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    Titus FTM Carbon - Size headset?

    I've just ordered at FTM Carbon, and are not sure what headset size to get.

    Would the Chris King Inset 1,5 with 44mm upper and 56mm lower cups fit?

    If so, would the Cane Creek AngleSet ZS44 | ZS56 also fit? I know fitting the angleset would most probably void the frame warranty, but I'd like to have the option to fit one if I decide to go for the angleset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilsern
    I've just ordered at FTM Carbon, and are not sure what headset size to get.

    Would the Chris King Inset 1,5 with 44mm upper and 56mm lower cups fit?

    If so, would the Cane Creek AngleSet ZS44 | ZS56 also fit? I know fitting the angleset would most probably void the frame warranty, but I'd like to have the option to fit one if I decide to go for the angleset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com
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    Bob speaks Norwegian? Whoa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilsern
    I've just ordered at FTM Carbon, and are not sure what headset size to get.

    Would the Chris King Inset 1,5 with 44mm upper and 56mm lower cups fit?

    If so, would the Cane Creek AngleSet ZS44 | ZS56 also fit? I know fitting the angleset would most probably void the frame warranty, but I'd like to have the option to fit one if I decide to go for the angleset.

    The carbon FTM takes a tapered integrated 42mm top bearing and standard 1.5incn or 52mm bearing for the bottom.

    http://www.canecreek.com/headset-fit-finder

    Use this headset finder from Cane Creek to know exactly what parts it from them.

    Cheers

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    given that it has an integrated top cup, it looks like the angleset won't be an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclyde2
    given that it has an integrated top cup, it looks like the angleset won't be an option.
    That is correct.

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    Angleset...

    Angleset no, but HAS would do the job.

    It seems like Bob speaks danish rather than norwegian....
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    Mostly Norwegian. I can understand Danish, but hard to pronounce.

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    Sorry Bob,
    I read it and it is written just like you would have written it in Danish...

    Does that mean I can read norwegian??
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    Jeg er ikke sikkert om det.

    Men gratulerer hvis du leser Norsk.

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    Hvis jeg fosta hvad du skriver, betyder det jeg fosta Norsk?
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    Skide godt

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    Meget bra Saar og Bob! Dansk og Norsk er ganske likt lese/skrive.

    Saar has given me an option of having a custom made headset, so I can slacken my headangle by 2 degrees at the most, but I'm gonna go with a 1,25 or 1,5 degrees slack. Saar realy helpful and amazingly quick to reply :-)

    On-one in UK has given me a reply on the correct headset size for all Titus models, and TitusBen, it confirms both your and Bobs size-suggestion.

    Here is the On-one reply

    This is an update of Peters list from Cane creek Headsets using the SHIS system

    http://canecreek.com/docs/Standardiz...ion_System.pdf


    It is easier for the customer to use the Cane Creek Headset finder as Titus Frames have been updated on the CC site.

    This allows the customer to chose a tapered fork or not. Tapered headsets cause confusion

    http://canecreek.com/headset-fit-finder


    SHIS Cane Creek ID for Titus headsets

    EC = External Cup

    ZS = Zero Stack

    IS = Intergrated


    Carbon Frames


    Rockstar Carbon:

    Integrated 42mm top / Integrated 52.1mm bottom

    Cancreek SHIS Code= IS42 / IS52


    FTM Carbon:

    Integrated 42mm top / Integrated 52.1mm bottom

    Cancreek SHIS Code= IS42 / IS52



    X Carbon: Integrated 42mm top / Integrated 42mm bottom

    Cancreek SHIS Code= IS42 / IS42




    Alloy Bikes:


    Rockstar: Zerostack 44mm top / 49.61mm International standard bottom

    Cancreek SHIS Code= ZS44 / EC49


    FTM: Zerostack 44mm top / 49.61mm International standard bottom

    Cancreek SHIS Code= ZS44 / EC49



    X: Standard 33.95mm top/bottom

    Cancreek SHIS Code= EC34 / EC34
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    Kjempe fint.
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    Quick question - would this work?

    cane creek 1 1/8 110 headset (http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=28509)

    with the cane creek 1.5 lower assembly from pricepoint (http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/211...t-Assembly.htm) ?

    If so, which one of these lower components would I select from the pricepoint page? Here is a description of each:

    XXc II Bottom Assembly (HSS2420K)- This fits frames with a traditional (NOT "integrated," "Zero Stack" or "Internal") 1.5" head tube and has a special design that allows the use of a fork with a 1 1/8 steerer tube. It will NOT fit a fork with a 1.5" steerer tube. The cup is made from heavy duty 7075 T-6 aluminum and has a stack height of 11.7mm. This kit includes: bottom cup, 1.5" split lip black oxide bearing, XXc II 1.5" 1 1/8" crown race with integrated seal. Total in-house measured weight for everything is 106g.

    XXc II Flush Bottom Assembly (HSS24030)- This fits frames with a traditional (NOT "integrated" "Zero Stack" or "Internal") 1.5" head tube and has a special design that allows the use of a fork with a 1 1/8" steerer tube. It will NOT fit a fork with a 1.5" steerer tube. Unlike the XXc II, the Flush model fits virtually flush inside the head tube. The result is a very low stack height of only 3.2mm. This hit includes: bottom cup, 1 1/8" angular contact bearing with black oxide steel balls, and an S-Series crown race with seal. Total in-house measured weight for everything is 53g.

    XX II Bottom Assembly (HSS2400K)- This fits frames with a traditional (NOT "integrated" "Zero Stack" or "Internal") 1.5" head tube and is designed for forks with a 1.5" steerer tube at the crown. It will NOT fit a standard 1 1/8" fork. The cup is made from heavy duty 7075 T-6 aluminum and has a stack height of 11.7mm. This kit includes: Bottom cup, split lip black oxide bearing, and 1.5" crown race with integrated seal. Total in-house measured weight for everything is 85g.

    XX II ZS Bottom Assembly (HSS2450K)- This is for frames that take a 1.5" Zero Stack or "semi integrated" lower cup. This cup fits 1.5" or 1.5" tapered forks. It will NOT fit a 1 1/8 fork. The angular contact bearing is fully sealed and is loaded with black oxide steel balls. Total stack height is 3.2mm. This kit includes: bottom cup, 1.5" angular contact bearing and 1.5" crown race with integrated seal. Total in-house measured weight for everything is 57g.

    XXc II ZS Bottom Assembly (HSS2451K)- This is for frames that take a 1.5 Zero Stack or "semi integrated" lower cup and has a special design that allows the use of a 1 1/8 steerer tube. It will NOT fit a fork with a 1.5" steerer tube. The angular contact bearing is fully sealed and is loaded with black oxide steel balls. Total stack height is 3.2mm. This kit includes: bottom cup, 1.5" angular contact bearing and 1.5" 1 1/8" crown race with integrated seal. Total in-house measured weight for everything is 78g.

    1 1/4" IS Bottom Assembly (HSS2462K)- This is for frames with tapered head tubes that use an internal headset (referred to as IS or "integrated") that has a 1 1/4" (1.25") lower cup. This will only fit forks with a 1 1/4" steerer tube at the crown. It will NOT fit standard 1 1/8" forks. This kit includes: Sealed angular contact bearing with black oxide steel balls and a 1 1/4" alloy crown race with integrated seal. Total in-house measured weight for everything is 35g.

    1.5" IS Bottom Assembly (HSS2460K)- This is for frames with tapered head tubes that use an internal headset (referred to as IS or "integrated") that has a 1.5" lower cup. This will only fit forks with a 1.5" steerer tube at the crown. It will NOT fit standard 1 1/8" forks. This kit includes: Sealed angular contact bearing with black oxide steel balls and a 1.5" alloy crown race with integrated seal. Total in-house measured weight for everything is 40g.
    Thanks!!!!!!

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    No It wont fit, You need to find an integrated headset 34mm / 52mm (upper / lower)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilsern
    X Carbon: Integrated 42mm top / Integrated 42mm bottom
    Cancreek SHIS Code= IS42 / IS42
    This is really confusing. This is the result I got for X Carbon 2010:

    Top Headset:
    SHIS:ZS44 - 1-1/8" ZeroStack (ZS) Threadless
    Bottom Headset:
    SHIS:ZS56/30 - 1.5" ZeroStack (ZS) to 1-1/8" Conversion

    For a X Carbon 2011 which I believe is the same exact frame is:

    SHIS:IS42/28.6|IS42/30 (1-1/8" Italian Integrated IS Standard)

    So which is the right one? What specific Cane Creek model is guaranteed to work when using a Fox F100 RLC + X Carbon 2010 that they're selling on the Titus website?
    Titux X Carbon 2010 race 9.93kg
    Titux X 2009 "Deore 2012" training 11.55kg

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    2010 and 2011 frames are different.
    2010 frame is "matching zerostack" - 44mm / 56mm ID Tapered headtube
    2011 frame is fully integrated design - 42mm / 52mm ID Tapered headtube

    you need a "zerostack 1.5" bottom with 30mm crown race and a 1-1/8" zerostack top.

    I have already designed and manufactured a HAS (www.ofanaim.net/has.html) for the 2010 style headtube.
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    This is the 2010 model being sold on their site. So the 2011 looks exactly the same but with a different headtube?

    Titux X Carbon 2010 race 9.93kg
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    This is like pulling teeth. Either I'm shopping the wrong sites or these are some elusive headsets. I can't seem to find exact measurements of the headsets at the online bike ships I've been shopping at. Could someone please post some links to the exact headset needed for the 2010 FTM carbon (online bike shops)?

    thanks!
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    Did you read all the info in this thread?

    I have them here (Cane Creek 40 series) if you can't find them online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda
    This is the 2010 model being sold on their site. So the 2011 looks exactly the same but with a different headtube?
    That is the current X Carbon (Not the FTM Carbon). It uses a straight steerer fork and an integrated 1-18" headset.

    For the FTM Carbon (tapered head tube) use an IS 1-1/8" top (integrated) and an IS 1.5" bottom (integrated). Different companies have different options for the bottom for straight or tapered forks.

    Yes, the headset "standards" have been very confusing. it is going to be easier as more companies (and e-tailers) adopt the SHIS designations. Details here: http://bicycleheadsets.com
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    Shiggy, so would the Cane Creek 40IS42 work on the Carbon X? Ben recommended the FSA Orbit CF which is for 46 OD headtube.
    Titux X Carbon 2010 race 9.93kg
    Titux X 2009 "Deore 2012" training 11.55kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda
    Shiggy, so would the Cane Creek 40IS42 work on the Carbon X? Ben recommended the FSA Orbit CF which is for 46 OD headtube.
    I ask Ben for the info myself.
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    I've got the FSA ORBIT CE,1-1/8,WHITE 74G,INTEGRATED,CAMPY
    that fits. $35.

    And the white top looks good on the white X.

    Email me if you want one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda
    Shiggy, so would the Cane Creek 40IS42 work on the Carbon X? Ben recommended the FSA Orbit CF which is for 46 OD headtube.
    You are looking at 2 different dimensions. The 42 designates the OD of the bearing. The 46 designates the OD of the head tube not the bearing cup.

    THe 42 OD bearing is the Italian standard. The 41 OD is the Cane Creek standard.

    The X take a 42 top and bottom bearing which the Cane Creek 40IS42 or the FSA Orbit CF is.

    The FTM takes a 42 top bearing and a 52 IS bottom bearing both ACB. Which from Cane Creek is:
    Top Headset:
    SHIS:IS42 - 1-1/8" Italian Integrated (ISi) Threadless
    Bottom Headset:
    SHIS:IS52/40 - 1.5" Integrated (IS)
    Or from FSA it is a Orbit CF 40/ACB (Angular Contact Bearing) top and bottom

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    Anyone whos' after the Cane Creek Headsets in the UK then this place sells them

    https://www.wheelies.co.uk

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    Awesome! Thanks Ben!
    Titux X Carbon 2010 race 9.93kg
    Titux X 2009 "Deore 2012" training 11.55kg

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    i put this comment in another thread after talking to on one re. the ftm carbon...

    Titus FTM Carbon - Wheelset, Fork, Headset selection

    However I wish i'd seen TitusBen's comments first as he says exactly the same.

    On one should be getting some stock of the Orbit CF40 headset soon but they seem to be widely available elsewhere

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    I appear to have found one that will work with straight 1 1/8" forks - an Acros AI-71

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    No. You need a integrated headset, the FTM comes with already pressed-in cups. I have bought this one, fits perfectly: http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/HSFSOCF4...carbon---15-mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonm View Post
    I appear to have found one that will work with straight 1 1/8" forks - an Acros AI-71
    Has this been confirmed? I ended up getting some 1 1/8 Fox Talas forks to use. I need to find a headset that will fit. Ready to build this thing out!

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    yes, AI-71 works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonm View Post
    yes, AI-71 works.
    Which online (US) retailers have them? I checked Jenson, CC, and PP.

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    Any updates on what headset everyone is running?

    I bought the Cane Creek and it is just a pile of s#it. From what I have read all integrated headsets are not flash but this thing has been terrible from the first day I installed it.

    I could never get the play out of it from new without tightening it until there there was that much load on the bearings the bars would barely turn.

    After about three rides it started getting stiff so i pulled it all down and packed it full of grease.
    This didn't help for long and before every ride the bars were stuck and required moving back and forwards a few times.

    Last night i noticed that I had some play again and decided to pull it all down again.
    The top bearing was still pretty good but that bottom was completely shagged. It fell apart in multiple pieces.
    The outer race is still stuck in the bearing cup and I'm not sure how I am going to get it out.
    I might have to make up some funky tool for the puller... I have no idea what to do.. I can see it damaging the bike very easily though. There are no defined edges to grab a hold of.

    I ended up cleaning all off the balls from the bearing and all the other pieces and somehow managed to get it all back together with a bit of new grease.
    It feels horrible and I am not impressed.

    Maybe it is just my experience.. surely everyone else gives there bike a wash and doesn't have the bottom bearing of their headset do this? It didn't feel right from the beginning anyway.

    I'm looking at the FSA now (it was unavailable when I built the bike) I hope that I will have a better experience with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com View Post
    Did you read all the info in this thread?

    I have them here (Cane Creek 40 series) if you can't find them online.
    Hey BikerBob!
    Could you give me a price for a cane creek set to fit my FTM Carbon please? Need shipping to North Wales. You helped me out with hangers a few months back, and right now I have a Hope Set on, but there's a wiggle. Could you quote me for the whole shooting match please? Tired of trying to figure this out by myself and noone else i know has any similar problems. Cheers, Bob, you're a gentleman.
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    40 series is $55
    Priority Mail to UK is $24

    shoot me an email
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