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    Hope y y y am i so heavy

    Why am I so heavy.... what shall I do ?~?

    It's 32 pounds and the average All Mountain bike weight but interested in where weight can be saved or where it is. My bars are the correct AM width... but I'm too heavy at 220 lbs.... so all loose 30 pounds (not sure if I can but I should ) to get to the AM average. I read about all these light ML builds and wonder how I gained so much weight....

    I'm looking at maybe a new fork when I get more info on 08 models, but happy with what I got. So far I like the changes to the 08 Fox 32 air spring series. Any comments appreciated. I guess my objective is really rough XC so I can loose some weight and avoid further injuries for the near future (well the odd DH run would not go astray ). Terrain is steepish ups and downs and on the rougher side. The Roco air is 347 grams and will keep it on and sell the DHX C.


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    Titus Moto Lite, medium
    07 Marzocchi Roco Air
    06 Marzocchi All Mountain 1
    Mavic 819 rims
    Geax Sturdy 2.25 UST tyres
    07 Juicy 7 brakes 185 rotors
    Thomson X4 90mm, 0 degree stem, 7.5mm spacers under
    Truvativ Hussefelt, 35 rise bar, 680 wide
    ODI Rogue grips
    Thomson Elite seat pole, 330mm i think
    Spec Rival 143 cromo saddle (need new saddle soon)
    07 X9 rear D med cage
    07 X7 shifters
    06 XT front D
    XT Crank 22/34
    Candy SL pedals
    e.thirteen bash guard
    XT 11-34 cluster
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    Bet you could lose 2 pounds

    If you changed your fork, tires and seat.

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    You can slash some weight with your crank (XTR), saddle ( try looking at Gobi Fizik ), fork ( use Demo's favorite Fox talas 32 ) that is easy - 3 lbs

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    Looks like XT hubs?

    I bet you could drop 1.5lbs with king hubs and some carbon bars.....

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    seat.... not all that heavy at the moment.... but

    spec says the 143 Rival is 290 grams (what I have now)
    the Rival SL is 235 grams which could save .121 lb
    the Laser V's are around 240 grams as well ?~? I like seats with sag


    tyres.... i think duly says these actually weigh 900 grams but feel much lighter rolling, and seem to out-roll and feel better than much lighter 2.1 Xmarks I tried (don't know why). They have such good grip for my terrain as well.

    I don't think all find a lighter UST tyre that rolls as well and can handle rough terrain, so I might keep using these. Tubes do not agree with me and I would only run UST tyres for safety. I have burped but never complete failures like demo_slug has. I have however had catastrophic pinch flats DH on tubes. I am careful not to use a real wide floppy front tyre as my rims are only 19mm inside dim.

    Thank-you. and please keep suggestions and comments coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Looks like XT hubs?

    I bet you could drop 1.5lbs with king hubs and some carbon bars.....
    bars... these weigh 337 grams apparently
    I believe the carbon FSA Gravity's are 230 grams .... .235 lbs there and wider

    XT hubs... I never have paid attention the hub weights or hubs for that matter. I suppose XT hubs are not the flashiest around.
    All have to look up weights, I know Shimano hubs appear heavy as they include skewer weights but all have to look into new hubs soon and real weight differences.

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    Ditto on what they said

    Although you wont save significant weight on a more from Xt to XTR cranks, 60 grms or so. Your seat post is fairly light for its application and you seem to like your tyres. Not sure about your HB but for 200+ elbows i wouldnt try to save 50 or 100 grms here.

    NOt that i know you or your physical condition but a gut check would be the cheapest and best way. A change in diet (as a lifestyle not as temporary) can have dramatic effects on the belly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gte819s
    Although you wont save significant weight on a more from Xt to XTR cranks, 60 grms or so. Your seat post is fairly light for its application and you seem to like your tyres. Not sure about your HB but for 200+ elbows i wouldnt try to save 50 or 100 grms here.

    NOt that i know you or your physical condition but a gut check would be the cheapest and best way. A change in diet (as a lifestyle not as temporary) can have dramatic effects on the belly.
    Yup... all keep XT cranks (well mine stay tight anyways)

    You hit the nail on the head that I have been avoiding... time to change the diet.

    I never have been 'on a diet' as I always knew any fad diet would not stick and I would hate it. My weight crept up due to some injuries, but my fat distribution is very good so no 'big belly' really popped out to alarm me. I have been thinking of diet changes for months now....

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    Juicy 7's are not the lightest brake out there. if you had some aussie dollars burning a hole in your pocket, get some formula oro biancos -- 7 inch front, 6 inch rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    Juicy 7's are not the lightest brake out there. if you had some aussie dollars burning a hole in your pocket, get some formula oro biancos -- 7 inch front, 6 inch rear.
    Yeah, but that's expensive...

    We need to lose those AM's, mate... They're over five nice pounds. If just Fox could bring up some fork with a comparable A2C... A pound less of fork and we're golden.

    Vanilla and XC700 are looking good for 2008...

    And no, Duly, suspension is never too expensive.

    You could lose some weight too at the tyres... but WHY ON EARTH if the Sturdy's make you happy????

    I gotta tell you... You're being either:

    a) A gear ho' trying to justify himself
    b) A weight weenie (I'm burning to use a Fo'ism, but I won't)
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    bars... these weigh 337 grams apparently
    I believe the carbon FSA Gravity's are 230 grams .... .235 lbs there and wider
    raceface next LP caron risers are 184g. Thats 150g difference which is .33lbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    XT hubs... I never have paid attention the hub weights or hubs for that matter. I suppose XT hubs are not the flashiest around.
    All have to look up weights, I know Shimano hubs appear heavy as they include skewer weights but all have to look into new hubs soon and real weight differences.
    Your lookin' at about 450g for a XT rear hub. compared to 268 for a king. 182g difference or .4lbs.

    So bars and hubs woudl knock 3/4lbs off your bike without affecting performance (maybe even improving it). Youd want to replace the bars occasionally though.

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    WTB Weirwolf

    I just put a 2.1(which actually measured 2.125) UST Weirwolf on my rear that weighed 726 grams on my scale, that is almost 175 grams lighter than your current tires, 350 grams for both tires. I think they roll pretty good and they last a long time. Also, why do you need a 7" rear rotor. Change that puppy to a six incher and quit locking up your rear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
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    We need to lose those AM's, mate... They're over five nice pounds. If just Fox could bring up some fork with a comparable A2C... A pound less of fork and we're golden.

    Vanilla and XC700 are looking good for 2008...

    ...
    Finding a fork for me is like picking the lesser of the evils.

    I tried a 505 fork and a 508 fork on the ML... I tried adding spacers, removing spacers, stems up, stems down, bars backwards, stems sideways.... I just could not dig short forks.

    For 32, Fox makes apparently the best high speed damping and weight so should I get one and live with it ?~? I believe 36 Talas is a no no.... but 130 travel would be good for climbs and windy work and 160 only in the steeps to keep me happy. Then I think Pike because it's a reasonable height but if it's the same damping as the Rev I know it won't agree with me. My 06 AM is very stiff at 140mm travel and the height works for me. High speed damping is a bit off colour, but I changed to "6.25" weight in TST and did feel much better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    raceface next LP caron risers are 184g. Thats 150g difference which is .33lbs.

    Your lookin' at about 450g for a XT rear hub. compared to 268 for a king. 182g difference or .4lbs.

    So bars and hubs woudl knock 3/4lbs off your bike without affecting performance (maybe even improving it). Youd want to replace the bars occasionally though.
    Unfortunately, Next carbon's are not wide enough. I need at least 680's.

    I remember looking up my 756 6-bolt hubs and the weight included the skewer. I guess a skewer weighs around 60 grams ... so that puts it around 390g vs. 268g but much better performance with King. Hope Pro 2 hub 298g and much cheaper.

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    XO Rear der, xo trigger shifters, Magura sl brakes, thomson masterpiece....

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    AM, whats your hubs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    I just put a 2.1(which actually measured 2.125) UST Weirwolf on my rear that weighed 726 grams on my scale, that is almost 175 grams lighter than your current tires, 350 grams for both tires. I think they roll pretty good and they last a long time. Also, why do you need a 7" rear rotor. Change that puppy to a six incher and quit locking up your rear!
    I have never used a WTB tyre and don't know anything about them. I don't recall any locals using them here either

    Prefer to use 2.25 to 2.35 tyres

    I like my 7" rear rotor . Juicy's are not very powerful so it's not all skids in the rear. I can control the rear brake easy enough by instinct at the lever. I really should use an 8" up front though (that tells you Juicy's are not that powerful). I would like Formula brakes, but cannot afford at the moment.

    From what I understand (besides descents), rotor size has something to do with how powerful your brakes are and what tyres you use. Heavy and really grippy tyres could use larger rotors than light or less grippy tyres.

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    As it stands your three largest potentials of weight loss are the fork, tyres, and (possibly) the hubs. It seems you are happy with what you have so Ph uk it, ride it and be happy. Or spend more money and 'invest' in your happiness. Better wheels are never a bad idea. Either way you got a motolite

    You got the right idea, there is no 'going on a diet', your diet is what you eat and is part of your lifestyle.

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    If you want a lighter fox fork but don't want the shorter a2c, why not get the ventana headset race? That adds like an extra 7mm, or something like that.

    Oh and if you want the lighter hubs, hopes are a tiny bit lighter than kings i think, and cost a lot less.
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    Wheels
    • XT hubs are quite heavy; American Classic / WTB LaserDisc Lite are quite light, but Ive heard their being not too bulletproof. Get Hope Pro II / DT 340/240
    • Tires: hav no idea. But normally you can go a lot lighter here
    • Spokes: someone told me that DT Super Comp is actually stronger for disc brakes application than DT Comp, at lighter weight. It might be the same weight saving of going XT to XTR cranks, but they are part of the rotating wheels, so weight saving here will be more significant


    Chassis
    • The fork can go; get Fox 32 TALAS / RS Revelation; Hav noidea abt the shock, though
    • Saddle: personal preference. But at your weight, I am skeptical about Ti rail
    • Handlebar: your choice; personal preference
    • How about carbon rear?


    Drivetrain
    • Crank: XTR crank is lighter than your XT, but remember: yours come with 2 chainrings only, so it is possibly the same weight of (or even lighter than) XTR.
    • Brakes: going Magura Marta SL saves you about 9 ounces.


    Finish the kit with seatclamp/skewers/seatpost from here
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    I say get a 36. I heard it doesn't effect the warrenty?


    Watch out for any light peice of $hit saddles. One of the rails "SNAPPED" on mine yesterday! I'm just sitting there pounding away on the peddals and "BING CRACK THUMP!" I've got half a saddle up my ass. garbage! I was holding the foam on the nose with duckt tape cause after not even a yr the cover had completly come off and the padding was next.... so much for titanium.

    Anyway I didn't finish reading the thread yet, just seemed like a good opertunity to mention my freak saddle incident. looks like I got about thee posts left... back at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    AM, whats your hubs?
    Shimano 756, 6 bolt

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    Quote Originally Posted by celluloid hero
    If you want a lighter fox fork but don't want the shorter a2c, why not get the ventana headset race? That adds like an extra 7mm, or something like that.

    Oh and if you want the lighter hubs, hopes are a tiny bit lighter than kings i think, and cost a lot less.
    race ....yeah... that's what Chris90210 did

    only thing is... I was too frugal to buy the King headset and got Cane Creak S8 instead

    I think the King headset has a taller lower though .... but don't really want to get a new one just yet .... I would have to add this cost to a 32 Fox fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Shimano 756, 6 bolt
    I think you will love sealed bearing hubs

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    lose weight on yourself it sounds cheaper ..

    my enduro weighs 33 lbs and i dont want to shed any lbs on it ... rides great.
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    Fox forks cost quit a few shillings here too! along with some farthings, quid or whatever else you wanta use.

    It was a MaxM!!!!! the older one. I just put my other SellItalia on there. If that one goes I think I've got a LazerV or some such laying around somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Fox forks cost quit a few shillings here too! along with some farthings, quid or whatever else you wanta use.

    It was a MaxM!!!!! the older one. I just put my other SellItalia on there. If that one goes I think I've got a LazerV or some such laying around somewhere.
    Hey Blackey... to continue with the highjacks...

    How's that Rampage doing for you?
    You running it at the "rare" (sorry Whafe, I couldn't help it... ), right??

    I'm running it front and loving it. I remounted them today with soap on the beads and inflated to 45psi and it "grew" 1mm to 58mm at the tread, 54mm at the casing... Much nicer. Also, I have to mount tyres with soapy water so they pop right into the rim's bead. Weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Hey Blackey... to continue with the highjacks...

    How's that Rampage doing for you?
    You running it at the "rare" (sorry Whafe, I couldn't help it... ), right??

    I'm running it front and loving it. I remounted them today with soap on the beads and inflated to 45psi and it "grew" 1mm to 58mm at the tread, 54mm at the casing... Much nicer. Also, I have to mount tyres with soapy water so they pop right into the rim's bead. Weird.

    It wares out fast. It hooks up less and less in the corners over time but it still rolls fast, and "I guess" for how it rolls, it hooks up ok still. It's stll in the RARE cause I still won't trust anything but my trusty Nevigals in the front, and honestly I can't wait to get one back on the RARE.

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    Great bike.

    Go full XTR, King, carbon, and change the fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    Wheels
    • XT hubs are quite heavy; American Classic / WTB LaserDisc Lite are quite light, but Ive heard their being not too bulletproof. Get Hope Pro II / DT 340/240
    • Tires: hav no idea. But normally you can go a lot lighter here
    • Spokes: someone told me that DT Super Comp is actually stronger for disc brakes application than DT Comp, at lighter weight. It might be the same weight saving of going XT to XTR cranks, but they are part of the rotating wheels, so weight saving here will be more significant
    I suppose Super Comps would elongate more to better absorb more impact loads. This might make them too 'flexy' for me. I think all stay with Comp's . My wheelbuilder wanted me to go fat straight gauge so I would not complain they flex


    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi

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    • The fork can go; get Fox 32 TALAS / RS Revelation; Hav noidea abt the shock, though
    • Saddle: personal preference. But at your weight, I am skeptical about Ti rail
    • Handlebar: your choice; personal preference
    • How about carbon rear?
    Tried a Rev... did not prefer it. about Ti rail... you callin' me fat ?~?
    I would get the MLII rare ... does it still accommodate the same width clearance ?~?
    But my polished looks so nice...

    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    Drivetrain
    • Crank: XTR crank is lighter than your XT, but remember: yours come with 2 chainrings only, so it is possibly the same weight of (or even lighter than) XTR.
    • Brakes: going Magura Marta SL saves you about 9 ounces.


    Finish the kit with seatclamp/skewers/seatpost from here
    I think my e13 bashie weighs much much more than a large chainring !~!
    All never be a Maggie pimp like Warp.... Formula is next for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by gte819s
    As it stands your three largest potentials of weight loss are the fork, tyres, and (possibly) the hubs. It seems you are happy with what you have so Ph uk it, ride it and be happy. Or spend more money and 'invest' in your happiness. Better wheels are never a bad idea. Either way you got a motolite

    You got the right idea, there is no 'going on a diet', your diet is what you eat and is part of your lifestyle.
    I think you're right. The conclusion I am coming too is I can loose a pound and gain some performance in hubs and the like... but these can wait longer until things wear more. At least I have done some good research and better understanding thanks to everyones help. I now have a future plan shaping up.

    The real conclusions are I want to replace a 5 pound fork with another 5 pound fork , and need to change my eating habits for the better

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    It wares out fast. It hooks up less and less in the corners over time but it still rolls fast, and "I guess" for how it rolls, it hooks up ok still. It's stll in the RARE cause I still won't trust anything but my trusty Nevigals in the front, and honestly I can't wait to get one back on the RARE.
    Seems I'll jump into the Nevegal bandwagon next time then...
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    AM.........You weight weinee cross country lyca wearing wannabee.........Why on earth would you want to lighten the ML......(unless you're loading up for bear in the way of a new 6 inch frame enroute to transfer your burlier parts to).

    But heres about 3 pounds of weight savings.....

    1) Fork.....Go 08 Fox 32 Talas
    2) New wheelset with Hope hubs and 5.1 rims with supercomp spokes
    3) New Saddle.........Ti will hold that big boned a$$ of your's up.
    4) As your wife says....put on a new rubber will you....Go Nobbi Nic 2.4 front and rear
    5) Brakes..........go Magura Marta(not SL waste of money IMO) and go as big as rotor as you can fit front and rear.
    6) Handlebar....go back to CF like Raceface or Maxm and by some disability insurance if you're that worried
    7) GO new CF motolite 2 rear, but that is the same debate as CF bars

    if you do all that you should be good for 4 lbs and then the bike will match your spandex
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiEndo
    AM.........You weight weinee cross country lyca wearing wannabee.........Why on earth would you want to lighten the ML......(unless you're loading up for bear in the way of a new 6 inch frame enroute to transfer your burlier parts to).
    That is what I was suspecting , thanks TiEndo for confirming it

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    Quote Originally Posted by barelylegal
    That is what I was suspecting , thanks TiEndo for confirming it

    Are you talking about AM or me??????
    "Can I put a Totem on a FTM?".....Originally Posted by All Mountain

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    step zero. buy a scale. its cheap compared to bike parts. my ultimate scale is cheap compared to all the use i've got out of it. if you already have a scale then continue.

    1. that bash guard weighs a ton. pitch in the trash. its not just all the plastic its also the XL bolts that come with it. get a gamut if you are dead set on polycarb.

    2. I think that seat weighs a ton or at least my rival 255 was a bunch more then spec., you need to weigh it. the spec lies. I run a WTB Pure team or the Pure stealth. 240-250grams or so. I got 3 of them. and three bikes, and a pile of unused seats. its a big wide lite seat for the big boned guys. it'll start to Squeak after 6-12 months but they all do that.

    3. pedals, time XE

    4. easton DH carbon bars

    5. lighter tires. Nev 2.1 UST, and or WTB weirwolf is good in loose.

    6. pitch the 819s they are skinny bricks, they weigh more then DT51.s, you want light stiff tubeless, then you need mavic cross max.

    9. ....

    10. find a 4 pound fork. and RP23

    that is a solid 27 pound med motolite. thats about what my buddy rides. although he is thinking about the hydo formed lowers.which I think is worth 1/3 of a pound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiEndo
    Are you talking about AM or me??????
    Both

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Very happy with my current rim and spoke selection, but looks like I need to get better hubs soon. Do Hopes hubs roll better than XT ?~?
    Yes it does now you can put your XT hubs to your new EG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    1. that bash guard weighs a ton. pitch in the trash. its not just all the plastic its also the XL bolts that come with it. get a gamut if you are dead set on polycarb.
    i have not idea what it weighed when i bought it... it looked good so i bought it... never thought about the bolts... i should weigh this.... i never think to weigh things....

    Dangerboy any good ?~?


    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    2. I think that seat weighs a ton or at least my rival 255 was a bunch more then spec., you need to weigh it. the spec lies. I run a WTB Pure team or the Pure stealth. 240-250grams or so. I got 3 of them. and three bikes, and a pile of unused seats. its a big wide lite seat for the big boned guys. it'll start to Squeak after 6-12 months but they all do that.
    Pure Team looks good, thanks for the suggestion


    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    3. pedals, time XE
    i already have weight weenie Candy SL and like them (didn't like the platform version though )


    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    4. easton DH carbon bars
    I thought FSA Gravity just as good and cheaper....


    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    5. lighter tires. Nev 2.1 UST, and or WTB weirwolf is good in loose.
    Seems to be a few WTB fanboy's guess all look into them... the aussie mag hates them though and no one rides them here

    Nev 2.1 UST... i suppose it's as big bag as my Sturdy's ?~? I heard Stan's kills them. I use Stan's in my UST's

    My rare Sturdy is getting worn (I have to rode road to get to trails now).


    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    6. pitch the 819s they are skinny bricks, they weigh more then DT51.s, you want light stiff tubeless, then you need mavic cross max.
    819's weigh the same as 5.1 and have had no issues with them
    they will stay


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    9. ....
    best advice yet


    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    10. find a 4 pound fork. and RP23
    RP23 Never liked it. Roco Air stays put... it agrees very well with me

    Fork ?~? Why no 36 love or me
    08 32 Float R ?~?


    Quote Originally Posted by demo_slug
    that is a solid 27 pound med motolite. thats about what my buddy rides. although he is thinking about the hydo formed lowers.which I think is worth 1/3 of a pound.

    he should get the entire new rare package

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    i have not idea what it weighed when i bought it... it looked good so i bought it... never thought about the bolts... i should weigh this.... i never think to weigh things....

    Dangerboy any good ?~?
    I run an MRP i got with an LRP (LRP is in the pile of un loved parts) but on the ML i still use a 44 tooth.


    Seems to be a few WTB fanboy's guess all look into them... the aussie mag hates them though and no one rides them here
    Nev 2.1 UST... i suppose it's as big bag as my Sturdy's ?~? I heard Stan's kills them. I use Stan's in my UST's
    i've run nevs with stans for over a year... no stans issue. nevs do wear fast on the rear.




    819's weigh the same as 5.1
    and thinner. 819s blow. too heavy for how wide they are.




    RP23 Never liked it. Roco Air stays put... it agrees very well with me

    Fork ?~? Why no 36 love or me
    08 32 Float R ?~?
    just telling you whats on it. my large ML is under 30... even with the heavier frame, 8 inch disks and 819s.


    he should get the entire new rare package
    grams per $$ ratio , the lower is worth while as an upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    I think you're right. The conclusion I am coming too is I can loose a pound and gain some performance in hubs and the like... but these can wait longer until things wear more. At least I have done some good research and better understanding thanks to everyones help. I now have a future plan shaping up.

    The real conclusions are I want to replace a 5 pound fork with another 5 pound fork , and need to change my eating habits for the better
    I am having the sabe "debate" with myself... but I am sticking to losing some belly for now...and switch parts little by little... the "serrated" rotors seem to be a good weight saver so far ... the NNs are another good suggestion...bummer that there no 2.4 UST NNs yet...


    about the Hopes..I find they roll a bit better than my old XTs..engagement is a tiny bit faster... though not as fast as Kings....

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    I was only thinking a pound or so
    Funny stuff, I started this thread as I thought my build was already 'lightweight' and could not understand why it was so heavy. As it turns out my build is not all that 'lightweight' as I thought. I got to get into this XC stuff more...
    Same here... but I don't care now. the investment should be too much just to satisfy my ego to say "mine is under 30 pounds".

    30-32 pounds is a nice weight for a long lasting trailbike.

    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    Very happy with my current rim and spoke selection, but looks like I need to get better hubs soon. Do Hopes hubs roll better than XT ?~?
    No. Actually you'll find it hard to get anything that ROLLS better than a Shimano and their cone and ball bearings.

    Hopes require less maintenance, last longer, engage better and weight less for even or more strength. The Pro II is the rear hub to beat. Price, quality and performance are there. Plus you'd be supporting the Commonwealth's economy.
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    New Bontrager Duster rim coming out mid-July is about 460g. 28mm wide, 32 hole and tubless ready (TLR)...same rim as on the Rhythm wheelset but 32 hole instead of 24.

    edit: Marz is lightest in class...LINKY
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    Hmm, it sounds a little backasswards. So you weigh 220, ride hard and want to weight weenie the bike? How about you lose some belly weight first, and then lighten up the bike?

    Then I should not talk, I could lose another 10#, but that did not stop me from dropping way too much money into weight weeniing the bike.

    Demo suggestions sound pretty good to me. I'd definitely keep the crankset. Dropping $500 for an XTR crankset that's only a few grams lighter and probably not as reliable does not make sense.

    Wheelset: get a new wheelset with Hope hubs (blingy, reliable and lighter than the XT) with nice rims (check out the new Stan's, I like my Arch) could be nice too.
    Faster is not always better, but it's always more fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    The real conclusions are I want to replace a 5 pound fork with another 5 pound fork , and need to change my eating habits for the better
    Too funny, AM. I assume that the "my bike is a porker" comment was in gest then.....

    One comment. I'd skip on a ti-saddle. I've had a wtb rocket v and a selle italia flite ti. I bent one rail and broke the other on the rocket v in a crash and bent both rails on the selle italia during a botched log ride dismount. I had both companies replace the rails and I promptly sold both of them on ebay. Went back to their "recreational" use speed v and haven't broke a saddle since. True, you can save 150 grams on the ti versions, but I'd rather not worry about them holding up.

    Just switched to a Hope rear hub on my reign a couple of weeks ago. So far, so good. It's rather noisy when coasting, but the engagement is nicer than my old hubs and a bit lighter. Seemed like a good deal ($170) vs. a King which I couldn't personally justify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme

    One comment. I'd skip on a ti-saddle. I've had a wtb rocket v and a selle italia flite ti. I bent one rail and broke the other on the rocket v in a crash and bent both rails on the selle italia during a botched log ride dismount.
    devil's advocate- I've been riding flites for 15 years and have never broken or dislocated a rail like that. I think you had a freak occurrence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    Seemed like a good deal ($170) vs. a King which I couldn't personally justify.
    Cheers,
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    Even when I offered you a used rear king hub for $70? It went for $300 on eBay!

    Just pokin' fun at ya. I'd agree King's are over-priced, and not ideal for FR/DH. But the cost isn't bad when they last forever (seriously- I bought mine in 1998!) and King backs them up with great (and extremely reasonable) service. It's kind of like buying organic produce, theres like 200 reasons to go King (sustainability being one reason-both from the rider and MFG's viewpoint) and one big reason not to- price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Just pokin' fun at ya. I'd agree King's are over-priced, and not ideal for FR/DH. But the cost isn't bad when they last forever (seriously- I bought mine in 1998!) and King backs them up with great (and extremely reasonable) service. It's kind of like buying organic produce, theres like 200 reasons to go King (sustainability being one reason-both from the rider and MFG's viewpoint) and one big reason not to- price!
    Agreed... God thanks the Queen for Hope!!

    Bling at the reach of mere mortals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    devil's advocate- I've been riding flites for 15 years and have never broken or dislocated a rail like that. I think you had a freak occurrence.
    That's possible, but I got the rocket V immediately after the selle italia and it only lasted a couple of months as well. Two ti saddles breaking on me in less than 3 months doesn't bode well for my long term useage. I definitely crash less frequently these days, but they're usually at higher speeds with harder tumbles. As a matter of fact, the crash I had last week which knocked me a bit silly, I came down with all my weight on my saddle and that's exactly the type of crash that I broke my rocket v on.

    There are pretty frequent tales of others bending their ti rales, so I don't think I'm an anomaly. Plus, at ~155 lbs., you'd think they wouldn't bend on me.....I'm svelte goddamit!!

    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Even when I offered you a used rear king hub for $70? It went for $300 on eBay!
    Well, I already had the Hope in my garage at that point or I would've taken you up on your offer......and you told me it was $100! Maybe your mixing me up with one of your good friends?? Seriously, I could've bought your 7 year old, but perfectly nice king for $70 (a generous offer since you'd make a fortune on it with ebay) or I had an already purchased Hope.....so I decided to stick with the Hope.

    Anyway, I'm off to go do some digging. Catch ya later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Same here... but I don't care now. the investment should be too much just to satisfy my ego to say "mine is under 30 pounds".

    30-32 pounds is a nice weight for a long lasting trailbike.

    No. Actually you'll find it hard to get anything that ROLLS better than a Shimano and their cone and ball bearings.

    Hopes require less maintenance, last longer, engage better and weight less for even or more strength. The Pro II is the rear hub to beat. Price, quality and performance are there. Plus you'd be supporting the Commonwealth's economy.
    If DT's flashy new RFX is under 30 pounds why can't my ML be ?~?

    Actually, I'm shooting for 31 pounds... only 1 pound to come off... anything less would be extremely ghey for a ML

    I kept my XT's because I like how they roll and every time I look around in them they are still in good nic. I think this winter all ride through more mud XT's are too quiet... I want my next ones to be loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    New Bontrager Duster rim coming out mid-July is about 460g. 28mm wide, 32 hole and tubless ready (TLR)...same rim as on the Rhythm wheelset but 32 hole instead of 24.

    edit: Marz is lightest in class...LINKY
    32 hole is good, any less and you would be a sissy

    What fork you getting, time to give us the good oil. You must have an extra hook on the wall for a new fork ?~?

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