Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst 12345678 ... LastLast
Results 301 to 400 of 891
  1. #301
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    32
    mine with a bos deville on front is at 31.5 centimeters. So about 12.4 inches.

    It is just a pain in the ass to climb with the frame.
    I had to change the way I ride so I wont hit the pedals, bash and cranks in every stone that it is on the floor.
    I ride 170mm crank arms, so I can not reduce even more the crank arms leght.

    Mine as bought back in August, so I think that it as one of the first batch of v.3.
    The people how have phone to on one what as their response?
    And Brant?
    Any European client has tried to complain?

  2. #302
    Outcast
    Reputation: Renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    8,585
    Brant?
    Craigstr?
    How's it going?
    ****

  3. #303
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,760
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Brant?
    Craigstr?
    How's it going?
    breezy shade

  4. #304
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    108
    Quote Originally Posted by komondor View Post
    The people how have phone to on one what as their response?
    And Brant?
    See post #20. So far so good. Have you called them?

  5. #305
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    108
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Brant?
    Craigstr?
    How's it going?
    I am not sure what you are asking for.

  6. #306
    mtbr member
    Reputation: craigstr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    4,362

    Looks like he is trying to stir the pot.

    Quote Originally Posted by rottenronny View Post
    I am not sure what you are asking for.
    But thanks for asking Renegade, I'm doing great. I'm running my first half marathon in three weeks and my training is going well. All my hard work in the gym and on the road this fall has paid off, I'm down below 175 lbs and 6.7% bodyfat. I parted out my 2011 Knolly Delirium and did very well on it, my Carbon Rockstar will be here next month and BikerBob is working on my parts order. My wife and I decided to remodel our kitchen this spring and are going to look at appliances today, oh and I got a flu shot yesterday. Anything else you want to know?

  7. #307
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    108
    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Anything else you want to know?
    Who does your hair?

  8. #308
    mtbr member
    Reputation: craigstr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    4,362
    Not much left to worry about.

  9. #309
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,842
    I'm sat with my daughter who says she has tummy ache and won't go to sleep so thought I'd write a few words.
    It's been utterly gutting, recieving the news that this batch of frames had inconsistencies in the bb height. And that coupled with the lack of an update on the geometry shown on the Titus site has upset and discouraged people too.

    We are of course producing the El Guapo frames at the same facility "old" Titus did, that's respected builder Kinesis, in Taiwan. They have always been geometrically on spec, so we were aghast when customers started bringing up issues.

    The good thing is we have new jigging procedures, and also new qc procedures in place to catch a similar occurrence. More time for us in Taiwan. Slightly increased lead times. Better product.
    El Guapo 29 is due to complete any day but won't ship until we've crawled all over it. In all sizes.

    Renegade haunts my dreams and living moments. I strive to do better.
    Thanks for your patience and again, if anyone has a frame out of spec, please contact your reseller. String really is the best way to check.

  10. #310
    mtbr member
    Reputation: terrible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,978
    if anyone has a frame out of spec, please contact your reseller.
    my who?
    "I'm the fastest of the slow guys"

  11. #311
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    from wherever you bought it.

    brant, you the man. you actually gave us a straight answer when i wanted to check if i had the problem. not sure many companies would have done that, they have too many PR idiots etc between people like you and me the humble customer. this is a +, the kind of thing that handled right builds long term loyalty. the fact it's taken so long to figure out shows what a weird issue this was. and it's far from the worst mistakes made in the industry - it's not like you've got frames snapping and hurting people or anything like that. I still appreciate the value on offer and think it's the best product in class. So i hope you in particular and on-one aren't damaged by this.

    Can you tell me have the current frames in stock at on-one been through the extra QC? i'd really like to know in next few days as I supposedly have one put by but could wait for new batch, if you think that's a good idea? just being selfish here..

    there are probably some things on-one as a company can do better on the customer support side but i'll leave that till this is sorted out

  12. #312
    on my 3rd wind...
    Reputation: SingleTrackHound's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    1,814
    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    I'm sat with my daughter who says she has tummy ache and won't go to sleep so thought I'd write a few words.
    It's been utterly gutting, recieving the news that this batch of frames had inconsistencies in the bb height. And that coupled with the lack of an update on the geometry shown on the Titus site has upset and discouraged people too.

    We are of course producing the El Guapo frames at the same facility "old" Titus did, that's respected builder Kinesis, in Taiwan. They have always been geometrically on spec, so we were aghast when customers started bringing up issues.

    The good thing is we have new jigging procedures, and also new qc procedures in place to catch a similar occurrence. More time for us in Taiwan. Slightly increased lead times. Better product.
    El Guapo 29 is due to complete any day but won't ship until we've crawled all over it. In all sizes.
    Brant thanks sharing that. Although I am not completely satisfied with my EG there are more good than bad so I am going to keep it and I am going to make it work for my application...but I am sure I will still swear every time I clip my pedal when unexpected. The initial shock (from low bbh) has now worn off long ago and I am pretty content with very minor gripe. It's such a great deal on frame that sometimes it makes me wonder if we even have right to complain. I have great job most people would dream of I still find something to complain about it. I think it's human nature. Anyways it's great to see that now there is clear understanding on what official geo spec for EG that is coming out of assembly line. Seems like new Titus is headed in the right direction and I hope past goof up doesn't sway away potential buyers because it's a heck of a deal and awesome riding 6" rig. Ride on...
    sth

  13. #313
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    El Guapo 29 is due to complete any day

    Sir...I say sir....may we see the large...

  14. #314
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721

    Pics

    por favor

  15. #315
    Outcast
    Reputation: Renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    8,585
    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    I'm sat with my daughter who says she has tummy ache and won't go to sleep so thought I'd write a few words.
    It's been utterly gutting, recieving the news that this batch of frames had inconsistencies in the bb height. And that coupled with the lack of an update on the geometry shown on the Titus site has upset and discouraged people too.

    We are of course producing the El Guapo frames at the same facility "old" Titus did, that's respected builder Kinesis, in Taiwan. They have always been geometrically on spec, so we were aghast when customers started bringing up issues.

    The good thing is we have new jigging procedures, and also new qc procedures in place to catch a similar occurrence. More time for us in Taiwan. Slightly increased lead times. Better product.
    El Guapo 29 is due to complete any day but won't ship until we've crawled all over it. In all sizes.

    Renegade haunts my dreams and living moments. I strive to do better.
    Thanks for your patience and again, if anyone has a frame out of spec, please contact your reseller. String really is the best way to check.
    If my persistence in being a thorn in you butt has had anything to do with you looking into your QC procedures and manufacturing processes, and real change is going to take place, then my presence here has been a success, and everyone benefits, including you and Titus. If anyone here doesn't understand that, then P.M. me, and I will try to explain it to you.
    ****

  16. #316
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,760
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    If my persistence in being a thorn in you butt has had anything to do with you looking into your QC procedures and manufacturing processes, and real change is going to take place, then my presence here has been a success, and everyone benefits, including you and Titus. If anyone here doesn't understand that, then P.M. me, and I will try to explain it to you.
    nicely done
    breezy shade

  17. #317
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Scottandhisdog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    251
    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    Can you tell me have the current frames in stock at on-one been through the extra QC? i'd really like to know in next few days as I supposedly have one put by but could wait for new batch, if you think that's a good idea? just being selfish here..

    there are probably some things on-one as a company can do better on the customer support side but i'll leave that till this is sorted out
    That's what I'd like to know as well. I'm so close to pulling the trigger on one, but I just don't want the frustration that others have experienced in the past.

  18. #318
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Interesting. Good thing I did not try to wait for v.3 back when I have returned v.2 and got my Nicolai (which was exactly like the published spec down to a mm).

    Which brings the point - that its published spec included such useful measurements like BB drop for a give fork ref length and lower cup stack height, and tons of other precise numbers. And things like BB height given for a stated outer diameter of the wheel etc.

    Why is it so frigging hard for manufacturers to get numbers from their CAD program and publish them EXACTLY. Especially for those relying on online/remote sales.

    Getting reach and stack numbers was an improvement. Now quote low ht edge to axle length used. And all dimensions accurately. Basically a set of numbers that will allow one to make an online tool to compare fits of different frames down to a mm. Should not be too hard.

  19. #319
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    Quote Originally Posted by komondor View Post
    Mine as bought back in August, so I think that it as one of the first batch of v.3.
    The people how have phone to on one what as their response?
    And Brant?
    Any European client has tried to complain?
    Mine was a V3 purchased on early July last year. I leave in Greece.
    After having pedal strikes myself and after reading this thread I measured mine with the string and send On-One UK the results.
    Proved to be out of specs and now it's on its way back. Little harm done. Glad that there is a problem and it wasn't my riding or a geometry design that I had to live with.
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  20. #320
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    Quote Originally Posted by rottenronny View Post
    I will chime in. My V3 EG large has a low BB. Before purchase, I had read that the EG had a low BB and expected more than the average number of pedal strikes. I ordered a crankset with 170mm cranks to mitigate the strikes. And after pedaling the completed bike, I then ordered thinner and narrower pedals. I rode it for 4 months. So many pedal strikes (no surprise now) and bashed up my new XT crank arms in the process.

    For a while I just thought this is how it is. But the bike was crap in the technical sections and I wasn't too thrilled with it from that perspective.

    Thanks to SingleTrackHound for his astute observations and starting this thread. Thanks to him it all started to make sense.

    I think Brant has done us all a service by admitting there was an error and suggesting a fix ("contact OnOne customer service" - which I have done). Some companies could have simply denied it. I have emailed photos and I am currently awaiting a response.

    nhodge makes this point: " i really don't see ON ONE making good on this situation. so far, there seems to be no reason to think so". I can't say that I agree with that. Brant is already making the right noises about a frame swap on this forum and my own experience with OnOne customer service supports Brant's olive branch". I would judge that to be a satisfactory solution.

    As for doctoring the specs on the website? Yes, I think it is cheeky. But think about it from their perspective. They have to do it at some point once they notice the error (or it is brought to their attention). But is it really going to make a huge difference to the bike itself? And then what should be done? I suggest that different people will have differing viewpoints on that one. And perhaps OnOne will have different solutions for different people depending on the individuals view. Brant states "anyone that has an issue should get in touch and we will work on resolutions", indicating a willingness to be flexible. Some have even mentioned that they may keep the bike as is. Personally, for me, I want to change to the correct frame as I do a fair amount of XC with it and find the extremely low BB a nuisance. But I can understand for some people that they might want a refund based on the shift in specs and then move on to another maker.

    OnOne is in damage control mode on this issue. Different companies will have different ways of handling these kinds of crises. But in the end, they will do what they think is right given the circumstances. And it will be a balance between satisfying the customer to the best of their abilities without taking a financial caning. For me, I am willing to give the new frame a go. rob_g_clarkson say this about the new frame "ok... i hit the trails hard yesterday & the difference was noticeable on the first climb... great news... no more smashed pedals!"

    For me, the jury is still out until I get the frame swap done. Yes it is a huge hassle of shifting parts, shipping, loss of personal time, loss of use of the bike, time spent reading this thread. But the milk has been spilled. I will just have to move on. Even Rolls Royce has recalls. It is just part of life. It isn't a perfect world. Some people can never be satisfied though (I'm not suggesting that this is you) and those folks will move on to another frame.

    But in the end, all this mess aside (and perhaps even considering it), the EG is a wicked good deal if it rides like rob_g_clarkson says.

    I couldn't agree more with you!
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  21. #321
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    It's damn sure better than the 12.75 with a 180 fork!

    I'm not saying a whole lot about mine since I bought another bike. The EG has been shelved until I decide to keep the new ride or not.

    I would love to swap my 160 float onto the v3 and try it with a "proper travel " fork but right before my v1 broke I bought a brand new set of 1.5 straight steerer uppers for that fork. Hind sight being 20-20 I should have future proofed that fork and swapped it to taper uppers.

    My v3 is a pig with a low dirt-dragging belly right now. I'm still thinking about calling on-one/titus again to see what I can get done but I'm busy hating my new bike right now....and missing my perfect v1
    Ha! I missed this post.. try to put a larger shock for more travel on the V3

    I'm very tempted to pick up one of the botched ones (at discount) and convert the CS to 650B myself.. hmm Large raw 650b

    As for the Fox.. I am over the FIT


    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Interesting. Good thing I did not try to wait for v.3 back when I have returned v.2 and got my Nicolai (which was exactly like the published spec down to a mm).

    Which brings the point - that its published spec included such useful measurements like BB drop for a give fork ref length and lower cup stack height, and tons of other precise numbers. And things like BB height given for a stated outer diameter of the wheel etc.

    Why is it so frigging hard for manufacturers to get numbers from their CAD program and publish them EXACTLY. Especially for those relying on online/remote sales.

    Getting reach and stack numbers was an improvement. Now quote low ht edge to axle length used. And all dimensions accurately. Basically a set of numbers that will allow one to make an online tool to compare fits of different frames down to a mm. Should not be too hard.


    FAX = BBH



    may this be put to rest

  22. #322
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,842
    Ha! I missed this post.. try to put a larger shock for more travel on the V3
    Not sure how that would work?

  23. #323
    mtbr member
    Reputation: terrible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,978
    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Not sure how that would work?
    If the shock mount was pushed forward as suspected, a possible fix would be a longer shock. But it'd be fractions of an inch longer. Not sure if anything other than a custom cut/drilled/ano shaft would be possible.
    "I'm the fastest of the slow guys"

  24. #324
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    If the shock mount was pushed forward as suspected, a possible fix would be a longer shock. But it'd be fractions of an inch longer. Not sure if anything other than a custom cut/drilled/ano shaft would be possible.
    You could get a longer eye-to-eye and shim travel?

    Maybe you could use one of those eccentric mounts? They could do about 3mm, on each end, that should move the wheel down about 15mm static, right? Raise BB 0.3 inch or so? Still not enough to take out 1inch error reported here. Damn, that's a big error..
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?-offsetbush3.jpg  


  25. #325
    mtbr member
    Reputation: terrible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,978
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    You could get a longer eye-to-eye and shim travel?

    Maybe you could use one of those eccentric mounts? They could do about 3mm, on each end, that should move the wheel down about 15mm static, right? Raise BB 0.3 inch or so? Still not enough to take out 1inch error reported here. Damn, that's a big error..
    Yes but then I loose that nice rockshox hardware and have to run rather small bolts through the shocks.

    I had that about welding up the existing holes on the front shock mount and re-drilling them 10-12mm back. But if I can get the frame replaced I'd rather go that route.

    FWIW I sent an email to info@titusti.com and was told I'll have to get ahold of the engineering dept and then they would handle a return.

    Brant, your engineering right?
    "I'm the fastest of the slow guys"

  26. #326
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    If the shock mount was pushed forward as suspected, a possible fix would be a longer shock. But it'd be fractions of an inch longer. Not sure if anything other than a custom cut/drilled/ano shaft would be possible.
    If you can't see a diff between your v3 and v1, longer shock wouldn't be worth it.. quarter inch between shock/rocker mount and seat tube isn't much but it'd fit a 8.75 shock, wonder what bbh would be ..

  27. #327
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Not sure how that would work?
    Not sure either, top shock mount position could've been measured and welded too far forward.. If there was extra space between rocker and seat tube it would be visible

  28. #328
    mtbr member
    Reputation: terrible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,978
    Not sure either, top shock mount position could've been measured and welded too far forward.. If there was extra space between rocker and seat tube it would be visible
    My theory! mine mine MINE!!!

    Seriously I think this is what happend. After looking at the v1 and v3 it is the only measurment that I can take and get a difference on. But, with the longer TT of the v3 it's hard to nail it down with a tape measure and torpedo level.
    "I'm the fastest of the slow guys"

  29. #329
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    My theory! mine mine MINE!!!

    Seriously I think this is what happend. After looking at the v1 and v3 it is the only measurment that I can take and get a difference on. But, with the longer TT of the v3 it's hard to nail it down with a tape measure and torpedo level.
    To move BB down about say 12mm, axle would be about 24mm higher, that corresponds to about 10mm at the shock, which is what the top tube was stretched, right? So they would have had their jig keyed on the headtube, and forgot to move it back with a longer TT.

    Brant can possibly tell if that is indeed the case, but numbers seem to fit.

  30. #330
    mtbr member
    Reputation: anvil_den's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    953
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    My theory! mine mine MINE!!!

    Seriously I think this is what happend. After looking at the v1 and v3 it is the only measurment that I can take and get a difference on. But, with the longer TT of the v3 it's hard to nail it down with a tape measure and torpedo level.
    Can do a counter check.. apart from measuring the tiny gap-- take a ref point say the top of your seat tube to the center of the top mounting bolt on both your V1 and V3...

    If it is any forward, this and the increase in tt stretching towards the front would both be factors affecting bbh (or logically I would think).

    If you are onto it-- using a similar ref point method, go check where the lower mount is welded as well.. I suspect if the top is moved, to a certain extent the lower will also have to be in a new position for shock to fit.

  31. #331
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    I suspect if the top is moved, to a certain extent the lower will also have to be in a new position for shock to fit.
    Logical

    I'm thinking the top mount placement is referenced from the front, bottom measured from the back.. so, one or both still could be out until someone checks

    Warp had a good point, earlier in the thread, I'm wondering where HA actually ended up


    8.75, wouldn't that be a neat trick

  32. #332
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post

    If you are onto it-- using a similar ref point method, go check where the lower mount is welded as well.. I suspect if the top is moved, to a certain extent the lower will also have to be in a new position for shock to fit.
    Shock is mounted to the linkage. It rotates to compensate.

    The only thing that bugs me here is that obviously, at some moment in time somebody @Kinesis found the error and fixed it (since properly made frames exist). And nothing happened. Nobody was warned, nothing was recalled.

    (I am following the story as I am also contemplating a Titus frame - my wife's Yeti is very long in the tooth). And I just build up a commuter from On One's Pompino..

    I trust On One will fix the process with Titus, I just wonder when it is all good and safe and figured out.

  33. #333
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    811
    Maybe I can shed a little light on this subject.

    First off, I was initially going to go with the El Guapo 29er. When I saw the first OP on the EG 29er, I was fully intrigued. I ride two 29er's now. After some time, no "real" time frame was announced for the EG 29er, so I moved on and bought an Intense Spider 29er. But, I still wanted an El Guapo, so I decided to look into the 26" model. I came to the Titus sub forum and started reading everything that pertained to it here. What's ironic is that I always bypassed this thread. Go figure. I was talking to a friend of mine who owns the V2 El Guapo and told him I was looking into buying one for myself. First thing he said was, "be careful, the BB on the new version has height issues". So I immediately came back here and read all 14 pages of this thread, and my head is spinning. I'm an educated man, but this BB problem is so far beyond my comprehension, it's mind numbing. I'm glad some of you understand it.

    My next step was to contact Brant, who posts here regularly as you all know. I figured he would be the one to straighten me out. I told him I was interested in the V3 EG but that I had reservations. He replied within 10 minutes of my email with this response, and I quote, "the pre order ones are all good, and spot on specification" end quote.

    So...my mind is somewhat more at ease after reading that. I will continue to follow this thread closely to see what, if anything, changes. The pre order price of $813.00 is so inviting, it's hard not to place my order.
    *2018 Pivot Mach 5.5 Custom Build*
    *2017 Knolly Warden Custom Build*
    *2014 Knolly Endorphin Custom Build*

  34. #334
    mtbr member
    Reputation: anvil_den's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    953
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Shock is mounted to the linkage. It rotates to compensate.
    .
    Was working to get my bikeroom up and running earlier on while trying to multitask reading/ posting here.. clearly the circular saw and woodworking was affecting my neural pathway

  35. #335
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    My theory! mine mine MINE!!!

    Seriously I think this is what happend. After looking at the v1 and v3 it is the only measurment that I can take and get a difference on. But, with the longer TT of the v3 it's hard to nail it down with a tape measure and torpedo level.


    Torpedo your pinky finger between seat tube/shock, if it fits good to go

  36. #336
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    47
    now i want to measure my BBH... =\

  37. #337
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by kenny78 View Post
    now i want to measure my BBH... =\
    Stand with your back to the wall, tie a piece of string to..

  38. #338
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    47
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Stand with your back to the wall, tie a piece of string to..
    yup, gonna do...

  39. #339
    mtbr member
    Reputation: The Thug's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    198
    I've been following this thread for quite a while and I'm still not sure whether I have a V2 or V3 EG. Frame serial no. is KB60339039

    Does one measure the BB height to the centre of the crank or to the bottom of the BB?

    Edit: I guess I'll have to measure my BB drop as BB height is tyre and fork dependent.
    Last edited by The Thug; 01-20-2013 at 11:57 AM.

  40. #340
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    47
    Ok, so i finally measured the bbh, and it's about 13".
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?-photo.jpg  


  41. #341
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    108
    Quote Originally Posted by The Thug View Post
    I've been following this thread for quite a while and I'm still not sure whether I have a V2 or V3 EG. Frame serial no. is KB60339039

    Does one measure the BB height to the centre of the crank or to the bottom of the BB?

    Edit: I guess I'll have to measure my BB drop as BB height is tyre and fork dependent.
    Roughly done by stretching a string between the center of the front and rear axles. That string line should roughly go through the center of the BB +/- one or two mm.

  42. #342
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,760
    Quote Originally Posted by kenny78 View Post
    Ok, so i finally measured the bbh, and it's about 13".
    breezy shade

  43. #343
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by kenny78 View Post
    Ok, so i finally measured the bbh, and it's about 13".
    Not enough information. Measure the drop, and tell what is the fork length, including lower headset stack. But seems kinda low..

  44. #344
    mtbr member
    Reputation: The Thug's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    198
    Looks like my BB drop is spot on (give or take a mm or 2)

    BB height with a RS Lyrik 160mm and Maxxis High Roller 2.35's is 13.2"

  45. #345
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    well bad news for anyone waiting for a correct geo 26er v3! seems they got put on a boat instead of the plane. you can't make this stuff up mid-feb now maybe? this might only matter for pre-orderers or those waiting for replacements like me, though i might have one reserved in UK not sure yet (29ers are delayed also for a different reason, see brant's post in other thread..)

  46. #346
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    108
    From Neil Sutton at Planet X bikes:

    "The replacement frames are currently on the water on the way to us and are due here early March".

    FYI

  47. #347
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,340
    On a slow boat from China?

  48. #348
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306


    that's going to HK, but you get the idea.




    thanks Barry and Neil for sorting me out with a new frame! Quick Rug Test says BB is about 15mm higher but i'll put headset and fork in later to check before building further. also nice little clips to hold cables on without cable ties? and rocker matches rest of frame

  49. #349
    mtbr member
    Reputation: craigstr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    4,362
    Well they aren't coming from China. They are coming from taiwan, the taiwanese get very insulted if you compare them to the chinese especially in terms of craftsmanship and quality. Takes about three weeks to from the time the boat leaves port until it arrives, then customs can be another 1-2 weeks.

  50. #350
    Dont Rep me
    Reputation: Strafer.2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    151
    Is that shipment going to UK or US?

  51. #351
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    i didn't get to put both frames side by side but i did take some pics, unfortunately not quite lined up but if you flick between them:

    old (summer 2012)


    new (Jan 2013)


    you'll see the seattube, the seattube brace in particular are very different. also less seattube sticking up above brace in 2nd.

    edit: also, way improved rear disc tabs! check that out. world exclusive here
    ISCG tabs looks same to me.

    note i have not verified this 2nd frame is correct yet, just received it.

  52. #352
    mtbr member
    Reputation: craigstr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    4,362
    Looks like the forward shock mount is further forward on the new frame in relation to the Titus etching and cable guides?

  53. #353
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721

    new top mount looks larger

    Take a close up of the brake tab.. goes much further up now instead of couple extra beads (thing looks awesome)


    *use 160 fork Smiff...160
    ...

  54. #354
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    these are all of the Jan '13 frame



    so did anyone break their brake tabs?





    frame weight is about 3120 with same shock, so not much different possibly a few grams more? i can't remember exactly old weight. and i may have taken the plastic spacer out so very little difference!
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-23-2013 at 10:46 AM.

  55. #355
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Love the raw finish, gonna have to get me one those seat stays
    ...

  56. #356
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,842
    I had a Seatstay fail on a proto with thinner gauge tubing so thought it a good idea to modify the disc mount anyway.

  57. #357
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    edit: also, way improved rear disc tabs! check that out. world exclusive here
    ISCG tabs looks same to me.

    note i have not verified this 2nd frame is correct yet, just received it.
    Maybe it was wrong seatstay length? Looking at were the dropout is on your pictures...

    Who cares, they fixed it...

  58. #358
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,842
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Maybe it was wrong seatstay length? Looking at were the dropout is on your pictures...

    Who cares, they fixed it...
    I believe it to be a combination of errors which unfortunately accumulated rather than cancelled each other out.

    Linkage systems do this.

    Much more accurate qc of assembled product and process should fix this in production, and then qc out the back of that should fix any that slip through.

  59. #359
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Maybe it was wrong seatstay length? Looking at were the dropout is on your pictures...

    nah we (brant and i) checked that, way back in this thread, seastay length was bang on spec. i thought same, dropouts "look" high. but that's not the issue.
    i'll put headset and fork in ASAP with string that's all i need to see.

    from what brant's saying the visible changes are for other reasons and not worth anyone with older frame getting their panties twisted about (as long your older one has good geometry!). it was just a few mm here and there adding up to quite a lot (3/4" in my case) at the bb..

    i guess you're always going to get slight weakness to tubes where you weld things, Trek had this same problem on i think early FuelExs, they solved just by shaping the weld with more taper. But Trek's seatstays were failing "in the wild"..
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-24-2013 at 05:30 AM.

  60. #360
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    Nice Smiff. Where did you get the double c-clip? Did it came with the frame? Did you also got a new shock or they put the old one back on?

    As far as the cable guide next to the rocker mount, I think the cables will have hard time to route...
    Did you had time to re-build it yet or not?

    What do we get with the new rear disc mount? More stiffness?

    Also I didn't quite get what was the problem with the v3 failed frames. As far I can see from the pictures the seatstay tube looks the same length but the horizontal tube is welded in an upper position. That was the problem?
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  61. #361
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    clips came on frame and there's something in that bag like a small tube i dunno what it is. yeah these didn't come with old frame. not sure tbh if those clips will be strong enough, probably end up using zip ties again.

    less seattube at top on new frame, should lower the bb, but if you look where the seatstay curls around seattube, i think that's lower on new frame? which lowers rear wheel, which raises bb.. but may just be the toptube is welded higher. def. different though.
    ditto moving top tube shock mount forward, should raise rear wheel, lower bb. but isn't shock eye in same place and mount just longer? it's really hard to see.

    it's my old shock on-one moved it over and put it on other way for some reason. can reach controls easer maybe that way. dunno why the didn't just ask me keep it. ok though because it's stopped leaking and will give a proper comparison of ride.

    yeah raw is still sexy. i'm confused whey they didn't move ISCG in a couple of mm as that would have been the easiest thing to fix!?

    i also noticed last night one of my horst pivots looks a bit misaligned not sure if will matter (there's a gap between alloy and plastic bush on one side).
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-24-2013 at 11:15 AM.

  62. #362
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    clips came on frame and there's something in that bag like a small tube i dunno what it is. yeah these didn't come with old frame. not sure tbh if those clips will be strong enough, probably end up using zip ties again.

    less seattube at top on new frame, should lower the bb, but if you look where the seatstay curls around seattube, i think that's lower on new frame? which lowers rear wheel, which raises bb.. but may just be the toptube is welded higher. def. different though.
    ditto moving top tube shock mount forward, should raise rear wheel, lower bb. but isn't shock eye in same place and mount just longer? it's really hard to see.

    it's my old shock on-one moved it over and put it on other way for some reason. can reach controls easer maybe that way. dunno why the didn't just ask me keep it. ok though because it's stopped leaking and will give a proper comparison of ride.

    yeah raw is still sexy. i'm confused whey they didn't move ISCG in a couple of mm as that would have been the easiest thing to fix!?

    i also noticed last night one of my horst pivots looks a bit misaligned not sure if will matter (there's a gap between alloy and plastic bush on one side).
    Thanks for the info Smiff.
    I think that the top tube is welded higher and the top shock mount seems shorter as well it's one side welded more forward.
    Nice touch the c-clips. If knew I wouldn't order from eBay... I think they are strong. We will see.
    I wonder what this plastic tube you said is...
    To bad they didn't fix the iscg...
    By the way my shock was as yours is on the new frame. Otherwise you cannot reach the controls.
    Can't wait to get mine back. It should be here any day now!
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  63. #363
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    108
    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer.2 View Post
    Is that shipment going to UK or US?
    The shipment I made reference to is, I understand, going to the UK. There may be other shipments bound for USA - don't know.

  64. #364
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    what do y'all make of this? apart from obviously i'm spending too much time on this



    bb cup (only put in to raise level nearer string, difficult to line photo up) is approx 44mm across, so midpoint is 22mm. string crosses at 34mm, so i have -12mm drop. right?

    this is with Rev 150mm, CC40 external cup, same as i had on old frame.



    (terrifying for your stanchions!)







    (this looks weird, i'm trying to include the race, but 12mm lower stack height is on spec).

    Soo.. i think this frame is 10mm higher BB than my old frame, i should just be happy with that i guess? Why not the -4mm approx i think Brant said? was i misunderstanding somewhere?
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-26-2013 at 04:24 PM.

  65. #365
    mtbr member
    Reputation: terrible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,978
    Looks to me like youve got a 10-12mm drop.
    "I'm the fastest of the slow guys"

  66. #366
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    yeah it's an improvement i just thought i'd take a break and check in here before building it up. i should continue right? i mean i was almost ok with -22mm, i'll be ok with -12mm i guess. just a bit.. meh. was expecting higher!

    time to put the kettle on.
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-26-2013 at 04:39 PM.

  67. #367
    mtbr member
    Reputation: craigstr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    4,362
    Isnt it supposed to be 4mm drop with a 160mm fork? Move that string down 10mm on your fork and see what you get?

  68. #368
    mtbr member
    Reputation: craigstr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    4,362
    Interesting 650B tid bit here. I helped a friend build up a 650B today, I couldnt resist putting his Stan's Arch with a Nobby Nic 2.25 on the rear of my V2 EG. Had about 3-4mm of clearance at the chainstay yolk and about 2mm clearance at full suspension compression at the seatube. It was definitely tight but with a lower profile tire might just work.

  69. #369
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Isnt it supposed to be 4mm drop with a 160mm fork? Move that string down 10mm on your fork and see what you get?
    it's supposed to be 0mm with 160mm RS fork?
    -12mm still seems rather much.. i'd get -8mm ish with a 10mm more fork (160mm). in theory. if i had one.

    a2c
    http://cdn.sram.com/cdn/farfuture/ch...Axle2Crown.pdf

    any newer doc than this? no 150mm on that old chart, but if its 529mm, i'll check mine later. Lyric is 545mm? a 16mm difference could do as much as 5mm at bb? still doesn't account for it.

    i'll wait for now as i need to drill bb holes next and don't expect on-one to resell it as new after that.
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-26-2013 at 05:35 PM.

  70. #370
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    using this page
    Schwalbe Tire Specs
    taking a RachingRalph 2.1/2.25 (hopefully this is a typical tyre?)
    or a nevegal 2.1 which is a tyre i actually use
    Kenda Tire Specs
    "Axle to Tread tallest point mm" is the measurement we want. of course riding the bike it'll be lower.

    338mm with zero drop gives a bb height of 13.3" (338/25.4)
    which nicely is what we decided before is the spec.
    (a DH tyre could take you up to, i dunno, 13.5" ?)

    but with 12mm drop, i'd have a bb height of 12.83" this sound right? compare to the 12.5 i actually measured on old bike (8.4mm difference by calculator, so about right). guess i need to start using bigger tyres or fit a 650b back there Craig?
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-26-2013 at 07:04 PM.

  71. #371
    Outcast
    Reputation: Renegade's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    8,585
    Smiff. your BB height is too low; out of specification.
    ****

  72. #372
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    yeah, again? what should I do, wait 6 weeks for next batch? ask to return now? ffs.
    i specifically asked on-one (not Brant, because i was talking with cust service) if the ones they had in were correct, was told yes. a misunderstanding or did they think that i wouldn't check it?
    otoh, about 8-10mm higher might be alright..
    so.. 3rd time lucky?

  73. #373
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    What's the A-C on your 150mm ?


    Thought bb drop number is with 545mm A-C + 12-14mm external cup?

  74. #374
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    yeah, again? what should I do, wait 6 weeks for next batch? ask to return now? ffs.
    i specifically asked on-one (not Brant, because i was talking with cust service) if the ones they had in were correct, was told yes. a misunderstanding or did they think that i wouldn't check it?
    otoh, about 8-10mm higher might be alright..
    so.. 3rd time lucky?
    I hope I won't be so "lucky"!
    I am expecting mine later this week.
    I was also told that it is on specs and double checked!
    We will see. I hope they are right.
    I had a 12mm drop with a 170mm fork but with -1 degree slackset. Can't wait...
    Is your rear shock's pressure as it should be?
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  75. #375
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    yeah, again? what should I do, wait 6 weeks for next batch? ask to return now? ffs.
    i specifically asked on-one (not Brant, because i was talking with cust service) if the ones they had in were correct, was told yes. a misunderstanding or did they think that i wouldn't check it?
    otoh, about 8-10mm higher might be alright..
    so.. 3rd time lucky?
    In photos it looks like your string is not dead on center of the dropout. Maybe 3mm to 5mm lower.

    150mm Rev is 530? 15mm A2C is probably 7mm difference? (Just measure the fraction of the string length where it passes the BB and multiply 15mm by that)

    So with those two factors (if I eyeballed your string and dropout correctly) you would be pretty close to where it should be.

  76. #376
    mtbr member
    Reputation: anvil_den's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    953
    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Interesting 650B tid bit here. I helped a friend build up a 650B today, I couldnt resist putting his Stan's Arch with a Nobby Nic 2.25 on the rear of my V2 EG. Had about 3-4mm of clearance at the chainstay yolk and about 2mm clearance at full suspension compression at the seatube. It was definitely tight but with a lower profile tire might just work.
    Good to know. Thx.
    My bombproof wheels are finally going to the grave... let's see if I can score a pr of 650 to tryout..

  77. #377
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    108
    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    Is your rear shock's pressure as it should be?
    I wouldn't think that would be an issue with no weight on the bike ... unless the pressure is REALLY low.

  78. #378
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    In photos it looks like your string is not dead on center of the dropout. Maybe 3mm to 5mm lower.

    150mm Rev is 530? 15mm A2C is probably 7mm difference? (Just measure the fraction of the string length where it passes the BB and multiply 15mm by that)

    So with those two factors (if I eyeballed your string and dropout correctly) you would be pretty close to where it should be.
    i tried to align string with where centre of axle would be, not top of dropout. axle is 10mm so 5mm from top of dropout is right, right? but lower axle would raise bb, so that makes this even worse?

    i'll check some things and report back. it's low, but it may be close enough to keep, i'm hoping.

    edit:
    all right i gave myself a "virtual lyric"(TM,patent pending) with a ruler strapped to the Rev adding 16mm.
    this gives me bb drop of 8mm on the string. with 170mm cranks (I use anyway) i'd have pedals only 3mm lower than intended? (with my fork, err 8mm lower again?). also checked string at back is 5mm below top of dropout.

    So what's the verdict, do i keep it or try to send it back again? bearing in mind it took 5 days of someone waiting in for courier, lots of emails/calls, 6 weeks or whatever till new frames arrive. and i don't even like dicking on-one around.
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-27-2013 at 07:50 AM.

  79. #379
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    Quote Originally Posted by rottenronny View Post
    I wouldn't think that would be an issue with no weight on the bike ... unless the pressure is REALLY low.
    That was my point... You never know.
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  80. #380
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,760
    [QUOTE and i don't even like dicking on-one around.[/QUOTE]

    YOU don't like dicking On One around?

    THEY sure seem to love dicking us around
    breezy shade

  81. #381
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    8
    Looking to place a order for a orange medium el guapo, showing two in stock, but a bit nervous to place a order if they are out of spec, has all the current stock been rechecked ?. I guess they could be old stock or maybe a recent delivery from late last year.

    Also which hope headset would i need for a tapered steerer lyric ?.

  82. #382
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    i'd have to say don't buy the current ones, not sure how they're checking them but the first batch that have been through new jigging & qc method will be the ones in late feb/march?

    honestly i think probably most V3 guapos sold up to now have been wrong, just different amounts of wrong (ok, if you're anal there's always variation, but i mean enough to matter). I also don't understand how Kineses can make other bikes ok (and previous EG ok?) and not these? and they're not misaligned in other ways? it's odd.

    just confirmed with cranks fitted that i get -12mm, allowing for fork frame is about -8mm off. as that's about 1cm higher than before i'm considering keeping it.

    recap: my 1st frame (first batch of v3) was about 17mm too low, current one (xmas 2012 ish, not sure when made) is about 8mm too low. so you could say it's half as bad. i don't know if they have got better generally or if they're all over the place and it's just the two i've had.
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-27-2013 at 12:32 PM.

  83. #383
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721

    measure i2i?

    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    That was my point... You never know.
    RP23 used to do this after a service, needed to sit and cycle the shock couple times so pressure would equalize both sides of the seal..then redo psi

    shock was at least .5" shorter until you do this

    Oh, friends A-C on Rev is 529mm fwiw

  84. #384
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    I also don't understand how Kineses can make other bikes ok (and previous EG ok?) and not these? and they're not misaligned in other ways?
    Me neither. Odd story.

  85. #385
    J:
    J: is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: J:'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    4,721
    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    Good to know. Thx.
    My bombproof wheels are finally going to the grave... let's see if I can score a pr of 650 to tryout..
    .. x2

  86. #386
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vespasianus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    4,748
    Actually, I wonder how much variation there is in most bike frames. I mean, who really checks their frame as closely as the people have done here. Not saying this is a bad thing, but I don't think this is a problem just with the EG (they just seemed to have screwed up something easy to tell!).

    I can tell you, I looked at a bunch of specialized and trek bikes once and from one bike (Stumpjumper) to the next, the seat angle varied from a half a degree to 2 degrees. I even remember Turner stating (in some thread) that a degree difference is acceptable during production.
    On MTBR, the reputation is infamous.

  87. #387
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Actually, I wonder how much variation there is in most bike frames. I mean, who really checks their frame as closely as the people have done here.
    I usually do check when I get a new frame. Mostly for alignment and good enough facing though. Numbers on geometry had been difficult to check, as most manufacturers do not quote exact specification. Maybe that is the reason? My current frames are all bang on. But I would speculate that I am in a small minority - buying frames separately and building them up myself. I also weight all parts on a gram scale and rebuild forks before putting them on. Not a good example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Not saying this is a bad thing, but I don't think this is a problem just with the EG (they just seemed to have screwed up something easy to tell!).
    They are also brave enough to go to a discussion forum and acknowledge an issue. Props to them, actually.

  88. #388
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    They are also brave enough to go to a discussion forum and acknowledge an issue. Props to them, actually.
    I would agree on that.
    The whole problem started (for me at least) with serious pedal strikes and that was the case for the other guys also I think. I didn't took out of the blue a string and started to measure around.
    I was reading this forum occasionally because I knew that Brant is an active member which is a big plus to have a conversation with the designer when needed. And for me leaving in Greece and being the only one with a Titus here means that I didn't have the opportunity to share my thoughts and compare my frame with other guys.
    So when these think came up one think lead to another and here we are...
    Not a number phyco.... Just trying to enjoy my ride even more.
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  89. #389
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    105
    I bought the last new batch Super Raw frame only a couple of days ago. I have not built it up yet but was promised by the guys at On One that this recent batch should have all the changes to the bb height in place.

    I was told to build it up and before riding check it out via the string method. I honestly don't know if I can be bothered with the hassle or should just send it back after Smiff's findings. The frame was bought to be used in the Trans Provence race in October and I would prefer it to be bang on. I doubt a mere mortal like me will ever get the chance to enter this race again!

    I know Brant is racing the Strafpuffer 24 hr race this weekend but I would be interested to know this thoughts on the recent findings by Smiff.

    Lee.

  90. #390
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by leejords View Post
    I was told to build it up and before riding check it out via the string method.
    You would only need to install lower headset cup and crown race to do a check, wouldn't you?

  91. #391
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,842
    Back from puffer.
    In the bath.
    Back at work tommorow.
    Sales order numbers help in tracking stuff down.
    My email brant at on one dot co dot UK

  92. #392
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    fair point Vespasianus, it's just that when replacing frames i feel they really need to be careful that things are right! it's really disappointing to have similar problem again.

    way back here i said i'd be happy with an extra 1/2" an inch that's 12.7mm. now i've got +10mm. i guess i'll be happy with that (even if it's still however much, not much, below the spec).

    and yeah it's about the ride not the numbers, but every time you catch a pedal by a few mm, so you get reminded.. i want a bike i'll enjoy for years i'm not someone who switches bikes around a lot.

    edit: hi brant, there's no immediate crisis here just stuff you already know about. also.. can't imagine riding for 24 hours that's insane, well done.
    Last edited by Smiff; 01-27-2013 at 03:36 PM.

  93. #393
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    105
    Axe,

    I already have a fantastic AM frame that is mint with a CCDB and has gone with me everywhere. Alps, Whistler you name it. The thing is its a beast and even with extensive weight reduction it will be too much bike to take to the Trans Provence. Also, you mention just putting the lower part of the headset in and adding the forks. I don't have a parts bin sat to one side or kit ready for a new build. I would need to take the lower cup out of the frame and have it pressed in to the new one and I don't own a headset press. I wouldn't mind if there was a guarantee that it would be right but it seems its a lottery. So the bottom line is I would have to partly dismantle a bike that is in constant use, possibly pay to have the headset swapped over, to check an issue that One One promised me had been sorted. I even drove to them to pick it up which is 100 miles from where I live to give them the opportunity to test it while I was there, but they said they were too busy and it will be fine. Also I have a 170mm Marzocchi Rc3 ti so would be entering into the world of adding and subtracting to work out the difference. Surely this would have been easier for On one to check with an in stock 160mm?

    Let me say though that I am a big fan of One One. My missus is an Elite XC racer and uses a Carbon Whippet and I have a Rockstar that helped my team win this years Mountain Mayhem. I think that its fantastic to have Brant come on here helping owners after a 24 hr race and all the times previous, however with this I think certain members of staff at the company have become too complacent about the issue. For the sales staff to tell you that everything has been checked and the new batch are fine to then saying when you arrive that you will have to check it when you get home is unacceptable to me.

    Finally,
    Brant, well done on the puffer! Last time I looked you were doing a grand job in the pairs. Hope your drive chain made it through

    All the best,
    Lee,
    Last edited by leejords; 01-27-2013 at 10:11 PM.

  94. #394
    Axe
    Axe is offline
    Custom User Title
    Reputation: Axe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    7,233
    Quote Originally Posted by leejords View Post
    I already have a fantastic AM frame that is mint with a CCDB and has gone with me everywhere. Alps, Whistler you name it. The thing is its a beast and even with extensive weight reduction it will be too much bike to take to the Trans Provence. Also, you mention just putting the lower part of the headset in and adding the forks.
    Some cheap lower cup is like $20. You can press it in with a thin piece of wood and a small hammer in about 40 seconds. Seriously. Just lube it up and knock it in. Never a slightest problem.

    Looked at your profile - that Orange is a sweet bike. But I do hate high single pivots. I currently ride a 170mm both ends, with Lyrik coil DH and CCDBA - I would not switch it for anything just to shave two or three pounds... I wish I could take it on such a ride. Maybe I should go for one of their supported tour over that route... Hmmm..

  95. #395
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,842
    . I even drove to them to pick it up which is 100 miles from where I live to give them the opportunity to test it while I was there, but they said they were too busy
    Sorry to hear that. I will discuss this with staff today.

  96. #396
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    105
    Cheers Brant,

    Axe,
    That sounds like a sweet build! Bet it rides real nice. This has been one of the hardest decisions ever going for a different frame but it hasn't been taken lightly. Spoke to a mate who rode it last year and Ed Oxley and both agreed that an Alpine would be hard work for a week of 1500m daily ascents.

    I just can't get it under 30 lbs without paying more than what it costs for the El Guapo frame. To take the Orange under I would need carbon wheels, which is madness when I already have Crossmax Sx wheels on there. Crazy to think you can get a frame and CCDB Air for half the price of a set of Gucci hoops. I do love On One for there more than fair pricing.

  97. #397
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    105
    Have managed to talk a mate who is a bike mechanic to come round this afternoon and help me get this thing measured out.

    Amazing what people will do for the promise of beers and dinner.

    Wait out for results

  98. #398
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    306
    test it just doing what i did a couple of pages back (i put both headset cups in and stem to hold it together, you have to get fork straight, in the headtube and across the frame. i have a proper headset press now which is being used a lot. don't need to fit a bb or anything else) should only take half an hour to check. there's a fair chance your frame is close enough? i dunno, they aren't all bad apparently..

  99. #399
    mtbr member
    Reputation: George Gr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    358
    So, any formal answer regarding the issue?
    Is the problem solved or not?
    "Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" Ralph Waldo Emerson

  100. #400
    mtbr member
    Reputation: brant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,842
    Quote Originally Posted by leejords View Post
    Have managed to talk a mate who is a bike mechanic to come round this afternoon and help me get this thing measured out.

    Amazing what people will do for the promise of beers and dinner.

    Wait out for results
    Your frame is from the new batch.

    We have not found a frame from this batch that has BB height issues.

Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst 12345678 ... LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 3

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •