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    So what bikes/products do I need to ride/checkout at Interbike?

    DSP Racing is sending me to Interbike as an Exhibitor Athlete/Guest. I have the entire day Monday to spend at the outdoor demo riding bikes. Titus isnt going to the show so checking out the new stuff they will be offering isnt an option.

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    Well, do you get to check out the latest from DSP?
    What has kept me from buying their coil shock for my EG has been the mixed reviews; some people absolutely dig them, others loathe them. I'm looking at getting an Avalanche shock for my EG in the not so distant future; I have had tremendous satisfaction with Craig's product. What can DSP do to sway me their way?
    I contacted DSP regarding a 7.5 by 2 for another bike which they had already advertised as being available, which they informed me was not available. They had issues with anything under an 8.5 by 2.5. So I get concerned about the tech skills they actually have. Made overseas, for a Canadian company; I get shaky knees regarding customer service.
    Anyway,... do you have the option of checking out their goods?
    Thank you Craig.
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    Honestly, the Avalanche will outperform the DSP, hands down. DSP's products are produced by Duroshox (huge oem supplier of automotive shocks)in Taiwan, its an inexpensive coil for the masses. However the Kronos springs are very high quality, almost worth purchasing the shock just for the spring. They arent produced for a canadian company, S4 just distributes them in NA. The shorter lengths are in prototype stages right now, I know a tester who has one on a Blur TRC and loves it (and he is a suspension snob). If you want CS, stick with AVY. That being said, S4 has massaged the internals of my DSP on my Delirium, its a pretty sweet shock.
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    I've been considering a 29er AM hardtail as a 2nd bike for training rides. I'd love to get a ride report on the Diamondback Mason and Trek Stache - those are the 2 I'm mainly considering now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    DSP Racing is sending me to Interbike as an Exhibitor Athlete/Guest. I have the entire day Monday to spend at the outdoor demo riding bikes. Titus isnt going to the show so checking out the new stuff they will be offering isnt an option.
    Yo Craig... u have any info whether internals of of the smaller shocks are different compared with the 8.5 x 2.5

    Im waiting to have one of the smaller size, a 7.875 x 2.25 to arrive for some testing on another bike. But any additional info bits would be good to get the bike setup and maybe to expect on the rides.

    Only thing I can tell from the diff in the older 8.5x2.5 and the new one on my EG is the rebound. Rebound tune range seems a lot narrower in the newer version. If there is any changes to the compression --its probably not affecting my weight range.

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    With the way you've been going back and forth from 29 to 26, try a 650b and let us know what you think. Something AM with 6+" of travel and big tires (2.3+)

    See if fox is already getting rid of the CTD junk.

    Find the schwable booth and ask them why they make their tires out of gold.

    Go to the specialized booth and ask them why they don't have a bike between the enduro and the demo anymore.

    Thanks! and have fun
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    Sweet

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    Everything 27.5 w/@ 155mm you can get you hands on...2.35-2.4 tires if possible
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    If fox is really getting rid of the 36 160 fork? please flip them off and tell to eat a d!ck

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    Go to the specialized booth and ask them why they don't have a bike between the enduro and the demo anymore.
    There's not much need IMO with the 180mm Enduro Evo, 170mm single crown Status, and 100mm Evo SX.

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    Check out the ~5" 29er full suspensions - split the difference between the Rockstar and EG: Yeti SB95 carbon, Intense Spider 29, etc. Preferably with carbon rims.

    I would also be interested to hear your thoughts on the Chilcotin/Scratch/Other 6" AM bikes vs. the EG.

    Bonus points for finding cockamamie road products at the indoor show which have already had their display samples broken.

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    Knolly insnt registered as an exhibitor so it looks like demoing a Chilcotin or new Delirium is out of the question. I bet Noel will be there with a prototype though. Specialized and Trek require you to be a dealer to demo their bikes, so anything they make is out of the question. Very interested in the 650B Carbine and Scott Genius line. Anvilden...not sure about the shorter shocks, I will find out though. Just had the worst training ride...went solo because it was last minute because it rained last night, 9 miles in the Tahoe Rim Trail I get a pinch flat, my spare tube presta valve breaks off after I pump it up. I try patching the old tube but the snakebites are too big, I try a 26" tube I have in my pack and because its so tight it pinches when I inflate the tire. I patch the pinch holes and get it to inflate and am able to ride a couple miles before the patches fail. Patch it again and make it another couple of miles back to a trailhead and the patches fail again. At this point I am out of patches and have 6 miles of road to make it back to my truck, two hours later I get back to the truck. ##@#!!!!!

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    I'd be curious to see what an EG rider thinks of the new 650b Norco's.

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    I'll have to do a search and destroy early monday on all the 650B's, monday afternoon and tuesday you usually only get to ride the leftovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJ View Post
    If fox is really getting rid of the 36 160 fork? please flip them off and tell to eat a d!ck
    Vengeance!

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    Hey craigstr, I'll be there too. If I bump in to you I'd like personally thank you for being a great Titus ambassador!

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    Thanks!

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    Hey craigstr, I'll be there too. If I bump in to you I'd like personally thank you for being a great Titus ambassador!
    You made my day! And after my ride yesterday I needed something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    I'll have to do a search and destroy early monday on all the 650B's, monday afternoon and tuesday you usually only get to ride the leftovers.
    DL31 rims!
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    You made my day! And after my ride yesterday I needed something like that.
    No problem. You've helped me out with my El Guapo build and you're one of the few Titus ambassadors that I see on here regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    DSP Racing is sending me to Interbike as an Exhibitor Athlete/Guest. I have the entire day Monday to spend at the outdoor demo riding bikes. Titus isnt going to the show so checking out the new stuff they will be offering isnt an option.
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    Ask the folks at X-Fusion for a follow up on that prototype 160mm USD fork

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    What's legal anymore? When is the USADA going to start coming after Red Bull & Monster Energy users?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    Vengeance!
    What weight springs did yours come with?

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    I'll bring my list and we'll see how many we can get to. PM sent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJ View Post
    What weight springs did yours come with?
    they were just labelled as light, medium and hard. I was sent with all 3...
    Default came in fork was med. other 2 still in their plastic packing.

    Mucking around this week-- just found that changing oil weight in damper unitcan make a big diff. My heavier friends mostly like a change to 10wt oil or something that look physically more viscous than stock.
    Me no like-- gonna change it back out to 7.5 or maybe even lower

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    So here is my short list

    I'm going to hook up with Krob on Monday and watch how the master evaluates bikes. In no particular order:
    SC Tallboy LTC
    Transition Bandit 29
    Knolly Endorphin (probably not available)
    Devinci Atlas 29
    Norco Range Killer B
    Norco Fluid 9
    Giant Trance X 29
    Felt Edict 9
    Rocky Mountain Altitude 650B
    Rocky Mountain Element 29
    Anything with XX1
    Anything new in the 180mm category
    Anything new in the 650B/29 category
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    I'm going to hook up with Krob on Monday and watch how the master evaluates bikes. In no particular order:

    Anything new in the 650B/29 category
    If you guys see the 2013 Norco Sight 650B-- lemme know what ya think. Thanks

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    Those norcos look like they have potential, seatstays look strong but chainstays= pinner


    yoke= weaksauce

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJ View Post
    Those norcos look like they have potential, seatstays look strong but chainstays= pinner


    yoke= weaksauce
    Not something Im looking to go hard pounding with... gotta start shopping and building.. Getting back to enduro races next season..

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    I'm going to hook up with Krob on Monday and watch how the master evaluates bikes. In no particular order:
    SC Tallboy LTC
    Transition Bandit 29
    Knolly Endorphin (probably not available)
    Devinci Atlas 29
    Norco Range Killer B
    Norco Fluid 9
    Giant Trance X 29
    Felt Edict 9
    Rocky Mountain Altitude 650B
    Rocky Mountain Element 29
    Anything with XX1
    Anything new in the 180mm category
    Anything new in the 650B/29 category
    Your list looks good, Craig. After reviewing the exhibitors list I see many of my choices may not be available (Transition Covert, Banshee, Morewood, Knolly, Canfield Bros. Ventana) so I'm totally up for some extra 29ers. Speaking of 29ers, we should check out the new Trigger 29er from Cannondale and the Yeti SB95 too. The only other 26ers I might try and get are the new S-works carbon Enduro (although the lines at Specialized are impossibly long) and the Pivot Firebird which deserves a retest because my unfavorable first impression does not jive with most people's.

    You may be shocked to find how unmasterly my evaluation techniques are. LOL. In fact, I'll admit that often I'm paying more attention to the trail than the bike (not that you can totally separate the two). Now where the art is, is in how to do Outdoor Demo right. Keep moving. No lunch. No oogling the hotties. No fondling shiny parts. It's all about the bikes. I'm a merciless task master but we'll get to ride a bunch of them.

    Looking forward to Monday.
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    No lunch!

    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Your list looks good, Craig. After reviewing the exhibitors list I see many of my choices may not be available (Transition Covert, Banshee, Morewood, Knolly, Canfield Bros. Ventana) so I'm totally up for some extra 29ers. Speaking of 29ers, we should check out the new Trigger 29er from Cannondale and the Yeti SB95 too. The only other 26ers I might try and get are the new S-works carbon Enduro (although the lines at Specialized are impossibly long) and the Pivot Firebird which deserves a retest because my unfavorable first impression does not jive with most people's.

    You may be shocked to find how unmasterly my evaluation techniques are. LOL. In fact, I'll admit that often I'm paying more attention to the trail than the bike (not that you can totally separate the two). Now where the art is, is in how to do Outdoor Demo right. Keep moving. No lunch. No oogling the hotties. No fondling shiny parts. It's all about the bikes. I'm a merciless task master but we'll get to ride a bunch of them.

    Looking forward to Monday.
    You might lose me for 30 minutes there. I usually hit up subway and keep it in a cooler in my car, take a bike down to the car, wolf down the sandwich and off I go. I'm surprised that Transition isnt in the show, I know they went to Eurobike which must have cost $$$$. Knolly doesnt surprise me, I know they are having a private show at the Venetian in a suite but I cant get Dusty Bottoms to return my emails for an invite. Somewhere I offended him and since I'm not he Knolly fanboy I once was, I guess I am out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anvil_den View Post
    they were just labelled as light, medium and hard. I was sent with all 3...
    Default came in fork was med. other 2 still in their plastic packing.

    Mucking around this week-- just found that changing oil weight in damper unitcan make a big diff. My heavier friends mostly like a change to 10wt oil or something that look physically more viscous than stock.
    Me no like-- gonna change it back out to 7.5 or maybe even lower
    Oh and some call a "poor mans revalve".. I find it makes a diff also, when you have the springs (have tried from the heavy stuff to like water). Add or removing HSR shims are a good way to keep the stock comp's isolated, when trying each end of viscosity spectrum

    I'm thinking the fox and x fusion spring dimensions may be compatible.. how awesome would it be if the two 36's weight increments just happened to be staggered from each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    You might lose me for 30 minutes there. I usually hit up subway and keep it in a cooler in my car, take a bike down to the car, wolf down the sandwich and off I go.
    Yeah, I do the same (I was only half serious about the "no lunch" comment). A couple gatorades and chocolate milks to keep me going but mostly just keep pounding all the free energy bars, nuggets, bloks, drinks, etc that everyone is handing out.... although mixing all the crap sometimes doesn't sit well.

    And I do want to look at one or two shiny bits: The Thomson adjustable seat post. Maybe take a GoPro Hero for a spin.
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