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    New question here. Titus FTM Carbon - Wheelset, Fork, Headset selection

    *I've posted this on BikeRadar to get some UK specific feedback on some of the components, but assume I will get more/different input from actual Titus FTM owners from this forum.

    I'm planning to purchase one of the Titus FTM Carbon frames (large/silver) from On-One but am struggling with some of the component choices so grateful for advice. (I haven't decided on the size yet and waiting for On One to confirm that I can visit their showroom in Roehampton to check out the bikes before I order)

    Forks:
    How much of a difference does the tapered steerer make for the front end?
    Does it matter if I use the XX fork without XX components e.g. is the XLOC remote handlbar mounted and doesn't need SRAM XX brakes/shifters to be mounted?
    I can't decide between
    Revelation RTL Ti Dual Position Air 15mm Maxle Lite (with 1 1/8 inch steerer) £450
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    Revelation XX World Cup Dual Position Air 15mm Maxle Lite with tapered 1 1/8 to 1.5 in steerer £599

    Wheelset:
    I think the On One wheelset would be cool to go with the bike Silver/Blue if I got matching blue hub and white rim - but these are new wheels and I'm concerned about durability.
    So it's either
    On One MAX Wheelset £259.99
    Hope Pro 2 Blue hubs with white Stans Crest and DT Rev spokes (~£350)
    Superstar Switch Evo blue hubs with white Stans Crest and SAPIM Double Butted spokes (~£275)

    Headset:
    I want a Chris King headset but just can't figure out which one goes with the Titus FTM Carbon - is it the inset model 1 1/8 to 1.5?

    Groupset:
    I'll hold off for the 2012 XT to be available and want to run a 2x10 setup. Heard I need to watch the Q factor and keep it around 165.
    Rest of components I'm not too bothered about...

    Thanks for feeddback or other ideas...

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    I'd also like to know which headset to go with. The titus page says they use a CK inset.

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    Yeah I'm still confused about which headset - especially how to source in the UK.

    Update from Thomas from On-One's website: (commenting on the on one smoothie mixer headset)
    "Sorry guys, you can't use this on an FTM Carbon, thought it will work on the Aluminium FTM. The only headset we know that definately works on an FTM Carbon (as in we have tested it) is an FSA NO.42/CF/ACB which we are trying to source stock of from FSA at the moment. More at http://www.fullspeedahead.com/products/327/025100_NO42CFACB"

    http://on-one.co.uk/i/q/HSOOSMTAPER/...apered-headset

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    lots of questions

    I may have to move to the UK to help you guys out.

    I mostly use any Cane Creek headset with an i (Italian) after the name. 110, IS81, IS3-1.
    Also FSA Italian.

    The Fox Talas 140 RLC QR15 tapered would be my first choice. I know where to get the OEM version that came with the FTM Carbon. 3 positions, but no remote. $550.

    XX hydraulic is a nice feature and works with any brakes/shifters.
    I would want tapered and thru axle on this bike.

    SRAM has the right Q-factor (166) for the bike. Also has color coordinated drivetrain.

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    Bikerbob,

    Would this Pro RMI integrated headset work?

    http://www.pro-bikegear.com/publish/...-PRHS0001.html

    I can't seem to find exact dimensions of it :/

    Also, I can't seem to find much info on the Pro brand, besides it is a Shimano company.

    Thanks,
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    I have one of the FTM carbon frames on order from On One too. I have bought the hope tapered headset for mine I believe this is the correct type for fitting a tapered fork.

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    Hi Chris - have a frame on order too - apparently they should have them in the next day or two. As I understand it the hope tapered headset is internal i.e. semi-integrated rather than integrated so may not be suitable. May be worth calling Hope as they may be able to mix and match parts from their integrated headsets instead (or I could be wrong and you may be ok!)

    I have spoken to on one and the FSA Orbit CF40 differentiated headset (FSA CF40 No.42 / 52 ACB headset) will be ok - I've googled it and its widely available although on one will have some in stock soon

    Also I believe from Cane Creek the following combination should be ok - you can order direct from their site...

    http://canecreek.com/component-heads....IS52%20Bottom

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    Thanks for the info razz having looked at the info you provided it would seem I do have the wrong one! I have found that Evans Cycles sell the Cane Creek parts suggested so I might get them from there.
    Last edited by chris2407; 05-05-2011 at 04:58 PM.

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    Chris and ridin8ude - what wheels did you go for in the end?
    I've gone for the grey / blue frame so would love to get some of the crank brothers cobalt wheels to match but they are so expensive. may get merlin to build some white ztr arch's wih blue hope hubs instead.
    gone for the talas 150's - arrived yesterday
    merlin also had a great deal on xt groupset a couple of weeks ago so went for that so just need to decide on stem, seatpost and bars - depends if i go down the hope or crank brothers route i think. what have you gone for?

    Chris - good spot on the cane creek stuff - i'll probably go for that too and i went for the planet x fork bung... http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/...ng-mk-2---11-8

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    Well i've also ordered the FTM Carbon in Black and plan on this Spec

    Forks-Rockshox Revelation dual air 120mm -150mm
    Drivetrain - Full Sram XX
    Bars- Monkey Lite Carbon
    Brakes- Hope M4's 160mm Front 140mm Rear (Rotors are Gold but may change to Red or BLack)
    Stem - Hope XC ( Gold but may change to Red or Black )
    Wheelset - Bontrager Rhytham Comp ( will change at later date )

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    I'm getting a silver/blue frame in large. I've gone for the following spec:

    Wheels: American Classic Disc tubeless
    Fork: Rockshox Revelation RLT 140mm 15mm thru axle
    Drivetrain: Shimano XT 10 speed with XTR shifters
    Brakes: Shimano XTR trail 180mm rotors front & rear
    Bars: Controltech carbon fibre 710mm width

    I've haven't got the stem and seatpost yet i'm going to buy them when I get the frame so I can accurately gauge what I need - i'm tall so fit is going to be quite important. I'll probably go Thomson for both though.

    The cobalt wheels do look good and they are on offer at Chainreaction at the moment but i've heard that the bearings on earlier models were pretty terrible. The American Classics don't really match the frame with their red hubs but they are very light for the money so I have high hopes for them.

    Madmick that build of yours is going to be super light!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris2407
    The cobalt wheels do look good and they are on offer at Chainreaction at the moment but i've heard that the bearings on earlier models were pretty terrible.
    Deals can be found on them if you search, especially since CB just unveiled their whole new line at Sea Otter. I really like mine. They seem like an excellent balance of light weight and stiffness. I have heard that the first generation did have some rear hub issues, but I think by now most of those have filtered out of the market.

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    Yeah hope it will be pretty light as at this moment in time i have a Trek Ex8 which i'll be stripping down and use most of the parts for the FTM and that weighs in at 27.6 lbs

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    I've also ordered a medium frame from on-one, most of the parts are stripped from my current bike, a giant trance x2, only the headset and fork are new.

    fork: Fox 32 Talas FIT RLC 150
    headset: FSA Orbit CF-40 ACB
    drivetrain: XTR/XT mix with XT shifters
    brakes: Avid Elixir CR 203/180mm
    wheels: WTB Laserdisc Trail

    dunno about the weight, I'm looking more for durability than an extra-lightweight build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahdog31
    Deals can be found on them if you search, especially since CB just unveiled their whole new line at Sea Otter. I really like mine. They seem like an excellent balance of light weight and stiffness. I have heard that the first generation did have some rear hub issues, but I think by now most of those have filtered out of the market.
    Good to hear you've had a good experience with them - it looks like Chain Reaction and ebay look the best bets on price. I saw the new wheels on the Crank Brothers site - some new colours but no doubt no discounts on those for a while. Do you know if there's any way to tell if the wheels are the 1st gen ones? I was looking at the blue ones - not sure if they were available from the start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roliK
    I've also ordered a medium frame from on-one, most of the parts are stripped from my current bike, a giant trance x2, only the headset and fork are new.

    fork: Fox 32 Talas FIT RLC 150
    headset: FSA Orbit CF-40 ACB
    drivetrain: XTR/XT mix with XT shifters
    brakes: Avid Elixir CR 203/180mm
    wheels: WTB Laserdisc Trail

    dunno about the weight, I'm looking more for durability than an extra-lightweight build.
    i'm sure it will be lighter than the trance anyway. i have a trance 2007 and think its built of lead

    fingers crossed the frames will be here soon

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    i have a FTM on order as well i would like to use a non tappered fork.
    can someone help me out my head hurts

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    For those who are still wondering. Titus has put up a detailed pdf for choosing the headset for the X Carbon and the FTM:

    http://shop.titusti.com/titus_headse...carbon_FTM.pdf
    Titux X Carbon 2010 race 9.93kg
    Titux X 2009 "Deore 2012" training 11.55kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_razz
    Do you know if there's any way to tell if the wheels are the 1st gen ones? I was looking at the blue ones - not sure if they were available from the start?
    Blue was the first color available, followed by black and champagne, then the special OEM colors (red, silver, etc.). That said, they kept making blue all the way through, so if you get a used set of blue ones I suppose it's possible to get a 1st gen. set. Not sure if you can identify a 1st gen set without opening the freehub.

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    How to tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeahdog31
    Blue was the first color available, followed by black and champagne, then the special OEM colors (red, silver, etc.). That said, they kept making blue all the way through, so if you get a used set of blue ones I suppose it's possible to get a 1st gen. set. Not sure if you can identify a 1st gen set without opening the freehub.
    I am closing out some blue ones. Thye are second generation. You can tell by removing the cassette body. Updated item is hexagonal (octagonal) and does not thread on. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com
    I am closing out some blue ones. Thye are second generation. You can tell by removing the cassette body. Updated item is hexagonal (octagonal) and does not thread on. ...
    Thanks for clarifying, Bob! You rock, dude.

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    For anyone who has ordered a FTM Carbon from On-One in the UK before 18th April
    The shipment has arrived and the the lucky one will have it shipped out today.

    I'm one of Lucky few

    Just hope the headset comes soon so i can start to build it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com
    I am closing out some blue ones. Thye are second generation. You can tell by removing the cassette body. Updated item is hexagonal (octagonal) and does not thread on. ...
    thanks - i managed to get some from ebay and the guy confirmed they were the latest production run - will double check when i get them now i know what to check for

    i just got the email saying my frame has been shipped too - so fingers crossed everything else arrives soon

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    mines on its way tomorrow as well i am still no closer in the headset stakes using a straigher steerer i don't seem to be able to turn the headset finder into somthing i can buy from

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    Quote Originally Posted by LARRYTHELATHE
    mines on its way tomorrow as well i am still no closer in the headset stakes using a straigher steerer i don't seem to be able to turn the headset finder into somthing i can buy from
    I'm with you there! Screw these new fangled headsets! I miss the days of just buying a Chris King no-thread 1 1/8"!

    Here's the bottom part (I think!) based on the pdf (for tapered):
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...d=205%20CACIB1

    They don't seem to have the IS42, but I did find this:
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/224...5%20CAC4T1.htm

    Can anyone tell me if that top one will work?

    /g

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    not sure the bottom will work

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    Quote Originally Posted by gateCrasher
    I'm with you there! Screw these new fangled headsets! I miss the days of just buying a Chris King no-thread 1 1/8"!

    Here's the bottom part (I think!) based on the pdf (for tapered):
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...d=205%20CACIB1

    They don't seem to have the IS42, but I did find this:
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/224...5%20CAC4T1.htm

    Can anyone tell me if that top one will work?

    /g
    the top one won't i don't think. it needs to be the is42 which is the "italian standard" not the is41 which is cane creek standard - its is a slightly different size - a mm out but thats enough.

    i got the top and bottom from evans the is42 40 top and the i1s52 40 bottom. for the straight steerer fork i think you need an is52 30mm or i believe you can get the is52 40mm and a spacer.

    let me know if you have trouble finding it on evans - i'll find the links

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    @the_razz:

    I can't seem to find the top on Evan's.

    Is this the bottom:
    http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...adset-ec026978

    /g

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    Hi,

    I will get mine in the next day too. Acros advised me that the Acros Aix26(R) would fit. I will see an report the result here.

    Robert

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    Quote Originally Posted by gateCrasher
    @the_razz:

    I can't seem to find the top on Evan's.

    Is this the bottom:
    http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...adset-ec026978

    /g
    hi - looks like top and bottom sold out at evans
    you need this for the bottom if you have a standard 1.1/8 fork though...
    http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...y=memory%20map
    Could be worth googling for that or contacting evans to see when they may get stock

    this is what you need for the top:

    http://www.nationalcycles.co.uk/cane...p-headset-478/

    Hope that helps

    PS my frame delivered yesterday but nobody in so still waiting

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    Well all good here frame arrived yesterday

    Just waiting for headset to arrive so i can get building.
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    shine carbon, yeah!

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    looks good - is the frame as light as you expected?

    apparently mine is in my next door neighbours garage! can't wait to get home to start building it. just waiting for the wheels but may be a little while yet before its all built and ready to ride!

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    and in silver and blue...

    Titus FTM Carbon - Wheelset, Fork, Headset selection-titus.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_razz
    and in silver and blue...

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    damn ... me wants! guess I have to wait 'til next week ...

    is this a medium frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roliK
    damn ... me wants! guess I have to wait 'til next week ...

    is this a medium frame?
    its a large - i measured it up and its about the same size as my large giant trance - i'm 6 ft 2 and it should be about right for me - may use an inline seat post and shortish stem

    before anyone gets too excited about actually riding the bike the headtube on mine needs some preparing for the headset to fit as its not completely circular - so may need to take it to a shop to get it done

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_razz
    its a large - i measured it up and its about the same size as my large giant trance - i'm 6 ft 2 and it should be about right for me - may use an inline seat post and shortish stem

    before anyone gets too excited about actually riding the bike the headtube on mine needs some preparing for the headset to fit as its not completely circular - so may need to take it to a shop to get it done
    Never heard of a h/s not being round. Is it normal to have to do this? How do they do it with carbon fiber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_razz
    looks good - is the frame as light as you expected?

    apparently mine is in my next door neighbours garage! can't wait to get home to start building it. just waiting for the wheels but may be a little while yet before its all built and ready to ride!
    The frame and rear shock is 2.48kg or 5.27lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittzer
    Never heard of a h/s not being round. Is it normal to have to do this? How do they do it with carbon fiber?
    looks like the inside of the head tube where the headset will sit has been finished off with some aluminium alloy but its just not quite round on my frame - a bit of a bulge at one end - guess i could have got unlucky, guess i could file it down but don't want to mess it up!

    apparently its often the case with new frames, and the headset instructions have this part as step one - so must be fairly common i guess. have only ever replaced headsets in old frames and never had an integrated headset either

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    Finally got fed up waiting for On One to put up build kits for the FTM Carbon and took the plunge ordering a large frame. Also ordered the Rock Shox xx world cup as it seems to be a great price even if it is still expensive and picked up their On One Maxle wheelset which just dropped from 259 to 199 squids. (hope the white rims and blue hubs match the frame ok)
    Ordered some super cheap nobby nics from On Ones sale to get me started (hope 2.25's fit ok)
    Ordering canecreek headset from either Wheelie or Evans.

    Then will wait for XT 2012 to be available before I decide what drivetrain and brakes to spring for.

    Now I just need to find a way to hide all the deliveries from the wife...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridin8ude View Post
    Finally got fed up waiting for On One to put up build kits for the FTM Carbon and took the plunge ordering a large frame. Also ordered the Rock Shox xx world cup as it seems to be a great price even if it is still expensive and picked up their On One Maxle wheelset which just dropped from 259 to 199 squids. (hope the white rims and blue hubs match the frame ok)
    Ordered some super cheap nobby nics from On Ones sale to get me started (hope 2.25's fit ok)
    Ordering canecreek headset from either Wheelie or Evans.

    Then will wait for XT 2012 to be available before I decide what drivetrain and brakes to spring for.

    Now I just need to find a way to hide all the deliveries from the wife...
    Hi just to let you know i ordered the crane creek headset parts for a FTM to use with a 1 1/8 steerer fork with Wheelis and they got intouch saying they wont have them in stock till July

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    yeah they told me they won't have the Cane Creek 40 IS52 bottom headset component until August 5th!
    Evan's still has them in stock so going to order there instead...

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    i ordered a set direct from cane creek from the USA that was just over 3 weeks ago and still not here

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    i was wondering about getting an "uppy-downy" seatpost. anybody else thought about getting one? i'm guessing its not possible to get a handlebar mounted lever as there won't be anywhere to route the cable though so may just get the one with the lever on the post.

    the seat clamp is an odd shape too. presume its because its a carbon frame and it increases the surface area to stop you cracking the frame. if i wasn't going to get a joplin seatpost i prefer a qr but not sure if you can get any in that shape or whether a normal one would be ok?

    ridin8ude - i know what you mean about the parcels continuously arriving - its difficult to hide all the boxes

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    my headset has finaly arrived from the US direct from cane creek its finished know, i still need to get a seat and post as i 'borrowed' my wifes from here trance.

    Anyone had a fiddle with rebound on the rockshox it does not seem to have much if any effect in max or min settings?

    it does seem very fast to pedal looking forward to a proper ride tomorrow.

    i think i would like a dropper on the thing.

    i would put up pics if i could figure out how to up load them

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    i've got a reverb ready and waiting to be fitted onto the bike.

    @ Larrythelathe how long did you have to wait ??? i've been waiting a while now

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    i ordered 17/5/11 arrived sat. it appears cane creek forward the orders they get to dealers that have stock.
    It does not come direct from cane creek if that makes sense.

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    larrythelathe - just read on another forum someone reckoned you need a shadow rear mech. did you fit a shadow one or a standard one?

    cheers

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    i just used a normal xt mec

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