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    X-Carbon BIke Porn

    New X-Carbon, just built today.

    I'm waiting for a few parts
    • Thomson Elite Seatpost
    • Thonsom X4 Stem
    • Handlebars with few less degrees bend. These are 5 deg and I don't like it
    • A new front tyre


    But apart from that, she is a beauty.
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    Man that thing looks fast!

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    I see you hit the fork in the road!

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    lol.

    I figured the fork made a change from the bike stand. I could photoshop it out but I would rather be riding.

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    solid!

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    Anyone got the black one?
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    I will be picking up my black medium X from Biker Bob this weekend! 120 mm Sid going out front. XO 10 speed groupo. Not sure on brakes and wheels yet.

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    photo op

    Quote Originally Posted by IronXterra12
    I will be picking up my black medium X from Biker Bob this weekend! 120 mm Sid going out front. XO 10 speed groupo. Not sure on brakes and wheels yet.
    There WILL be photos.

    Tough to work with yellow, but it definitely matches my Protege 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronXterra12
    I will be picking up my black medium X from Biker Bob this weekend! 120 mm Sid going out front. XO 10 speed groupo. Not sure on brakes and wheels yet.
    Nice.

    I'm looking forwards to the fully built pictures. Will make a nice contrast to my white X-Carbon.

    Wheelwise, I'm running Hope Pro3 SP-CX6 with Stan's Crest rims. Incredibly light and just over half the price of Mavic SLRs (in the UK)

    Brakewise, I'm running Hope Race X2, which are very light and fine for the trail riding I do.

    Still waiting for the new XTR pedals!

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    that's a really nice bike!

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    Bob, I see that you're using the RP23. Isn't the new Monarch RT3 better?
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    Every Titus fs I've ever owned or bought direct from Tempe, AZ, has come with the RP23 , except for the early El Guapo which had the Pearl (ouch)

    I have had no opportunity to buy the new P-X/O-O Titus closeout frames, but look forward to trying.

    My past experience with RS rear shocks is another story. Pearl and previous.
    I do hear good things about the Monarch, but Fox is the real deal, too.

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    Guys, what headset is the right one for this X Carbon? Standard Italian top bottom same size or is it tapered with bigger bottom? Any specific FSA or Cane Creek model that you guys use? My fork is a Fox F100 RLC. Thanks!
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    Bob and I started building my X carbon. Ended up going X9 and XO brakes. Thompson Stem and seatpost w/ a lay back. Just ordered Stans wheels: Hope Pro 2's w/ Arch rims. They are a bit heavier, but I'm too close to the weight limit for comfort on the crests. Still very race worthy and will be the rig taking me to the finish line at Leadville. Any suggestions for tires?

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    I can just imagine how your bike looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda
    Guys, what headset is the right one for this X Carbon? Standard Italian top bottom same size or is it tapered with bigger bottom? Any specific FSA or Cane Creek model that you guys use? My fork is a Fox F100 RLC. Thanks!
    It is not tapered - takes a straight campy/Italian integrated headset. Fsa does the orbit CF, amongst others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda
    Guys, what headset is the right one for this X Carbon? Standard Italian top bottom same size or is it tapered with bigger bottom? Any specific FSA or Cane Creek model that you guys use? My fork is a Fox F100 RLC. Thanks!
    I wanted to run an hope integrated headset but they struggled to fit it. So they used a FSA headset. Not sure which model they fitted but they assured me it was of a similar quality to the hope.
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    650b potential?

    Hey, can someone please post some detailed pictures of the rear triangle of the Carbon-X with a 26" 2.1-3 mounted in it? I'm trying to figure out if a 650b would fit before I pull the trigger...

    I know, I'm weird... humour me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronXterra12
    Bob and I started building my X carbon. Ended up going X9 and XO brakes. Thompson Stem and seatpost w/ a lay back. Just ordered Stans wheels: Hope Pro 2's w/ Arch rims. They are a bit heavier, but I'm too close to the weight limit for comfort on the crests. Still very race worthy and will be the rig taking me to the finish line at Leadville. Any suggestions for tires?
    Tires for Leadville I would suggest Kenda SB8's unless it rains. Dave Weins used a Contiental X-King 2.2 last year but I think that slowed him down. I like Contiental tires but right now they don't a fast rolling tire with good protection like the small block 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronXterra12
    Any suggestions for tires?
    A friend who has done PbVille a bunch uses Spez Fast Trak LT's... I ran them the one year I did it and they worked well. He's also run the Stan's Crows and liked 'em.... Remember, this race is a glorified road ride!
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    I've heard of some people ripping side walls, so that is a concern of mine. I'd like to keep the tires light, but not to the point that I need to worry about rolling over every obstacle on the course. I was looking at Rocket Ron's and Racing Ralph's, but can't find anything on which one would be the faster rolling tire out of the two. I was also looking at the Larsen TT's Lust. The specialized could definately work as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    I'm trying to figure out if a 650b would fit before I pull the trigger...
    bump... Please oh please a picture of the rear triangle tire clearence?
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    What stem are you running Robin and how tall are you?

    Just put my order in, 2 weeks to wait and sort kit now. Xx120 fork.

    How does the bike ride with the 120 15qr, is it just on the nice side of fast steering?

    Xx 166 crank first on the list

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    bump... Please oh please a picture of the rear triangle tire clearence?
    Will do as soon as I get chance this wekend

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    I'm about 5ft 10 inches

    I'm running a 100mm 5deg Thomson stem (I changed stem after the picture was taken), I have a lot of head tube washers taking the attitude that it is easier to trim a steer tube then make it get longer. I run flat bars as opposed to riser bars because I prefer to ride cross country over downhill.

    I might get a 90mm stem in the winter when the trail gets a bit muddier.

    I'm running the F32 100RLC forks, with the 15qr and it makes the forks so stiff that I am flying down the twisty singletrack to the extent I almost scare myself.

    In fact, I would never willing go back to old style forks after riding the 15qr.

    I might need heftier brakes than the Hope Race X2 as the bike has given me a bit more of a turn of speed downhill. I'm still trying to make my mind up about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinfisk
    Will do as soon as I get chance this wekend
    As promised:

    On the rear I am running a maxxis advantage 2.1. There is (to my mind) plenty of clearance and certainly no less than many of the other bikes I have ridden

    Have used a ruler on the stays to give you a more quantitative idea of the clearance
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronXterra12
    I've heard of some people ripping side walls, so that is a concern of mine. I'd like to keep the tires light, but not to the point that I need to worry about rolling over every obstacle on the course. I was looking at Rocket Ron's and Racing Ralph's, but can't find anything on which one would be the faster rolling tire out of the two. I was also looking at the Larsen TT's Lust. The specialized could definately work as well.
    I don't recommend the Larsen TT's as they are a draggy tire on the tarmac. When you stop pedaling it's like you hit a 20 knot head wind.

    As for the Schwalbe Rocket Ron's and Racing Ralphs, I have always stayed away from them because of their own tread pattern which I feel makes them prone to casing punctures. Not to mention they are really expensive when compared to the SB8's or Slant 6's. (But if you try them, let me know what you think of them)

    Here is what the new Slant 6 looks like.


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    Robin is that the xtr race or trail and if its the race do you know the Q factor, is it bigger than 165

    Can't devisee between xx 166 and xtr race. It's difficult to find the xtr with Q factors specified!

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    I thought I had the race variant, but spent some time trawling the shimano website and in fact it is trail.

    I'm running the 38/26 chainrings. Quite simply because I won't make it up the local hills without the 26/36 combo. I used to be fit, then I discovered pies.

    In over 20 years of biking I have never worried about Q-Factor, but I have worried about getting the right chain line. And for these cranks the bike shop fitted a spacer washer on the drive side to get the right chain line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinfisk
    As promised:

    On the rear I am running a maxxis advantage 2.1. There is (to my mind) plenty of clearance and certainly no less than many of the other bikes I have ridden

    Have used a ruler on the stays to give you a more quantitative idea of the clearance
    Thanks much Robin!!!

    It looks like there is plenty of clearence for a 650b (27 1/2") wheel on the seat stays. The chain stays might have potential but they look tight. I'm NOT worried about side to side clearence. The 650b wheel is about 3/4" larger on the radius compared to a 26" wheel.

    Could I ask you to measure the distance from the outside edge of your tire to the edge of the backside pivot cross member on the rear triangle down on the chain stays? This will tell me if there is enough room to clear the larger diameter wheel/tire associated with a 650b.

    Thanks tons for your help!!!
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    No problem

    I will measure the gap you marked in the picture when I get home this weekend

    Plus I can measure drop out to the same point on the chainstay bridge

    To be honest I doubt if there is 3/4" space between the 2.1 tyre and the stay. But I will find out for definite when I measure it

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    Finally, a pic!

    Like half of everything I ride comes out of Jenson. Figure that out.

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    Sweeeeeet! And where you be?
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    Dry Pond near Reno

    Trail is about 8-9 days post melt out, and the dirt is already getting dry on the steeps.

    Thing about this bike as compared to my El Guapo. Well, many things.

    1. It's twitchy! The front end tends to transpose a lot when steering at speed, more like a front rudder than a rail.

    2. It's light! Actual weight as shown is 24.95 lbs according to my shop scale. That's with pedals, bottle cage, and the little bracket that holds my seatbag. It accelerates somewhat effortlessly. I'm not used to getting so much response out of casual grunt work.

    3. Short travel and forward tilt geometry makes my hands hurt on the downhill. I find myself pushing hard on the bars just to keep control over the front end. Roadie-style light grip just doesn't cut it when you need more control. Hmmm, maybe I should get a shuttle back down.

    4. Quiet ride! This frame doesn't make a sound. Not a sound. Even chainslap is seemingly absent. I need a bell.
    Like half of everything I ride comes out of Jenson. Figure that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycra Matt
    Trail is about 8-9 days post melt out, and the dirt is already getting dry on the steeps.

    Thing about this bike as compared to my El Guapo. Well, many things.

    3. Short travel and forward tilt geometry makes my hands hurt on the downhill. I find myself pushing hard on the bars just to keep control over the front end. Roadie-style light grip just doesn't cut it when you need more control. Hmmm, maybe I should get a shuttle back down.
    Thanks for the locale... we did the Flume last year and loved the area. Looks like a nice trail there!

    As for your hands... get some Ergon grips. Takes some time to get use to them, but once you do, you'll never go back. I play around with Endurance Events and long hauls in the back country... and I love my Ergons!

    http://www.ergon-bike.com/us/en/home
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    Nice bike, but the white color is depressing because it reminds me of "snow". When your a cyclist in Canada, snow is the enemy.

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    Nice bike & looks like a great place to ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    Thanks much Robin!!!

    It looks like there is plenty of clearence for a 650b (27 1/2") wheel on the seat stays. The chain stays might have potential but they look tight. I'm NOT worried about side to side clearence. The 650b wheel is about 3/4" larger on the radius compared to a 26" wheel.

    Could I ask you to measure the distance from the outside edge of your tire to the edge of the backside pivot cross member on the rear triangle down on the chain stays? This will tell me if there is enough room to clear the larger diameter wheel/tire associated with a 650b.

    Thanks tons for your help!!!
    The distance from Maxis 2.1 Tyre to chainstay bride is 15mm ish,

    The distance from the centre of axel to chainstay bridge is 350mm which google tells me is 13.77 inches. So your 650b probably will not fit with any tyre clearance.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinfisk
    The distance from Maxis 2.1 Tyre to chainstay bride is 15mm ish,

    The distance from the centre of axel to chainstay bridge is 350mm which google tells me is 13.77 inches. So your 650b probably will not fit with any tyre clearance.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
    Thanks Robin for checking... Yeah, it looked tight... I have a Cannondale Rush built up now with 650b's and it's nice and fairly light. I just like the feel of the Horst Link and think the X-Carbon looks awesome!

    Guess I'll wait for Ben and Shiggy to come out with the Racer X-650b!
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    Robin, are you running a layback post with your elite post? We are a similar size.

    I was intending to run a 90mm stem, with bar ends and flat bar but I have 80mm and 70mm to try.

    I have bought a layback post but wonder if I should have gone inline?

    Frame not here yet so can't confirm :-(

    Also what is your inseam?

    Sorry for all the personal questions...I'll post some pics when she's built. The spreadsheet calculator says 22.9lbs incl. Pedals :-) we shall see

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Robin, are you running a layback post with your elite post? We are a similar size.

    I was intending to run a 90mm stem, with bar ends and flat bar but I have 80mm and 70mm to try.

    I have bought a layback post but wonder if I should have gone inline?

    Frame not here yet so can't confirm :-(

    Also what is your inseam?

    Sorry for all the personal questions...I'll post some pics when she's built. The spreadsheet calculator says 22.9lbs incl. Pedals :-) we shall see

    My seatpost is not a layback. Over the last year or so I have started to trust my forks more, so I am happier for my weight to be a little further forwards than I used to ride. This means I am letting my forks to do their job and absorb the bumps, so I don't need to keep my weight to the rear end of the bike.

    In the good old days (before through axle forks) there was a limit to how sharply I could corner a bike because the forks would flex. The worst offenders were my Manitou Mars forks, very light and equally flexy. The actual suspension qualities of early forks were not that great either. So I rode with my weight a bit further back to let the front have easier up and down motion over the bumps. This was especially true in those dark days before front suspension when I rode downhill.

    The latest Fox forks are really good at taking the shock out of the trail and the 15mm through axle adds enough stiffness to the steering that can hold a sharper line if you put that extra weight over the front wheel. Plus, the super supple rear suspension on my X-Carbon eats any bumps that might unseat me. So I ride an inline post and a slightly longer stem which keeps my weight forwards.

    If you are a super fit rider looking to adopt the most streamlined riding position so you can race faster, a layback post could be a good way to go.

    I was planning to run an 90mm stem but am in fact running a 100mm stem. Simply because I had one in my shed and my bike shop was having supply difficulties with the stem I wanted. I might move to a 90mm or even an 80mm in the winter but at the moment I am happy. It helps that I have a lot of spacer washers below my stem.
    A shorter stem will put your weight a bit further back and is probably a good choice if you ride really gnarly terrain.

    I have no idea what my inseam is, but I might measure up at some point.

    I am running the crane creek ergo II bar ends on my flat bars. A bit heavy but very very comfortable. Again more of a comfort choice that a go-fast racer choice. Plus 15 years ago I got hit by a car and both my wrists were broken so I need that comfort on long rides.

    Looking forwards to seeing the bike pics.

    Pilot are you UK based and if you are have you been to the trail at Cannock Chase? My X-Carbon was a joy to ride there, the front and rear suspension made the ride so much easier and faster.

    Hope this helps.

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    Thanks for that Robin, I might change it for an inline. I'm happy over the front.

    My local trail is Cannock. I normally take my Nicolai AM, coil shocked, Hammerschmidt equipped 160mm monster! It's actually alot of fun as the trail is every affected by braking bumps at the moment but it is over the top! I suspect the x carbon will be my normal weapon of choice there. So yep I'm in the UK. just waiting for the frame from On One. It was supposed to be here Tuesday but it's not turned up, not sure what's gone wrong yet :-(

    Specs for build below
    SID XX forks 15mm QR remote lockout
    Richey WCS 90mm stem with Ti bolts (have Thomson x4 too)
    KCNC sc bone flatbar 600mm
    KCNC bar ends
    Esi grips
    SDG I beam post with bel air SL saddle
    Hope M4 brakes with Ti bolts & 160mm pro floating rotors
    FSA CE headset with mt zoom topcap
    Xtr Trail crank 26/38
    Xtr m985 fr mech bottom clamp
    XT shadow r mech
    XT shifters on Hope matchmaker clamps Ti bolts
    XT 11-32 cassette
    YBN hollow pin chain
    Chris king hubs on Stans Alpine rims, comp spokes, schwalbe rocket Ron/nobby Nic tubeless

    Just need a frame!!!

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    Cannock Chase

    You lucky chap, I'm an hour and half drive from cannock if the M5/M6 is being kind.

    I rode cannock for the first time last weekend, you are right about the stutter bumps but my x-carbon was up to it. I love the fact that there is 14 miles of almost continuously demanding riding.

    That is a sweet build you have there. I had chris king hubs on the Racer-x carbon I built up 4 years ago and is now my 2nd bike. I never got on with the buzzing noise when I was coasting, but the chris kings do have the quickest pick up of any wheel I have ridden which make them good for those uphill starts (miles better than the Mavic wheels I ran before that) But in the end the buzzing got to me and I switched them for the more clicky hope hoops. I think the Chris King hubs are a marmite thing, you love them or you hate them.

    Maybe we will see each other at cannock over the summer, as I plan on going back a few more times. I'll be the one on the white X-Carbon with the massive grin

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    Ha, I am an hour away too, it's just the nearest real mountain biking, hence local!

    I don't have a build yet just a box of parts and now a huge problem, OnOne are telling me it may be mid June before the frame is in, I'll know more next week.

    That leaves me without a bike TP race at Mountain Mayhem where I've been training for the last 4 months to do the 24 solo event. That's the reason for buying it, to now know it might not be here despite ordering it 3 weeks ago is gutting.

    Really not sure what to do now!

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    X Carbon vs Alum

    Have you guys actually compared the 2 frames while riding? The weight of the carbon and alum frames are the same so are there actually noticeable differences between the 2? How is the Monarch RT3 vs the RP23?

    Actually my new Carbon X size S frame weighted with the RT3 is 2345gr without headset or bb. The alum X came out to be 2225gr with RP23.
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    That could be better, isn't the x supposed tobe 2100g?

    That will throw my weight calcs out an extra 300g that's nearly a pound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda View Post
    Actually my new Carbon X size S frame weighted with the RT3 is 2345gr without headset or bb. The alum X came out to be 2225gr with RP23.
    your weights are very close to mine. my (old) alum x was 2.22kg with RP23, with der.hanger, no seatpost collar. the carbon x with same rp23 was 2.32kg, with hanger, no seatpost collar. both in size small. the seatpost collar on the carbon x is about 40g too, which increases the excess even more. on the other hand, integrated headsets are usually a bit lighter, so the carbon x saves a little there.

    i believe that the rt3 is slightly lighter than the rp23, but haven't confirmed it. i'm waiting on a push'd rt3.

    On the ride differences (carbon vs alum), I've only ridden the carbon version once, and on a really rough rocky course, and i hadn't ridden that course in quite a while (not on the al X), so hard to compare. However, strangely, the first thing I noticed, was that the carbon x was way plush, getting more sag than the old bike - that's with the exact same shock swapped over from the other bike. Either I've put on some weight, or something is a little different on the leverage ratios between the bikes (but I doubt it, the pivot placement looks the same), but i ended up adding about 10psi. On the one ride I had on the carbon (a 50km enduro), i found the bike to be quieter, it seemed plusher, and the slight rear-steer i used to occasionally notice on the (light-rail) alum X was not noticed on the carbon x. i've gotta try it on some courses that i've ridden the alum x extensively, but i'm shock-less (sold the rp23 with the alum x frame) at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda View Post
    Have you guys actually compared the 2 frames while riding? The weight of the carbon and alum frames are the same so are there actually noticeable differences between the 2? How is the Monarch RT3 vs the RP23?

    Actually my new Carbon X size S frame weighted with the RT3 is 2345gr without headset or bb. The alum X came out to be 2225gr with RP23.
    IIRC the Monarch shock is a few grams lighter than the Fox.

    I have not weighed the frames.
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    Does PUSH ship brand new shocks overseas? They haven't answered my email which I sent last week. I'm thinking about selling the RP23 in the alum X and move the standard RT3 from the new X carbon to it.
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