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    Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    I'm tempted, but I just built a Lurcher.

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    That frame is gnawing at me... but my full time student status, and part time self employment are holding me back at the moment. I will probably be craigslisting the road bike in a few more days of agonizing over the titus though...

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    i want to order but i want to know first when is the ETA, i called them the other day and no ETA yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsrevo View Post
    i want to order but i want to know first when is the ETA, i called them the other day and no ETA yet.
    We have confirmed shipment details as of today - due date in Portland is December 7th which means that they will ship December 10th barring any delays.
    This first run is definitely going to sell out before they arrive though.

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    I ordered one yesterday. Sold my tallboy to purchase it. Excited to try a hardtail.
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    Any info on what the build weight will come in at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galbraithrider View Post
    Any info on what the build weight will come in at?

    We don't have a weight yet but will strive to get one and get it on the site as soon as possible. Stay tuned.

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    any updated and detailed pics of the frame yet? thanks

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    That's an awesome job Brant!! Looks sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus/On One USA View Post
    We have confirmed shipment details as of today - due date in Portland is December 7th which means that they will ship December 10th barring any delays.
    This first run is definitely going to sell out before they arrive though.
    any update on the frames and new pictures?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsrevo View Post
    any update on the frames and new pictures?

    thanks
    Arrived today. Should ship Monday if you choose to have the decals shipped later. Pics up on face book.
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    Rear hub compatibility ?

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    Regular 135x10mm qr

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    I wanted to buying one until I found out that they were made in china really...How many more jobs are we going to send overseas? It chaps my azz seeing "made in china". Looks like I'm looking at moots or form cycles now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood View Post
    Arrived today. Should ship Monday if you choose to have the decals shipped later. Pics up on face book.
    Can you say what the frames weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcatnau View Post
    Can you say what the frames weight?
    Sorry, I should have clearified. I am a future owner, just was informed they arrived in Portland last Friday. Fed Ex shows mine arriving this Friday. When I get it I will weigh it.

    I did read somewhere on line that it should be about 3 1/2 lbs, not sure what size they were talking about though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood View Post
    Sorry, I should have clearified. I am a future owner, just was informed they arrived in Portland last Friday. Fed Ex shows mine arriving this Friday. When I get it I will weigh it.

    I did read somewhere on line that it should be about 3 1/2 lbs, not sure what size they were talking about though.
    Even better I am curious how the slack HA will handle on a 29er.

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    I saw above that the rear wheel spacing is going to be 135 x 10, but It would be nice if the ad online gave some critical info like rear wheel spacing, and also if the head tube is tapered, 1 1/8, or 1.5. Just some important things to know if you are planning on starting a parts collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pencil_sr View Post
    I saw above that the rear wheel spacing is going to be 135 x 10, but It would be nice if the ad online gave some critical info like rear wheel spacing, and also if the head tube is tapered, 1 1/8, or 1.5. Just some important things to know if you are planning on starting a parts collection.
    Titus Titanium Fireline 29er Frame

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    Just got mine. Even better in person. Comes with the new school headtube badge they posted on facebook. Weighed it on a really crappy scale, 3.5lbs for the 18. I am at work right now, but will shoot some pics of the build tonight.
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    Pics, Pics, Pics

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    Teaser shot.

    Edit: Upload failed at work.
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    So, finally got home. Went to put my seat post in to start the build AND it is not 30.9 like stated. Appears to be 31.6. This really stinks since I have a Thompson and a reverb in 30.9. I really do not want to shim, but?? I will contact Titus on Monday. Another weekend with no mountain bike....
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    That might actually be good news for me. All my other bikes are 31.6 so I can move parts off one to put on one of these. And I shimmed for while with a 30.9 post on one of my bikes, never any issues with post slipping or anything and have lots of friends running shimmed dropper posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galbraithrider View Post
    That might actually be good news for me. All my other bikes are 31.6 so I can move parts off one to put on one of these. And I shimmed for while with a 30.9 post on one of my bikes, never any issues with post slipping or anything and have lots of friends running shimmed dropper posts.
    A shim will not be a big deal. Just bummed because I had time to build it tonight, and now I have to try to source a shim tomorrow. I am in the middle of moving and time is scarce these days.
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    Can of Mountain Dew will work as a shim if your in a pinch and want to ride that bike this weekend! And I want you to ride that bike cause I'm looking forward to a ride review!

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    Curious too

    Quote Originally Posted by galbraithrider View Post
    That might actually be good news for me. All my other bikes are 31.6 so I can move parts off one to put on one of these. And I shimmed for while with a 30.9 post on one of my bikes, never any issues with post slipping or anything and have lots of friends running shimmed dropper posts.
    Debating whether or not to sell my Lurcher which I built a few months ago and get this instead. I'm just curious if the ride is the same as:

    World Exclusive: Report #4: On One Titanium Long Travel 29"er

    I know there are differences between the two but there's a lot of similarities too.

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    The Fireline Evo has no heritage relating to that model.
    Hugely over sized tubing (45 mm diameter down tube, 34 mm diameter)
    Fireline Evo features a 45mm downtube diameter and 38mm top tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood View Post
    So, finally got home. Went to put my seat post in to start the build AND it is not 30.9 like stated. Appears to be 31.6. This really stinks since I have a Thompson and a reverb in 30.9. I really do not want to shim, but?? I will contact Titus on Monday. Another weekend with no mountain bike....
    I am sorry to hear that. We will correct the site if that's the case, as it would appear that it's not been QC'd at goods in and a notice passed to content/preorder customers advised.

    How that has happened, I'll take up with the factory.

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    What is the largest width tire that can fit?

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    Drifting off topic a bit, sort of.

    Short version: How does climbing a hill on something slackish like this compare to doing so on an XC oriented 29er? More specifically, does it require relatively more stamina over a given length of trail?

    I'm not talking about bike weight here, but more about efficiency and comfort. I'm able to stay in shape enough to enjoy 20-30 mile / 4,000' gain rides every weekend, doing so on an XC-ish bike (70/73 angles, 17.3CS, etc). My bike is somewhat slacker than my previous 29er, but certainly not so much as the Fireline EVO. I'm curious about this, but I'm concerned that all things being equal, I'll be less efficient on something this trail-oriented.

    Are my concerns warranted, or is the seated climbing position comparable to less-slack bikes?

    Also, more specific: Does the US dealer have a demo bike available to pedal in Portland, OR? I might be in town in a week or so, and throwing a leg over one would certainly help resolve an concerns/anxieties relating to the proximity of a hands on experience. I'll send a message to inquire, but just wondering if Shiggy or someone else might be able to clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galbraithrider View Post
    That might actually be good news for me. All my other bikes are 31.6 so I can move parts off one to put on one of these. And I shimmed for while with a 30.9 post on one of my bikes, never any issues with post slipping or anything and have lots of friends running shimmed dropper posts.
    Beer can shim, or did somebody finally made a 30.9-31.6 shim.. 31.6 is better, I think.. a tad more choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2x9x29 View Post
    How many more jobs are we going to send overseas?
    On one is a UK company. US is overseas. Old Titus was bankrupt. Did it help any US jobs?

    ...I wish I had a spare $2K to make a political statement, but I would rather keep riding Taiwan made titanium Motobecane (though should move to 29er.. thus looking.) and spend that difference on my kids education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador View Post
    Drifting off topic a bit, sort of.

    Also, more specific: Does the US dealer have a demo bike available to pedal in Portland, OR? I might be in town in a week or so, and throwing a leg over one would certainly help resolve an concerns/anxieties relating to the proximity of a hands on experience. I'll send a message to inquire, but just wondering if Shiggy or someone else might be able to clarify.

    Cheers.
    We just received the frames in our Portland facility.
    We will definitely be building one up to have in our showroom/demo, but unlikely that it will be completed this coming week.
    What size would you be interested in?
    By all means, come by and take a look a the frames though.

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    Ride review please... Anyone?

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    West wood, have had a chance to ride it yet? Impressions?

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    We'll post some detailed shots of our test build on our Facebook page this afternoon.

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    Here is mine, pic taken on a very wet day in the UK!


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    Titus should keep the frame without stickers: it looks awesome. What chainguide is that? MRP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugs View Post
    Here is mine, pic taken on a very wet day in the UK!

    How's the ride?

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    I did a ride review here on page 9

    Chainguide is Superstar (its getting replaced though as rubbish!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugs View Post
    I did a ride review here on page 9

    Chainguide is Superstar (its getting replaced though as rubbish!)

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    Hey, your fork has turned to black!

    It's a 20", right? How tall are you? How's the fit? I'm 1.83 tall with long legs: 90cm inseam, 80cm saddle height. I'm considering a 20" with a 60mm stem... what do you think? I'm also intrigued by 1x10, but I don't know if my trails/style/shape are suited to that gearing. Currently I have a really low 22x36 on a SJ FSR 29" and I use it quite often on steep and techy singletrack climbs... don't know if a lower front-end and the absence of rear suspension would allow me to stand up on pedals more easily. Are you using a 32t front ring? Is there any way to use a 28t-30t chainring (apart from using the supe-expensive XX1)?

    Thank you (and happy Christmas!)

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    Yep its a 20". I am 1.89m with 89 inseam and use 80 cm saddle height. Sounds like Im a bit longer in the torso and you may find the 18" suits better. Try comparing the top tube length with your existing bike.

    Fork changed from a Rev 140 (reduced to 120) to a Sid 120, but the Rev is definately stiffer! I use 24/38 front on my Trance X 29 but the Evo is pretty light (now 25lb 10oz) and climbs well so the high gearing isn't an issue. Yes its a 32T front ring, if you use a SRAM chainset (X7, X9, X0 etc) you can get smaller spiderless front rings that are pretty cool from:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Beer can shim, or did somebody finally made a 30.9-31.6 shim.. 31.6 is better, I think.. a tad more choice.
    use did make one and will again if you place an order. i used a use 31.6mm-32.4mm and just trimmed 4mm off it to make it fit. i read that it would work on a forum somewhere. it did work perfectly and was in stock and cheaper through crc than ordering the 31.6-30.9 through use.

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    ti fireline EVO HT is sick and clean. Very good job. Clever bridge.

    Wondering how could be a 100mm travel 510mm AC on it
    with 2 or 1 chairings of course .... for a fair amount of BB to ground clearance...

    BTW
    is there an alloy HT 29er with...
    you know all these fashion stuff... short CS, slack, etc.. that could handle 100-120 mm fork ...on plan?


    what happened to this?
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    quick help on wheelbase for fireline EVO?

    It would be a great help if one of you lucky guys with the frame would measure the wheelbase on your built bike, any size. Just specify the fork travel and the frame size and I'll work with what you can give and a conversion table.

    Would be a big help.

    Thanks so much and happy holidays.

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    Titus Titanium Fileline Limited Edition 29er Frame

    Save over $300 on 16" and 18" if you're handy with a file.
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    Nice, why do deals like this only seem to come around when your broke?

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    one ordered.... and shipped in four hours

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    Re: Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    starting the build

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    mine arrived - 18" at 3.56 lbs.
    will get my 3x10 m985 xtr and float 140 on it and hopefully hit 25lbs with kings on arch EX.

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    Re: Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    well.... first run with the bike.. it,s a fantastic ride
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    My Fireline Evo Ti LTD 29er

    Hi
    As I have just finished my Fireline Evo LTD 29er I thought I would post a few pics.... Its tubeless & weighs in at 25.06lbs, all up with Stans fluid in the tyres.Its 3x10, as I am used to 3x9, and may go 2x10 in the future with a bash instead of the outer.

    I seemingly can’t post pics here as I don’t have more than 10 postings on this forum……
    BUT If you go to the Singletrack Forum – on the ‘bike forum’ and search ‘Titus Fireline Evo Ti 29er’ I’ve posted some pics on p17.

    On my first real ride - a 14mi loop which I have logged on my Garmin - it has not proved faster than my Titus FTM Carbon - but may just need wearing in a bit and that ride was in the summer!

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    Re: Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    definitely i need more tyre on the front....
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    Hi Jalll

    I have heard of a 69er (29F & 26R) but yours must be a 24F & 29R = 49er??

    John

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    not exactly.....
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    Mine arrived, got built and got thrashed toady and its brilliant......... Love it......


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    Re: Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    more water..... here at barcelona is not the usual....
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    Jallll more pics please and what hubs you using ......?

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    Re: Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    the hubs on the late images were chris king hubs mango with marwiti spokes tai day mango nipples and ztr arch

    today i have tried a more hardcore build...fork at 120mm wheelset hope pro 2, marwiti spokes and flow rims, with ardent rear tyre and hans dampf front.... pufffff

    the shimano front derrailleur needs a bit more tunnig to get more clearance with this tyres.... or get a sram one...

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    Reviving this thread to see if any of you owners have more pics of this frame built. Just found it and very tempted by it, seems to be the perfect HT in my books, the numbers I've wanted, in Ti. Only question whether or not it has sufficient clearance for decent size tyres (2.4" Ardent) and mud clearance? Also, thoughts on the ride quality, lateral stiffness vs vertical compliance etc.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    Thanks for the pics guys, but any ride impressions to share?>?????
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    SuperDrive at low speed and medium speed technical, needs big balls to push faster on fast DH but the wagon wheels smooth it out.
    Playful, fast, fast and responsive. A really great ht and great geometry, but it suits groomers and man made massively IMO.
    Would really suit a pair of hans dampf but you'll have to ditch the front mech....
    If the trails here were buff and dry all year round, there'd be little else to touch it IMHO.

    But my Nicolai still rules in the chop ......

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    Sounds like my kind of fun, I like slow speed, rocky, steep tech Have you ridden any of the other HTs with similar geo like the Paradox, Yelli, Honzo or the like? I've always wanted a Ti bike, but thought I'd have to go custom to get the geo I wanted, but this is pretty spot on. I have a Paradox and what I'm looking for is something of the same feel, juts a little bit less harsh and I figure the Ti and thinner tubing should do that, just was curious how much softer ride it did actually give compared.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks View Post
    SuperDrive at low speed and medium speed technical, needs big balls to push faster on fast DH but the wagon wheels smooth it out.
    Playful, fast, fast and responsive. A really great ht and great geometry, but it suits groomers and man made massively IMO.
    Would really suit a pair of hans dampf but you'll have to ditch the front mech....
    If the trails here were buff and dry all year round, there'd be little else to touch it IMHO.

    But my Nicolai still rules in the chop ......
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    lynx - it replaced my Ti456 [lynskey].

    i'm not noticing any particular harshness, it feels very playful and certainly feels best on steeps and switchbacks , groomers etc.

    geometrically, it's biggest asset is the short CS but of course this limits tyre choice with a front mech fitted.

    QA/QC not the greatest, but mine is the Fileline and TBH, mowt wrong with it - perfect really.

    ISCG, tapered HT, ideal.

    looking forward to more summer / dry weather to get a bit of speed up

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    Bumping this again to ask Brant when he's expecting the new batch to come in and be available? Really stoked on this frame, still love the Paradox, but just sold it for some financial needs and looking to replace with one of these in a few months, eager to see if Ti is all it's cracked up to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Lecht_Rocks View Post
    ... but mine is the Fileline and TBH...
    TBH...what's that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    TBH...what's that?
    It's a new model. It wasn't going to be, but I think that's a great name :-)

    (TBH means "to be honest"... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant View Post
    It's a new model. It wasn't going to be, but I think that's a great name :-)

    (TBH means "to be honest"... )
    Ah...I should have caught that. I just purchased a new Fileline and I was worried there was some other issue that I was unaware of, like maybe "Too Big a Hole" or "Tube Bent to Hell" or maybe even "Too Big Horizontally". lol

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    Fileline HT Prep?

    Did anyone have to prep their head tube? I have a 110 EC49 lower and there is no way it will press in properly without a 20mm deep ream job. Anyone else use a cane creek ec49 or King Inset 3 and NOT ream?
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    Re: Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    i,m using a chris king headset without troubles

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallll View Post
    i,m using a chris king headset without troubles
    Do you recall if the HT looked like it was reamed already from the factory?

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    Sold it already. Not impressed to say the least.
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    Who is ordering a fireline EVO?

    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    Did anyone have to prep their head tube? I have a 110 EC49 lower and there is no way it will press in properly without a 20mm deep ream job. Anyone else use a cane creek ec49 or King Inset 3 and NOT ream?
    I thought those 49mm are 11mm deep cups?

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    digging this thread up! How has a whole year+ gone by and nobodies posted ride impressions or a product review?

    I'm looking for something a little lighter/more XC than my honzo, the fireline evo ticks the boxes, is now available in the US, but there's a serious lack of quality information on this frame. Specifically looking for sizing/fit info and comparisons against other known AM 29'ers.

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    x2 serious lack of quality info..SLOQI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    x2 serious lack of quality info..SLOQI
    What is SLOQI? Oh I get it!

    I'm about ready to take one for the team and just order one up and see for myself.

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    I sold my Honzo to get a TFE for the same reason.

    The frame arrived in a crappy reused box with two pieces of crappy reused cardboard thrown in and a wadded-up 12"x12" piece of bubble wrap for good measure. The frame looked like it survived shipping less a few scratches and bent ISCG tab. Upon further inspection I noticed the HT was slightly ovalized and had an extremely rough inside wall; it was never reamed or faced and no one has that capability around here. Secondly, the ST ID was too large. My Thompson post had zero resistance and even had enough room towards the bottom of the post to rock back and forth. Thirdly, the joints at the ST/TT/CS were not symmetrical (I'm an anal engineer) which caused some concern about failure at that point. I just wrote all of this up as "ya get what ya pay for". Once I managed to get it built up I was not happy with how the bike felt (on not in) and worried if it would hold up overtime.

    Personally, if I were in the Ti trail 29er HT market again I would look more closely at the 420 or a used Raijin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    I sold my Honzo to get a TFE for the same reason.
    Thank you for the info! Sent you a PM for some details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Thank you for the info! Sent you a PM for some details.
    I would try and track down some owners of newer production frames and see if these issues have been rectified. I was quite aware that I was buying a Fileline, but the overall quality was questionable too.

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    Fwiw mine is a fileline and has been superb. Rides like my ti456 but with the benefit of 29", brilliant on groomers ...

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    Hey, I have been meaning to write a review for a while, but have not had the time. Anyway, here goes.

    I purchased the EVO back in February when Planet X has the “Fileline” models available. I wanted to get a 29er hardtail for riding smoother, hillier terrain, and for doing my one race a year (24 hr, 4 man team). The goal was to get something with somewhat slack head angle so that the transition from my Banshee Rune wouldn’t be to different (steering wise, anyway), and reasonably light. I also wanted some thing with short chainstays for handling, and of course a frame that looks sexy too is always nice. I was originally thinking of the Canfield Yelli Screamy because the geo looked good.

    Fortunately, I had the opportunity to demo a few 29ers, Kona Kahuna, Stumpjumper FSR EVO, and the Kona Honzo. I liked the steering of the slack 29ers (Stumpy and Honzo), but I found that on my local trails (all rocks and roots), the Honzo beat the crap out of me. I literally was unable to sit down for even a minute. It was like riding an iron girder. Or perhaps I am complete cream puff. I quite surprised by this, as I have an old Kona Scrap (hardtail) that I take out every once and a while to make sure I don’t get too lazy. The Scrap feels like a magic carpet compared to the Honzo. So I started to think that the Yelli may be too stiff. So I started looking at Ti (Carver420, Kona Raijin). When the “Fileline” deal came up, it checked all the boxes, so I couldn’t pass it up.

    Frame came nicely packed from On-One UK. The seat tube was over sized but I managed to fix that by epoxying a beer can shim to take up the slack. I filed out my brake tab mounts as per their video. Everything else went together just fine.

    Due to financial limitations, I was not able to get the final components for the build until June. I got the EVO built up 2 days before my 24hr race. I rode it around my yard and it seemed nice and snappy. She was light at the pedals and wheelied no problem. The first shake out ride was the pre lap the night before my race. It felt great. Climbed well, felt awesome on the descents, and I managed to get the cockpit setup bang on first try.

    On race day, it was more of the same. By my 4th lap, I was feeling super comfortable on the bike. I was taking every drop/jump with no problems and having a great time. My ass was less sore than the previous year when I took my full squish. Even on my last lap (#7), I was still having a great time, bunny hopping root sections, and really leaning her over in the corners. The race was probably the most fun I have had on a bike in about 4 yrs.

    How it rides. I have it set up with a Revelation set a 130mm with 20mm axle, drive train is 1x9, 30th front, 11-34 rear. I like to stand and climb as it works better for my back, so this set up has been good. At the race, the EVO climbed everything straight no problem seated or standing. Excellent traction with the Kenda Karmas set up tubles, up and over roots no problem. Switch backs were fine seated up to a certain point, and then the bike just wants to really lean over. I found standing while climbing the tight switch backs worked best. I just let the bike lean between my legs and keep pedalling and she would keep going. I was very happy with how she performed.

    Once I got back home, it was time to try her out on the local trails, which are all technical. My first couple of rides in I wasn’t sure whether I was going to like her or not for technical riding, but after about a half dozen rides I was starting to get used to it. For the technical, there are only a couple of issues. For really steep climbs, I find she does want to rear back, most likely due to the short chain stays. The other issue I have had was on technical climbs with multiple steps. She seems to get hung up if the steps are too close. Most likely this is operator error, but there are still have a few climbs I have not been able to do on the EVO that I can do on my Banshee. But, by the end of the season, I was not really missing my full squish.

    So, for me as least, this bike has been everything I was hoping for. She is also the first bike I have had were I am not thinking about replacing her at some point. Hope that helps.

    I will try and post up a pick or two when I can get a chance.

    Cheers

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    Awesome guys, thanks for the info!

    Would you mind posting your heights and sizes? I'm 5-9", 29" saddle height from BB, and leaning towards the 18" (which looks closest to the M yelli screamy on paper).

    I think it's a done deal then, I'll be ordering one up after the holidays. I will plan on doing a thorough QC check before building up, just in case.

    FWIW I've had a long string of AM hardtails- most recently a Medium Yelli Screamy (2 seasons), followed by a small Kona Honzo (built last winter). The Yelli was awesome and I rode the sh*t out of it. The Honzo is super fun, but it doesn't offer any advantages over my Banshee Prime for longer rides/big climbs, which for me is the whole point of owning a hardtail. The Honzo was also an interesting sizing experiment- the "fit" is fine, but with the short stays and stiff ride I find it gets knocked around on rocky high speed stuff. The Yelli was quite a bit more compliant despite being aluminum, and the geometry worked better for long rides.

    Thanks again for the info.

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    Sounds like some things have been ironed out (didn't read through everything in the link). What's the difference between the Fireline and Fileline? guessing it couldn't be a typo at this point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    What's the difference between the Fireline and Fileline? guessing it couldn't be a typo at this point
    Having read through all 24pages of the singletrackworld thread...."Fileline" is what people were calling the v1 Firelines which had some QC issues with uneven brake posts and slightly loose seat tubes. The brake mounts could be fixed by filing hence the name.

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    182cm with 34" inseam on an 18" with 800mm bars and 50mm stem , rides great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Having read through all 24pages of the singletrackworld thread...."Fileline" is what people were calling the v1 Firelines which had some QC issues with uneven brake posts and slightly loose seat tubes. The brake mounts could be fixed by filing hence the name.
    The brake mount's threaded holes where too close together and so the caliper mounting holes had to be made larger with a file in order to fit (shimano brakes, I think, required more filing then others). I also noticed that the brake mounts were not square to the caliper once in place; i.e. the frame's brake tab faces where not on the same plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NslrPrtn View Post
    The brake mount's threaded holes where too close together and so the caliper mounting holes had to be made larger with a file in order to fit (shimano brakes, I think, required more filing then others). I also noticed that the brake mounts were not square to the caliper once in place; i.e. the frame's brake tab faces where not on the same plane.
    hmm I need to do more reading on this then.. that sounds unacceptable

    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    .., but it doesn't offer any advantages over my Banshee Prime for longer rides/big climbs, which for me is the whole point of owning a hardtail. The Honzo was also an interesting sizing experiment- the "fit" is fine, but with the short stays and stiff ride I find it gets knocked around on rocky high speed stuff. The Yelli was quite a bit more compliant despite being aluminum, and the geometry worked better for long rides
    Feel the same way about what a hardtail should be, if it can't handle the rocks then I don't want it (and not a fan of wheelie climbing, too short CS= overhyped). On the fence weather to get steel vs ti.

    btw anyone know how many versions there are of this Fireline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    hmm I need to do more reading on this then.. that sounds unacceptable
    Thats not a knock on the Honzo so much as a glowing endorsement for the Prime. I've ridden mine on the shore, in whistler bike park, lots of DH, but also on overnight XC rides and many big climbing XC days. It's a versatile bike, pedals great and can be built up reasonably light.

    I would say the Honzo (especially the 16" frame for my height) is a "play" bike- fun descender, great jumper and pumptrack bike, as good as a 29'er can be for that stuff. But I have those bases well covered with the Prime, what I want a hardtail for is the longer summer XC rides (Eastern Cascades) with fun geometry. The Yelli Screamy was a better fit for that stuff (though not as good as a jumper as the Honzo). I'm hoping the Fireline is closer to the Yelli Screamy.

    My one reservation at this point is sizing (and funds, it is the holidays!). The Fireline has a long head tube and wacky reach numbers (i.e. the 20" Fireline has a shorter reach than the 16" Honzo?) I have to think the geometry charts aren't correct. The 18" Fireline looks close to the medium yelli screamy (except longer head tube) so I'm leaning that way.

    Plenty of time to ponder my options...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Thats not a knock on the Honzo so much as a glowing endorsement for the Prime. I've ridden mine on the shore, in whistler bike park, lots of DH, but also on overnight XC rides and many big climbing XC days. It's a versatile bike, pedals great and can be built up reasonably light.

    I would say the Honzo (especially the 16" frame for my height) is a "play" bike- fun descender, great jumper and pumptrack bike, as good as a 29'er can be for that stuff. But I have those bases well covered with the Prime, what I want a hardtail for is the longer summer XC rides (Eastern Cascades) with fun geometry. The Yelli Screamy was a better fit for that stuff (though not as good as a jumper as the Honzo). I'm hoping the Fireline is closer to the Yelli Screamy.

    My one reservation at this point is sizing (and funds, it is the holidays!). The Fireline has a long head tube and wacky reach numbers (i.e. the 20" Fireline has a shorter reach than the 16" Honzo?) I have to think the geometry charts aren't correct. The 18" Fireline looks close to the medium yelli screamy (except longer head tube) so I'm leaning that way.

    Plenty of time to ponder my options...
    I edited my post to quote NslrPrtn regarding the brake mount being out of specification. I'd need to find out which version has the straight tabs.

    Yep, it's the 20" I'd be looking at too and rubber clearance.. With you on the other stuff, have those bases covered as well. HT 29er that can crush uphill chunk and bomb the same stuff w/o pinchflatting might be my next go to for when it's blazing hot out. Maybe sshadley or similar mmm
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    Ah gotcha!

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    I like this brant, others over 67.5º = too steep and too expensive

    Keep remembering the tubes on that large Titanium FTM.. so amazing, always wanted it as a 29 hardtail.

    HT looks similar on Fireline...Need Sexy Ti




    *minus the reoccurring quality control issues of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    The Fireline has a long head tube and wacky reach numbers (i.e. the 20" Fireline has a shorter reach than the 16" Honzo?) I have to think the geometry charts aren't correct. The 18" Fireline looks close to the medium yelli screamy (except longer head tube) so I'm leaning that way.
    follow up... michael at Titus/ Planet-X USA was super helpful today and took some measurements for me. Basically confirmed the 18" is the size I am looking for (it's actually got a similar front-center/reach to my small kona honzo).... so the 16" fireline would be shorter than I am looking for.

    He also confirmed the QC issues (loose seat tube, funky brake posts) have been resolved.

    will post an update after the holidays!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    follow up... michael at Titus/ Planet-X USA was super helpful today and took some measurements for me. Basically confirmed the 18" is the size I am looking for (it's actually got a similar front-center/reach to my small kona honzo).... so the 16" fireline would be shorter than I am looking for.

    He also confirmed the QC issues (loose seat tube, funky brake posts) have been resolved.

    will post an update after the holidays!

    Nice. Jealous on the smaller frames overlap @ the HT.. FM do you have a 160mm pike on that Prime? Happen to know if it can be lowered into this AC range w/ solo air spring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    FM do you have a 160mm pike on that Prime? Happen to know if it can be lowered into this AC range w/ solo air spring?
    I've got the 150mm. I am pretty sure the travel can be reduced, but not sure if it can be increased from 150 to 160... don't really feel the need tho. Awesome fork!

    The fireline will get the parts off my Kona, including a 140mm fox 34rlc. I may reduce the travel, will ride it first and then decide. 120 is a sweet spot on 29er hardtail IMO, but it's really about getting the right fork length for handling.

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    Far as the RS tech says, no, only 140mm and 150mm. This move of theirs to Solo Air really does make it more of a PITA to switch travel settings, not to mention the now actual cost of having to purchase separate air springs depending on the travel you want. FYI, from the posts I've read from owners of both Pike and F34's, a 140mm F34 is only a few MM shorter A2C than the Pike @ 150mm, so hardly any effect on geo if you do go for the 150mm PIKE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Nice. Jealous on the smaller frames overlap @ the HT.. FM do you have a 160mm pike on that Prime? Happen to know if it can be lowered into this AC range w/ solo air spring?
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