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    Trail Solutions Mountain Bike Trails 201

    $425 dollars registration! Does IMBA think we are all rich? What could I learn here that I have not already learned in 25 plus years of building and maintaining 22 miles of trail?


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    A demonstration of cutting-edge trailbuilding techniques and best-management practices for developing high quality mountain bike trails, from flow to gnar. Classroom session in the morning, followed by a tour of active trailbuilding sites that showcase a variety of trail types and construction techniques, including working with rock. Presenters - Richard Edwards, Stephen Mullins
    An advanced demonstration of cutting-edge trailbuilding techniques and best-management practices for developing high-quality mountain bike trails, from flow to gnar. This course includes a classroom session in the morning, followed by a tour of active trailbuilding sites that showcase a variety of trail types and construction techniques in the afternoon.

    Location: 905 Noble Street, Anniston, Alabama and the Coldwater Mountain Bike Trails

    Cost - $425

    Dates - Fri-Sat October 25th and 26th.

    Presenters - Richard Edwards, Stephen Mullins

    Pre-requisites - Sustainable Trails 101, or an a equivalent course taught by the IMBA TCC, Georgia Trails Education Specialist, other PTBA instructor, or permission from the instructor.

    Preparation - Participants should bring a sack lunch, water, and bikes. Be prepared to ride or hike during field sessions. Be dressed and prepared to spend time outside hiking and/or riding.
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    I think a lot of these "courses" are more for land managers, owners and officials to see what trail building is all about. Think of the recently hired civil engineer working for a county or local government that has had lots of positive feedback for the construction of mountain biking trails in the local parks, but the civil engineer doesn't know anything about the construction of such trails. He'll attend a course like this on the tax-payers dime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donwatts View Post
    $425 dollars registration! Does IMBA think we are all rich? What could I learn here that I have not already learned in 25 plus years of building and maintaining 22 miles of trail?


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    A demonstration of cutting-edge trailbuilding techniques and best-management practices for developing high quality mountain bike trails, from flow to gnar. Classroom session in the morning, followed by a tour of active trailbuilding sites that showcase a variety of trail types and construction techniques, including working with rock. Presenters - Richard Edwards, Stephen Mullins
    An advanced demonstration of cutting-edge trailbuilding techniques and best-management practices for developing high-quality mountain bike trails, from flow to gnar. This course includes a classroom session in the morning, followed by a tour of active trailbuilding sites that showcase a variety of trail types and construction techniques in the afternoon.

    Location: 905 Noble Street, Anniston, Alabama and the Coldwater Mountain Bike Trails

    Cost - $425

    Dates - Fri-Sat October 25th and 26th.

    Presenters - Richard Edwards, Stephen Mullins

    Pre-requisites - Sustainable Trails 101, or an a equivalent course taught by the IMBA TCC, Georgia Trails Education Specialist, other PTBA instructor, or permission from the instructor.

    Preparation - Participants should bring a sack lunch, water, and bikes. Be prepared to ride or hike during field sessions. Be dressed and prepared to spend time outside hiking and/or riding.
    If you're part of a club it would be an expense the club could pay for. Our club pays for expenses like that.

    I have considered going but I'm kinda of spoiled as we have someone highly skilled and experienced in our own back yard to learn from.

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    Would you ask this question if it was free? Maybe you are not the target market.

    "What could I learn here that I have not already learned in 25 plus years of building and maintaining 22 miles of trail?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by donwatts View Post
    What could I learn here that I have not already learned in 25 plus years of building and maintaining 22 miles of trail?
    the part about "cutting edge techniques" ?

    If you're building since 25 years, how can you be sure you're building to the best standard, the most efficiently, according to the updated regulations, following the latest update in term of environmental protection, building with various types of equipment (machine of handbuilt), what to use-when to use it-how to use it. That kind of stuff.

    I've been building for a long time professionally and still take a few courses each year to keep up with all the latest trends and techniques.
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    Maybe you are not the target audience?
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    Well, devil's advocate; go sign up for a 2 full day class on literally anything that costs less than that and get back to us.

    Unfortunately, this is one of those things IMBA is doing that bothers me a little: it seems like they are trying to be gatekeepers of who is allowed to... build trail, teach skills... etc. Having classes and certifications, none of which are cheap, as you point out.

    there was an imba 'level 1' ride leader class (yes, really) around here recently; a 2-day class to teach... what sounded like things anyone of modest intelligence already would know: $625. But you get a piece of paper that says you know it, and it's a prerequisite for the classes where you might learn something.

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    I'd think this should be the realm of National Trail Builders Association, but knowing Non-Profits like I do, you've gotta make money, and a bunch of rich folks (or government workers) don't have any problems hanging out with fellow riders and learning how to build trail, even on the most entry level basis.
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    IIRC, IMBA lobbies, and you can't lobby very well without money. I'm not sure how many lobbyist IMBA employs or has as volunteer lobbyist, but I do know one thing for certain, lobbying is expensive. There are splinter group and lone riders of this large base, mtb needs money to garner the eye of the gov to help get the trails legally built, so IMBA seeks to garner the interest of all mtb riders. Otherwise, we would be in a system were illegal trails are all there is and maintenance would be illegal and the trails would be deconstructed by the municipality, on schedule.

    Paying IMBA to Lobby sounds more productive than fighting the local law 'enforcement' and getting my fun time area ripped apart every so often and having to spend weeks rebuilding.
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    sorry I am just now getting back to replying to some of this. I AM a land manager. I would not attend even if it were free. Maybe I am not the target.
    A little history: In 1997 I was given the task of developing the trail system on 1600 acres of Federal land in coastal SC. I approached IMBA and SORBA and to make a long story short, was basically told that it would be a waste of time as we did not have desirable terrain that would attract many riders and not worth the time. Well here we are today with 22 miles of trail that attracts between 300 to 500+ users a month. So I guess I am sorta jaded on what IMBA/SORBA has become. The trails are maintained by local volunteers, of which few are IMBA/SORBA supporters, and when help is needed financially we have no problem getting it from the community. You would think they would be more interested in getting us onboard with them, but we here nothing from them except when they want money from us.

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    If you wouldn't go if it was free, and have no interest in IMBA, why start this thread?

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    Why not. It is a fair question.
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    Do you mean you are getting 10-15 users a day? If so, that actually does seem like it might not be the best use of IMBA's time/$. I mean, trails are always good, but if you're going to throw money and time at something, you have to prioritize and a public trail system that only attracts a dozen riders a day is pretty marginal.

    Maybe I'm just not reading your post correctly but it sounds like you just had a (long ago) disagreement with IMBA about this particular piece of land, and for some reason you've decided to grind your axe by bringing up the cost of an IMBA course 15 years later?

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    I guess that is one way to look at it. Another take, and this is at a crux of many posts about IMBA, is that there are people, groups, and communities who look at things differently. They believe that their perspective and skill sets are just fine, thank you very much. Sometimes this is a lesson learned after encountering IMBA.

    Further there are folks who have very limited exposure to making trails or such training. When the IMBA model comes along with its continuity and the resulting trails IMBAc an look pretty good. That said ,folks with other options and/or a preference for different results can rightfully feel different about the IMBA value. Fair enough?

    The initial post, however, seems to neglect the idea that not everyone has the skills to pass up an opportunity to learn some form of trails philosophy, IMBA or otherwise.
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    I would rather take a PTBA course personally. Our club ponied up and sent a crew leader to check out this class and report back. He hasn't given the power point presentation to the other crew leaders yet but said that it was a lot of what we currently do and a bit of bike park theory/techniques. We have a host of extremely talented builders in our area that give a tremendous amount of their time to our club in the form of leading volunteer days and even teaching some classes. We are super lucky on that front.
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