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    New question here. Stinking Tires...

    Now the I have the I9's / 4.2d's on the way, I'd like to start from scratch with a tire setup.

    I had Crossmax SL's for quite a while and now my options have opened up a bit.

    My last set of Conti Vertical's were fair at best. Every Michelin I have ever had was junk.
    The last set I think I liked was the Ritchey Z-max, but that was long ago. I have yet to really dig any tire.

    I would love to hear ya'lls favorite F/R combo. Condition specific or all around.

    I have yet to try any Kenda and would like to giving all the positive feelings. It was a weight weenie thing, but I'm over it.

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    Congratulations on being over a weight weenie.

    I hope it didn't cost too much in therapy sessions.

    However, you will never break the UGI addiction. Not possible with Cool-Aid splashing everywhere around these parts.

    Try Sturdy's in the 2.1 flavour. They roll well, trust me . I prefer 2.25 version.... and I got into them due to a XC endurance person here who is a nutter about them (the 2.1's). And, the 1003 posts Eddie made around mtbr perporting they were some kind of good tyre.

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    GEAX. Hmmmm. Never even on my radar.

    No colored sidewall, right?

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    Nobby Nics 2.25 Snakeskin rear paired to a Nobby Nic 2.4" front if you're on the average trail riding.

    For XC, make the rear a Racing Ralph and mate the front to 2.25".

    Wanna go big??? Make the rear a NN 2.4" and the front a Big Betty 2.4".

    Other respectable options for the front are the Panaracer Rampage, the No-Brainer Kenda Nevegal Stick-E and the already mentioned Sturdy's. Maxxis Minions DHF too.

    For the rear, the Roll-X is hard to beat, as the Nevegal DTC. The Hutchy Spider has crazy traction, but rolls on the slow side. The Maxxis ADvantage and Crossmark look nice too, but I've never been on them.
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    They aren't flamboyant but do the job:


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    Warp,

    Is the NN 2.25 as wide as the Nev 2.1?

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    [QUOTE=All Mountain]They aren't flamboyant but do the job:

    That is one nice ML AM. It matches that floor p e r f e c t l y. I have never even seen
    GEAX tires in a local shop. They're probablly always sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex
    Warp,

    Is the NN 2.25 as wide as the Nev 2.1?
    Yes, they run "one size" small.
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    Dang, All Mountain, that sure is one pretty beeeike. I sure do like them tires. They are the blingiest things on it. Seriously, you can find the Sturdy's online for cheap. Just Google "Geax Sturdy's" and then take your pick. It really is a good tire.

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    Currently Front WW LT 2.55 (real 2.3), great for hardpack/loose dry conditions, nice on baby heads too. Rear: Kenda SB8 in 2.1, rolls fast, grips okay.

    Winter: Nevegal DTC 2.1 front and rear. Always grips.

    I stan all my tires.
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    You ride in Tahoe alot dont you?

    Try WTB weirwolfs 2.1's or 2.3's, they convert to tubeless easier than any other tire, are true to size and last a long time up here in the Tahoe rocks. They are readily available too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    Try WTB weirwolfs 2.1's or 2.3's, they convert to tubeless easier than any other tire, are true to size and last a long time up here in the Tahoe rocks. They are readily available too.
    Yes I do. Anythng that takes a Tahoe beating sounds good to me.

    OT: Can't believe there's a Starbucks going in @ Tahoe City. Didn't think I'd see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    Try WTB weirwolfs 2.1's or 2.3's, they convert to tubeless easier than any other tire, are true to size and last a long time up here in the Tahoe rocks. They are readily available too.

    HATED these tires, better know as scarewolves. Ya, they are fine on rocks, but anyting loose or wet (even worse). worst thing about them, is thier inconsistently....

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    kenda 2.2 cortez dtc, faster/lighter than nevegals but somewhat less absolute traction.

    nice for dryer conditions though.

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    Oh yea, the Sturdy is a dope tire! I've only used my as a rear -- it's by far the best rear tire I've ever used.

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    I have a Specialized Resolution 2.2 on the front (it actually measures much wider), and a Nevegal 2.35 on the back. It works great at Downieville and on much mellower places. The Resolution can pack mud a bit, but it's still a great tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp

    Wanna go big??? Make the rear a NN 2.4" and the front a Big Betty 2.4".


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    AM/FR- Rampage 2.25 rear 2.4 advantage front.

    XC- People will tell me I am a couple cans short of a sixpack, but I love my IRC Mibro 2.25 UST's. Light, roll super fast, clean out really well. I hated them the first time out, but have been in love ever since. Wear has not been excellent though. If I get 1.5 seasons out of them, I will be surprised.

    I've seen the geax Sturdy's and they look like a good tire as well.

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    WW vs. NN

    I used to run the WW 2.3/2.1 combo, but have switched to Nobby Nic 2.4/2.25 (snakeskin). They roll better, which might have as much to do with the lower weight as the tread design.
    As for a direct NorCal conditions comparo, I'd say the NN break loose a little earlier than the WW, but then hook up pretty well. The WW are hard to get to drift, but when they do it can be a little scary. I've heard people attribute this to the square knobs folding over.

    In sum: WW get the nod for rocky conditions, NN for everything else.
    (Note: this is the regular WW, not the LT, which I haven't tried but would like to.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie
    In sum: WW get the nod for rocky conditions, NN for everything else.
    (Note: this is the regular WW, not the LT, which I haven't tried but would like to.)
    Schwalbe seems to be a roll. I remeber using a set of Black Shark front and rear in a 24 hour race 4 years ago. I don't even remember where I found them. I liked 'em but they didn't last very long.

    How's the life on the NN's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orthorex

    How's the life on the NN's?
    so far so good.... but my terrain is quite "soft", so most tires wear slow........ I do ride to work often on pavement and they still look quite good

    I actually installed my older pair (6 months or so) of 2.25 NNs on a bike I built for a friend..they still looked new...

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfduke
    AM/FR- Rampage 2.25 rear 2.4 advantage front.

    XC- People will tell me I am a couple cans short of a sixpack, but I love my IRC Mibro 2.25 UST's. Light, roll super fast, clean out really well. I hated them the first time out, but have been in love ever since. Wear has not been excellent though. If I get 1.5 seasons out of them, I will be surprised.

    I've seen the geax Sturdy's and they look like a good tire as well.
    The Rampage is 2.35. Not the first time I've read "2.25" here on this tire.

    I was hoping to get a bit more input on the terrain from the OP. The other thing is he mentioned running 4.1's, so some of these tires will tax the narrow dimensions of the rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    The other thing is he mentioned running 4.1's, so some of these tires will tax the narrow dimensions of the rim.
    the tire will just take a rounder profile... I have run tires this size on Mavic X717s and they have worked quite alright.... (I run wider rims now though )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    The Rampage is 2.35. Not the first time I've read "2.25" here on this tire.
    Panaracer makes em special for Titus due to the size "limitations" of the motolite rear end...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    the tire will just take a rounder profile... I have run tires this size on Mavic X717s and they have worked quite alright.... (I run wider rims now though )
    Some rubber is more sensitive... Nevegals are known to be squirrelly on narrow rims.

    Rampages are more stable.

    Also, they're pretty sensitive to air pressure.... both regarding size and ride characteristics.
    They're a true 2.35"... but their casing is lower in height. Not in line with most "high volume" tyres nowadays. While a NN or Spesh tyre of comparable size is like 50-52mm of casing height, the Rampages are around 48-50mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Some rubber is more sensitive... Nevegals are known to be squirrelly on narrow rims.

    Rampages are more stable.

    Also, they're pretty sensitive to air pressure.... both regarding size and ride characteristics.
    They're a true 2.35"... but their casing is lower in height. Not in line with most "high volume" tyres nowadays. While a NN or Spesh tyre of comparable size is like 50-52mm of casing height, the Rampages are around 48-50mm.
    ok

    as always with tires, conditions/setup/preference determine the whole thing....

    for example, I remember that Shiggy prefers to run his tires in narrower rims for the rounder profile

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    I've been riding them hard for 3+ months, and so far so good; I'd say equivalent to the WTB offerings. The knobs on the rear are starting to show wear -- they're not as sharp as new -- but still have at good 50% life in them. They've been thrashed through some rocky stuff (a couple of times at Downieville & Tahoe) and no problems with side walls, torn knobs, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie
    I've been riding them hard for 3+ months, and so far so good; I'd say equivalent to the WTB offerings. The knobs on the rear are starting to show wear -- they're not as sharp as new -- but still have at good 50% life in them. They've been thrashed through some rocky stuff (a couple of times at Downieville & Tahoe) and no problems with side walls, torn knobs, etc.
    What tires are "them"?

    Also, what are some good WTB offerings? The reason I asked is that they're well-priced, but I remember the days of the Velociraptors and how slow they roll. Never took a WTB serious after that, despite the straightline traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    ok

    as always with tires, conditions/setup/preference determine the whole thing....

    for example, I remember that Shiggy prefers to run his tires in narrower rims for the rounder profile
    Forgot to mention... At 35-40psi, they give a true 2.35" (well, a 2.33" to be honest ). At my current pressure which is around 30-25psi they're more like a 2.25". May be my rim's bead, though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    What tires are "them"?

    Also, what are some good WTB offerings? The reason I asked is that they're well-priced, but I remember the days of the Velociraptors and how slow they roll. Never took a WTB serious after that, despite the straightline traction.
    The Motoraptor is not bad as a rear tyre. Grips like crazy and rolls reasonably well for such an aggro thread.

    However, it really stinks like a front. Seriously. I'd even say they're dangerous in wet and not reliable in dry.

    They're tough also. Very though.
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    JC.

    4.2's. They are a bit wider than the .1's I believe and certainly wider than my old Crossmax SL's.

    I live in Northern California, so most of the time I roll on loose over hard, or plain old hard pack. Rocks vary from some to a lot.

    The winter isn't realy an issue. The wet roots or rocks are ususally avoidable and most areas drain pretty well.

    Tahoe is the other area that I ride tons. Gobs of big loose rocks, baby heads and shale stuff. Leafy hard packed single track and DUST.

    I love Tahoe.


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    New rubber from Spesh... Looks very "Nobby Nic-ey" to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    New rubber from Spesh... Looks very "Nobby Nic-ey" to me...

    yeah.. but they have some Betty on them

    the wheels from that report also look interesting... first "spec branded" MTB wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    the wheels from that report also look interesting... first "spec branded" MTB wheels
    Bah!... System wheels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Bah!... System wheels...

    Nothing like calling your wheelbuilder and get exactly what you want.
    yeah.. but it's all made by DT (except rims apparently).. looks interesting to test (not to pay for )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    What tires are "them"?
    Nobby Nic: see above post

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Also, what are some good WTB offerings?
    I have the most time on the Weirwolfs: fast & grippy. The Motos grip like crazy but are uber slow. The Mutano 2.4 rolls fast but is pretty washy & tear-prone.

    Those are the ones I've tried. As for hearsay, people in this area also like the Mutano 2.24 (beefier than the 2.4 !?!) and the WW 2.55LT is gaining popularity for a high volume, drifty fast roller. This is for dry NorCal conditions: loose over hardpack, some rocks, loamy soil, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    yeah.. but it's all made by DT (except rims apparently)..
    That's my point... Hope ho' here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    That's my point... Hope ho' here...
    I have 2 sets of Hopes.. but I have no loyalty

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    We travel a lot with our bikes, but generally to dry areas - SW Colorado, Utah, Idaho... Conditions @ home are dry and hard and rocky.

    90% of my tire use is 2.35-2.7 DH'ish stuff, so the smaller tires last me a long time and I've not tried nearly as many as I have the big ones. But my girl runs DT 4.2 front / 4.1 rear, so she goes through smaller tires.

    Oky, 2 cents:

    Rear:
    Another vote for the Spec.Roll-X on the rear. Just a good tire!
    For tubelss we've also had great luck with the Intense System 2 2-Bliss on the rear.
    I ran the Geax Sturdy years ago. I personally found the knobs to be a bit squirrely on the smaller sizes.

    Front:
    My girl likes the Fat Albert up front - I'm neutral on the FA myself.
    She's now got an Intense CC 2.25 up front, and I'm gonna get one for me! This seems to be a very promising tire. FWIW, the Intense tires seal up w/ Stans exceptionally well, to both UST and standard rims.

    I swore by the Nevegal for years. They stick like glue, but the rolling resistance is just too much. I've also ripped the sidewalls on more than one, so had to go to the DH model which is just way too heavy.

    Hope this helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfduke

    XC- People will tell me I am a couple cans short of a sixpack, but I love my IRC Mibro 2.25 UST's. Light, roll super fast, clean out really well. I hated them the first time out, but have been in love ever since. Wear has not been excellent though. If I get 1.5 seasons out of them, I will be surprised.
    I agree with the mibro 2.25 for XC. I've been running them on my HH for 4-5 months and love 'em. They roll fast, corner great, are light and have held up well. The center tread is wearing down some but that just makes 'em roll faster, and it hasn't hurt climbing traction much either. The squarish shoulder knobs are still sticking the corners great on my dry hardpack to loose pack conditions. No sidewall tears eventhough I get into some sharp rocks and yet they feel supple. And they're cheap to boot. Kinda smallish (more like 2.1) so wouldn't run them on my 6.6.

    You're not riding enough, golfduke, if you get a season and a half out of any tire.
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    what bike again....riding conditions? etc....? these folks probably know this but my info is even more worthless than usual without knowing this.

    having said that, i am a pretty big fan of Schwalbe Big Bettys but they are over 900 grams so maybe not what you are looking for. Though keep in mind weight is only parameter that matters as you know; Bettys roll great....for me, in my conditions anyway.

    Also like Maxxis Advantage 2.4s....pretty darn big for weight, but girlier sidewalls for sure than something like Bettys but they are lighter, and corner very well.

    Have IRC Mibros on one bike and am actually pretty impressed indeed....running 2.25 front and 2.1 rear. Bought em cuz they cost as much as dirt from pricepoint (at the time) and have been very happy though as usual, depends on what YOU are looking for.

    Not a fan of the Resolutions on my other bike.......not great climbing traction for me....wont do them again, but lots of people like em. could be the bike and how i ride it....who knows.

    Kenda Cortez 2.4 are nice volume, relatively low weight, and roll fast. Like em a lot....for my conditions, might try 2.4 front and Karma outback next time on one bike.

    anyway.....who gives a crap what any of us say....aint no hard data, just a bunch of opinions from many a wanker (especially Whafe) that probably means crap to be honest.

    keep us posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollin'in'Zona
    She's now got an Intense CC 2.25 up front, and I'm gonna get one for me! This seems to be a very promising tire. FWIW, the Intense tires seal up w/ Stans exceptionally well, to both UST and standard rims.
    CC 2.25s are awesome..I only switched because I wanted to try even higher volume tires (though the 2.25s have great volume already)

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