by side:
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    sick let us know how they roll!

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    It'll be a few days until I get a chance, because it's a slushy mess today. But here it is all dressed up to go to prom:

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    Gosh that is a sexy bike! Can't wait to here your report!

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    BLT vs. PBJ

    I can't either. Lousy Smarch weather.
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    you get out yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    you get out yet?
    Yes, but not on the bike:

    BLT vs. PBJ-mtasnow-3.jpg

    The bike park is under a couple feet of snow at the moment. Grr. Could be worse: my buddy's new Evil Uprising was a VitalMTB bike of the day this week, and he won't be riding it for a while, either.

    And we figured out that we're going to have to install gravel and a French drain inside our pump track. Most winters it wouldn't be an issue, but we've had a good one. I've swept the track clear with 4"-5", but a foot or more is too much. With the landfill cap, it doesn't drain very well. That'll delay my inaugural ride a bit. [sigh]
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    Yeah bummer... we are sitting in MN with about 40+ inches of snow still on the ground still in the teens.... I wont be riding outside anytime soon either..... I'm saving my pennies still, waiting on my tax return to hopefully pick a blt up this month or next!

    I have talked to a couple more people that have ridden or owned the BLT at FrostBike at QBP the other week and they all confirmed my interest.. They said it is is the best all around DJ bike they have ever owned or ridden and strongly recommend it! So now its just about the money for me, list has been shortened to 1!

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    I like what I've felt just around my carport. It seems to really hit a sweet spot that I was imagining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    I have talked to a couple more people that have ridden or owned the BLT at FrostBike at QBP the other week and they all confirmed my interest.. They said it is is the best all around DJ bike they have ever owned or ridden and strongly recommend it! So now its just about the money for me, list has been shortened to 1!
    We had our club's annual kick-off party at my friend's shop on Friday. My BLT has been hanging out there for the last week or so waiting on some custom fork decals. I had 3 people come up to me Friday to say they'd ridden it around the shop and they were really impressed with it. Later in the night it made an appearance for some drunken rear wheel kickout competition.
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    I got my PBJ frame Wednesday night, and had it built by Friday. Rode it all day this weekend at Gateway Park which is mainly a big pump track and slalom/jump trail. Loving this thing so far!

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    Nice how does it compare to other DJ's you've rode or owned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    Nice how does it compare to other DJ's you've rode or owned?
    Good question. My last two hardtails I owned was the 2010 santa cruz jackal and the 2012 Yeti DJ. Both were stiff aluminum hardtails and I liked both a lot. I ride mainly on my own pump track, a few jump trails and a few slalom courses. Size wise and geometry wise, the PBJ is very similar the medium Yeti DJ, with the pbj being a little smaller, and a little shorter in the rear. But ride feel wise, they are TOTALLY different.
    The pbj has a very forgiving feel to it. Even just bouncing on the pedals, the frame has a springy, poppy feel to it, like it wants to load up and jump off of anything. It felt so comfortable, I was wondering how it was going to feel when I got on a fast pumptrack and was really pushing hard through the berms, but it felt really solid in this situation as well. I need some more ride time on it for a review, but I can already tell, I am gonna like it a lot.
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    I am REALLY digging the BLT. I've just been monkeying around in parking lots and hitting the pump track and a small jump line, but man, it's fun. I'm excited for the park building that we have planned for this year!
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    Nice! I got a chance to ride one as well and it is a killer bike. Super easy to manual. Pretty light. It feels really nimble. It would be fun to get it on a pump track, trails and some park action to really put it through its paces!

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    The blue Deity CZ38 bars are a pretty good match for the decals. Fun, fun, fun.

    BLT vs. PBJ-tb_blt_lunchlaps.jpg

    I'm encouraging my buddy to buy a PBJ... there's a pinot noir frame hanging in my friend's shop.
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    jealous of the beautiful pump track! .... you like the lower bars over the stock ones?

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    The stock bars never went on this bike. I swapped them out right from the start. I didn't like the way they felt, and wanted more width. They have a higher rise than the Chromag bars I put on my trail bikes, which are 25mm. The bar height is pretty comparable to the other DJ bikes I've ridden. Feels good to me, at least.
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    Yeah when I rode it I liked the rise, I like the high rise, I don't personally care if they match my trail bike or not... I don't ride that much. I have Answer Pro Tapers with a 50mm rise on my DJ now. The thing I didn't like about the Kore Rivera bars are the back sweep but I think I could get use to it... I wish Answer made the pro taper in a 3inch rise

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    Im interested in the PBJ as well.

    How much do you weight? After an extra week of ride time, do you feel any negative cornering flex in the steel frame?
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    ~230. No, I don't notice any flex. But I'm not sure I would in a berm, as opposed to cornering on a trail.
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    I finally pulled the trigger a few weeks back on a BLT and I have to say I am 100% glad that I chose this bike. Honestly I feel it is the best DJ bike I've ever ridden. It is for sure the best DJ bike I have ever owned.

    I simply love the feel of this bike. It is one of the easiest bikes to manual I've ever rode, 20 inch included. The bike is very very snappy on the pump tracks. The short rear end, steeper HA and tight wheel base makes the bike very nimble and extremely playful. It is easy to throw tricks and spin and extremely fun in the air.

    Some of my friends that have rode it say it is a little unstable feeling at first but they all love it after a few runs.

    I give it two thumbs up and encourage anyone that is looking for a new bike to strongly consider it.

    I actually didn't change anything from the stock build but the grips and pedals. I thought about new bars because I didn't like the sweep of the bars at first but I did dig the rise and couldn't fine many other similar options so I kept them on. I quickly got use to them and now love them. they have a very BMX feel, the entire bike feels very much like a BMX bike, IMHO, as well as being told that by others that have rode it.

    I did however upgrade to the Fox 831 fork over the argyle. It is lighter and easier to adjust... I like my fork really stiff so I run pretty high PSI with it on climb mode.

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    How are you guys liking your PBJs or BLTs? Did Transition make any changes to their 2015 DJers?

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    It doesn't look like they made any changes to the BLT. I think the BLT is the best all around dj bike I have ever rode. It rides very similar to a BMX bike, which I wanted. It is great for Park and Trails. It might be a little under stable if you are riding really big really fast jumps but I haven't run into any of them. Everyone that has tested my bike has taken to it very quickly and love it. I would definitely recommend it to anyone that wants a playful responsive bike that is great for everything!

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    BLT vs. PBJ

    I've taken a PBJ for a few laps, and felt pretty comfortable on it. It's a bit more stable, not quite as snappy. It feels more like a standard DJ bike, but I liked the feel better than a few others I've ridden. It didn't make me regret the BLT, but I'd have been quite happy with the PBJ, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I've taken a PBJ for a few laps, and felt pretty comfortable on it. It's a bit more stable, not quite as snappy. It feels more like a standard DJ bike, but I liked the feel better than a few others I've ridden. It didn't make me regret the BLT, but I'd have been quite happy with the PBJ, too.
    I would love to take them both for a spin. I'm really looking for something to replace my retro SE OM Flyer that I occasionally take to the BMX track with my son. I'm looking for something that has shorter chain stays and a higher BB than my current ride plus is designed to work with a suspension fork.

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    Anyone know the biggest chainring that will fit on the BLT?

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    well it comes with a 25t and I'm guessing you can't fit much more, maybe a 28t... maybe but its geared great for what it is meant for

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    Rode a PBJ at the Wheel Mill this week - what a blast. I forgot to look at the size - can you tell what size this is from the photo?
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    anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dump View Post
    anyone?
    I can't tell by the pic, but you are right about it being a blast. My pbj is by far my favorite hardtail I have owned. I am a little over 5'9 and I am on a small. It fits me perfect and is about the same size as my old medium Yeti DJ. Hope that helps.
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    Cool, good to know... thanks. Yeti DJ was a rocket, but not at all comfy.

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