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    Yet another brake thread :)

    I would like some advice regarding brakes for my '09 (L) MotoLite. I purchased this as a complete bike from Jenson at the end of '09 and really like the bike. What I've never warmed to are the brakes - it came with Avid Juicy 3s (160F/160R).

    Shortly after buying the bike, I picked up an Avid brake bleeding kit and properly bled both brakes a few times. The front brake works well, but the rear simply fails to satisfy. It has very little power and has never been even remotely capable of locking.

    I'm 6'5", 220 lbs, and have only ridden the bike in the dry. At this point, I'm fine installing an entirely new brakeset.

    I have my eyes on a set of Hope M4 brakes 180F/160R. What are your thoughts on this setup and will the difference be night & day to what I have now?


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    I use the magura marta sl 160mm front and rear on my motolite. They will give you all the power you need. The 180mm if your trails have really long down hills or it will be a bunch of weight to haul around. I have had my maguras for 4 years and no problems. Just add fluid as the pads wear. Its easy to do.

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    I run Hope Tech V2 on my FTM. I cannot say enough good things about these brakes. They are powerful, fade free, easy to modulate and nearly maintenance free. I know a bunch more (more experienced) riders who also swear by them. You cannot go wrong with Hope.

    And they look freakin' cool.

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    are you sure the pads aren't contaminated with oil or brake fluid or something?
    whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite View Post
    are you sure the pads aren't contaminated with oil or brake fluid or something?
    Yep, I'm sure.


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    I'm 6'1 / 220lbs and have been very happy with Magura Louise on my RX29

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    I was happy for the first 20 months with my Magura's. A while back they lost pressure, took them to the LBS. He could not get them to bleed. Magura send some parts. Still no go, Magura said send them to them. They worked on them, basically rebuilt them free of charge. First ride was good except as soon as you pulled the levers it was instant contact. 2nd Ride I started hearing alot of squealing. Started to take it yesterday. Even rolling on the ground and barely touching the brakes created a god awful squeal..... Took my RIG instead.
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    Shimano SLX or XT. Pros: good price, dependable, cheap pads, easy to bleed, mineral oil. Cons: none so far. Some people reported poor cold temperature performance on the first run of XT M-775. Not my experience.

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    I'm running Hope Tech X2 on a RacerX. I'm a bit lighter than you also, but man these are AWESOME brakes. Great range of adjustment on the levers, PERFECT modulation. INCREDIBLE stopping power. I would think that the burlier Tech V2 will be better for your application, and I don't think they weigh any more. The V2's are going on my next bike, more of an all-mountain build.

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    +1 on the Marta SL's

    Quote Originally Posted by DSA1 View Post
    I use the magura marta sl 160mm front and rear on my motolite. They will give you all the power you need. The 180mm if your trails have really long down hills or it will be a bunch of weight to haul around. I have had my maguras for 4 years and no problems. Just add fluid as the pads wear. Its easy to do.
    Have them on my ML for 4+ yrs and never a problem. Running 180 F and 160 R all the stopping power and modulation you'll ever need. AVID is junk....thats why it is spec'd on just about every bike because its cheap S&*t.

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    Avid IS junk - tolorance are so loose (I've had Elizer CRs). Go w/ basic XTs - you simply can't go wrong. Nothing to look at, but great quiet performance and precisionl made.
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    Had every type of avid and other then mechanicals had problems with them all. Seen to many marta sl's come through the shop with issues. Bought my wife a set of hope tech x2's (09 pink model) and have had zero issues for 1K+ miles.

    Bought myself a set of 2010 tech x2's last september and havn't had any issues. Bled them last week and had some nasty looking fluid come out. Still no issues and they look better than anything out there!
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    4 years now on my 2007 Magura Louise. No issues at all. Excellent brake. Before then I was riding Magura Julies 2002. Those had a failure in the master cylinder which Magura replaced under warranty (their warranty is 5yrs) back in 2007. A buddy of mine is still riding those Julies... that's a brake going into 10yrs and still working.
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    Get the new XTR Trail brakes, or simply wait for XT or SLX versions of it.
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    Thanks for all of the feedback. After giving this way too much deliberation, I ordered a set of Hope M4 brakes, 180mm / 160mm, with Hope rotors and braided lines.

    And since the small bits on my gray ano Moto Lite are green, I couldn't resist this version:



    Now I'm on pins & needles waiting for them to arrive.


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    That's sooo tits right there.
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    Good choice

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    It's a bit tricky to shorten braided hose but this page helped me:
    steveukmtb.wordpress.com/hope-braided-hydraulic-brake-hose-assembly

    Because I have less than ten posts I cannot ad links so just copy and paste

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    Very nice choice and I can say they are great brakes. Had mine for over 2 years with zero probs and have been nothing but fantastic, both to look at and in the fast stuff. You'll need to drool a bit first before putting them on the bike - I did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ansman View Post
    It's a bit tricky to shorten braided hose but this page helped me:
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    Excellent article. Here is the link: Brake lines

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    Very nice choice and I can say they are great brakes. Had mine for over 2 years with zero probs and have been nothing but fantastic, both to look at and in the fast stuff. You'll need to drool a bit first before putting them on the bike - I did!
    Drooling will commence once they arrive from the UK. Waiting....



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    The brakes arrived the other day from the UK. Now I'm torn between installing them and simply hanging them on my shop wall.

    I never knew brake calipers and master cylinders could be so sexy...


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    That hope stuff is so awesome. I can't even look at other bikes without adding in the cost of another set of x2/techs
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    Anybody know where the best place to get these boogers. I'm shopping for X2's. CRC has best price so far that I could find.
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    merlincycles.co.uk/Bike+Shop/MTB++Parts/Brakes/Disc+Brakes/Hope+Disc+Brakes/Hope+Tech+X2+Disc+Brakes_HOPE-X2-MASTER.htm

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    Thanks ansman
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    If your local shop uses quality bike products or BTI as a distributers they could get them.

    http://www.bti-usa.com/public/manufacturer/HT/BR
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    Checked with LBS as you suggested Terrible. The first shop said around $350.00 for each end. I almost fainted! Next was $260 rear and $275 front. Thats what I wanted to hear. I never thought a lbs would quote so low. I'm working on a combo brakes and wheels deal with them now. Do you know which Shimano shifters work well with the hopes? I have Shimano Deores now and doesn't look like they will fit together.
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    As far as I know hope only makes adapters for sram stuff. I use my sram match makers with my x9 shifters. Not sure about shimano stuff.
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    Thanks T.
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    Happy to help when I can. If you get them please post pics on the bike. I'm looking into a set for another build and I like to see caliper/lever colors on other bike colors for ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00sable View Post
    Checked with LBS as you suggested Terrible. The first shop said around $350.00 for each end. I almost fainted! Next was $260 rear and $275 front. Thats what I wanted to hear. I never thought a lbs would quote so low. I'm working on a combo brakes and wheels deal with them now. Do you know which Shimano shifters work well with the hopes? I have Shimano Deores now and doesn't look like they will fit together.
    Would they work even? Shimano uses mineral oil, I don't know about Hope, but I think it's DOT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Happy to help when I can. If you get them please post pics on the bike. I'm looking into a set for another build and I like to see caliper/lever colors on other bike colors for ideas.
    Will do Terrible!
    RZ I was refering to the shifter compatibility. The Shimano shifters dail indicator gets in the way of the hope brake reservoir. Only bad thing I've heard about them. May have to go sram!
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    Ordered Hopes Sunday afternoon. LBS said this Fri or Sat arrival. Will post pics after mounting. Sorry to say it but their going on my Special Ed instead of the RX. Will put the RX in the back ground though.The Speci needs them more right now. My juicy 3's on the XC have given up the ghost.
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    What shop Alan?
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    Cahaba cycles (Pelham) gave me the best price out of 3 locals.
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    Well, I finally removed the Juicy 3s and installed the Hope M4 brakes. Everything went together smoothly - 180f with Hope post mount adaptor, and 160r with Hope IS / post mount adaptor. I had no issues whatsoever getting the calipers centered over the discs. Hope wants you to visually center the calipers, rather than squeezing the lever and then tightening down the mounting bolts.

    Verdict? HOLY HELL! These brakes stop with authority. It's like throwing out an anchor, or catching the arresting cable on an aircraft carrier. They are that good. Very firm feel at the lever, and no-BS stopping power.

    No regrets.

    I'll post some pics later. Needless to say, the Juicy 3s are headed to Ebay...


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    Glad to hear!

    Mine still haven't arrived. Maybe tomorrow? Post pics when you can Andreas. I want to feel the power soon. The 3's weren't all bad just not the big power. But I have only 5's to compare and they are about the same stoppers just less adjusting on them.
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    As promised.....



















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    Thanks for the pics. I got the X2. I hope I got the right brakes?
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    Oh wow, that's hot! The black and green look great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Oh wow, that's hot! The black and green look great.
    Agree.

    Just wish I made the move earlier.


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    It's tough to justify that much for brakes. But once you use them it seems more worth it. Then, after a year, and all you've had to do is change fluid and pads you relise how good of an investment they are. I can't say enough about them.

    Enjoy!
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    Yeah +1 to that in all its glory.

    I've had mine for quote some time now, before they modified them to Hope Tech as such, but I have never once thought "wow, these really are expensive brakes, erm...maybe I should have bought _____ instead!"

    Sick pics and some Pos Rep coming your way for stoking my riding vibe for this coming J-Summer holiday. Oh yeah am I going to ride the knobs off my bike this week. A whole week of riding, a few drinks, camping and nothing but onsens and jumps.

    Enjoy the brakes. Oh, BTW, have you had the chance to really bed them in and what are your thoughts about the Hope Tech versions?

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    Not sure what is up with my magura's. Sent back to magura. Warranty. They rebuilt and bled. Modulation is non existent. My BB7's on my RIG have more stopping power and easier to pull than these. I would be almost scared to bomb down either the red trail or blood rock ( Alan knows what trail!) with the way they are working now.
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    Sunday and still no brakes. Slow shipping I guess. Wouldn't have mattered anyway. Couldn't ride. I won't bomb down Quarry Road or Blood Rock anymore even with good brakes Two people have broken wrists and one broke a thumb in the last 3 months. Good riders too not the out of control type. When I said hope I got the right brakes I meant wonder if I should have went with the M4. Not much more $ and weight not a big issue with me
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    I wont ride the rock section of blood roak. But love the sections below would not bomb them either with how they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AOW162435 View Post
    Thanks for all of the feedback. After giving this way too much deliberation, I ordered a set of Hope M4 brakes, 180mm / 160mm, with Hope rotors and braided lines.

    And since the small bits on my gray ano Moto Lite are green, I couldn't resist this version:


    Now I'm on pins & needles waiting for them to arrive.


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    Where did you find the colors?

    I am torn between the M4 and V2, but hope will be the brake that I buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordolet View Post
    Where did you find the colors?

    I am torn between the M4 and V2, but hope will be the brake that I buy.
    I purchased these directly from Ebay seller, mtb-direct. Superb communication and prompt shipping. I opted for a direct deal outside of Ebay since I wanted Hope rotors and braided lines. So it was a custom order direct from Hope, through mtb-direct.

    Here is a similar auction: Hope Tech M4, green


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    I think you can get anything you want from a local shop. Certain model of brakes come with the braided hose. My wifes '09 tech/x2's came with braided hoses and pink flower cut rotors. My '10 tech/x2's came with the rotors but only black plastic lines.

    A tip on cutting the lines if you get braided: Tape the area you want to cut with 3m super 33 black electrical tape. Cut in the middle of the tape then remove the tape to cut the plastic cover off the hose. If you don't tape the hose up before you cut it will fray and be a huge pita to get the brass olive on.
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    My X2's came in Monday. Will post some pics as soon as work allows installation. They look quality! Mine are just the basic silver and black but look fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00sable View Post
    My X2's came in Monday. Will post some pics as soon as work allows installation. They look quality! Mine are just the basic silver and black but look fantastic.
    Pics or ban!




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    New Hopes

    First I would like to ask forgiveness for posting pics of a Special-Ed in the Titus forum....
    I will add a pic of my RX and hope it will help. The positioning of the brake handles were a little farther out than I was used to and the shifters are a little farther in than I'm used to but I think it will all be fine. More ride time and I will see if its ok. Installation was a breeze. I may have to have the brake tabs faced. The caliber is a tad out of true with the rotor but its working fine with no rub. Still bedding in the pads and rotors but they look great ehh?
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    Pics of RX

    Almost forgot. Even with the low end components (27.5lbs) on this frame, its fast. I have to send my Speci shock to PUSH but after that the money is going into the RX. The Speci is a boat load of fun but that fricken RX is one fast single track machine. Its just a great designed frame. It seems all the pedal energy is put right into forward motion. FAST, FAST, FAST!!
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    Nice rotors!


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    Wow that raw aluminum finish would go great with my new raw 'niner jet9.
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    I may go with M4 front on the Speci and order another rear X2 for the RX soon. FYI the rear brake hose was a little short for my XC. It had NO length to spare. If it were any shorter I would had ordered some more hose. I never would have cut it that short. The XC and SJ are long wheel based I guess.
    Thanks Andreas, those rotors are purty but those green 4 pots are the tits bro! Enjoy! Gonna get loose Sunday morning and bed those brakes in. Have a good weekend guys. Thanks for all the advice.
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    Took my FTM Up to lbs today to get them to see what they thought. They grabbed the levers and the front squeezed in until fully pressurized then it started loosing pressure. He did it again. Same thing. I had not thought to try this. After looking everything over he notices some fluid leaking out at the lever. Pulled some more and more fluid. These brakes were just rebuilt by MAGURA. may bee putting some BB7's on there. Last time took a month to get them back. Actuallyoke the BB7's on my RIG. Cannot afford Hopes. Have heard the Shimano XT's were pretty good and reasonable. Will not go with AVID hydraulics
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    Nothing major wrong with Avids I have except noisy and the 3's constantly rubbed. I'd clean them and they would work good with no rub for about 50 miles and then start again. Piston got a chip in it after I worked on them knee deep in a 12 pack a few weeks ago and that was the last straw.My fault of course. The Hopes aren't much more than the new XT Shimanos if you figure in a bleed kit for the XT.. The 2012 XT's look sick. I wanted Hopes for easy bleeds and I heard they are simple to rebuild. I'll find out down the road. Hate to hear about your Maguras. I had BB7's on my hard tail and gotta admit I miss them. They were a little harder to pull than my hydros but I never had an issue with them.
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    Rode my rig this morning. BB7's just plain work. Already been pricing. Waiting on bikerbob to finish quoting. Already good pricing on the brakes. Just need cables and levers
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    Can't blame you for going 7's Harrison. The hydros seem to be hit or miss when buying but the 7's I have yet to hear bad about. Should have rode with us this morning dude. Saw a SJ endo off a big boulder and get chunked about 30 yards down the hill. Rider is ok. Definitely fun to watch the better riders ride the chunky stuff and Oak Mountain has just gotten some on the new trail "Boulder Ridge". Too much for me but fun to watch.
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    Up date on brakes. Took some miles to bed the rotors an pads. Alot more than I thought. Must have around 70 miles on them and their feeling much better. Great stopping power. I don't think I will need the M4 on the front after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00sable View Post
    Up date on brakes. Took some miles to bed the rotors an pads. Alot more than I thought. Must have around 70 miles on them and their feeling much better. Great stopping power. I don't think I will ned the M4 on the front after all.
    If two pistons stop great, imagine what 4 can do.

    Glad to hear they are working for you.


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