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    2018 Smuggler Tire Clearance

    I opted out of the 2017 smuggler due to tire clearance for big 29 tires. Any shots or knowledge if the 2018 will fit 2.6" tires?

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    That is the question, isn't it?

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    I asked about 27.5+ tires

    will the 2018 Smuggler take 27.5+ tires? and got this reponse


    It will not, sorry.


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    My understanding is, 2018 is same as 2016-17 clearance. Although ive seen one online retailer list frame to fit 2.5 tire.

    But then again I can fit a 2.5 on my 2017 model also. But almost no clearance.

    Having boost on new model might give a little more room. But highly doubt you will fit a 2.6.

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    2.3 maxxis minion fits with mud clearance, 2.5 is going to buzz the chainstays and have no clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbunnys View Post
    My understanding is, 2018 is same as 2016-17 clearance. Although ive seen one online retailer list frame to fit 2.5 tire.

    But then again I can fit a 2.5 on my 2017 model also. But almost no clearance.

    Having boost on new model might give a little more room. But highly doubt you will fit a 2.6.

    I asked on their Facebook page a few weeks ago and they said it is improved. Its a whole new rear triangle so I would be surprised i they didnt address it.

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    Hey guys & gals,

    2018 rear triangle tire clearance is improved from 15-17 models. All models will fit a 2.5 tire with reasonable clearance (more than the previous bikes with 2.3's). Beyond that the user will need to determine what is acceptable or not.

    It will likely depend on how badly you want to run larger than 2.5 tires .

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transition Bikes View Post
    Hey guys & gals,

    2018 rear triangle tire clearance is improved from 15-17 models. All models will fit a 2.5 tire with reasonable clearance (more than the previous bikes with 2.3's). Beyond that the user will need to determine what is acceptable or not.

    It will likely depend on how badly you want to run larger than 2.5 tires .

    Cheers!
    Thanks for clarifying... now I want to upgrade my 2017 bike :-)

    I presume on a wider 30-35mm internal rim is also going to clear fine. Interesting if the new 29x2.6 DHF tires will work when released in 29 version.

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    I really appreciate the Transition response, but find that the chainstay length is the deciding factor. Both of my bikes, one a 2010 and the other a 2017 could fit the 2.6 width, but not the tallness/height. I look forward to bringing my WT tire down and trying it out on a frame before buying!

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    I have the bike on order. The LBS said they called Transition and were told that the fork will fit a 2.6", and the rear triangle will fit a 2.4". Both without issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leakslikasieve View Post
    I have the bike on order. The LBS said they called Transition and were told that the fork will fit a 2.6", and the rear triangle will fit a 2.4". Both without issue.
    Interesting. See above, about 3 posts, where Transition said 2.5 for the rear. Not sure what your bike shop is asking or hearing. They told me the same thing (2.5") when I was at Transition the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    Interesting. See above, about 3 posts, where Transition said 2.5 for the rear. Not sure what your bike shop is asking or hearing. They told me the same thing (2.5") when I was at Transition the other day.
    Hey, I'm good with a bit more clearance. No issue for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    Interesting. See above, about 3 posts, where Transition said 2.5 for the rear. Not sure what your bike shop is asking or hearing. They told me the same thing (2.5") when I was at Transition the other day.
    Well, talking about 0.1Ē split between right and left... probably there is a lot more variance between brands than say the jump from a Maxxis 2.4 to a Maxxis 2.5.

    This bike looks really cool though, I may end up with one. My heart says sentinel but I think itís honestly overkill for 99% of my riding.

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    Here's a couple pics of a 2018 Smuggler - tire is a 2.3 Minion DHR II and I measured it at the widest knob...2018 Smuggler Tire Clearance-img_20171028_105909919.jpg2018 Smuggler Tire Clearance-img_20171028_105822563_hdr.jpg
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    That angle makes it look like the tires are firmly up against the stays!

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    Looks like 1/2 and inch to me

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    Yeah. Kinda disappointing, minions arenít known for measuring up to claimed size anyhow, thatís really not a very big tire. Granted I would t wanna go tooo much bigger, itís nice to know you could if you wanted to.

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    I am in a similar situation. I like my riot a lot, but it felt like overkill sometimes. Trying to decide if I should go up to a sentinel or down to a smuggler (in terms of travel). Or maybe a smuggler with a longer fork? Has anyone tried this?

    Quote Originally Posted by max_lombardy View Post
    My heart says sentinel but I think itís honestly overkill for 99% of my riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_lombardy View Post
    My heart says sentinel but I think itís honestly overkill for 99% of my riding.
    "If you want to know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders."
    No idea who said it, or wrote it. But it's served me well. My vote is to go with what your heart wants on this one. Might very well be overkill, but I'll bet it's a fun ride on even less gnarly trails.

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    Good point too... but it looks like the sentinel's are flying off the shelves right now. They're largely out of stock on Transition's webstore.

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    They're entirely out of stock. If you want a Sentinel it'll be Q1 2018 at the earliest.

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    The stock tires have plenty of clearance on my frame. I could put a 2.5 on there for sure.
    I was planning a 2.6spec butcher front, 2.3 WTB breakout rear (that breakout is quite big and tough). A 2.4 dhr2 wt would definitely fit as well.

    If I sell my Large w/ 3hrs on it (classifieds), I may get a Med and try this tire combo. That said, the stock tires are great! and With that 27mm rim, I tested them at 17lbs fr and 19 rear with no squirm or pinches.

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    Thanks for the update holiday. Sent you an email- please let me know if you don't get it (mtbr's messaging system hates me). Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    That angle makes it look like the tires are firmly up against the stays!
    8mm clearance at tightest point (chainstay).
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    Iíve often wondered why transition seems to be patently against plus tires. I rode a scout at CB and had a blast, just wished for a little more meat on the tires..


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    I too get the impression that they're not really running to embrace the plus movement, but you can run 2.8's on the 2018 scout according to their website. That's not a bad option in my book, though the stock rims are likely a bit narrow for that big of a tire.

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    Yeah didnít know that, not too bad then


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    my original 2015 Smuggler (with the tightest rear clearance) fits 2.5's in the front (Pike, pre boost) and the rear fits a 2.4 Minion DHR no problem. the biggest tire i've seen on the back of a 2015 was an e13 TRS tire, which although a 2.35 stated size, blows up huge, a bit larger than the 2.4 DHR. it has fairly shallow center knobs though and huge side knobs. it just fit and the guy said if his wheel ever went outta true, it would probably stop rolling. he rode it like a mad man though and loved those tires front and back. i'm pretty stoked on the e13 race (like maxx gripp compound) at the front and the 2.4 rear combo. with huck norris i can get away with low pressures in back, about 22 most the time without much risk. for really rocky trails or high risk riding, a bit more.

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    That jives with my experiences- I really liked the combination of a 2.5 DHF front and a 2.3 aggressor rear on my old 29'er. It wasn't a smuggler, but the same setup would work.

    I picked up a 2018 Scout and it clears 2.8 tires no problem. I only have one ride on it so far, but it was a blast despite the crappy conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goose8 View Post
    That jives with my experiences- I really liked the combination of a 2.5 DHF front and a 2.3 aggressor rear on my old 29'er. It wasn't a smuggler, but the same setup would work.

    I picked up a 2018 Scout and it clears 2.8 tires no problem. I only have one ride on it so far, but it was a blast despite the crappy conditions.
    I'm on the fence between a 2018 smuggler and scout. Interested why you chose the scout instead of another 29er?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goose8 View Post
    That jives with my experiences- I really liked the combination of a 2.5 DHF front and a 2.3 aggressor rear on my old 29'er. It wasn't a smuggler, but the same setup would work.

    I picked up a 2018 Scout and it clears 2.8 tires no problem. I only have one ride on it so far, but it was a blast despite the crappy conditions.
    Goose8,

    Could you give a ride report on your scout. I am seriously considering a 2018 scout. Oh and what level scout? Pic of I‎t would be nice too 😁

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    That is a tough one to explain, actually. I wanted the smuggler to begin with, but didn't want to be locked into running a narrow rear tire- I've run 2.5's in the past and liked that too. The kicker was that I replaced my fat bike with a 27.5++ bike (RSD Sergeant) that is was more capable than my old ice cream truck for trail riding. So I could afford the luxury of looking at the new bike as something that could handle whatever I wanted to throw at it, no matter the level. The smuggler didn't have quite enough travel for me to feel like I could take it virtually anywhere. For example, taking the smuggler to somewhere like Highland or Bromont would be a stretch, but the Scout wouldn't have a problem with it. I can also swap the wheels from the Scout and the RSD back and forth, which is a nice perk. I've already utilized that a couple of times. Running 2.8" tires and that's nearly 29" diameter territory, but I can go to something skinnier for the summer when I don't need gobs of traction. That's the theory anyway!

    Quote Originally Posted by noose View Post
    I'm on the fence between a 2018 smuggler and scout. Interested why you chose the scout instead of another 29er?

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    Sure- I wrote a few notes in this thread: 2018 Scout as a 27plus?

    I still only have two rides- we're deep in snow and my dropper post is out for service (don't worry- it's an old post, not a brand new one that came with the bike). So not much more to say than what I already wrote. I'll check back when I've spent more time on it.

    As for the build, I wanted something around the GX level but it was sold out. So I got the frame and fork and went from there using some parts that I had and getting other stuff new. I don't know how it feels with the lower level shock but the one it came with is dope- it feels absolutely bottomless. I went with the 36 front fork with the GRIP damper. Cinch crankset, 28t oval ring. XT drivetrain and brakes. DT Swiss 350 hubs laced to Spank Oozy 395+ rims. Maxxis DHF SHR 2.8" tires. Syntace megaforce2 stem, SQ Lab bar and seat, fatpaw grips. Pics in the other thread- fire away with questions.
    Cheers!

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    Could you give a ride report on your scout. I am seriously considering a 2018 scout. Oh and what level scout? Pic of I‎t would be nice too 😁

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