• 04-07-2012
    PACS
    Building stunts with forest lumber only
    So I've been working on some stunts and jumps on a friend's land, which requires a pretty long ride in to get to the start of the DH section. I'm trying to avoid hauling a bunch of lumber into the forest. Hoping to build some ladders and skinnies using only forest material. Does anyone have any tips on pulling this off? Pics and/or ideas would be great.
  • 04-08-2012
    Skookum
    If you're a real friend, suggest they read up on your states liability laws. Learn the forest, what kind of trees are you working with, google it up. You can move large logs with a grip-hoist and sometimes a heavy duty come-along. But you're also better having lots of help in numbers, and using gravity. You're gonna need to know how to use a chainsaw, and you're looking at harvesting blowdown timber.

    i live in an area that has pretty much the same eco-system as North Shore in Vancouver, we're using Douglas Fir, and Western Red Cedar. But if you look at the North Shore they also have extensive rock work shoring up the fall lines sections. Incredible rock work.

    You may or may not live in an area where the forest provides, you have to learn what you have.

    So now i've discussed the part of just getting materials to your work area.

    Building you'll need to learn what tools work best for what you want to do. Using wood you can use screws if you have a generator you can bring in, otherwise use spiral shank nails on finished product. There are a whole host of carpentry tools and carpentry tricks that can make your life easier. You should start by seeing if one of your local hardware stores sells a how-to on deck building for houses. Then transfer over what you learn from that over to building on trail.
  • 04-08-2012
    PACS
    Great advice. There is good material for building on this land, once you know what you're looking for. Will definitely read up on deck building. Basically have been studying other peoples' stunts and figuring it out with trial and error. I've made a few small ladders between rocks, using fallen trees and cut branches - really labor intensive but turned out awesome. Would be much easier to just nail or screw a bunch of planks onto 2 x 4s but that's not really a good option for this particular area. Either is heavy equipment.

    Thanks for the help.
  • 04-10-2012
    Seanbike
    Check out the trailbuilding forums at NSMB.com
  • 04-10-2012
    PACS
    Thanks, checked it out last night. Was exactly what I was looking for.
  • 04-18-2012
    Westside Trail
    A chainsaw and granberg alaskan mill will change your life
  • 04-18-2012
    Westside Trail
    Use pressure--treated in the ground if possible
  • 04-18-2012
    Westside Trail
    If not possible, make use to use fresh wood for posts
  • 04-18-2012
    Westside Trail
    -Strip off all the bark and make sure you sink them at least 18" into the ground
    -Use cross-bracing liberally
  • 04-20-2012
    pascale27
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    here's a tabletop we built using only logs and dirt, these pics were taken before the lip was added. the last pic is an all natural log over ladder
  • 05-03-2012
    PACS
    Thanks to all who responded: very good advice.

    Has anyone ever built with madrone, pine or redwood?
  • 05-06-2012
    faceplant72
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PACS View Post
    Thanks to all who responded: very good advice.

    Has anyone ever built with madrone, pine or redwood?

    I would skip the madrone (rots fast and doesn't split when dry {it is the best fire wood though}), some pine work well (sugar pine was the shake of choice were I grow up), I have no experience with redwood but is is considered on of the best wood for decks, hot tubs and fence posts so it should work great.

    If possible get yourself a froe (google it) to make planking
  • 05-07-2012
    Sofakinold
    I have been building trails and stuntage with forest wood and rock for 20 years. Just on the other side of the continent. Tenn, NC, WVA and VA. Where locust and Eastern red cedar are king. It's all in knowing your local materials.

    Ripping planks with a chainsaw works. There are a few pics in my photos of stunts built entirely of materials out of the woods.
  • 05-08-2012
    Chris Clutton
    Keeping it looking natural
    Redwood is great to work with, it splits straight and lasts a long time!
    The Forest I do some trail building on dose not allow man made fetchers. They think liability is an issue with man made stunts and even bridges. I try to use natural materials without fasteners and make it look like it just happened to be there.
    Here is a photo of a small jump made with split redwood. I put a notch in the log to help keep it in place without screws or nails.
    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...2/IMGP3295.JPG
  • 05-09-2012
    PACS
    Nice. I've started doing the same thing. I've made some good "diving board" type drops off of wide redwood planks and just started a notched plank to log ride on a fallen 2nd growth redwood. There's definitely something cool about keeping the terrain "natural" looking.

    Do you have any other photos?
  • 05-09-2012
    Chris Clutton
    Here's a bridge. I'll try to find some more photos of other stunts I have set up.
    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--...2/IMGP0131.jpg
  • 05-10-2012
    Chris Clutton
    Here are some more photos of stunts using redwood,
    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6...2/IMGP3387.JPG

    And a redwood stump cut into a ramp,
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2...2/DSCN5235.jpg
  • 05-11-2012
    Sofakinold
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    forest wood builds
    Here's a couple of my builds;

    The first is an all Eastern Red Cedar Wall/Berm. All planking is hand chainsaw ripped from seasoned logs, Cedar posts set 2' into the ground, Ripped cedar crossmembers. The structure is 8' high and accessed from both directions. Was built in 2004 and going strong.

    The Second is a creek bridge; Red cedar spars, ripped from a single log, and seasoned white oak heart wood treads. Both logs were hurricaine blow downs and were within 100' of where the bridge went in. Built in 2000 and ridden daily.
  • 05-12-2012
    PACS
    Wow, solid work.
  • 05-13-2012
    Sofakinold
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    Here's another;

    3" drop over a root ball. All red cedar, collected around the build site, and chainsaw ripped. Note the cedar root ball used to level and support the ramp. Using the root spindles as stakes to anchor and stablize the soil works. I have used that trick in a lot of dirt mounds to stableize the sides and to make lips on jumps that need minimal maitainance over years.
  • 05-21-2012
    cmc4130
    i took these pics at Keystone. it's a tabletop made of dirt & logs. i don't know whether the logs were originally exposed or whether it eroded to look like this, but regardless, it can be fun to have logs packed into dirt like this to give a table top an mtb/freeride feel/look rather than a bmx look (if that's what you want). i can appreciate both styles...

    http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6130/...a9986936_b.jpg
    http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6003/...b3d6022f_b.jpg
  • 05-23-2012
    Dan K. Farmer
    Wow fun stuff! Trying to get some ideas for a small loop that I'm going to build on my farm.
  • 06-06-2012
    PepperJester
    I put this together last spring from after we had some bad storm damage in the winter. Lots of fresh blow downs resulted in lots of free wood!

    http://ap1.pinkbike.org/p4pb6491449/p4pb6491449.jpg
    http://ap1.pinkbike.org/p4pb6491471/p4pb6491471.jpg

    A bigger project done around the same year
    http://ap1.pinkbike.org/p4pb6410131/p4pb6410131.jpg

    and a fun little log cabin style step down my girlfriend and I built about a month ago
    http://ap1.pinkbike.org/p4pb8108940/p4pb8108940.jpg

    Working with site materials can be really fun and rewarding. Make sure you peal the bark and look in to log home construction for some tips on the building.
  • 06-29-2012
    pascale27
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    Attachment 707144

    Built with a log split in two for the supports and smaller logs cut to make the rungs. There's 3 of these on the same trail at my local spot.
  • 07-07-2012
    jncarpenter