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    X-POST: East Coast Bike stoke VIDEO

    This year I had the awesome opportunity to be a part of a killer video production showcasing East Coast mountain biking. We all know there are killer trails just about everywhere; you just have to find them. But the professional film crews out there all seem to stay west of the Rockies or in lands far abroad. Nobody seems to know that the eastern half of the U.S. exists in the mountain biking world. Until now.

    This is the teaser for the video series From Where We Stand, which will premier later this month. It features riding in Oneonta, NY (my hometown); Vernon, NJ; Reading, PA; and White Clay Creek, DE. We had a 7-person professional film crew led by Tim Stevens of Highball Media from Philadelphia, PA. From Where We Stand was produced by Brice Shirbach and FatTireFests.com and had huge support from the community, which became an underlying theme throughout the production. One thing we do have on the East Coast is a great sense of community among bikers.

    FWWS is just as much an advocacy effort as it is a video and riding effort. We are out to show the world that if you're in North America you don't have to be on the western side of the Rockies to find great trails; by doing so we hope to get people to start planning bike trips (and even lives) around awesome East Coast biking spots. It is also an effort to gain recognition for mountain biking with the community at large. In Oneonta for instance we had support from 3 local restaurants, a locally-owned hotel and the local bike shop as well as monetary and volunteer support from locals both in and out of the bike community.



    The bits with Paul Dotsenko and I (Sam Brown-Shaklee) are a little taste of my hometown trails that I led design and digging efforts on. Not that you can see much of it yet, but you will. As the four segments come out I will be sure to post them to this thread. Also check out Fat Tire Fests | We Heart East Coast Mountain Biking! to learn more about the production and see some sweet East Coast stoke.

    I have already gotten huge positive feedback from people outside of the biking community, which was one of the goals. Hopefully projects like this catch on and can help promote our sport and local trail spots.

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    Good stuff ...East coast ROCKS!!

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    Awesome



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    Nice. I'm looking forward to seeing that.

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    I was a bit worried about the excessive slo-mo but I think its been toned down a bit.

    Really like Brice's "documentary" style film rather than the all-out adrenaline based film.
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    When is it coming out and where do I buy it at?

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    And when is Brice going to get this up on Pinkbike?
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    PHeller-- don't you worry. There is some FAST stuff that will be shown full speed. And Pinkbike is coming. The teaser is on PB but is private till Tyler Maine can do a writeup for it. Turns out they've been getting swamped by companies for the gear or the year stuff.

    Fahn: it premiers later this month. On the FTF website as well as YouTube, Pinkbike, and probably Vital. Pretty sure it will come out in 4 installments and I know it will be free. I will be posting the segments on here as they are released.

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    Part 1 is here!

    Part 1 of From Where We Stand is here! Watch as Jeff Lenosky, George Ryan, and Harlan Price attack Mountain Creek Bike Park on their trail bikes.




    Also check out the interview with Jeff Lenosky

    Next week's installment: Oneonta, New York.

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    Episode 2 is here! Watch as Paul Dotsenko and I show Brice Shirbach what Central New York has to offer. The footage was all shot in Homer Folks State Forest in Oneonta.



    The support we had for this project was absolutely awesome and is what sets Oneonta apart from so many other places with killer trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    I was a bit worried about the excessive slo-mo but I think its been toned down a bit.

    Really like Brice's "documentary" style film rather than the all-out adrenaline based film.
    Ever watch NFL films? no such thing as slo-mo overkill when it is interesting!

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    Episode 3: Reading, PA

    Part 3 is here with a trip down to Reading, PA to ride with Dane Clay, Neko and Logan Mulally. They've got some rad stuff down there; including a DH race course close to town and plenty of trails within riding distance of downtown. Check it out:


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    I really wanted to like this. Really I did, as everyone else making mtb films seems to think Denver is the eastern most point in the world, but that last one was almost unwatchable.

    Constructive criticism: I for one watch mtb videos as a surrogate for riding when I can't. I want to see riding. I don't really care what a 20 year old kid has to say about... whatever those kids were talking about; I assume they were talking about riding, but clearly they didn't say anything insightful or memorable; in other words the 4 minutes of them talking in an 8-minute video was just filler. For any bike video the talking to riding footage ratio should be 5-10% at most (honestly I can't recall ever seeing a video that included "interviews" that wouldn't have been better without them). If you only have 4 minutes of footage I'd want to watch, that's fine. Making me sit through pointless filler raises my expectations of the riding, and the riding shown falls flat.

    Come on, you have fantastic places that have practically never been filmed before. So film them! I can see people talking and saying nothing almost anywhere.

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    In defense of film-maker, I think Bryce was trying to do some story telling as well as making a biking video.

    This series was not so much about the gnar of east coast, but more about the communities and riders that have created these memorable trail systems.

    From Where We Stand is a great media campaign for local clubs as well. Groups like BAMBA for example (of which I'm a member) like having this type of media to show potential stake holders, "hey look at what we do and the type of riders and community we create with these trails systems that you allow us to build!"
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    Glad I was not only one, first minute intro crap, second minute scenery crap, I was like wth? Then some riding with guys hitting same spot, over and over, last minute(45sec or so) credits.
    Better than I can do, however way to much BS. Looking back I don't know how I made it thru opening credits and extended scene setup.

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    Another thing worth noting: the only location the film crew had ANY chance to see the spots prior to filming was in Oneonta. We were able to get the crew in the day before shooting since we had so much support from local businesses. The other 3 locations (Mountain Creek, Reading, and White Clay Creek) were seen by the crew for the first time when they showed up to shoot, which they did in one day. The crew and equipment weren't cheap. Limited budget = limited time = limited shots.

    Hike through the woods with big film gear, scout shots, set up shots, do multiple takes, relocate, do interviews......lots to do between 8 AM and 6 PM. And PHeller nailed it--Brice's vision from the get-go was a celebration of and introduction to the trails and the locals.

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    ok, still trying to not be overly negative, only helpful:
    some guys like mountain biking, they build some trails. There, does that sum up the "story" you're trying to tell? Pretty much, right? Filmmaker needs to get over himself on the "storytelling".

    it's not meant to be riding video, fine. I'd argue you aren't doing a great job as a promotional thing for the clubs involved either. If I showed the Reading video to the land managers I work with, they'd be upset I was wasting their time. (I'd be too embarrassed to show that as a PR thing to a land manager). It doesn't say anything about the community (which as far as we know from watching consists of 3 people, 2 of which are children), nothing about the challenges faced, nothing about the needs for recreational facilities that wasn't being met, nothing about economic impact, eco tourism...
    All the interviews said was "dude, trails are like really cool..." That doesn't help anyone, it makes riders and builders look like idiots.

    regarding time and budget... well White Clay is the only of those places I've been. You could ride there and see everything there is to see in 4-5 hours. (you could just cross "doing interviews" off the list of things to do with their time, and IMO have a superior product) In my professional work if I don't have the budget to do something right, I don't do it at all. Half-assed work with excuses is still half-assed work.

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    So the better option is to have nobody do this type of project on the east coast, and continually watch videos of west coast terrain?

    Maybe it hasn't been spelled out to a lot of folks, but think of this series as a way of gauging interest in this "east coast focus" type of project.

    The film-maker has made it known that he's planning on doing another, longer, more in-depth, more riding, less intro, feature in the coming years.

    You gotta start somewhere I think this was a pretty good start.
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    Joules and 1362: Seems like you're both just bashing the Reading segment. Curious to know what your thoughts are on the others. I'm not looking for an argument, just some serious feedback with some specificity to it. Oh, and save 132 seconds of your life and start each video at 1:06.

    This was a trial balloon. For a fella who's never done this sort of thing before, I think Brice did okay. There were certainly things I would have done differently, but he busted his A$$ from May till now to make it happen and for that alone I have to give him big props.

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    I agree with Joules bike porn needs more bumping and grinding and a little less conversation. Also it seems too many angles of the same trail section which reduces the sense of breadth of the trail system. I am certain with the limit of the live action per clip they could reduce repetitious sections. This is a well shot film with great riders and great locations too much good stuff was left on the cutting room floor. This is a high quality film which highlight great trail systems we just need to see more of the system and more money shots. Hopefully this is constructive criticism which could be addressed in a forthcoming edit.

    And sambs nice work in Oneonta I would like to check it out. I know about where you are as I passed by many times when stationed in Ft Drum.

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