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    mine Brant? frame # starts KC7 ..
    no offence but "we have not found" can mean several things.

    how's the arse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    yeah, again? what should I do, wait 6 weeks for next batch? ask to return now? ffs.
    i specifically asked on-one (not Brant, because i was talking with cust service) if the ones they had in were correct, was told yes. a misunderstanding or did they think that i wouldn't check it?
    otoh, about 8-10mm higher might be alright..
    so.. 3rd time lucky?
    If you give me a sales order number, I can investigate where that frame came from.
    But I'm getting rather confused with everything.

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    confused here also, think i'm keeping it thanks but if you want to know order ref SO0257690 10-Jan-2013. that's when Neil reserved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    confused here also, think i'm keeping it thanks but if you want to know order ref SO0257690 10-Jan-2013. that's when Neil reserved it.
    Whilst I'm all for discussing problems here, I think this would go better by email and via our warranty team. If you have an issue, please raise it with them.

    I will do a bit of digging now, as I'm intrigued. But I'm also hungry and have not had enough lunch today so may forget. Hence the "proper channels" line...

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    ok well you have my email and i'd appreciate your thoughts on the difference i found. also, you know first you offered to airfreight me a replacement and things didn't go too great when i used the proper channels.. everyone i've spoken to at on-one was helpful but it wasn't smooth (maybe due to courier) and there's still a problem. but thanks for coming back to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    ok well you have my email and i'd appreciate your thoughts on the difference i found. also, you know first you offered to airfreight me a replacement and things didn't go too great when i used the proper channels.. everyone i've spoken to at on-one was helpful but it wasn't smooth (maybe due to courier) and there's still a problem. but thanks for coming back to us.
    please discuss this directly with our warranty team. I have lots of emails for lots of people and it's really best to do this through the proper route.

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    :/ please do talk to rest of team at on-one Brant. when i first spoke to Neil he didn't seem to be aware of the issue at all. struck me as odd. this was earlier this month.

    i'm posting this publicly because it's relevant to other buyers. i don't like causing trouble for on-one, i really don't.

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    I tried to go through the email route, but still getting reply that they are waiting on the American side.
    What's up with American support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer.2 View Post
    I tried to go through the email route, but still getting reply that they are waiting on the American side.
    What's up with American support?
    Where did you buy your frame from?
    What is your sales order number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Where did you buy your frame from?
    What is your sales order number?
    I ordered from on-one UK web site, My SO is SO0203195

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer.2 View Post
    I ordered from on-one UK web site, My SO is SO0203195
    Thanks for feedback. I will discuss in morning with staff who work normal hours and not in the bath.

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    Sounds like I shouldn't "F" with it and dump what I've got on the 'bay? Seems like a bit of a run around to end up with the same frame again.

    I was told to get ahold of team "A". Team "A" said I need to talk to team "B" first. Team "B" said team "A" would handle any returns and directed me to call team "A", Team "A" has no idea about any returns due to frames being out of spec. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

    Fudge it, I'm out for a ride on the stumpy. Doubt I ever buy another Titus again and am sad my last experience with them has been so shitty. Thanks goodness the brown V1 lasted so long (two years)
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    Maybe the Craigstr can help out here, since I'm not the only disgruntled Titus owner in the Universe any more, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Thanks for feedback. I will discuss in morning with staff who work normal hours and not in the bath.
    Hey Brant. I want you to know that I appreciate the help you are giving the EG community on this issue.

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    Just got the new frame. I'll try to measure the bb drop/rise this afternoon.
    I hope it will be OK. I don't want to go through all this again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    there's something in that bag like a small tube i dunno what it is
    Smiff, this small tube is to route the front dirailleur cable on the seat tube. You put in place and then put the cable inside it.
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    Is that all you have to contribute?

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Maybe the Craigstr can help out here, since I'm not the only disgruntled Titus owner in the Universe any more, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    Smiff, this small tube is to route the front dirailleur cable on the seat tube. You put in place and then put the cable inside it.

    i must be missing something, not sure what that achieves over using a normal outer end cap?

    **

    for anyone following this thread and wondering in simple terms what this means for your bb height.

    spec bb height (Lyric or 545mm a2c fork, typical 26" trail tyres like nevegal 2.1, lower headset cup around 10mm height): 13.3"

    if you get a frame like my first one (-17mm): 12.6"
    .... and you use a Revelation 150mm (-22mm): 12.4"

    if you get frame like my 2nd one (-8mm): 13"
    .... and you use a Revelation 150mm (-12mm): 12.8"

    YMMV, some rounding errors, should be roughly right?
    I was rocking a 12.4" bb unloaded, no wonder i was getting the fears of strikes. actually i started with flush hope headset so that was more like 12.25".

    If anyone wants an estimate of what your bb height will be post your fork and tyres here, i've got pretty used to doing the math now, but you must first measure your bb drop using string method a page or two back.
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    Right,

    Bit the bullet and bought a Hope headset with external cups lower and internal upper. My mate came round and helped me build it up and with a 170mm Marzocchi Rc3 ti my string test goes right through the middle of the bb, dead centre. That was done with a set of 2.2 rubber queen black chillis and I am going to say I am more than happy with that. I was expecting the bb to be a touch higher with the 170's but alas, for me, it's the end of the matter.

    Sorry to anyone who doesn't have the same experience,

    P.S, if anyone knows anyway of compressing pictures on an IPad then I will add some of the finished Trans Provence bike.......

    All the best,

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    nice, btw do you know the a2c on your Marz rc3?

    edit: is this your fork?
    Tenneco Marzocchi Suspension - 2010 Extreme Freeride/Downhill forks - 66 RC3 Titanium


    568mm. that's huge, 23mm longer than a Lyric?

    for reference:
    Rev 529mm
    Lyric 545mm
    Marz RC3 568mm


    so your frame probably is low if that gives you 0 drop, but you don't care

    edit 2:
    using simple 1/3 ratio of fork length to bb change 23/3 your frame is almost identical to my new one i think, around 8mm too low.



    If anyone around here has better than high school maths they can tell us what angle headsets would do with +/- a degree or 2, someone would probably like to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    nice, btw do you know the a2c on your Marz rc3?


    If anyone around here has better than high school maths they can tell us what angle headsets would do with +/- a degree or 2, someone would probably like to know.
    I am guessing he is running Marz 55 RC3 170mm @ 555mm a2c.

    I have another bike that has a FSA angleset. I have it set at -1.5 deg. It lowered bbh by about 0.25" to 0.33" when compared to 0 deg setting.
    sth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    edit: is this your fork?
    Tenneco Marzocchi Suspension - 2010 Extreme Freeride/Downhill forks - 66 RC3 Titanium


    568mm. that's huge, 23mm longer than a Lyric?
    That one is 180mm, and with a tall crown. He has 170mm one.

    I was looking at it - but 200g heavier than Lyrik Coil DH.. and air preload. Went for Lyrik...

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    ah right 555mm, lyrik+10mm, his frame is only about 3mm low then. in margin of error. lucky Lee.

    yeah i may have to get a bigger fork some day but don't do the riding to justify it. be good if someone made a really tall headset cup to get the feel, any that fit the Guapo?

    be funny if it turned out after all this i had a dodgy bent fork or something.


    anyways it's pissing with rain, i want to build my guapo and see how it goes, should i tell on-one i suspect it's wrong (in case it turns out worse than expected) or just get on with it. sitting on the table all shiny and naked is driving me nutz, as you can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    be good if someone made a really tall headset cup to get the feel, any that fit the Guapo?
    Chris King sells +5mm tall baseplates, if you have a 1-1/8 steerer with a Devolution headset. That would give you ~20mm lower stack. Not a solution, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    I was hoping you would lead some more cheers, since you are the self proclaimed Titus cheerleader. You know; ra-ra for your brand. I guess you only represent when things are going good, despite your lack of influence as to what really happens with the bussiness. It must suck to be so totally wrapped up in your brand, that it runs you emotional well being.
    Good thing you still have the stability of Knolly to hold you together.
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    Whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I was hoping you would lead some more cheers, since you are the self proclaimed Titus cheerleader. You know; ra-ra for your brand. I guess you only represent when things are going good, despite your lack of influence as to what really happens with the bussiness. It must suck to be so totally wrapped up in your brand, that it runs you emotional well being.
    Good thing you still have the stability of Knolly to hold you together.
    You must go home and kick your dog every night with all your built up anger and aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    You must go home and kick your dog every night with all your built up anger and aggression.
    i don't think so. he's 100% right. you are the type of guy that wishes he was in the industry and you're holding on to your brand ambassador tag by your fingernails and cheerleading no matter what the problems are. titus has an issue with the el guapo and has for a bit. you shouted down renegade when he originally brought up the headset reaming issue and tried then to paint him as angry and disgruntled and he was, but with a completely valid reason.

    now his complaints about the qc at titus have been proven true. in their defence, titus has put into place better tests and standards. hopefully it all works out, but real customers have been out ride time and had to deal with a hassle.

    this is a consumer site to hear the good and bad. and people need to realize that what they hear from you is mostly vanilla crap. you are hardly impartial and havent been ever since you grabbed your brand ambassador tag. it's good that people can see that now. they can hopefully take what you say with a grain of salt.

    i hope this all works out for titus and their customers. we need small brands that offer a good value. we also need brands to stand behind their products and keep their consumers happy. hopefully titus ends up being one of those brands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    i must be missing something, not sure what that achieves over using a normal outer end cap?

    **

    for anyone following this thread and wondering in simple terms what this means for your bb height.

    spec bb height (Lyric or 545mm a2c fork, typical 26" trail tyres like nevegal 2.1, lower headset cup around 10mm height): 13.3"

    if you get a frame like my first one (-17mm): 12.6"
    .... and you use a Revelation 150mm (-22mm): 12.4"

    if you get frame like my 2nd one (-8mm): 13"
    .... and you use a Revelation 150mm (-12mm): 12.8"

    YMMV, some rounding errors, should be roughly right?
    I was rocking a 12.4" bb unloaded, no wonder i was getting the fears of strikes. actually i started with flush hope headset so that was more like 12.25".

    If anyone wants an estimate of what your bb height will be post your fork and tyres here, i've got pretty used to doing the math now, but you must first measure your bb drop using string method a page or two back.
    Don't now either what you gain with this. But it's an extra if you don't have an outer cap. Nice addition was also the c-clips. I hope they hold in the trail. I will have some tire-ups with me to be safe!

    **

    Smiff, tell me what to expect with marz 170mm (556mm a2c) and -1 slackset? (I think Brant said that the a2c he used is 540mm with 15mm headset cap. Post #137).
    -1 will lower the bb about 1/2inch (12.7mm) I think. Or not?
    I will measure this afternoon but I want to be prepared! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    you are the type of guy that wishes he was in the industry and you're holding on to your brand ambassador tag by your fingernails and cheerleading no matter what the problems are. titus has an issue with the el guapo and has for a bit.

    now his complaints about the qc at titus have been proven true. in their defence, titus has put into place better tests and standards. hopefully it all works out, but real customers have been out ride time and had to deal with a hassle.

    this is a consumer site to hear the good and bad. and people need to realize that what they hear from you is mostly vanilla crap. you are hardly impartial and havent been ever since you grabbed your brand ambassador tag. it's good that people can see that now. they can hopefully take what you say with a grain of salt.
    Thanks for all the kind words Qbert, I was waiting for you to give your .02. It must feel good to talk down to other people and be able to hide behind your computer screen.

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    Sorry Smiff I should have been more specific, my
    Fork is the Marzocchi 55 RC3ti 170mm and is a 2012 model. I believe they used to be 160mm up until last year.
    To give you a visual reference Ed Oxley has the same fork as me in his videos if that's any help.

    All the best,
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    god you're pathetic craig. you run around the forums looking for a pat on the back. bag lick in the knolly forum while baglicking in the titus forum too. you're off knolly now but you still like to keep a safe haven there.

    you shoot down anyone complaining about titus. you're not impartial, we get that, you don't seem to though. renegade was right all alomg with his complaints. anyone can see that now despite your best attempts to paint him as a just a jaded bitter poster. you're the ultimate fanboi, congratulations.

    lol, i love how people like you who post their life stories on the internet looking for validation and pats on the back, complain that the other 99% who are anonymous are somehow cowards. i'm not here with a sig that i'm a brand ambassador or a suspension test rider posting up my results like you craig. i don't need anonymous people to love me like you do. it's kind of sad that you do seem to need that.

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    You and Renegade have managed once again to take this thread off topic with unprovoked attacks on me. I have my two signatures with my affiliations as required by mtbr so people know I have ties to those companies. I love that I get under your skin so badly that you have to outlash at me like in your last post. If I irritate you so much, dont read my posts. Its obvious that you have problems Qbert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    You and Renegade have managed once again to take this thread off topic with unprovoked attacks on me. I have my two signatures with my affiliations as required by mtbr so people know I have ties to those companies. I love that I get under your skin so badly that you have to outlash at me like in your last post. If I irritate you so much, dont read my posts. Its obvious that you have problems Qbert.
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    Hahahahahahahaha. Oh your fragile little ego craigstr. Lol. Only one person here has their Titus panties in on knot. Can you guess who that is???

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    the forum just went blue. blue is a calming colour right guys.

    SingleTrackHound seems to think -1 degree HA gives you about -1/4" at the bb.
    so i was hoping someone with maths (trig?) can do this, but 1/2" sounds too much.

    i'm thinking about an angleset in reverse to raise mine, remember old EG was 1deg steeper. for now i'll use my old HS and see how it goes. at least it's close enough to be worth fiddling, old frame was a lost cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    Hahahahahahahaha. Oh your fragile little ego craigstr. Lol. Only one person here has their Titus panties in on knot. Can you guess who that is???
    Dude. Seriously? Nothing better to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    the forum just went blue. blue is a calming colour right guys.

    SingleTrackHound seems to think -1 degree HA gives you about -1/4" at the bb.
    so i was hoping someone with maths (trig?) can do this, but 1/2" sounds too much.

    i'm thinking about an angleset in reverse to raise mine, remember old EG was 1deg steeper. for now i'll use my old HS and see how it goes. at least it's close enough to be worth fiddling, old frame was a lost cause.

    what about some offset shock hardware to raise the bb. burgtec makes some.

    Burgtec Titanium Offset Shock Hardware | Burgtec

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    Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    the forum just went blue. blue is a calming colour right guys.

    SingleTrackHound seems to think -1 degree HA gives you about -1/4" at the bb.
    so i was hoping someone with maths (trig?) can do this, but 1/2" sounds too much.

    i'm thinking about an angleset in reverse to raise mine, remember old EG was 1deg steeper. for now i'll use my old HS and see how it goes. at least it's close enough to be worth fiddling, old frame was a lost cause.
    I measured it this evening. I got about 6-7mm drop. 5-6mm less than with the old frame...
    Was it worth it? Is it ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    I measured it this evening. I got about 6-7mm drop. 5-6mm less than with the old frame...
    Was it worth it? Is it ok?
    only you can answer that. it's still not in spec. the question is, what can you live with?

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    Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?

    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    only you can answer that. it's still not in spec. the question is, what can you live with?
    Is it? I have a -1 degree slackset. I don't know how much it lowers the bb. Anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    Is it? I have a -1 degree slackset. I don't know how much it lowers the bb. Anyone?
    sorry, wasn't thinking about that slackset.

    maybe this calc would tell you

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    Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?

    Thanks man. I'll try that. I'll have to collect all the data first. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    what about some offset shock hardware to raise the bb. burgtec makes some.

    Burgtec Titanium Offset Shock Hardware | Burgtec

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    Funnily enough i have one left over from the last bike. it would be a good fix, IF those offset bushes don't rotate when used in reverse like that. Has anyone tried? you're relying on the clamp pressure to go against the action of the shock.. sounds likely to swivel round and leave you with the opposite effect to what you want!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    Funnily enough i have one left over from the last bike. it would be a good fix, IF those offset bushes don't rotate when used in reverse like that. Has anyone tried? you're relying on the clamp pressure to go against the action of the shock.. sounds likely to swivel round and leave you with the opposite effect to what you want!
    only one way to find out

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    thought of that while typing, it's not a high priority.. if it fits might try later!

    so far we've got 3 people with recent replacements or new frames then?

    Lee: about -3mm low
    george: about -6mm low
    me: about -8mm low

    all give or take a couple of mills.

    not sure what to make of this, maybe a normal amount of variation. better than before.

    Brant - we should accept this? Do you think next batch will be more consistent? should we be checking if frames are bent any other way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    the forum just went blue. blue is a calming colour right guys.

    SingleTrackHound seems to think -1 degree HA gives you about -1/4" at the bb.
    Smiff, not -1.0; -1.5 deg. It lowered bbh ~0.25"
    sth

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    I think I've followed this thread correctly but there are some low BB frames that are incorrect?

    I've just had first ride on Small EG...and it wasn't great. "just" pedaling along flat slightly rocky hitting pedals all the time. I have 2.5" RQ tyres and a Marzocchi 44. the shock mount is in the upper hole.

    Is this a bad frame ? looks like 20mm ish below the string....


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    probably, but we need to know a2c (length axle to crown) of your fork. website says anything from 490 to 550 mm ish.

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    Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?

    I've recalculated mine and I think it's on the spot...
    I wasn't counting that the slackset has 2mm offset rather than 15mm that the external cup has. So I am about 2mm shorter than the lyric minus the slackset.
    So 6-7mm drop I guess it's fine.
    I might change the slackset and replace it with a smoothie with external cup if I still have problems with pedal strikes.
    So I'm good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    probably, but we need to know a2c (length axle to crown) of your fork. website says anything from 490 to 550 mm ish.
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    right, it we take your fork as 8mm shorter than a Revelation, your frame is roughly 13mm lower than spec i think.
    either way, running that much drop is going to be difficult for a lot of riders. it's similar to my first frame. i would return that.

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    Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    right, it we take your fork as 8mm shorter than a Revelation, your frame is roughly 13mm lower than spec i think.
    either way, running that much drop is going to be difficult for a lot of riders. it's similar to my first frame. i would return that.
    Revelation is 545mm (or 540?) so he's not just only 8mm lower than the rev.... Plus the external cup.
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    nah Lyrik160 is 545. rev150 is 529.
    i should base all on Lyrik since thats the EG stock fork, i'm just more used to the Rev. so his frame is worse than 8mm out, i think 13-14mm. not sure what Brant said was "too low" (did he ever give a number?) but i wouldn't accept anything over 10mm. my new one is marginal. using a shorter fork add to the problem sure, but isn't an excuse.

    hmm now i read that, why is a 10mm more travel RS fork 16mm longer, because it's for DH, taller crown or something? i can't get a very big front tyre in my rev, which is another bummer. my old Pike Uturn 90-140mm can take huge front tyres..
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    Does anyone knows if the ISCG tab offset has been corrected and the new february batch frames will be fine about that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingleman View Post
    Does anyone knows if the ISCG tab offset has been corrected and the new february batch frames will be fine about that too?
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    ISCG offset is not revised on EG26.

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    just measured my frame after building up, i get a bb height of 12.75" with a big Advantage 2.25 rear. i'd calculated 12.8" so that's close, slightly lower than i expected still.. should be something i can deal with 170 cranks and thin pedals.
    this should all be with rear shock hole right?

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    Uhhh, my V2 with external lower headset cup and Lyrik 160mm is 13.5 inches, 13.25 with zero stack lower headset cup, which is all below spec for a V2 anyway. Regardless of your fork choice , I think your bike is too low to pedal in the rocks, even with 170 cranks and thin pedals, which I have too. I think Brant owes you a new frame.
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    well Brant himself doesn't owe me anything
    you are right though. i'm not sure yet, came to post something else!

    Only had 2 rides on replacement frame so far. noticed something interesting today: I can ride no-handed on this one, couldn't before.

    few possibilities:

    1) it's all in my head.
    2) HA is slightly different and that's enough to notice.
    3) old frame was off laterally.

    old one always felt like it was flopping to the side (either side), this doesn't. all other parts are same: bar, stem, fork, wheels etc. dunno, it could just be me, thought it was worth mentioning though.

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    Lower BB would in previous would also have a symptom of having a slacker head angle. So the steeper head angle would react better to hands free especially at low speed.

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    What bb drop should i get using a float 34 160 with an a-c of 539mm and 15mm lower headset cup, if my frame has correct geometry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan.greening87 View Post
    What bb drop should i get using a float 34 160 with an a-c of 539mm and 15mm lower headset cup, if my frame has correct geometry?
    only around 2-3 mm i'd have thought? someone check this i'm pretty tired..

    yeah i think this is right, your fork is 6mm shorter than lyrik so around 1/3 of that in bb drop difference.

    use the string method. if you have more than (this is my opinion) 9mm drop send it back.
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    I am on an EG with a Vengeance 170mm , 2.25 Nobby Nics front and 2.1 Rocket Ron rear. what should i expect from my BB height with these setup?

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    With the longer fork I would guess you would have only a few mm BB drop. Although you didnt mention if your EG was a V3 and if you had an external cup headset.

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    best to ask about bb drop, not height. explained a while back.
    with a 170mm fork you should probably get over 13.3" height? but it depends..

    bb height variables (bike must be level side-to-side and on level ground, measure vertical from centre of crank axle to ground)
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    the frame geometry
    rear shock extension and pivot hole
    headset lower cup height
    headset angle (assuming not an angleset)
    fork a2c (assuming max. fork extension).
    front tyre max tread height
    rear tyre max tread height


    bb drop variables: (put string axle centre to axle centre, measure string to crank axle centre).
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    the frame geometry
    rear shock extension and pivot hole
    headset lower cup height
    headset angle (assuming not an angleset)
    fork a2c (assuming max. fork extension).


    anything else i've missed?
    things that don't matter: headset top cup, wheel size (tyre size takes care of this).

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    With the longer fork I would guess you would have only a few mm BB drop. Although you didnt mention if your EG was a V3 and if you had an external cup headset.
    Mine is a V3, got the frame about mid 2012. With the deeper reamed top head tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpies14 View Post
    Mine is a V3, got the frame about mid 2012. With the deeper reamed top head tube.
    Question to ask is how often your striking the pedal badly.
    .. save for the chunky rock section of Kiara DH line in your hood or similar -- general trail riding shouldn't be an issue imo.

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    i had something odd happen on Friday. hopping off a kerb, gut my toe stuck between pedal and road. slid shoe along and ok, but that could have been a broken ankle. I must learn to drop heels before landing...

    so, yeah. it's not just rock strikes. i also need to firm up my fork..

    hopefully this gave someone a laugh
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    starting to like this bike quite a bit more (replacement frame with about 8mm bb drop).

    here's what i've done this week:

    1) move shock to progressive/forward hole. seems to help keep it supple in small stuff and also stops it going so deep so easily. this is still with the Monarch RT3 and my riding "should" suit the the back one, but whatever.
    2) change back tyre to a Smorgasboard 2.25 with soft edges. liking this much more than expected, it's big and grippy and works in mud much better than Advantage i used to use.
    3) few more psi in both tyres
    4) increased fork (Rev 150mm) +ve pressure from 90psi to about 110psi (top of the recommended for my weight). helps ride higher and something to push against in corners.
    5) shortened the chain. this is interesting, all kit is off old frame so kind of suggests the chainstays are shorter on replacement frame (?!). dunno never measured them sorry :/ but chain was wrapping onto itself on the mech i.e. mech running out of capacity which didn't happen before..

    still getting pedal strikes, but usually i know why now and can expect them, so it's not "why the f**k did that happen" very often.

    on downside.. bike is kind of too good, lets me bash through anything here with little technique !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    starting to like this bike quite a bit more (replacement frame with about 8mm bb drop).

    here's what i've done this week:

    1) move shock to progressive/forward hole. seems to help keep it supple in small stuff and also stops it going so deep so easily. this is still with the Monarch RT3 and my riding "should" suit the the back one, but whatever.
    2) change back tyre to a Smorgasboard 2.25 with soft edges. liking this much more than expected, it's big and grippy and works in mud much better than Advantage i used to use.
    3) few more psi in both tyres
    4) increased fork (Rev 150mm) +ve pressure from 90psi to about 110psi (top of the recommended for my weight). helps ride higher and something to push against in corners.
    5) shortened the chain. this is interesting, all kit is off old frame so kind of suggests the chainstays are shorter on replacement frame (?!). dunno never measured them sorry :/ but chain was wrapping onto itself on the mech i.e. mech running out of capacity which didn't happen before..

    still getting pedal strikes, but usually i know why now and can expect them, so it's not "why the f**k did that happen" very often.

    on downside.. bike is kind of too good, lets me bash through anything here with little technique !
    I am glad you finally starting to enjoy the bike with one way or another!
    I order a smoothie mixer headset last week in order to check it over the slackset. I will measure before and after BB height cause I am really curious.

    For now I am too enjoying the Guapo!!!

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    yeah the bike takes to the air really well, doesn't feel like it's going to throw me forward like most others i've ridden. though i'm going to have a nasty accident one of these days by being overconfident and going too fast.

    also running a bigger back tyre than front now looks odd, but again whatever it seems to work!

    long term, i might look at a bigger fork but not for now, and the Rev is nice and light for all the climbing i do.. head angle feels about right now, i think my first one was too slack as brant said, this is ok (with 50mm stem).

    So yeah.. don't forget the basics like tyre pressure and shock pressure!

    Those cable clips aren't working, lost 2 today, back to zip ties..
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    Hey Smiff,

    What do you recon the HA is with the rev. I'm planning on running a sektor in the EG.
    My guess is 67.5 ?

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    i don't know the a2c on a sektor. but new frame should be pretty much on spec i'd think. i've never managed to get an accurate enough reading of HA, mobile phone apps are not the best

    i do it more by feel.

    not a great answer sorry! i think i'm about done here, got computer and work problems..

    i'll just say if you don't like yours send it back, it's not just pedal strikes and a low bb. my new one, if not 100% right, feels a hell of a lot better and i haven't become a much better rider in a few months
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    thanks Smiff.

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    Hi
    Need a little help. I have an El Gapo that I got last November it is set up with
    Bos Deville 160 forks a-c 545mm,
    Hope headset 15mm stack I think,
    I have changed my cranks to a 170mm but still seem to get peddle strikes.
    Tried the string method and wonders what you guys think
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuelf View Post
    I have changed my cranks to a 170mm but still seem to get peddle strikes.
    Tried the string method and wonders what you guys think
    I would have replaced it. No idea how folks ride with BB that low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I would have replaced it. No idea how folks ride with BB that low.
    I agree, the string shows it to be way to low. Sorry for what you have to go through to get it taken care of. You'd think that Titus would have rounded up all the bad frames by now, BEFORE they were passed on to unwary consumers.
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    i just did the string test and this is what i got. now i'm really curious.




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    those are some seriously thin pedals.
    but yeah, if fork is around 545mm a2c, that's low.
    try to take picture looking straight down crank axle, ideally with a tape measure between string and bike..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    those are some seriously thin pedals.
    but yeah, if fork is around 545mm a2c, that's low.
    try to take picture looking straight down crank axle, ideally with a tape measure between string and bike..
    Ah... ok. According to this, my fox float 36 rc2 a2c length is 545.3 (mine is lowered to 160mm).

    I took a measurement before about a month back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenny78 View Post
    now i'm really curious.
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    what exactly is it you're really curious about?



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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
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    If it's actually a real problem. Anyway i have sort it out with the on-one guys, seems like
    it is up for a replacement. Very prompt response from them about this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I agree, the string shows it to be way to low. Sorry for what you have to go through to get it taken care of. You'd think that Titus would have rounded up all the bad frames by now, BEFORE they were passed on to unwary consumers.
    I am definitely wondering if this came after the new QC... had one of the best 20 mile rides ever yesterday, EG completely dialed.. hope this gets back on track

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    Titus El Guapo Frame with Rockshox Monarch RT3 Shock

    afaik no one has a new QC frame yet, since they aren't out the container yet?
    so anyone with a correct geo v3 is
    1) lucky or 2) had one hand picked or something or 3) hasn't used a measure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I agree, the string shows it to be way to low. Sorry for what you have to go through to get it taken care of. You'd think that Titus would have rounded up all the bad frames by now, BEFORE they were passed on to unwary consumers.
    Thanks I have already sent these pictures to on one a week ago but they have not got back to me.
    Bit annoyed that they have not even acknowledged my email I will have to call them tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I would have replaced it. No idea how folks ride with BB that low.
    I cant ride with bb this low unless its down hill with no pedaling.

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    my size large delivered just before xmas comes in on axle centre (+/- 1-2mm). Using the good ole tape measure i get 335mm (13.2") running fox 36 float with smoothie headset and maxxis minion 2.35s. So i guess they are not all bad (or i was just lucky). I think Brant said anything over 1/4 inch out of spec (6mm or so) would be deemed questionable and as such out of tolerance.

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    I need to check mine...i've ruined the clips on my Time pedals from running them into the ground/obstacles (something I never had a problem with on my old Banshee Spitfire). Time to bust out the measuring tape and string.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I need to check mine...i've ruined the clips on my Time pedals from running them into the ground/obstacles (something I never had a problem with on my old Banshee Spitfire). Time to bust out the measuring tape and string.
    why bother w/ the string?? just measure the BB height. that string business is just a ruse from Brant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I need to check mine...i've ruined the clips on my Time pedals from running them into the ground/obstacles (something I never had a problem with on my old Banshee Spitfire). Time to bust out the measuring tape and string.
    that's weird, it's not like the spitfire doesn't have a low bb. must ride firmer pedalling than the el guapo which makes sense as it is a mini link with some pedal feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
    why bother w/ the string?? just measure the BB height. that string business is just a ruse from Brant.
    WTF are you talking about? BB drop is what you measure, it is the property of the frame. And string method is the way you do it. BB height is affected by tires.

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    Here's my EG:







    Vitals: medium EG, ZS cane creek headset, 160mm marzocchi 55, and 2.1 Schwalbe Racing Ralphs.

    I love the bike and it rails on the smooth singletrack but both my Time pedals now only offer 1 sided entry because the clips on the other side have been smashed. These pedals came off my previous bike, a Banshee Spitfire (also setup with the same tires, fork, and headset) were pedal strikes were a non-issue. Both bikes ridden the same way, on the same trail. I think I need to look into getting this frame sorted out.

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    when did you buy it?
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    I bought in late July of last year. I believe it was one of the initial batches of frames with the revised geometry/longer toptube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I bought in late July of last year. I believe it was one of the initial batches of frames with the revised geometry/longer toptube.
    I got it in september and it's the same issue as yours. =\

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    Oh god damn!

    Is it just waste of money to buy Titus?,

    I'm now waiting since 14 December my frame to arrive...

    Who wants to quess my EG bb height? I'm afraid that it's too low. My setup is going to be 150mm revelation, headset with 15mm bottom stack height, 175mm cranks, 2,4/2,25" Ardent tires...

    I REALLY hope that new frames are in spec...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Not sure how that would work?
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    If the shock mount was pushed forward as suspected, a possible fix would be a longer shock. But it'd be fractions of an inch longer. Not sure if anything other than a custom cut/drilled/ano shaft would be possible.
    Forgot to post this.. more travel works. Recently was tuning and noticed my shock had 6mm of unused shaft hiding behind the seal/bush. Added 4mm ss spacer to extend the shaft, also rebound adjuster, and have enough threads for tightening the bolt. Still have clearance in the shock and the ST : )

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    Hi again.
    Earlier this year I got my exchange back from On One.
    I was running with a slackset and with the new frame I still had 6-7mm BB drop as oppose to the 12mm I had with the old frame.
    My a2c is 556mm (Marz 170mm) but the slackset hasn't got the 15mm external cap so I guess the BB drop was pretty much expected.
    I was curious to see how the bicycle will be and behave with a smoothie headset so -1 degree HA and 15mm more rise. So I ordered it and installed it yesterday...
    Bummer...
    I still have about 5mm drop! I am 11mm higher that the "model" used for measurements and I am still with a BB drop. Not even on center...
    Any ideas...?
    More money spend (aka smoothie) same result....
    I am starting to feel a bit disappointed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I bought in late July of last year. I believe it was one of the initial batches of frames with the revised geometry/longer toptube.
    you certainly put in the time to see if it was gonna work for ya. would you expect to be satisfied w/ 13.4 BB as listed nowadays? when you bought it , were you expecting 13.8?
    good luck w/ the tradein or refund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
    you certainly put in the time to see if it was gonna work for ya. would you expect to be satisfied w/ 13.4 BB as listed nowadays? when you bought it , were you expecting 13.8?
    good luck w/ the tradein or refund.
    I sent on-one an email and I'll see what they have to say. Initially, I really liked the bike but then started noticing pedal strikes on trails that I've ridden forever (on a banshee spitfire and prior to that a first gen blur) where pedal strikes were never an issue and I guess the final straw was when the pedal strikes mangled the clips on my pedals so bad to turn that each one is only clippable on one side. I would think anything in the low 13" range of bb height would be much, much better.

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    sounds like my story exactly Bill.. they should do you another.

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