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    Bonking ... not feelin' well Sad day

    Went to ride my ftm carbon today & found a crack in the top tube near shock mount.I sent an email to On One I am not sure what they will do.The frame is less than a year old & no crash to cause failure.It felt like the carbon in this spot is to thin as I can push in this spot very easy! I hope One One will help me with this problem I love this bike.

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    No good

    shenanigans, pics or it hasn't happend.
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    Man that sucks. I wonder if it a real crack or just a surface line. Sometimes, with carbon frames, you get weird surface lines that are not real cracks, but can look like it. Post some pics and maybe we can help.

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    I'm new to this forum. I own and love my Titus bikes but if someone has a problem with there Titus u guys jump all over them. Where is the pics? What did u do wrong? Titus is having some quality problems with the new bikes. Hey terrible u need to change it to " fast with the mouth slow with the brain"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSA1 View Post
    I'm new to this forum. I own and love my Titus bikes but if someone has a problem with there Titus u guys jump all over them. Where is the pics? What did u do wrong? Titus is having some quality problems with the new bikes. Hey terrible u need to change it to " fast with the mouth slow with the brain"!
    Would not say he was being too aggressive and I really hope I did not come off like that. Carbon bikes are different. What looks like a crack may not actually be a real crack. They are kinda funny looking and I have seen these lines on both carbon road bikes and mountain bikes. Posting some pics would help people on the forum help the OP, which is why he posted, I guess.

    With that said, yes I think we all understand that Titus in its last year of existence (before the buy-out) had some issues...

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    Sorry Vespasianus my reply was not at u.

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    If your **** breaks, prove it. I know if I broke my 2500$ frame I'd be posting pics and asking if anyone else broke in the same spot I did.

    Oh wait I did that. Broken carbon enduro SL

    Once again, pics or it didn't happen.
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    pics

    Here are the pics of the crack
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    Pretty sure thats a real crack.

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    hu hu, yeah that's not just paint!
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    Looks like that bad boy got driven into a garage on a roof rack...you should PM Shiggy he can probably get you sorted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcrane01 View Post
    Here are the pics of the crack
    That is a bit of a crack I would say. Would be interesting to see what Titus says.

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    Have you contacted OnOne? They were very helpful with some rear stay issues I had on my 09 FTM. If you are the original owner that seems like a pretty obvious warranty issue.

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    Hey Terrible there are the pics you wanted! See this is what I was talking about. Pics are provided and someone post that it was driven into a garage! I,m waiting for the next post. They must be 500lb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSA1 View Post
    Hey Terrible there are the pics you wanted! See this is what I was talking about. Pics are provided and someone post that it was driven into a garage! I,m waiting for the next post. They must be 500lb?
    The original poster said this:

    "Went to ride my ftm carbon today & found a crack in the top tube near shock mount.I sent an email to On One I am not sure what they will do.The frame is less than a year old & no crash to cause failure.It felt like the carbon in this spot is to thin as I can push in this spot very easy! I hope One One will help me with this problem I love this bike."

    If you look at those pictures, it is not a small crack. I mean really, how could you miss that! It looks like someone hit the bike with a sledge hammer. The downtube looks like it has something as well. That type of compression damage generally occurs when running into a garage. Maybe I am wrong and the pictures are amplifying things, but this is why people are skeptical.

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    Contrary to popular belief, carbon fiber can be repaired:

    http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/

    http://www.roadrunnervelo.com/repairs.html

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    First I sit on the seat that's why I did not see the crack untill sitting in garage crack is on side of tube not the top.I carry it on the back of a truck supported by tires. The so called damage to downtube is dirt I do ride the bike & don't wash to look for cracks on a brand new bike every time I ride.You should also know I am 165lbs with gear.

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    They wont give you a replacement

    My 08 ML titanium frame cracked and OneOne pointed me to Sam Davis welding for repairs "at OnOne Cost" -

    They also offered me a new FTM carbon frame with rear shock for about $1000 ($850 for Aluminum)

    They'll work with you but it wont be what you want to hear

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    Of course it's impossible for the rest of us to know how this happened, but having seen several broken frames in my day I'd say that does not look like a photo of carbon frame that broke while "jra". I do hope that they can offer you a reasonable replacement option but I wouldn't expect a full on, no charge replacement....

    Good luck..

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    Just get it fixed. See my post above.

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    Gavin, for On One emailed me today that he sent pic's to titus in US waiting for them to respond. As for the JRA ? I have three titus bikes a racer x exogrid 2006 elguapo 2008 & this bike I ride them on same trails with no problems the elguapo is over kill for my riding styl but this bike has way less miles 500ish & failed at a spot that has a lot of load when braking if I ride in driveway & hit the brake crack opens up. I have done nothing wrong or different with this bike than my other bikes no other damage as others have said but just has a crack am I wrong to say this?Just stating a fact not saying titus sucks I love my other bikes & will for a very long time just looking for some consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcrane01 View Post
    Gavin, for On One emailed me today that he sent pic's to titus in US waiting for them to respond. As for the JRA ? I have three titus bikes a racer x exogrid 2006 elguapo 2008 & this bike I ride them on same trails with no problems the elguapo is over kill for my riding styl but this bike has way less miles 500ish & failed at a spot that has a lot of load when braking if I ride in driveway & hit the brake crack opens up. I have done nothing wrong or different with this bike than my other bikes no other damage as others have said but just has a crack am I wrong to say this?Just stating a fact not saying titus sucks I love my other bikes & will for a very long time just looking for some consideration.
    Hopefully the can help and it would really suck if this frame was just defective and they could not replace it. I wonder if it was improperly laid. If so, could they look at the whole frame and determine this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Hopefully the can help and it would really suck if this frame was just defective and they could not replace it. I wonder if it was improperly laid. If so, could they look at the whole frame and determine this?
    Thank you, I would love to send the frame & even the whole bike as is to titus to see what they think. Like I said before the carbon is real thin at the crack & can push in real easey but I don't know what it should feel like so can't say for sure maybe it's normal to be that thin just want a chance for experts to look and tell me what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Hopefully the can help and it would really suck if this frame was just defective and they could not replace it. I wonder if it was improperly laid. If so, could they look at the whole frame and determine this?
    Improperly laid.... HA!
    maybe it was just a l'il drunk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzyC View Post
    My 08 ML titanium frame cracked and OneOne pointed me to Sam Davis welding for repairs.
    Thought that guy was blind?





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    Did you hear back from Titus on this issue?

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    I have emailed Michael at titus several times in the last week trying to sort it out & will post when I get a final result.As of now he is looking into a front triangle for a fair price & I am waiting to see what he found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcrane01 View Post
    I have emailed Michael at titus several times in the last week trying to sort it out & will post when I get a final result.As of now he is looking into a front triangle for a fair price & I am waiting to see what he found.
    So you are going to have to pay for a new front triangle? Aren't you the original owner? I guess I do not understand why this is not a warranty replacement. I just picked up one of these from On-One and this makes me really nervous about owning a carbon frame.

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    Guy here in town picked up a Rockstar a few months back. Rear Triangle is broke now. Imagine that. So far Titus / On One has offered to sell him a rear triangle.... Keep in mind, this is what I was told.
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    Hmmmm, not looking so good.

    That said, that crack looks like it got crushed in some way. I'm no caboner expert, but that does not look like stress from riding a bike around. It looks like it got pinned between a wall and something, or something fell against it.

    I'd like to hear more details about that Rockstar that broke. Original owner or no? Crash, or just normal use? I'm wondering how Titus is dealing with pre OnOne purchases. I still have six months to go on my RacerX29er frame. I don't beat on it, but I have crashed pretty good on it a couple times with no apparent damage. So far, it's holding up great. I haven't even had to service the pivot bearings.

    Since the change, I'm wondering if Titus is becoming like some other boutique builders (that shall remain nameless, but we know who they are) where they weasel out of warranty issues, or if they are 'taking care' of people.
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    For bike's purchased after the buyout you should be covered by on one since they sold to you.I purchased it last year under titus & on one has a right to deny warranty but are trying to sort it out.As to all that think I did something wrong I did not there are no other marks on the frame no crush it did not get dropped nothing hit it I did not crash it the frame just has this crack.

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    Hi dcrane 01. I believe you. There is a lot of stress put on that area from the shock. I have seen a pivot mach 5 cut in two at the same spot. The new owners of Titus are trying to straighten all the problems the best they can. I was very happy with Michael over at Titus. Sorry it might cost a little but it can happen to any brand. I have had a trek and proflex break with in a month of riding( both had carbon swing arms). Good luck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truble911 View Post
    I guess I do not understand why this is not a warranty replacement.
    I have read similar stories from other brands. Frames are easy to abuse and break, and I don't think many companies have a "no questions asked" free replacement policy.
    I wouldn't expect a new bike if I accidentally ran mine over with a car, or it fell off a roof rack, etc. They try to discern manufacturing defects from extraordinary abuse, and sometimes that's difficult.

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    Look's like I will be going with an aluminum Front triangle. I wanted to stay with carbon but they are all out of large & Michael said the "alloy has some strength issues over the carbon for certain riding styles/weights." I'm not positive but it sound's like the carbon has some strength issues based on what he said.Also will my current rear end work as it is full carbon & the ally one is different from pictures I saw on Titus web sight?

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    I was told that the Ti and carbon share the same rear but the aluminum is different than both. Maybe they have something else in mind?
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    It will interesting to see if the rear/fronts can be mixed and matched. Given that titus had the Aluminum X at sea otter with a full carbon rear end, which was previously a frame that had the light rail rear end, perhaps so? Of course, that Aluminum frame could be different to the previous Aluminum X, but I doubt it.

    How's this relevant to the FTM? Though I am not sure, the Aluminum X and Aluminum FTM share the same Aluminum chainstay. And the Carbon X and Carbon FTM also appear to share the same carbon chainstay. My thinking is, if the carbon chainstay fits on the Aluminum X, it'll fit on the Aluminum FTM too.

    The other front-to-rear connection is at the swing link. The swing link on my Carbon X looks identical to the one on my old Aluminum X. Is the swinglink the same between the Carbon FTM and Aluminum FTM?

    Next time I go racing with my friend who has an Aluminum X, I'll get the calipers out to compare my carbon x's inner width of the swing arm at the main pivot. I have a few bolt kits on the way too, so I can check that the main pivot bolt is the same dia.

    Also, if the newer all-carbon rear ends fit the bikes with lite-rail rear ends, perhaps this will be an upgrade path (I reckon the all-carbon rear end has better lateral stiffness) for the older bikes should they suffer broken seat stays, and titus no longer makes the old stuff anymore. however, by the look of some of those more recent light rail seat stays, which are full carbon (including the dropouts), perhaps there is no advantage changing over. especially when there's now at least one report of a rockstar breaking a full carbon rear ends (dunno the details on this tho).

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    So the carbon rear end does not fit alloy frame bummer but Michael pulled the last large carbon frame out of stock & took it apart to sell me the front! This is what I really wanted so it work's out for me.I still had to pay for it but Michael & Titus did me right for the situation & I am happy.

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    That's good. Happy to hear it's working out. Hope it's the right color!
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    I'm glad to hear this is coming to a happy resolution for you. Michael has been really helpful to me with a couple of issues as well.

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    Update,after the new front triangle thing got handled I found a crack in my chain stay I think this was a rock hit so I take the blame for that one but last weekend I was lubing my chain & found a drive side seat stay was cracked just like the others we have seen I am not going to post pick's to show those who don't want to accept the fact that it did happen I did not crash & that it is a poor design it's not worth my trouble.I contacted Michael at titus & he told me that he has taken several seat stays off of other new frame set's to send to other customer's & he is out of them then offered to get it repaired but the new one's are 3 month's out I have a trip out west in thirty day's & am very upset at this & am thinking it's time for a change in bike brands.

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    Ask him for an El Guapo, it wont break.

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    Which is why I would never recommend the current FTM to any of my friends...
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