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    right, it we take your fork as 8mm shorter than a Revelation, your frame is roughly 13mm lower than spec i think.
    either way, running that much drop is going to be difficult for a lot of riders. it's similar to my first frame. i would return that.

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    Why is bottom bracket height on my new EG V.3 so low?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    right, it we take your fork as 8mm shorter than a Revelation, your frame is roughly 13mm lower than spec i think.
    either way, running that much drop is going to be difficult for a lot of riders. it's similar to my first frame. i would return that.
    Revelation is 545mm (or 540?) so he's not just only 8mm lower than the rev.... Plus the external cup.
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    nah Lyrik160 is 545. rev150 is 529.
    i should base all on Lyrik since thats the EG stock fork, i'm just more used to the Rev. so his frame is worse than 8mm out, i think 13-14mm. not sure what Brant said was "too low" (did he ever give a number?) but i wouldn't accept anything over 10mm. my new one is marginal. using a shorter fork add to the problem sure, but isn't an excuse.

    hmm now i read that, why is a 10mm more travel RS fork 16mm longer, because it's for DH, taller crown or something? i can't get a very big front tyre in my rev, which is another bummer. my old Pike Uturn 90-140mm can take huge front tyres..
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    Does anyone knows if the ISCG tab offset has been corrected and the new february batch frames will be fine about that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingleman View Post
    Does anyone knows if the ISCG tab offset has been corrected and the new february batch frames will be fine about that too?
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    ISCG offset is not revised on EG26.

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    just measured my frame after building up, i get a bb height of 12.75" with a big Advantage 2.25 rear. i'd calculated 12.8" so that's close, slightly lower than i expected still.. should be something i can deal with 170 cranks and thin pedals.
    this should all be with rear shock hole right?

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    Uhhh, my V2 with external lower headset cup and Lyrik 160mm is 13.5 inches, 13.25 with zero stack lower headset cup, which is all below spec for a V2 anyway. Regardless of your fork choice , I think your bike is too low to pedal in the rocks, even with 170 cranks and thin pedals, which I have too. I think Brant owes you a new frame.
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    well Brant himself doesn't owe me anything
    you are right though. i'm not sure yet, came to post something else!

    Only had 2 rides on replacement frame so far. noticed something interesting today: I can ride no-handed on this one, couldn't before.

    few possibilities:

    1) it's all in my head.
    2) HA is slightly different and that's enough to notice.
    3) old frame was off laterally.

    old one always felt like it was flopping to the side (either side), this doesn't. all other parts are same: bar, stem, fork, wheels etc. dunno, it could just be me, thought it was worth mentioning though.

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    Lower BB would in previous would also have a symptom of having a slacker head angle. So the steeper head angle would react better to hands free especially at low speed.

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    What bb drop should i get using a float 34 160 with an a-c of 539mm and 15mm lower headset cup, if my frame has correct geometry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan.greening87 View Post
    What bb drop should i get using a float 34 160 with an a-c of 539mm and 15mm lower headset cup, if my frame has correct geometry?
    only around 2-3 mm i'd have thought? someone check this i'm pretty tired..

    yeah i think this is right, your fork is 6mm shorter than lyrik so around 1/3 of that in bb drop difference.

    use the string method. if you have more than (this is my opinion) 9mm drop send it back.
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    I am on an EG with a Vengeance 170mm , 2.25 Nobby Nics front and 2.1 Rocket Ron rear. what should i expect from my BB height with these setup?

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    With the longer fork I would guess you would have only a few mm BB drop. Although you didnt mention if your EG was a V3 and if you had an external cup headset.

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    best to ask about bb drop, not height. explained a while back.
    with a 170mm fork you should probably get over 13.3" height? but it depends..

    bb height variables (bike must be level side-to-side and on level ground, measure vertical from centre of crank axle to ground)
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    the frame geometry
    rear shock extension and pivot hole
    headset lower cup height
    headset angle (assuming not an angleset)
    fork a2c (assuming max. fork extension).
    front tyre max tread height
    rear tyre max tread height


    bb drop variables: (put string axle centre to axle centre, measure string to crank axle centre).
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    the frame geometry
    rear shock extension and pivot hole
    headset lower cup height
    headset angle (assuming not an angleset)
    fork a2c (assuming max. fork extension).


    anything else i've missed?
    things that don't matter: headset top cup, wheel size (tyre size takes care of this).

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    With the longer fork I would guess you would have only a few mm BB drop. Although you didnt mention if your EG was a V3 and if you had an external cup headset.
    Mine is a V3, got the frame about mid 2012. With the deeper reamed top head tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpies14 View Post
    Mine is a V3, got the frame about mid 2012. With the deeper reamed top head tube.
    Question to ask is how often your striking the pedal badly.
    .. save for the chunky rock section of Kiara DH line in your hood or similar -- general trail riding shouldn't be an issue imo.

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    i had something odd happen on Friday. hopping off a kerb, gut my toe stuck between pedal and road. slid shoe along and ok, but that could have been a broken ankle. I must learn to drop heels before landing...

    so, yeah. it's not just rock strikes. i also need to firm up my fork..

    hopefully this gave someone a laugh
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    starting to like this bike quite a bit more (replacement frame with about 8mm bb drop).

    here's what i've done this week:

    1) move shock to progressive/forward hole. seems to help keep it supple in small stuff and also stops it going so deep so easily. this is still with the Monarch RT3 and my riding "should" suit the the back one, but whatever.
    2) change back tyre to a Smorgasboard 2.25 with soft edges. liking this much more than expected, it's big and grippy and works in mud much better than Advantage i used to use.
    3) few more psi in both tyres
    4) increased fork (Rev 150mm) +ve pressure from 90psi to about 110psi (top of the recommended for my weight). helps ride higher and something to push against in corners.
    5) shortened the chain. this is interesting, all kit is off old frame so kind of suggests the chainstays are shorter on replacement frame (?!). dunno never measured them sorry :/ but chain was wrapping onto itself on the mech i.e. mech running out of capacity which didn't happen before..

    still getting pedal strikes, but usually i know why now and can expect them, so it's not "why the f**k did that happen" very often.

    on downside.. bike is kind of too good, lets me bash through anything here with little technique !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    starting to like this bike quite a bit more (replacement frame with about 8mm bb drop).

    here's what i've done this week:

    1) move shock to progressive/forward hole. seems to help keep it supple in small stuff and also stops it going so deep so easily. this is still with the Monarch RT3 and my riding "should" suit the the back one, but whatever.
    2) change back tyre to a Smorgasboard 2.25 with soft edges. liking this much more than expected, it's big and grippy and works in mud much better than Advantage i used to use.
    3) few more psi in both tyres
    4) increased fork (Rev 150mm) +ve pressure from 90psi to about 110psi (top of the recommended for my weight). helps ride higher and something to push against in corners.
    5) shortened the chain. this is interesting, all kit is off old frame so kind of suggests the chainstays are shorter on replacement frame (?!). dunno never measured them sorry :/ but chain was wrapping onto itself on the mech i.e. mech running out of capacity which didn't happen before..

    still getting pedal strikes, but usually i know why now and can expect them, so it's not "why the f**k did that happen" very often.

    on downside.. bike is kind of too good, lets me bash through anything here with little technique !
    I am glad you finally starting to enjoy the bike with one way or another!
    I order a smoothie mixer headset last week in order to check it over the slackset. I will measure before and after BB height cause I am really curious.

    For now I am too enjoying the Guapo!!!

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    yeah the bike takes to the air really well, doesn't feel like it's going to throw me forward like most others i've ridden. though i'm going to have a nasty accident one of these days by being overconfident and going too fast.

    also running a bigger back tyre than front now looks odd, but again whatever it seems to work!

    long term, i might look at a bigger fork but not for now, and the Rev is nice and light for all the climbing i do.. head angle feels about right now, i think my first one was too slack as brant said, this is ok (with 50mm stem).

    So yeah.. don't forget the basics like tyre pressure and shock pressure!

    Those cable clips aren't working, lost 2 today, back to zip ties..
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    Hey Smiff,

    What do you recon the HA is with the rev. I'm planning on running a sektor in the EG.
    My guess is 67.5 ?

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    i don't know the a2c on a sektor. but new frame should be pretty much on spec i'd think. i've never managed to get an accurate enough reading of HA, mobile phone apps are not the best

    i do it more by feel.

    not a great answer sorry! i think i'm about done here, got computer and work problems..

    i'll just say if you don't like yours send it back, it's not just pedal strikes and a low bb. my new one, if not 100% right, feels a hell of a lot better and i haven't become a much better rider in a few months
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    thanks Smiff.

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    Hi
    Need a little help. I have an El Gapo that I got last November it is set up with
    Bos Deville 160 forks a-c 545mm,
    Hope headset 15mm stack I think,
    I have changed my cranks to a 170mm but still seem to get peddle strikes.
    Tried the string method and wonders what you guys think
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuelf View Post
    I have changed my cranks to a 170mm but still seem to get peddle strikes.
    Tried the string method and wonders what you guys think
    I would have replaced it. No idea how folks ride with BB that low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I would have replaced it. No idea how folks ride with BB that low.
    I agree, the string shows it to be way to low. Sorry for what you have to go through to get it taken care of. You'd think that Titus would have rounded up all the bad frames by now, BEFORE they were passed on to unwary consumers.
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    i just did the string test and this is what i got. now i'm really curious.




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    those are some seriously thin pedals.
    but yeah, if fork is around 545mm a2c, that's low.
    try to take picture looking straight down crank axle, ideally with a tape measure between string and bike..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiff View Post
    those are some seriously thin pedals.
    but yeah, if fork is around 545mm a2c, that's low.
    try to take picture looking straight down crank axle, ideally with a tape measure between string and bike..
    Ah... ok. According to this, my fox float 36 rc2 a2c length is 545.3 (mine is lowered to 160mm).

    I took a measurement before about a month back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenny78 View Post
    now i'm really curious.
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    what exactly is it you're really curious about?



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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
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    If it's actually a real problem. Anyway i have sort it out with the on-one guys, seems like
    it is up for a replacement. Very prompt response from them about this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I agree, the string shows it to be way to low. Sorry for what you have to go through to get it taken care of. You'd think that Titus would have rounded up all the bad frames by now, BEFORE they were passed on to unwary consumers.
    I am definitely wondering if this came after the new QC... had one of the best 20 mile rides ever yesterday, EG completely dialed.. hope this gets back on track

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    Titus El Guapo Frame with Rockshox Monarch RT3 Shock

    afaik no one has a new QC frame yet, since they aren't out the container yet?
    so anyone with a correct geo v3 is
    1) lucky or 2) had one hand picked or something or 3) hasn't used a measure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I agree, the string shows it to be way to low. Sorry for what you have to go through to get it taken care of. You'd think that Titus would have rounded up all the bad frames by now, BEFORE they were passed on to unwary consumers.
    Thanks I have already sent these pictures to on one a week ago but they have not got back to me.
    Bit annoyed that they have not even acknowledged my email I will have to call them tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I would have replaced it. No idea how folks ride with BB that low.
    I cant ride with bb this low unless its down hill with no pedaling.

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    my size large delivered just before xmas comes in on axle centre (+/- 1-2mm). Using the good ole tape measure i get 335mm (13.2") running fox 36 float with smoothie headset and maxxis minion 2.35s. So i guess they are not all bad (or i was just lucky). I think Brant said anything over 1/4 inch out of spec (6mm or so) would be deemed questionable and as such out of tolerance.

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    I need to check mine...i've ruined the clips on my Time pedals from running them into the ground/obstacles (something I never had a problem with on my old Banshee Spitfire). Time to bust out the measuring tape and string.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I need to check mine...i've ruined the clips on my Time pedals from running them into the ground/obstacles (something I never had a problem with on my old Banshee Spitfire). Time to bust out the measuring tape and string.
    why bother w/ the string?? just measure the BB height. that string business is just a ruse from Brant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I need to check mine...i've ruined the clips on my Time pedals from running them into the ground/obstacles (something I never had a problem with on my old Banshee Spitfire). Time to bust out the measuring tape and string.
    that's weird, it's not like the spitfire doesn't have a low bb. must ride firmer pedalling than the el guapo which makes sense as it is a mini link with some pedal feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
    why bother w/ the string?? just measure the BB height. that string business is just a ruse from Brant.
    WTF are you talking about? BB drop is what you measure, it is the property of the frame. And string method is the way you do it. BB height is affected by tires.

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    Here's my EG:







    Vitals: medium EG, ZS cane creek headset, 160mm marzocchi 55, and 2.1 Schwalbe Racing Ralphs.

    I love the bike and it rails on the smooth singletrack but both my Time pedals now only offer 1 sided entry because the clips on the other side have been smashed. These pedals came off my previous bike, a Banshee Spitfire (also setup with the same tires, fork, and headset) were pedal strikes were a non-issue. Both bikes ridden the same way, on the same trail. I think I need to look into getting this frame sorted out.

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    when did you buy it?
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    I bought in late July of last year. I believe it was one of the initial batches of frames with the revised geometry/longer toptube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I bought in late July of last year. I believe it was one of the initial batches of frames with the revised geometry/longer toptube.
    I got it in september and it's the same issue as yours. =\

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    Oh god damn!

    Is it just waste of money to buy Titus?,

    I'm now waiting since 14 December my frame to arrive...

    Who wants to quess my EG bb height? I'm afraid that it's too low. My setup is going to be 150mm revelation, headset with 15mm bottom stack height, 175mm cranks, 2,4/2,25" Ardent tires...

    I REALLY hope that new frames are in spec...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    Not sure how that would work?
    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    If the shock mount was pushed forward as suspected, a possible fix would be a longer shock. But it'd be fractions of an inch longer. Not sure if anything other than a custom cut/drilled/ano shaft would be possible.
    Forgot to post this.. more travel works. Recently was tuning and noticed my shock had 6mm of unused shaft hiding behind the seal/bush. Added 4mm ss spacer to extend the shaft, also rebound adjuster, and have enough threads for tightening the bolt. Still have clearance in the shock and the ST : )

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    Hi again.
    Earlier this year I got my exchange back from On One.
    I was running with a slackset and with the new frame I still had 6-7mm BB drop as oppose to the 12mm I had with the old frame.
    My a2c is 556mm (Marz 170mm) but the slackset hasn't got the 15mm external cap so I guess the BB drop was pretty much expected.
    I was curious to see how the bicycle will be and behave with a smoothie headset so -1 degree HA and 15mm more rise. So I ordered it and installed it yesterday...
    Bummer...
    I still have about 5mm drop! I am 11mm higher that the "model" used for measurements and I am still with a BB drop. Not even on center...
    Any ideas...?
    More money spend (aka smoothie) same result....
    I am starting to feel a bit disappointed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I bought in late July of last year. I believe it was one of the initial batches of frames with the revised geometry/longer toptube.
    you certainly put in the time to see if it was gonna work for ya. would you expect to be satisfied w/ 13.4 BB as listed nowadays? when you bought it , were you expecting 13.8?
    good luck w/ the tradein or refund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
    you certainly put in the time to see if it was gonna work for ya. would you expect to be satisfied w/ 13.4 BB as listed nowadays? when you bought it , were you expecting 13.8?
    good luck w/ the tradein or refund.
    I sent on-one an email and I'll see what they have to say. Initially, I really liked the bike but then started noticing pedal strikes on trails that I've ridden forever (on a banshee spitfire and prior to that a first gen blur) where pedal strikes were never an issue and I guess the final straw was when the pedal strikes mangled the clips on my pedals so bad to turn that each one is only clippable on one side. I would think anything in the low 13" range of bb height would be much, much better.

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    sounds like my story exactly Bill.. they should do you another.

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