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    Trail tools... Where do you get em?

    Where do you get good trail tools such as a Mcleod type rake/hoe?... Trying to get some work done aroune here!

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    I bought mine directly from Corona.
    Corona Tools: Quality Garden and Landscape Tools
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    I've been able to find what I need here:

    Forestry Suppliers, Inc. 800-647-5368

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    Rogue Hoe: The Best Hoes for Farm and Garden


    I hate stickys but this forum should have a sticky for trail supplies, tools and resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorB View Post
    Rogue Hoe: The Best Hoes for Farm and Garden


    I hate stickys but this forum should have a sticky for trail supplies, tools and resources.
    Every tool has a purpose, and needs very by region and topography but Rogue Hoe should be your first tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorB View Post
    Rogue Hoe: The Best Hoes for Farm and Garden


    I hate stickys but this forum should have a sticky for trail supplies, tools and resources.
    Good idea for a sticky. PM sent to Vis.
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    Same as above: order rogue hoes from the manufacturer and McLeods and fire rakes from Ben meadows. We also have a few $30 yellow handle pulaskis from home depot. They are holding up well.

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    ben meadows had rogue hoes on sale a month ago, I am guessing they will be back on sale soon. for me the nupla mcleod is the first necessity a bit heavier that rogue hoes but you need something out there for tamping and the curved, smaller head of the rogue, not going to do it.

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    I prefer Corona McLeod over Nupla's since the head is way, way stronger. They are also have a better balance (with the wood handle) for day-long use. I get mine either from Forestry Suppliers (on sales) or directly from the manufacturer.

    Nupla pulaski w/ fiberglass handle. You can have them via Fastenal, which have store virtually everywhere.

    Council fire rake are another great tool, depending on your soil conditions. From Forestry Suppliers too.

    Rogue hoe, directly from the manufacturer in the States, or I sell them in Canada.

    Suunto clinometer are the reference. Can be found dirty cheap on eBay sometimes, or via Ben Meadows | Forestry Suppliers |*Dendrotik

    GPS, we mostly use Garmin. The new 62 serie is more than enough for most trailwork. For more advanced stuff, Trimble is the reference.

    Topo map source vary a lot by region. Locally, I use TopoNav maps at 1:20,000 based on the natural ressources ministry data. I know a lot of places in the States have free 1:50 to 1:12 maps available on the net.

    GIS software:
    - ArcView is the industry reference. If you're serious, you need to learn it.
    - Quantum GIS is the free (open-source) equivalent of Arc, which is awesome but a bit more advanced than what most users will actually need
    - Touratech QV6 is a great intermediate package
    - Garmin MapSource is the entry-level package which can be pretty useful sometimes
    - Google Earth Pro is a great tool

    For bike park projects, many builders now use Google Sketch-It (Pro). Very easy to use and plenty powerful to give a good VIS of the project. Serious project still use Autocad since its the industry standard for technical drawing.

    Specialized trailbuilding mechanized equipement:
    - Sutter (or Sweco) trail dozer
    - Singletrack SK240
    - Rokon Trailbreaker is a 2WD off-road moto
    - Canycom, Morooko, Kubota and Yanmar offer various size of tracked wheelbarrow up to full-on tracked transporter
    - Ditch Witch (SK650, SK755), Bobcat (MT55) and Toro offer tracked tool carrier (think a walk-behind or stand-on Bobcat) that are great tool with a 6way blade or bucket attached to it
    - DR Mower offer great ATV-towable brush cutter out of VT
    - Helac have probably the best tilt-head for excavator on the market
    - Engcon have probably the best roto-tilt head for excavator on the market
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    Quote Originally Posted by twright205 View Post
    ben meadows had rogue hoes on sale a month ago, I am guessing they will be back on sale soon. for me the nupla mcleod is the first necessity a bit heavier that rogue hoes but you need something out there for tamping and the curved, smaller head of the rogue, not going to do it.
    The rogue hoe RH80 can tamp as well the nupla and out cut it 2 to 1, only down side is when raking duff the handle is shorter.

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    Good luck!

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    Amazon has a lot of tools from the brands discussed above. I personally got a rogue hoe, truper rake, and true temper pulaski axe off of there.

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    The BTCEB is going to buy a fair number of tools with a grant. It was nice to come here and find good info.
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    Logging and forestry supply. Some local hardware stores have hazel hoes.

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    Just bought the Rogue Hoe FB70H and it has been the best $56 spent in a long time!!!!!

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    Tools for Trails

    Here is a new site. These guys are just getting going on the webstore. Should be a great resource.

    TOOLS for TRAILS, A supplier for quality hand tools and supplies for trail building - McCleod, Pulaski, Hoes, Pick Mattock

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    I have bought my pick, shovel, and McLeod from Zac® Tools - "The Strongest Shovels on Earth". Their tools are tough - fiberglass handles with strong reinforcement to the actual tool/cutting edge. - Gus

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    Quote Originally Posted by suggg View Post
    I have bought my pick, shovel, and McLeod from Zac® Tools - "The Strongest Shovels on Earth". Their tools are tough - fiberglass handles with strong reinforcement to the actual tool/cutting edge. - Gus
    The Zac round point shovel with an ash handle and sharpened edges is my favorite trail building tool for digging, cutting scrub oak roots, levering rocks. If you haven't used one you are in for a treat, there is no shovel like it that I know of. Be aware that the extra HD models are SUPER beefy and VERY heavy. I personally prefer the ash handles (better balance, lighter) but the super HD tools can definitely take more abuse. The HD bow rake is great for raking out a tread through small embedded rock fields, it's much beefier than a McLeod.

    Best to buy in club quantities (over $250 our last order) from Zac Tools for reasonable shipping fees.
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    I have thoroughly abused my Lamberton Rakes, building single track in DG and boulder riddled areas. They have held up very well over the past 7 years. The large Lamberton also is a better cutter / digger into steep slopes than my McLeod.

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    I second Zac Tools. (BuyZacTools.com)

    The McLeod heads are well made and sturdy with no nut on the bottom, which allows for wet dirt to cling to & hampers packing. The fiber glass handles are solid yet light weight. The little black cap on the open end of the handle always comes off and eventually was lost. Without that cap, I have noticed the fiber glass cracking a little. It's a minor concern at this point, and I wear gloves when I work, so i'm not experiencing shards or slivers.

    I just bought six of these McLeods, three square point wooden handled shovels, and two wooden handle pulaskis and received them in about week. They even included a seventh McLeod as a promotional item!

    I haven't unwrapped them yet, as I'm having a shed built and will just take them in there to be stored.

    As far as other tools, I do like the Rogue hoes by Pro Hoe and the 7" or 8" folding razor saw by Corona. The saw blade is a bit flimsy but cuts very well with little effort.

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    Cricket material handler

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    These things have been invaluable for our latest project with 2 35' bridges. Sturdy, low center of gravity and narrow enough for most single track. Made moving 35' 6x18" glu-lams possible with relatively few people. Ours were provided by a volunteer who does HVAC work, if you ask around you might find one to borrow. Great for moving lumber and other heavy long things. We made a rack for it and put 25 or so wet roughcut 3x8 5' decking pieces on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorB View Post
    Rogue Hoe: The Best Hoes for Farm and Garden


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    Just received a F70HR straight from Rogue Hoe. Arrived a day sooner than the shipping estimated.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/8007861@N04/8938445311/" title="Rogue Hoe F70HR by mtbikernate, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2808/8938445311_c6f14dd1fd.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="Rogue Hoe F70HR"></a>

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    Remote trail work

    Quote Originally Posted by GatorB View Post
    This tool is talked about elsewhere in the forums, did not see it listed in this sticky...

    Trail Boss packable trail tool
    has several different heads. McLeod, Rogue hoe, saw, shovel, mattock
    Expensive, but a great solution for more remote trails.
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    Also the Dakine Builders Pack
    for hauling a chainsaw or full handle tools.
    Last edited by chukt; 06-24-2015 at 04:56 AM.

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    Just grab 5000 bikers and play follow the leader through the bush...

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    Which tools are most essential?

    What would you buy if you only had a $100?

    And for $200???

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    For $100 I'd buy an axe/mattock a round mouth shovel, a bow saw and a leveling rake. That's cutting it close at $100.

    For $200 I'd swap the rake for a Mcleod and spend the rest getting better versions of the cheaper tools I had to buy when I only had $100.
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    Garage sales are awesome. My last purchase was a big machete and a folding pick/shovel. All in excellent condition for just $5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Which tools are most essential?

    What would you buy if you only had a $100?

    And for $200???
    What is the terrain like?

    For example I'm in the rocky, rooty, wet, Northeast. Downed trees, leaves, constantly encroaching vegetation, these are the things we deal with a lot.

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    NUPLA® McLeod Fire Tool, 139614 | Ben Meadows

    NUPLA® Pulaski Axe, 139613 | Ben Meadows

    and borrow your neighbor's shovel and leaf rake....

    if you have no rock,,
    ROGUE HOE Tools | Ben Meadows

    but I've busted a few if you have toaster size rock in the area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    What is the terrain like?

    For example I'm in the rocky, rooty, wet, Northeast. Downed trees, leaves, constantly encroaching vegetation, these are the things we deal with a lot.
    Sand,sand, rock & sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Sand,sand, rock & sand.
    Solid rock? Or rock(s). For moving rocks, a pick-mattock is invaluable. I recently picked up something called an Dig EZ-Pick. I've been putting off getting one for years because they are quite heavy. I wish I'd got one sooner. It's a great tool for cutting roots, moving rocks and the scoop-like mattock will move an amazing amount of dirt. I go out with this and a tool I made out of a dandelion rake that works like a bulldozer. Most days that's all I need and I'm way more productive than I used to be.

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    Gotta love the Rogue Hoe 80RH if it's not too rocky, great weight and shape for moving a lot of dirt and sculpting a sweet backslope berm. A favorite combo with a small pick mattock or Pulaski depending on the ratio of trees and rocks.

    I bought a similar tool to the RH from JR Firetools, the head unbolts and with a collapsible handle. Not as sexy as the Trail Boss, but bigger, stronger and way cheaper. I'll see how it holds up, but so far it's a great solution for a tool I can ride in with, yet still is substantial enough to do real work.

    I got a Chingadera head with the fiberglass handle. About the same size as the 80RH but a little lighter head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unrooted View Post
    Sand,sand, rock & sand.
    Can't help you too much there. Probably an old fashioned pick and heavy rake.

    Here in the NE it is rock, roots, trees , weeds, soil, muck, and water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryman View Post
    Gotta love the Rogue Hoe 80RH if it's not too rocky, great weight and shape for moving a lot of dirt and sculpting a sweet backslope berm. A favorite combo with a small pick mattock or Pulaski depending on the ratio of trees and rocks.

    I bought a similar tool to the RH from JR Firetools, the head unbolts and with a collapsible handle. Not as sexy as the Trail Boss, but bigger, stronger and way cheaper. I'll see how it holds up, but so far it's a great solution for a tool I can ride in with, yet still is substantial enough to do real work.

    I got a Chingadera head with the fiberglass handle. About the same size as the 80RH but a little lighter head.

    HEADS | :: Welcome to J.R.FireTools ::
    Interesting. A little pricey at $90 for a head and handle but still cheaper than the Trail Boss if I only buy the heads I would want. Let us know how they hold up.
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    ......another tool source........

    After looking around at some different tool sites - having broken a few mattock heads with "India" stamped on them - I found a company called Warwood Forged Tools. Adzes, Hoes, Mattocks & Picks | Forged Industrial Hand Tools | Warwood Tool I found a dealer for their products, Railroad Tools and Solutions ..... Forged Track Tools Index They don't sell Rogue tools or McLeods, but they do sell the picking type tools. I've picked up the 8lb railroad pick and the 6" blade Forestry Adze tool and the tools are awesome. These are American made tools with hickory handles (looks like you can purchase the tool only without handle as well). I just ordered a 4" mattock blade with pick. I think this store primarily deals with mining and railroad related industries - but picks and hoes aren't too concerned about the end use!!!!

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    I'm partial to the Rogue HRH & Rogue 60A, axe handled, for New England. Key is don't swing for the fences, let gravity do the work!

    But a Pulaski might just be my total favorite, just it doesn't tamp that well but it benches, gets through about anything, can be used to pry, and clear. Winning tool.

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    I like my Zac 800N shovel, because I don't have to swing it, and can use my body's weight to power it. Much stronger than a conventional shovel for prying. I keep the cutting edge filed sharp.
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    Loose heads on wood handles?

    I've got a classic Rogue Hoe 70h and Lamberton Rake The Lamberton Rake on wood handles and they have both developed a slight amount of play at the head attachments over the last couple years. It's not terrible but would like to fix before it gets worse.

    I know NOT to soak them in water. Wondered about squeezing a strong foaming wood glue like Gorilla white or original in there?

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    You could try something like this...

    http://www.amazon.com/H-Behlen-Swel-Lock/dp/B0006ZP8HY
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    Thanks bsieb, that looks like it should do the trick! Got it in my cart :-)

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    Amazon.com: Swel-Lock: Home Improvement

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    These things have been invaluable for our latest project with 2 35' bridges. Sturdy, low center of gravity and narrow enough for most single track. Made moving 35' 6x18" glu-lams possible with relatively few people. Ours were provided by a volunteer who does HVAC work, if you ask around you might find one to borrow. Great for moving lumber and other heavy long things. We made a rack for it and put 25 or so wet roughcut 3x8 5' decking pieces on it.
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    I know it's been a while but do you have a finished pic of this project? :P
    Keep trying to do the awesomest thing you've ever done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chukt View Post
    Trail Boss packable trail tool
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    Expensive, but a great solution for more remote trails.
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    The link above is now broken; one that works: Trail Boss

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    Thx Craig, fixed the links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamwa View Post
    I know it's been a while but do you have a finished pic of this project? :P
    I do!

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    I modified a cast-iron eye hoe, cutting it to a triangle.

    https://amzn.com/B000VLHKHE
    SEYMOUR 2E-IG7 Italian Grape Hoe Head

    I bought mine at the local Farm and Home store but Walmart has the same hoe on their website. $20 for the head and another $20 for the handle.

    My terrain is low desert sand/gravel/rock. Nearly all of my work is deberming and outsloping existing trail. This is working well for me.

    The head has an eye so I can carry the head in my pack and the handle secured to the side of my pack. The cast iron head has a certain heft, but is still light enough to carry in my pack without drama.

    The point digs in easily most of the time, but the long, stout handle can handle a full swing when the ground is hardened and more force is needed. Once broken up, the side of the tool works well for pulling material off the trail and leveling.

    My experience is limited, and this is the only job-specific tool I have used. Previous to this, I used a Lowe's hoe and garden rake and an entrenching tool, perhaps I am not the best judge. That said, the more I use this the more I love this tool.

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