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    wishlist for HH frames for 05???

    I have been doing a lot of thinking lately about what to do for the HH for 05
    a few things have come up and who better to ask than you guys...

    1) the rp3 is pretty much what everyone orders, guess I should just make that the stock shock and adjust price accordingly

    2) offering up pushed shocks for people, we are talking with Darren at Push to figure out the best way to do it, we may offer to have them pay for the service up front through us, then send it in either right away or after they have ridden it some and know what they want to change

    3) standard vs freeride lowers, the latter adds a few ounces but is even stiffer and allows for more tire clearance and bigger tires (I can run Blue Groove 2.35s on the freeride lower but not on the standard, Vertical Pros or NBX 2.35s will fit the standard lower for example)
    Part of me wants to just change the spec to the freeride lower but some people are very weight concious, we may just make the switch but give people the option to go standard, we have been doing that lately

    4) powdercoat colors, we can use the charcoal metallic grey, the white and blue pc that the motolites are coming in if we want, or, come up with some new colors
    thoughts?
    colors that you guys would like to see as standard?

    thanks in advance for your feedback

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    Butted down tube.

    I'd like to see a forest or british racing green. I'd be interested to see some dark green anondized frames too. I think I've only seen Ellsworth bikes do a green anondized frame. I don't think anybody would be interested in this besides me though but you asked for feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    3) standard vs freeride lowers, the latter adds a few ounces but is even stiffer and allows for more tire clearance and bigger tires (I can run Blue Groove 2.35s on the freeride lower but not on the standard, Vertical Pros or NBX 2.35s will fit the standard lower for example)
    Part of me wants to just change the spec to the freeride lower but some people are very weight concious, we may just make the switch but give people the option to go standard, we have been doing that lately
    This is the only complaint I have with the HH100x. If I had known that I would lose my weight weenie tendencies and embrace 2.3 tires, I'd have got this option when I bought mine. Sometime in the future I'll replace the chainstays.

    How about a seat tube brace for long legged riders? :-D

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    green ano eh?
    I had one of those in 01
    I like green, but it's one of those love/hate colors, and there are so many shades of green making it even harder

    butted dt?
    not likely to happen
    we could have gone with the new shaped dt like on the motolite but for now, have opted to stick with what has worked. It's also one of the differentiating details between it and the Racerx 100. The guys that own the HH like it and point it out as a good reason to go HH vs Racerx100. I sell both, so, it makes me no difference, we sell quite a number of Racerx100s..

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    Freeride lowers - Three years ago riders didnít go for big, fat tires like they do now (I didnít give it a second though when I ordered mine). Better to have the option from the beginning at the expense of a few ounces then to fork over the money later.

    Colors - You need an orange pc with metallic flake.

    Pushed Shocks? Seems like that's more overhead for you considering that PUSH has an efficient process in place already. Does this offer significant cost savings to the customer?

    A warning label - Something that reminds the customer that they are now hooked and can expect to spend gobs of money on bikes till the day they die, and no matter how much they spend, they will never be satisfied.

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    Can't go wrong with giving the customer extra tire clearance. When I use to run Ritchey 2.35 inch tires when they first came out everyone laughed at them. Now 2.3 and bigger tires are the norm. Even if they run smaller tires and they live in mud country it is a good idea to have extra clearance. Also if a wheel get tweeked it is less likely to rub.
    I also see that many riders stress between a medium and a large. Why not do a size right in between? Or perhaps offer a medium and a large with two different top tube lengths. It seems to me people of the same height often have different leg, torso and arm lengths.
    Good idea to ask for feedback, something a lot of people are not willing to do.

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    RP3 and Freeride lowers....

    as the standard HH package.....if you're ordering the HH over the 100RX you want a great handling trail bike.....not a racer.

    Hey Charles.......I have a Titus sticker on my new front triangle (and a Titus headbadge..I like the headbadge, you might want to give a HH owner that option) , but I'm missing the HH downtube decal. Can you send me one?

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    the rp3 and freeride lowers is what I am leaning towards as standard config.
    We can always swap out the lowers here at the shop if someone prefers the standard lowers. We do that stuff all the time..

    I can send you a dt decal
    we ship the Titus ht badge on the frames
    thanks

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    Cable Stops

    I would like to see the '05 Motolite style cable stops with hydro routing. I would guess the majority of new buyers are going to run discs and those that still want V-brakes could run full housing (beats trying to drill out the stops or using problem solvers for the hydros). Just my 2 cents.

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    cable stops like those will be used..
    when we build the bike we had been boring them out
    more recent frames have had a new style where the right most stop was open
    they have a new one like the motolite I like even better and we will go to something like that

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    I would rather have the Float R with full custom tuning and advanced piston design from Push than the adjustable ProPedal of the Float RP3. Both are much improved over the older Float shocks though.

    The FR chainstays would be very cool. The ability to run larger than 2.2 tires would be a big plus.

    Good call Larsey, disc only cable stops would be a very nice touch.

    And while I'm dreaming, a HH MotoLite would be insane. Titus built, HH geometry (in 4" mode), FR chainstays, 4"-5" travel and a Push suspension. **pinch** Okay, I'm back to reality now.

    Anyway, keep up the great work Charles.
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    homebrew

    I had a long chat with Darren last night
    he said the RP3 raised their bar and they had to go back and do the new design
    all good to me

    We are chatting about all of this stuff in detail with him and trying to come up with some way to make it work for him, me and the customer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew
    And while I'm dreaming, a HH MotoLite would be insane. Titus built, HH geometry (in 4" mode), FR chainstays, 4"-5" travel and a Push suspension. **pinch** Okay, I'm back to reality now.
    .
    I would really like to see the HH100X become more racey because of the number of sizes that are offered and it's what I want. It would be great if people who want a trail bike could get the HH150X instead of pushing the 100X into a four inch trail bike.

    From the HH site:

    http://www.hammerheadbikes.com/compa...nterbike04.htm

    Titus redoes the Switchblade to be a more burly trail bike.

    5.5 rear" of travel with either an air or coil shock, two different rockers to dial in the correct rate for either.
    New oversize and multishaped hydraformed downtube will stiffen the front triangle up considerably.
    They will still offer the Talas adjustable rear shock and rocker but I see most people going fixed 5.5 and a 5" fork (69' headangle)

    Speaking of which, we will be offering our own version of the bike called the Hammerhead 150X. Fixed 5.5 rear shock, air or coil and with the geometry adjusted for the new 6" travel single crown forks. We will have our own sizes and our bikes will have a 69' headangle with a 6" fork and a 73" seattube angle) These will be limitted production frames and will have different powder coat colors than the Titus models.

    Titus will be doing a lot of things this year to ramp up production and reduce lead times. One of the things they are doing that will help is going to more powdercoat colors: Red, Metallic Blue, Pearl White, Frosty Pink, Baby Blue and Metallic Gun Metal Grey

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    RP3 as standard shock and free ride lowers are good ideas. Otherwise, I would not change anything else on the frame - it's perfect!

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    Just chiming in here. I would agree that you should do the freeride lowers as standard equipment. From what I have seen, most people see the HH 100x as more of trail bike than the Titus RX and the freeride lowers fit in with this vision. It also allows you to seperate the HH from the RX a bit more. If you want a light 4" travel racebike, you get Racer-X. If you want a 4" trailbike that you aren't likely to brake, get the HH.
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    May be beyond the scope of what you are discussing here, but I would be more interested in a HH if you could rarchet rear travel up to a true 4'. Probably more of a mental thing, but you asked...
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    I'm always a lightning rod for controversy so here goes

    Why not up date the graphics on your bikes the ones that are on there are pretty tired.

    Why not offer your customers more options to choose from?

    Why not offer a limited edition with a special paint/anno. job (all black anno. with special graphics) or a special spectrum powdercoat paint job?

    Offer custom paint like 70s muscle cars of the oranges, yellows, purples etc...

    Why not offer bike builds of maybe an "endurance racing set up" or "epic ride set up" or what ever ya"ll do in Austin set up?

    Since your not so stuck in the weight weenie racer boy mold you have a lot of leeway to make the HH 100 anything the customer wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    I have been doing a lot of thinking lately about what to do for the HH for 05
    a few things have come up and who better to ask than you guys...
    -Open cablestops for hydraulic brakes (or full length outers for people with V's)
    -Seatpost slot on front side of seat tube
    -Different graphics, maybe leave Titus on down tube and put HH stickers on top tube

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    more options to choose from?
    I am all for that
    We do offer and have done a bunch of custom powderjobs from Spectrum Powderworks
    and have some samples on the site



    We handle the whole thing, no other fs company does that to my knowledge
    as far as build kits, we do whatever the customer wants
    I would feel silly offering build kits listed as "epic trail ride" "race" whatever...

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    Color: Whatever is fastest.

    Shock: All of our Tituses and Yetis are being ordered with the rp3. I'm considering slapping one on my 575. That said, I have the baase model fox on my rx-100 and that seems to work quite nicely.
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    if we do the titus powdercoat jobs that should speed things up
    I know that their anodizer can be a real time killer...

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    Love these Hammerhead graphics on the Spectrum painted bike. If you can get them onto a sticker that would be a nice improvement over the current design. Other than that i'm happy as a clam with the bike.
    it's a big sh*t sandwich and were all gonna have to take a bite

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    Ok after a nights sleep i think what would really set HH apart would be frame colors that Titus dosent offer something like a XTR grey anno. and for powder coating a Ferrari red or bright yellow, orange, icebox white and a metallic candy apple blue like the 85 IROC-Z's.

    as for graphics offer a few choices some folks hate stickers on their bikes others like the factory stickers and others like the nascar look. you could have no graphics or the "oldschool" graphics and then a couple of new ones so that when they order their bike they can really get that one of a kind look. You know how specialized has that reflective graphics on the S-works bikes that when your riding at night your light makes it shine same thing goes for the mavic crossmax wheel stickers.

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    a few comments regarding graphics and paint jobs
    I LOVE Spectrum's work, but it can add 150-several hundred to do that kind of work
    most people I don't think could justify the increased cost
    personnaly, I would love to see all the frames have beautiful pc jobs with the graphics and logo clear coated over, it's really pretty

    as for decals, part of it is trying to get artwork done
    part of it is increased cost, of having to have multiple decals made up
    we are trying to deliver the best possible product at the most reasonable cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by toe-knee
    Love these Hammerhead graphics on the Spectrum painted bike. If you can get them onto a sticker that would be a nice improvement over the current design
    i'll agree the simple graphics look real clean.

    the reason i suggest the new graphics and paint is that the current HH 100x looks just like a Racer X that you peeled the stickers off of and slapped a bumpersticker on the downtube.

    offering paint colors that titus dosen't will seperate you from titus along with some simple and clean graphics i doubt that the cost will be that much of an increase.

    is there no powder coater in austin that you can work with?

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    I will check into someone doing some new graphics
    if anyone is up for it, please shoot me your idea!

    I hear you on the different colors
    the real question is are people willing to pay say 200 extra to have it done?

    I am going to talk with their pcer about doing some stock colors, different than what Titus offers. I don't know if they can do the logo stuff yet, Spectrum used to do that as an airbrush job, that takes time which adds big bucks
    they now have a way to pring the decal out, apply and then clearcoat over it
    we have done a few that way, I love it, but it adds abut 200 or so

    as for pcers in Austin
    forget it, we tried, all of them...
    no one can match Spectrums work and some were just unbelievably bad....
    I mean, REALLY bad
    now, if you were redoing an old frame and wanted to spend a 100 or so, there's one decent one. But no one I would use. I tried, hard, to get someone I could work with.
    We had one frame redone about a 1/2 dozen times. and that was with the best of the locals I could find. Seems simple enough, but there just aren't any that I found acceptable.

    ok..
    so, it seems asthetics, color and graphics are the most sought after changes
    let's get a list of colors

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    so, it seems asthetics, color and graphics are the most sought after changes
    let's get a list of colors
    the polished frame is a pain in the butt to keep clean if i could get some one to powder coat mine the same platnium color as my SID fork i would do it today.



    how about the "bassboat" colors that the old schwinn homegrowns had? or a candy apple red and blue along with a really bright orange and yellow and maybe a muted down color like on the fox forks that seem so popular with HH 100x owners so every thing matches? anno colors fade unless you get black or silver so i woulden't get into to many anno colors

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    spectrum can do it
    go to their site
    spectrumpowderworks.com

    in fact, they developed rock shox colors (in the past, not sure about now)
    on our site
    http://www.hammerheadbikes.com/bikes/hammerhead/
    on the left is small sample of some customs we did as well as some of the stock ano colors..

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    cost and turn around ?

    can i get the same titus stickers still ?

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    about 150 for basic work, a few weeks turnaround
    they have the titus artwork on file, we had a motolite done that way
    dark blue with silver Titus logo, then clearcoated
    looks cool

    the latter adds a bit, but is SO damned good looking and no decals to worry about forever
    call and talk with Sheryl or Mark, tell her I sent you

    here are some examples



    the one we did just had the circle around "titus" very clean and classy

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    seems like everybody wants more color choices..

    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    I have been doing a lot of thinking lately about what to do for the HH for 05
    a few things have come up and who better to ask than you guys...

    1) the rp3 is pretty much what everyone orders, guess I should just make that the stock shock and adjust price accordingly

    2) offering up pushed shocks for people, we are talking with Darren at Push to figure out the best way to do it, we may offer to have them pay for the service up front through us, then send it in either right away or after they have ridden it some and know what they want to change

    3) standard vs freeride lowers, the latter adds a few ounces but is even stiffer and allows for more tire clearance and bigger tires (I can run Blue Groove 2.35s on the freeride lower but not on the standard, Vertical Pros or NBX 2.35s will fit the standard lower for example)
    Part of me wants to just change the spec to the freeride lower but some people are very weight concious, we may just make the switch but give people the option to go standard, we have been doing that lately

    4) powdercoat colors, we can use the charcoal metallic grey, the white and blue pc that the motolites are coming in if we want, or, come up with some new colors
    thoughts?
    colors that you guys would like to see as standard?

    thanks in advance for your feedback
    It was clear to me after looking at your website that spectrum could do just about ANY color you could possibly imagine. maybe people just aren't able to dream up the colors without seeing them first?? is there any site that demonstrates the possibilities? I've looked at spectrum' site and it only has a few examples...
    No other wishes, I think it safe to say you nailed it if color is the biggest wish from everyone.
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    some of the coolest colors are to be found on the small steel builder frames
    steelman has some of the best (done by Spectrum I might add)

    I LOVE this color
    http://www.steelmancycles.com/Toms.html
    http://www.steelmancycles.com/Ron%27s.html
    http://www.steelmancycles.com/Kevin%27s%20SR.html
    http://www.steelmancycles.com/Steve.html
    http://www.steelmancycles.com/Matt.html

    yeah, it's hard enough to come up with a really cool color for yourself, much less going into production with several and hoping people like it...

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    what I would do to the hammerhead

    I would buy one tomoorow if:
    the logos were a little tricker
    and you had a jeweler cast a headtube badge as a hemmerhead shark swimming that is fastened

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    Quote Originally Posted by str8nm
    I would buy one tomoorow if:
    the logos were a little tricker
    and you had a jeweler cast a headtube badge as a hemmerhead shark swimming that is fastened
    geez...

    you're missing out on a great frame for superficial reasons

    nevermind the unanimous glowing reviews about how it performs and holds up to abuse...

    Its proof that most people are suckers for good marketing.

    you could affix a logo of a steaming pile of $iht and I would still ride one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffro
    geez...

    you're missing out on a great frame for superficial reasons

    nevermind the unanimous glowing reviews about how it performs and holds up to abuse...

    Its proof that most people are suckers for good marketing.

    you could affix a logo of a steaming pile of $iht and I would still ride one.
    i think you missed the point...Charles asked what folks would like for 2005 for the HH 100x Aesthetics was the answer

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    Love my 100X, BTW

    Just took my rig out Sunday to catch the first sun in weeks in Annadel State Park. Heavenly. Read some but not all of the comments above- my only gripes:

    1. On a topline, custom bike, I don't want stickers. I'd like painted logos, laser etching, whatever. I feel like a puss for caring about appearance, but what the heck.

    2. Rear derailleur contact on Horst Link. I have one square of a Serfas grip shoe-goo'd onto the Horst Link to quiet it down. It works, but its not an optimal solution.

    3. Better hydraulic cable mounts. I've got the "problem solvers" installed on the top tube, but they swivel around and have sharp edges. Not looking forward to slicing my leg open on them one of these stacks.

    Climbing smoother, riding faster, catching more air than ever on my Hammerhead. Just rocked over the biggest fallen tree I've ever cleared. Thanks Charles for all your work. Good call on the Kenda Blue Grooves too- my favorite tire ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffro
    geez...

    you're missing out on a great frame for superficial reasons

    nevermind the unanimous glowing reviews about how it performs and holds up to abuse...

    Its proof that most people are suckers for good marketing.

    you could affix a logo of a steaming pile of $iht and I would still ride one.

    I own a Hammerhead and I agree with everything you said, but I would love to have the Hammerhead logo as a head badge... it is one of the coolest logos I have seen and it would be bada$$ as a head badge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-rider
    I own a Hammerhead and I agree with everything you said, but I would love to have the Hammerhead logo as a head badge... it is one of the coolest logos I have seen and it would be bada$$ as a head badge.
    Perhaps Charles will make a cool badge to retrofit the bike. it might be costly to make a special mold...

    nazi: i agree. improved aesthetics is always good but would never be a dealbreaker on this frame - for me at least.

    fro

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    Charles,

    GRAPHICS:
    I think the new Titus graphics are too far over the top. In fact when I order a MotoLite I want them removed and replaces with the older style Titus sticker. That big titus sticker on the downtube with fake Carbon and color is awful in my opinion. I LOVE Titus but that HUGE sticker is ridiculous. Just my 2 cents.

    I think you HAMMERHEAD sticker is cool. If I was you I'd hold to tradition of the brand you built and try not to get carried away with the flash and pizzaz. I'm a graphic artist and some of the best designs avoid all the Flashy colors, lights, and circus monkeys. Look at the Steelman logo, classy and cool just like yours. Fight the hype...let the bike and logo speak for itself.

    COLORS:
    I'd stick to basic colors also. Polished, Black, Red, Blue, White, maybe a Caution Yellow? Maybe do 2 anondized versions in Black and Blue. Anondizing is more and time consuming but it sure is SWEEET.

    Wouldn't it be cool to just have 6 colors? Keep it simple at your end. If someone wants Glow in the dark Purple then they can easily ship a polished version over to spectrum, or you could do it for a price. Maybe put a link to spectrum for cuctomers that need cuctom colors.

    SHOCKS:
    I also think you just let them choose a regular Float or an RP3. If they want it PUSHED later they can get that done. One neat option might be to stock a few PUSHED shocks for SPECIAL customers so you can ship a PUSHED version straight to the customer.

    NEW MODEL:
    And last, A lot of Racer-X owners are moving to the MotoLite, me included. Maybe a HammerHead edition of the moto? Maybe all your Motos are Anondized or something that sets it apart from the titus version? People like you a lot and given the choice of a Titus Moto or a HH Moto then folks might just do the HH even if they are exactly the same except for finishing.

    Charles, It's really re-freshing to see a company ask for opinions from customers. That's really cool.

    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark B
    SHOCKS:
    I also think you just let them choose a regular Float or an RP3. If they want it PUSHED later they can get that done. One neat option might be to stock a few PUSHED shocks for SPECIAL customers so you can ship a PUSHED version straight to the customer.

    NEW MODEL:
    And last, A lot of Racer-X owners are moving to the MotoLite, me included. Maybe a HammerHead edition of the moto? Maybe all your Motos are Anondized or something that sets it apart from the titus version? People like you a lot and given the choice of a Titus Moto or a HH Moto then folks might just do the HH even if they are exactly the same except for finishing.
    Mark
    I believe Push shocks are done per person. They valve specifically for rider weight, bike, terrain and riding style so there is no "stock" push per sae.

    I think if the HH100X was as racey as the RX100 I wouldn't have the hard decision I have right now. I want a racer 100mm travel bike that fits me well and it seems like a lot of people want the HH100X to be another four inch travel trail bike when there are already enough bikes out there. What abou a MORE racey four inch travel bike.

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    Braids,
    If you want the sligtly lighter Racex 100, get it!
    be glad to hook you up on one
    if the HH fits you better, don't let 90grams (about 1/2 the weight of an innertube to put it perspective) stop you.

    on another note:
    I pulled my 100RLT off the other day and put on a Fox 130 RLC with a 20mm spacer bringing it down to 110
    I REALLY like that setup for technical trail riding
    the fork is actually a tad stiffer and the slightly taller front end works really well in technical stuff, dropping in, lofting the front end over rocks, etc..
    no "flop" in the steering and still rails the tight stuff

    I think this will become a standard option in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    on another note:
    I pulled my 100RLT off the other day and put on a Fox 130 RLC with a 20mm spacer bringing it down to 110
    I REALLY like that setup for technical trail riding
    the fork is actually a tad stiffer and the slightly taller front end works really well in technical stuff, dropping in, lofting the front end over rocks, etc..
    no "flop" in the steering and still rails the tight stuff

    I think this will become a standard option in the future
    110mm is what I have my talas dialed to. I agree. It's perfect in technical stuff, yet still quick and nimble on the tight twisty trail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew
    And while I'm dreaming, a HH MotoLite would be insane. Titus built, HH geometry (in 4" mode), FR chainstays, 4"-5" travel and a Push suspension.
    as for the wish list.. I agree with homebrew.. You'd definitely sell me one of those, Charles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    Braids,
    If you want the sligtly lighter Racex 100, get it!
    be glad to hook you up on one
    if the HH fits you better, don't let 90grams (about 1/2 the weight of an innertube to put it perspective) stop you.

    on another note:
    I pulled my 100RLT off the other day and put on a Fox 130 RLC with a 20mm spacer bringing it down to 110
    I REALLY like that setup for technical trail riding
    the fork is actually a tad stiffer and the slightly taller front end works really well in technical stuff, dropping in, lofting the front end over rocks, etc..
    no "flop" in the steering and still rails the tight stuff

    I think this will become a standard option in the future
    Yeah my post was kind of annoying. Sorry about that.

    I'm "testing riding" a medium Racer X 80mm this weekend that the LBS has helped me out with. It's not the medium 100mm but I think it'll give me a sense of size. I'd prefer to go with Titus just to "rah, rah, rah, support the LBS and all that jazz" plus they quoted me a stupid price in CANADIAN that I don't even think you could match in US for a Titus/HH but I really am thinking the HH may be the best fit right now.

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    An HH Moto Lite with the boxed in FR chainstays, gusseted,/straight gauge downtube set up for 5 inches would definitely pique my interest as well.

    HH MOTO, HH MOTO, HH MOTO!

    Don't touch the 100x. It's perfect......





    Ok, Ok. If you want to add the hydro disc specific 'stops' and FR chainstays as options that would be cool..... Oh, and maybe offer a few more sizes.

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    you mean this?


    yeah, when the guy showed me that for the jerseys, I was blown away, my first thought was what a cool freakin headtube badge

    I made some inquiries about getting it done but had a hard time finding anyone..

    I would still love to see it done

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    I made some inquiries about getting it done but had a hard time finding anyone..

    I would still love to see it done
    Any jeweler/metalsmith should be able to do it for you. The funny thing is though, I just did a "jeweler + austin" search on google and almost everylink I tried came up with a 404 error so I guess it is hard to find someone after all.

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    Jen Green

    Hey Charles, if you are serious about the head badge idea, you might consider contacting Jen Green. She is a jeweler who also makes head badges (you can see some of her work here; you can also look at my avatar ). Certainly not cheap, but perhaps worth checking out nonetheless.
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    canti-bosses!

    just kidding...kinda....maybe consider it for the 2008 frames. by then, i should be ready, and have the money for a FS XC bike.

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    Charles,

    That logo for your jerseys is bad to the bone. Would look great on a HH100. What comes on the headtube of the current HHs? Although I would prefer the metal badge, maybe Spectrum could airbrush a replica.

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    I did talk with Jen, I am sure she does great work, but "ouch!"
    to be cost effective, you gotta get them done in Taiwan
    price per unit comes down a bunch when you buy 5000!

    we have talked with Spectrum about the logo
    it needs to be "flattened" make it one dimensional
    at some point in the future they will have a printer that can do it..

    I have a bunch of new powdercoat samples that came in and have been talking with Class Act pc (who Titus is using now)

    I have showed some guys at the shop some of the samples and getting feedback
    perhaps I should take a few pics and post

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    By all means, post those new powdercoat pics!

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    Add this to the wish list: I wish you punks would pick up the phone when I call or answer my emails when I send them. Nonexistent A$$ futher Muckers.
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    I know this thread is old and.....

    you've probably got some idea on where you're heading but I wanted to offer up my $.02

    I skimmed through most of the replies and it seems like the FR lowers, shock options (PUSH mods) and the paintschemes/headbadge are the big topics.

    I would definitely stress the FR lowers for next year simply because there are a lot of threads (and I'm sure that you get a ton of questions regarding this) asking what the difference is between the HH100X and the RacerX. I think that the FR lowers coupled with the straight guage downtube would make a clearer differentiation between the two. As a consumer, it would equate to: RacerX=Xcountry racer and HH100X=Epic ride trailbike. Besides, like you said, you sell a ton of racers anyways. I think this would help you to consult new customers and help them come to a decision regarding which to buy.

    I don't think you need to offer up more "standard" paint options....Titus has a ton already anyways (I'm assuming that Titus will offer up their colors for the HH). You can't possibly have a color for everyone....sheeeesh. You already offer solutions for custom paint jobs anyways. Adding a color here or there would not help everyone....

    Something I didn't see asked for was regarding the clearance between the adjustment knobs on forks (particularly FOX forx) and the downtube. I read a thread that said that Titus built up a custom frame for someone and extended the length of the head tube to better accomodate the forks. I run a 125 Vanilla now and I've grazed the downtube enough where it just eroded a bit of the paint off the knobs so now it's cool but if that is not a huge thing to do and won't affect geometry much, then I would ask to have that fixed. I don't know if other forks cause problems as I have only run FOX forx (both the Float and the Vanilla).

    The PUSH option seems interesting (I'm actually about to PUSH my AVA). I think it's a good idea (would give the sense that the HH is a total custom bike and again extend the gap between the Racer and the HH). But if you can't work out a deal with Darren, I don;t think it will affect customers decisions to buy unless you were trying to work out a better pricing plan...heheheh

    I guess that it's....my $.02.

    BTW: I like the new HH logo. Do you have stickers like that? For the head tube? I have the very first ones with the double H's. I DEFINITELY prefer the new logo.....totally wicked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddraewwg
    Something I didn't see asked for was regarding the clearance between the adjustment knobs on forks (particularly FOX forx) and the downtube. I read a thread that said that Titus built up a custom frame for someone and extended the length of the head tube to better accomodate the forks. I run a 125 Vanilla now and I've grazed the downtube enough where it just eroded a bit of the paint off the knobs so now it's cool but if that is not a huge thing to do and won't affect geometry much, then I would ask to have that fixed. I don't know if other forks cause problems as I have only run FOX forx (both the Float and the Vanilla).
    This is also a problem with the new RS Reba. I put a Reba U-Turn Team on my 23" Hammerhead, and the Floodgate knob hit the downtube gusset (enough that I was worried that it would cause damage to the fork in a crash). I ended up adding a second crown race to my King headset, as described in one of the Fox threads. That's a good idea, if the HH had an extra 2 or 3 mm on the bottom of the head tube it would gain the extra room for the fork with minimal effect on geometry.

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    thanks for the feedback

    We have been having phone problems the last few weeks and our main line went completely down yesterday... and my pc got nailed with a nasty virus after a Norton internet security update bombed leaving my pc unprotected..

    it's been lots of fun lately, I apologize..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    thanks for the feedback

    We have been having phone problems the last few weeks and our main line went completely down yesterday... and my pc got nailed with a nasty virus after a Norton internet security update bombed leaving my pc unprotected..

    it's been lots of fun lately, I apologize..
    A friend of mine who is a "computer guy" told me to get this:
    http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...spx?EDC=705820

    Ever since i have had zero problems, apparently it's popular among the "computer crowd" and does everything,, no more McAffee or Norton

    Just a thought
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    One more thing

    ohh, and it came with a $25.00 rebate inside---so i only spent around $17.00 on it--can't beat that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbykr
    A friend of mine who is a "computer guy" told me to get this:
    http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...spx?EDC=705820

    Ever since i have had zero problems, apparently it's popular among the "computer crowd" and does everything,, no more McAffee or Norton

    Just a thought
    YES!!!!!!!! That is the best stuff out right now. Its affordable, free tech support with real people, easy user interface and does not tax system resources like norton does.( your PC will not slow down) I bought the 2005 pc cillin internet security about 2 months ago and installed it on my pc that was jam packed with nasty viruses, the program cleaned my whole system and the two viruses that I could not fix I called tech support. Tech support was awesome. Charles, get it man! It really does what its supposed to.
    Oh,yeah every day about 5 times a day it will prompt you to update definitions and stuff, that means its constantly learning how to protect your pc from the latest threats. KILLER PRODUCT!!!!!
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    I'd say a couple of things:

    1. Please fix the downtube / fox fork problem by either changing the headtube or including the extra crown race with the smaller bikes. It's a major drag to spend that much on a frame and then have to mac-guyer a headset to keep the fork or frame from self-destructing.

    2. Apply some cable rub clear tape to the frame before they go out the door. I saw one guys hammerhead with a deep grove worn in the seat tube from the rear derailuer cable.

    3. a quick release seat post collar. I dislike spending a ton of cash on a frame and then getting reamed by the lbs for around $35 for a salsa clamp. Maybe even a convertable clamp where the weight weenies could remove the qr lever and substitute a bolt to save weight.

    4. even though I personally run mech disc brakes I could see having the frame come with hydro guides because they are more flexible and putting reducer ferruels in so you can run interupted housing is easier and cleaner than the problem solver bolt on guides.

    As most would agree the ride of the bike is superb and I don't think anything needs to be done at all cept for extra tire clearance from the FR lowers and the rp3 shock. I feel all of my suggestions above will make customers experience owning your frame better. New frame owners are so excited to get their rides built up that they often ride them before doing these above steps and wind up scratching the sh1t out of their frames from cable run in just a few rides of worse wreck before they fix the downtube problem. If you take care of these details for them it will make buying and building a hammerhead different than any other boutique bike out there. For an example of this type of thinking in action check out Turner's new chain stay protector.

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    I like the new Titus downtube decals. I know they are big and Gaudy but I like them more the the simple but clean Hammerhead downtube logo. FWIW, I liked the Red frame above with the shark over the logo but I don't want to pay a bunch for paint. My current fav paint color is the Titus metallic Blue powder. I also like the durability and light weight of ano finishes.

    I like your alternate sizing and taller bb. I'll fit your XL better than any stock Titus. Your frames have a great reputation for handling but the head angles seem the same as Titus now that they have the 100mm. Personaly I don't mind the limited tire clearance on my 01 Racer X. I don't see running anything bigger than the Nevegal 2.1 I'm happy with on the back but others want more clearance so it can't hurt as long as the chainstays don't have to grow.

    Hydro cable stops make sense as does a longer or lower headtube for more fork clearance. Personally I favor longer headtubes in general but that is a personal thing.

    I have two FS bikes and both have Pushed rear shocks. I think it's an important option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammerheadbikes
    more options to choose from?
    I am all for that
    We do offer and have done a bunch of custom powderjobs from Spectrum Powderworks
    and have some samples on the site
    [IMGhttp://www.spectrumpowderworks.com/images/bikes/Powdercoat/bp0307.jpg[/IMG]
    [IMGhttp://www.spectrumpowderworks.com/images/bikes/Powdercoat/bp0306.jpg[/IMG]

    We handle the whole thing, no other fs company does that to my knowledge
    as far as build kits, we do whatever the customer wants
    I would feel silly offering build kits listed as "epic trail ride" "race" whatever...
    I'd just like to add that I've had bikes custom powder coated by Spectrum and the quality of their work is simply outstanding. Its expensive, it takes time but it makes the average powder coated or painted frame look like a rattle can job. The finish is beautiful and looks almost like glass and is more durable than anything I've seen. Highly recommended!

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    I think it was mentioned on this thread already, but a true 4" of travel would be nice to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andyman_1970
    I think it was mentioned on this thread already, but a true 4" of travel would be nice to see.
    If you look at the frame design you'll see it's not really possible without making the chainstays longer or the seattube angle steeper, both of which would be negative changes on this bike. You're not really missing that 2.5mm of travel are you?

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    Yo Charles, how's the riding in Austin...hot enough for you yet...

    How about: (including any other upgrades for 06)
    "Hammerjob" (or some other interesting marketing name, "Tater Special" or "Spode Rocket") package that gets a Ti bolt kit, and Pushed shock (maybe Pushed or ID Fox as well), maybe some other upgrades. Sell it as a package upgrade, and offer it to old frame owners as well.

    Maybe it also gets a custom metal head badge or something....I'd say offer it in custom colors but that kinda defeats the philosophy of custom bikes, and would be a logistical pain.

    You can always sell parts separately, but lots of people are willing to pay extra $$$ for exclucivity. Plus it could be a package that you have tested and given your stamp of approval so that it takes some of the guesswork out of customizing a frame for most buyers.

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